Thanks for that info...I only need light towing, like a trailer to take my lawn mower to John Deere for service, as I have a Ram 1500 with tow pakge to do heavy towing, like a boat, but I do not have a boat...
I want (or, past tense, wanted) the Explorer (or one of the others I mentioned) for 4 people, occasionally 5-6, and, when no people, cargo...the Expy seemed to be the perfect size, or maybe Veracruz/Santa Fe, but Expy MPG is horrible...
Nice ride, decent handling (IRS will help), decnt mpg would be nice...
I realize this is silly, but the side-view photos of the Acadia make it look small in the back because there seems to be so "little" space between the back doors and the rear gate...maybe the design is an optical illusion, whereas the Expy with straight lines seems to have the illusion of more space...
I guess what I may really be trying to compare is the space of the Expy behind the second row of seats to the same parameter on the Acadia...
Also, the Expy sits up high so you can see over cars...the image of the Acadia makes it seem, to me, like you are just a little higher than a passenger car, which is like the Pacifica...I want to sit higher than the Pacifica, as high as the Expy...does the Acadia offer that, or does it sit low like the Pacifica???
And, will the tork on the Acadia accelerate it like the V8 does on the Expy???...the HP is almost the same, but I do not have tork figure for acceleration from a stop...
As far as off-road, I consider pulling off the street and onto my paved driveway as "going off road"...:):):)...or, maybe, parking on the shoulder of the road, on gravel, is my idea of "off road abuse"...
0-60 times are probably going to be in the mid to high 8's like the Explorer. The Veracruz and the CX-9 will probably be a bit faster because of a lower curb weight, but they are a bit smaller too. The MDX will be even faster, but it's in a whole different price league.
Ground clearance is about the same as the Explorer (a little more than 2 inches higher than the Pacifica). The Pacifica has the lowest ground clearance of all the models mentioned.
The Acadia is probably best in class right now for room behind the 3rd row at around 19 cu. ft. The CX-9 is second at 17 cu. ft. In both, it is a fairly tall, slim space though.
The Tahoe is a beast with very poor 3rd row room. The 3rd row does not stow into the floor either. I would not consider it in the same class. The Freestyle however is a good addition to the list. The CVT transmission will soon become an orphan though.
The CVT transmission will soon become an orphan though
I don't mind the CVT, it has wonderful smoothness, especially in stop/start city driving that we do. Also it is never in the "wrong" gear like autos can be so it responds pretty instantly to "gear" demand. That said, on the highway however, I would much prefer a quality 6 speed with paddle control - I miss my manual shifting...
Now, I know these GM siblings do not have paddle control (after all why would you want one in a car this size - its not sporty..) but I would still like manual shifting control. For hills and such like it is nice to be able to select a gear and let it sit there with engine braking on long down hills. I do not recall reading about it so do these cars have manual shifting on the auto gate?
EDIT: I can answer my own question, Yes these cars do have the manual mode on the transmission. The +/- buttons are built into the shift knob. Not the most intuitive place for it, but at least they have it.
Well, the last I looked a base Yukon/Tahoe MSRP was at least $35K. Acadia starts at just less than $30K MSRP. Not sure about the comparison when loaded up since the Outlook pricing is just out and I have not seen the Acadia pricing yet. Someone noted that a fully loaded Outlook was about $42K. Just went to gmbuypower.com and built up a 2wd Yukon SLT with Entertainment package, NAV package, upgraded radio, NOT $1700 wheel package and came up to $46K+.
Main differences would be Acadia/Outlook 25 Hwy MPG vs 20 Hwy MPG Tahoe. Towing will be less on the Acadia/Outlook, cargo might be a little less.
IMHO the Acadia might be a little easier to handle and garage. 7 passenger in a little more managable package, but not as cramped as Commander, Explorer, etc. BUT if you need the extra bulk of a Yukon/Tahoe, get it instead.
