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4 out of 5 don't choose GM when buying new. I would expect all the niche specialty cars to be more appealing. Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Jaguar, Porsche, Ferrari, etc. You obviously didn't read the title of the data.
Stale products.
When Hyundai comes out with a 200hp/35mpg sedan, and then follows up with a 40mpg Elantra, that makes headlines and shifts consumer attitudes towards the brand.
Camry is at the end of its life cycle, in fact a new one arrives this fall, and spy shots are already popping up. Same for the Malibu, by the way (Chevy also scored below average). Same for Altima and Accord.
Sentra is also ancient. Corolla is old too.
The new Civic wasn't out yet.
And to show how the APEAL study is not a good indicator of sales, look no further than Subaru, 2nd from the bottom, with record sales for both years covered by the study (2010 and 2011 model years).
Also, a couple of poor selling cars won APEAL awards:
Pontiac Aztek (seriously)
Subaru Baja
Funniest post in this thread. You win a virtual trophy for that one.
Ford sold lots of assets, didn't they? It wasn't easy...
Looking at this a bit more, it's almost the kiss of death. Look how many slow-selling models won their segment:
Volt won for compacts, I guess BOTH buyers find them appealing.
GTI is outsold by Jetta 4 to 1, and that's before Jetta sales skyrocketed.
Z4 roadsters are rare as hen's teeth.
Lexus IS won its class, how are sales of that model? (I'm joking BTW)
Challenger won and gets CRUSHED by Mustang and Camaro in sales.
Suzuki Kizashi is an endangered species and it won.
Countryman won and must be the lowest volume compact crossover in the market. I bet Honda sells more beige CR-Vs on Tuesday than MINI sells all year.
Scion xB is selling poorly and won.
Armada sells poorly also.
Range Rover and Ridgeline - I'm not sure which has less market share in its segment, tough battle there!
Clearly, winning APEAL has little or nothing to do with sales.
Kiss of death, it seems.
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Footnote: "Style" is one of 5 categories, a subjective one, and remember, AZTEC WON
P.S. And the tsunami supposedly didn't affect Nissan, although they've lost places in the Top Ten as well.
Cruze is brand new, and so much improved over its predecessor that none of us should be surprised. The ECO model gets headlines just when gas prices are going up again - great timing.
How come Ford's foresight seems so much better than GM's or Chrysler's? Could it be the circumstances were entirely forseeable and GM and Chrysler just stuck their heads in the sand like the Dodo Bird?
By the way, who said running a successful business was EASY??? That's why they get paid the big bucks. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
That is what is so irritating, all the executives who were incompetent and completely failed at GM and Chrysler are still getting paid the big bucks even though they've proven themselves incompetent and incapable. They shouldn't be getting paid the big bucks any more, they should have gone the way of the Dodo bird, and died!
GM and Chrysler would have had trouble going that far without a full blown shareholder revolt. Bankruptcy was an easier way to deal with the owners.
Being sold after one drive from something from Chrysler is insane.
Well, the Charger is so unreliable that Vegas has put the risk vs. reward margins favoring a bet on running, evading, and resisting arrest if you are ever chased by a cop in a Charger in the driver's favor!
Chances are, the cop will have a breakdown trying to chase you down, and you'll get away scott free!
Remember, they sold Volvo to Tata, Jaguar to Prodrive, and Land Rover to who-knows-who, plus a chunk of Mazda.
I think you are giving Ford WAY too much credit.
I'm sure the execs lost enough money (on paper).
GM sold Hummer to who?
GM sold Pontiac to who?
Gm sold SAAB to who?
Something tells me Ford got a better deal on their 4 sales you mentioned than GM did on the four I've mentioned above!
Your giving GM WAY too much credit.
BTW, you know what matches their market share? The decline in their stock price since going public after BANKRUPTCY. 20% decline.
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OW
Ford took the HIGH ROAD. GM, the usual. :lemon:
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OW
Exaggerate much?
I'd take that bet, and I'm not even a Chrysler buff.
Don't look now, but get ready for both to drop in the top sales ranking in July.
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OW
Those divisions were shuttered, that's different. They were all domestic, internal.
I'm not giving GM *ANY* credit. I'm just not blaming them for the credit crisis that forced Ford to liquidate international assets left and right.
It says little or nothing.
Pontiac Aztek won its class in APEAL. How well did that model do?
It's a poor measure of future sales. Very, very poor.
Also, before you quote statistics like that, what is their margin of error? Chevy as a brand was very close to the industry average. Were any models significantly below average once you account for the margin of error? I didn't see, so I'm asking...
I know Saab was basically a GM domesticated by GM over the years, but still a foreign car company. Hummer really wasn't internalized much either.
What about Opel, chinese Buick, couldn't they have sold those?
They are hardly doing "just fine" in this area.
Just another metric to rate your next purchase based on how other owners rated the satisfaction of the brands and models.