I'm not saying that it's not a good transmission. It's just that the max horsepower it can handle is 258hp. That is why Ford is dropping soon for their in-house 6-speed automatic. It's cheaper for them to build. Since not too many vehicles have used it, it may become hard to find parts or a replacement. I know the Ford 500 drops it completely next year.
Why not get a Lambda? I'm not sure as to why some people think a Yukon and these are similarly priced. To get the features they offer on the Lambdas, you'd have to get the Denali, which starts at 48K. Load it up and you're looking at another 7K in options bringing you to a grand total of 55K. However, this does have a 380 hp and 417 torque. Then again, you get 13/19 mpg. The Acadia/Outlook seem like a pretty good deal to me, considering that you get the same level of luxury and features with more passenger and cargo room for 13K less. You could opt for a Yukon Denali XL for only 2K more though, but then you're looking at 57K, and 220 inches in length. Yeah, that'll be easy to park.
You really cant complain about the pricing of the Lamdas when you consider that the Tahoe/Yukon will run about $50k fully loaded. When you think about it $42k fully loaded isnt really that bad. That is the base price for SUVs like the MDX and ML350.
If all else fails, GM will probably stick some cash back on these. I saw $10,000 off MSRP on the last of the 2006 Yukon XLs last week...
Really doubt it for quite awhile. Hardly any GM vehicles have much cash back today. The trucks you are referring to are not only last years model but the last generation trucks. Who wants to by old stuff? Yo have to give them away. No more big discounts at GM except for cases where needed like the big, old trucks.
No one gets 20mpg hwy out of a Tahoe, that 25mpg Acadia figure is probably erroneous too. The 2006 Tahoe states(epa 14/18)on a 2wd 4.8 and smaller 5.3 V8s and won't/don't show their mpgs on the larger V8s in the Auto Consumer Guide. When tested in normal mixed driving conditions, it was 12.2mpg in a 4x4 test unit. So, in mixed driving in a 2wd would be 14mpg at the 'very' best. And a new vvt or a new 6 speed trans won't have much effect...a mile mpg at most.
Lets not misrepresent these guzzeling beasts or accidentally send some poor ususpecting novice(who just found the forum) in to a dealership thinking they are going to buy an Outlook and get the 17/25mpg with a 21mpg mixed(50/50) driving. Please, lets get real. I still want a Lambda though....after waiting on ACGs test results/report 1st.
Tahoe- 202 inches. For cargo space I agree the lambda's are a good choice as they have 10 more cu. feet than Tahoe. And Acceleration should be 0-60 in mid to high 7's. I don't think Freestyle has anything to campare to that. Ford really flopped there. I mean little engine, not great styling, and the most station wagon crossover on the market. But if you need to haul 6 people and there stuff for a weekend getaway, you can do it comfortably in all three rows (again, not as good as lamdas, but if you need something tomorrow...) What's the pricing on the Saturn Outlook? Should have come Out yesterday.
Why not? They all have their own identity. And It's too expensive for Gm to give everyone there own SUV. They appeal to diff. buyers. And Gm needs to make the most possible dollar amount off one vehicle. Three's not too bad. What about the minivans (4) and every ford product on the market?
Not to go to far away from the subject but all makes do it. Toyota has ES and Camry for about 600,000 units/year. GM sells about 700,000 Impala/LaCrosse/Grand Prix W cars / year. GM also sells the Epsilon midsize malibu/Aura/G6 for a whole bunch more volume. In fact they probably do not need all those models in the midsize market (hint Impala/GP are getting bigger and going RWD) sincd they are so close together do steal sales form each other. Same difference. Honda has TL and Accord.
Saw the price of the Saturn. Shocked! My topped at 34280 (wit 19's, DVD captains sunroof and touring, and sound system) No Me Gusta! Now I need to see Acadia pricing! Someone please getme a link to Acadia pricing. Hurry! tHis could mean I'll be getting MDX, or Audi Q7 (on sale). 34280- that's not even loaded. pacifica for 1 grand less loaded. I really like that.
Saw the price of the Saturn. Shocked! My topped at 34280 (wit 19's, DVD captains sunroof and touring, and sound system) No Me Gusta! Now I need to see Acadia pricing! Someone please getme a link to Acadia pricing. Hurry! tHis could mean I'll be getting MDX, or Audi Q7 (on sale). 34280- that's not even loaded.
Now I am really confused. I priced out a Q7 and they START at $40K!!! I added leather and a few other options and I was up to $44K on the base version.
Acura is same story. Starts at $40K and gets up to $50k.
Perhaps I do not understand your language? It also looks like the Lamdas have a bunch more room on the inside and can fit 8 if desired.
The Acadia is not priced too much above a fully optioned out CX-9 which can get to nearly $41k with all the little options like all-weather floor mats, wheel locks, etc.
In no way, shape, or form is the Acadia hitting the high 7's in 0-60. It will be lucky to hit the mid-8's. 275hp is pretty good, but with only 251 lb. ft. of torque and a 4700+lb. curb weight for FWD, 275hp isn't quite so much any more. Also, to get gas mileage up, this thing is geared as a highway cruiser. I don't see a need for any of these to be fast or anything, just to handle a decent curve with too much lean.
I am so shocked, I thought it would cost only like $38,000. I will still buy but I am upset that it cost so much. Maybe I can bargain and get $3-$4k off the price. I will still buy this vehicle over all vehicles mentioned here. It's just got so much room.
Depends on how you drive. I have a '00 Trooper 2wd. My comute is about half highway, half mild city streets. I get around 17-18 long term average. Checking the specs it is rated 15 city, 19 Hwy, so I'm getting close to that. A few tanks less than 17, some a little over 18. Hwy trips run between 17 & 18 usually. It is not geared for highway driving, I don't remember exactly but I'm thinking 4.11 or higher rear end. 4 speed auto. Yea, 25 hwy might be a stretch, but close to that would be in reach for some folks, not others.
One vehicle the Acadia will replace is the Envoy XL. Bought a pretty well loaded 2wd SLT in May '04. List was almost $40K at that time. Leaving off the $1700 19" wheels and the $2000 nav package would make a difference. Pricing one SLT with 4SA package and adding to that goes up to around $33.6K invoice. One with the 4SB package, sunroof, power everything, leaving off the expensive wheels and NAV is only a little over $35K invoice. Similar to the Envoy XL. It was around that and at the time had $5000 or $5500 rebate (closer to $31K net with rebates).
Tahoe- 202 inches. For cargo space I agree the lambda's are a good choice as they have 10 more cu. feet than Tahoe. And Acceleration should be 0-60 in mid to high 7's. I don't think Freestyle has anything to campare to that. Ford really flopped there. I mean little engine, not great styling, and the most station wagon crossover on the market. But if you need to haul 6 people and there stuff for a weekend getaway, you can do it comfortably in all three rows (again, not as good as lamdas, but if you need something tomorrow...) What's the pricing on the Saturn Outlook? Should have come Out yesterday.
Just to add comparison of the Freestyle to the Lamba trio, yes some might say the engine is weak, but to me it has always been adequate for the task in hand (Its accelerates faster than my Audi A4..though not a nice sounding..) but the important thing to consider is the gas consumption as there is lots of talk about that here. Our Freestyle lives mostly in the city so it is definitely at the city end of the EPA numbers. EPA for our AWD car is 19/24. Our trip computer is 18.3MPG (for about 90% city driving) but on the highway when I reset the trip it records around 27mpg. I think that is pretty decent for the size (200.1x68.2x74.9 lxhxw) and weight (4112lbs) of the car.
So the fact that they estimate 17/24 for the Acadia sounds pretty good to me as the car is heavier (4722lbs), larger (201.1x72.8x78.9 lxhxw) and has a larger engine (3.6l). The car looks fairly aerodynamic so I seen no reason to question the 24mpg on the highway. I would not bet money that it would get 17 in the city. We are easy on the driving of our Freestyle but we do not see the EPA 19 figure, so I would guess that real world city for the Acadia would be about 16mpg.