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OW
In keeping with its sports-car credentials, the larger car, whose 3.0-liter six-cylinder gasoline engine and electric motor produce a combined 349 horsepower and 406 pound-feet of torque, will sprint from 0-60 in less than 4.6 seconds. Top speed is electronically governed to 155 mph. But the car also returns a remarkable 78 mpg and is capable of driving up to 22 miles in pure electric mode.
Volt/Shmolt!
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OW
Point is noone was immune. How ironic is it that English brands like Jaguar and Land Rover are now Indian-owned? I have friends from south asia who get more than a little kick out of that.
Ford took a hit, too. It's good that they were able to avoid bankruptcy, so maybe the hit was "less bad".
New models like the Volt won their category.
Spark hasn't arrived. Nor had the new Malibu.
Camaro made the list.
OK, the Impala did not, be I think none of us are surprised about that. In fact that model probably dragged down Chevy's average a lot.
HHR made the list, I'm surprised the Equinox didn't.
Avalanche did for pickups, too, and that's probably GM's slowest selling pickup. I'm telling ya, APEAL != sales.
Cheap affordable cars that u bought because you couldn't afford anything else or you thought looked good in which u regret your decision and end up dumping that vehicle at a loss. Yup pretty much sums up Hyundai....those vehicles may as well have a gold made in china sticker on the bottom of them.
I mean my Kia was crap and i hated it but my Impala was crap too but i absolutely loved it. I dunno why you hate on GM so much when your so clearly infatuated with them.
You get what you pay for hence why there are hardly any Hyundai fanboys on here, I mean after you finally buy a Hyundai you will be begging me and Lemko for a spot on our GM bandwagon. I don't even know what you drive but i am 90% sure u don't own a Hyundai or Kia because you wouldn't hold them in such high regard if u actually owned 1.
My brother recently went through a divorce. They had two vehicles: a 2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport and a 2005 Hyundai Sonata. He wisely chose the older vehicle.
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OW
Do get back to us after 6 months and then after a year with your '11 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I know that after seeing them all over Kellogg, ID, home of Dave Smith Motors, the world's top-selling Chrysler dealer, I must say the new Grand Cherokee is one beautiful SUV. It has me looking. And the new SRTwhatever Dodge Charger looks better now that it has more of the Mitsubishi new world order EVO gaping maw up in your...I...I mean it's grille. :shades: Was your Grand Cherokee in the range of $45,000 might I be so bold as to ask you, iwant12?
Anytime I want to jump ship and start selling automobiles I've got the chance of a lifetime down the hill at Dave Smith Motors. Must say I'm tempted...do the salesmen get free Dodge Challenger keychains?
I'll take a black Dodge Challenger t-shirt with an orange 2011 Dodge Challenger with two silver racing stripes down its beautiful lines, gentlemen. Chrysler is wallowing in it's newly-found emergence of swagger while Kia and big brother Hyundai are as thrifty as ever, forging straight ahead with smart engineering and well-thought out game plan. It's gonna take an ocean of calomine lotion to stop HyunKia, domestic car lovers.
I can honestly promise you that. Right, circlew?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
You honestly can! :shades:
Unless their union stops them dead in their tracks, that is!
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OW
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OW
And, I would regard GM as ALMOST being the equivalent of the bankrupted parent company of Henry J of the 50's, Kaiser. Who knows but that Kaiser, if given same treatment by nanny state U.S. of today, back then, and bailed out, that it would have prospered.
I've had 21 vehicles in 35 years of driving, many makes and types, most of them bought new.
I would've never considered a previous model Jeep, unless it was a Wrangler to play with on the weekends.
As far as reliability, I'll dump it for something else if it starts giving me problems. Wouldn't be the first time . . .
I did drive the new Explorer. I really wanted to like this car and was considering it (though it's a 7 seater). It screamed FWD in a big way, even before I left the parking lot. Sorry, no deal.
Now they do have the Overland Summit model, and I believe that model is 46K with the 4x4.
So far, I'm loving my Jeep. We're doing a roadtrip to Utah, AZ, NM in Sept, I'll report on that when we get back.
My wife is starting to get the new car fever too. I'm ever so slowly working her towards a Camaro SS.
Your truck is gorgeous! :shades:
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OW
The hybrid model uses different wheels as well, a 5-spoke design that makes me think of flattened-out flower petals.
The '03 Grand Am's actually not a bad looking car, if you get one of the lower-end models without all the ribs & wings. I hated the interior though. I thought the Olds version, the Alero, was pretty nice, though. Had one for a rental once, and I liked it alot.
Wow an Optima optioned out to 30k fintail :surprise: some people just have to much money to throw away
I actually don't have a beef with the Optima, compared to the lack of style of previous Hyunkia models. The grille is kind of odd, but the overall car is inoffensive and fairly sleek. The direct injection and turbo technology is also interesting -I think it is a suitable Camry alternative anyway. But I too don't see one in my garage anytime soon.
But GM fell the equivalent of the Empire state building compared to Korea's ant hill!
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OW
And look at Kia now.