We'll know for sure in about a month when they start to hit the dealer lots...
I would not bet money that it would get 17 in the city. I would. This is such a real world number. consider I have friends that get 16 on Envoy XL in the City. Freestyle is not crossover to me. 5 in. ground clearance. Cars have better. I do think lamdas definitely could swing high sevens in 0-60 (especially if Enclave get's engine upgrade). Odessey get's in the eights with 244 hp (though weighs 200-300 less. Same for Pilot.
Built My Acadia (4x2). about 35,200 with Dvd sunrof and 19 inch rims. But I can haggle! Slt with standard captains chairs. Sweet!! I don't care what anyone says! Captains chairs are the better than anything else. (why I wouldn't get MDX ). And third row seats 8 which is practicle like a minivan (which I would never touch). nice going, Gm. I knew they would be smart and make some more stuff standard. though, Captains chairs are how you know it's a family SUV. only midsize SUV to have this feature is EXplorer, becuase midsize is built for two rows. for captains chairs you usually must have third row.
General Motors today announced pricing on its 2007 Saturn Outlook crossover. Manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) for new eight-passenger crossover vehicle starts at $27,990 for the front-wheel drive Outlook XE and $29,990 for the all-wheel drive XE model. The uplevel Outlook XR will carry an MSRP of $30,290 for front-wheel drive and $32,290 for all-wheel drive models.
Fuel economy numbers for the Outlook were also announced, with front-wheel-drive models rated at 18 mpg city/26 mpg highway by the EPA, and all-wheel-drive models rated at 17 mpg city/24 mpg highway.
With captians chairs in 2nd row only carries 7 passengers!
SO? THinking about pricing of honda Pilot. Now I know saturn really messed up! Fully loaded honda pilot 4x4 comes in at 35- and that's with every thing. Now ofcourse you have to consider what you get with saturn, but, I might be willing to sacrifice alittle third row space and 30 cubes for 7 grand. Then again, when you spend about a grand more for saturn, you don't quite get everything, but comparably equipped. And No one get's a fully loaded Pilot. They step up a go Acura. To this day I've never seen a Pilot with Navigtion on the street.
Same deal as the 'base' Acadia...no roof rails/dual exhaust (which I don't require)/nor fog lights? And to get those, do we have to aquire them in a package that makes us purchase other things that we don't want or need.
Albrook, you really don't want a Pilot(though sure it drives well). Half the time I see one go by, I forget its an SUV and almost mistake it for a mini van...and remind myself, oh yes thats the Pilot(an SUV). And seating for 7 or 8 Adults makes alot more sense than the Pilot's 5 adult seater + only seating for 3 toddlers in the back row.
I really don't see you buying 'Ugly'. Now, I can buy Ugly if I have no other real choice. And now I have Ugly and sick of Ugly and looking to get un-Ugly because I've been Ugly for 10 years now and would not spend Pilot kind of $ for Ugly again. So, continue to look before you leap...Good Luck!
THinking about pricing of honda Pilot. Now I know saturn really messed up! Fully loaded honda pilot 4x4 comes in at 35- and that's with every thing.
Once you add the options that are already available on the GMC. You end up with a $37.5K Pilot and a $39.3K Acadia (It actually subtracts $500 for 8 passenger seating). For all that extra room, it's not too bad, and you actually get an attractive vehicle too. On top of that, the Saturn is a bit cheaper. A CX-9 with those options plus HID headlights, 20" wheels, and premium Bose stereo is $39.4k (although I am a little disappointed w/ 16/22mpg listed for the AWD on KBB).
General Motors today announced pricing on its 2007 Saturn Outlook crossover. Manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) for new eight-passenger crossover vehicle starts at $27,990 for the front-wheel drive Outlook XE and $29,990 for the all-wheel drive XE model. The uplevel Outlook XR will carry an MSRP of $30,290 for front-wheel drive and $32,290 for all-wheel drive models.
Well I am getting the Acadia fully loaded except for the stupid things like bigger rims. I am getting the nav, the hud, power lift gate, etc and that pushes the price to over $40k. Again I will try to play hardball to get the price down.
I am not buying the vehicle until the next model year but I was considering getting a Denali version but thats now not a option for me . Don't matter all I would get is a black Acadia with a V8 neither which I need.
Oh don't worry. I'm not crazy. Pilot's got some very very good perks (though I really can't think of any right now!!! ) I don't think I could mistake it for a minivan, but it is not good looking to me! Soon I will get my Acadia Slt (Black?) with DVD and sunroof (maybe XM). I'll think about some aftermarket 20's but there's no way i'll get them factory installed! THis is too good a package to compare with Pilot. And I'm so glad they made packages simple and not too expensive. They didn't go Yukon and SLT a/b sl,Sle(you get the point) I like that. Soon I'll call a dealer for release dates.
Base Vehicle Prices (includes destination freight charges) Xe Xr Base MSRP - 3.6L DOHC 6-cylinder / 6-speed automatic front wheel drive $27,990 $30,290 Base MSRP - 3.6L DOHC 6-cylinder / 6-speed automatic all wheel drive $29,990 $32,290 oPtion Packages Preferred: Six-way power driver ’s seat and roof rails $505 std Convenience (XE): remote vehicle st art, 115-volt outlet and heated windshield washer fluid $450 — Convenience (XR): rear parking assist, power lift-gate, remote vehicle st art, 115-volt outlet and heated windshield washer fluid — $1045 Advanced Audio: six disc, in-dash CD/MP3 player with 10 speakers, plus subwoofer and rear seat audio controls (XE includes dual zone auto HVAC: Std on XR models ) $880 $805 Premium Trim: leather appointed first and second row seat heated front seats — $1,275 Enhanced Convenience: driver ’s seat memor y, power folding outside rear view mirror with memor y, four- way power passenger seat with power lumbar adjustment, driver express-up, passenger express-down power windows (requires Convenience and Premium Trim packages) — $690 Touring: 19-inch polished aluminum wheels, P255/60/R19 touring tires, chrome exhaust tips — $895 Trailering: Heavy dut y engine cooling system, 4500-pound trailer capacit y, trailer hitch and harness hook-up $425 $425 outlook oPtion equiPment Power sunroof with rear glass and power shade $1,300 $1,300 DVD entert ainment system (requires Advanced Audio Package) $1,295 $1,295 XM Satellite Radio (includes three months of ser vice) $199 $199 Navigation system (requires Advanced Audio Package) — $2,145 Second row capt ain’s chairs with Smart Slide (requires Premium Trim Package) — $495 High intensit y discharge headlamps — $500 Engine block heater $50 $50 std = st andard — = not available Premium Paint Red Jewel Tint Coat $395 $395 White Diamond Tri-coat — $745 1. All prices are Manufacturer ’s Suggested Retail Prices and do not include taxes, title, license, retailer fees or optional equipment. Destination freight charges included. Each retail facility is responsible for setting its own selling price. 2. Available in the 48 contiguous United States. Required $12.95 monthly subscription sold separately. All fees and programming subject to change. Subscription subject to customer agreement. For more information, visit gm.xmradio.com.
Thanx for the update...any thing on what it will cost to get roof rails on a base unit or fog lights, as it was mentioned that these 2 items are not included on the base Acadia...and presume same for the Outlook?
The Santa Fe is a car based SUV, not body on frame. My 2000 Dodge Intrepid is rated at 2000lbs towing. With the weight of the actual vehicle plus a trailer, the Acadia needs the transmission cooler to make sure you don't damage anything. With that $450 addition, it'll tow 4500lbs.
A vehicle being unibody does not necessarily take away from the vehicle's ability to tow. I'm sure the body could handle much more stress than 4500lbs, but the suspension and the transmission are bound to be the weak points. It's geared for hauling people, not a big trailer.
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I want (or, past tense, wanted) the Explorer (or one of the others I mentioned) for 4 people, occasionally 5-6, and, when no people, cargo...the Expy seemed to be the perfect size, or maybe Veracruz/Santa Fe, but Expy MPG is horrible...
Nice ride, decent handling (IRS will help), decnt mpg would be nice...
I realize this is silly, but the side-view photos of the Acadia make it look small in the back because there seems to be so "little" space between the back doors and the rear gate...maybe the design is an optical illusion, whereas the Expy with straight lines seems to have the illusion of more space...
I guess what I may really be trying to compare is the space of the Expy behind the second row of seats to the same parameter on the Acadia...
Also, the Expy sits up high so you can see over cars...the image of the Acadia makes it seem, to me, like you are just a little higher than a passenger car, which is like the Pacifica...I want to sit higher than the Pacifica, as high as the Expy...does the Acadia offer that, or does it sit low like the Pacifica???
And, will the tork on the Acadia accelerate it like the V8 does on the Expy???...the HP is almost the same, but I do not have tork figure for acceleration from a stop...
As far as off-road, I consider pulling off the street and onto my paved driveway as "going off road"...:):):)...or, maybe, parking on the shoulder of the road, on gravel, is my idea of "off road abuse"...
Length......201......198.8......193.3......184.1....190.7..... 199.8---190.7-------188
Height......72.8......76.7.......72.8.......67.9.....65.9..... 68.1-----68.9--------70.1
Width.......78.9......78.8.......73.7.......74.4.....78.5....--76.2-----77.6----- ----- 77.5
Ground clearance is about the same as the Explorer (a little more than 2 inches higher than the Pacifica). The Pacifica has the lowest ground clearance of all the models mentioned.
The Acadia is probably best in class right now for room behind the 3rd row at around 19 cu. ft. The CX-9 is second at 17 cu. ft. In both, it is a fairly tall, slim space though.
..........Acadia.....Tahoe.....FreeStyle
Length......201......198.8.....199.8
Height......72.8......76.7.....65.9
Width.......78.9......78.8.....74.40
I don't mind the CVT, it has wonderful smoothness, especially in stop/start city driving that we do. Also it is never in the "wrong" gear like autos can be so it responds pretty instantly to "gear" demand. That said, on the highway however, I would much prefer a quality 6 speed with paddle control - I miss my manual shifting...
Now, I know these GM siblings do not have paddle control (after all why would you want one in a car this size - its not sporty..) but I would still like manual shifting control. For hills and such like it is nice to be able to select a gear and let it sit there with engine braking on long down hills. I do not recall reading about it so do these cars have manual shifting on the auto gate?
EDIT: I can answer my own question, Yes these cars do have the manual mode on the transmission. The +/- buttons are built into the shift knob. Not the most intuitive place for it, but at least they have it.
just go to build your own...year, make, model, ect...
MSRP for a loaded Acadia is over $42K.
WOW.
Main differences would be Acadia/Outlook 25 Hwy MPG vs 20 Hwy MPG Tahoe. Towing will be less on the Acadia/Outlook, cargo might be a little less.
IMHO the Acadia might be a little easier to handle and garage. 7 passenger in a little more managable package, but not as cramped as Commander, Explorer, etc. BUT if you need the extra bulk of a Yukon/Tahoe, get it instead.
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I'm not sure as to why some people think a Yukon and these are similarly priced. To get the features they offer on the Lambdas, you'd have to get the Denali, which starts at 48K. Load it up and you're looking at another 7K in options bringing you to a grand total of 55K. However, this does have a 380 hp and 417 torque. Then again, you get 13/19 mpg. The Acadia/Outlook seem like a pretty good deal to me, considering that you get the same level of luxury and features with more passenger and cargo room for 13K less. You could opt for a Yukon Denali XL for only 2K more though, but then you're looking at 57K, and 220 inches in length. Yeah, that'll be easy to park.
Similarly, VW dealers give up to $11,000 cash back to sell the remaining Touaregs at the end of the year.
Really doubt it for quite awhile. Hardly any GM vehicles have much cash back today. The trucks you are referring to are not only last years model but the last generation trucks. Who wants to by old stuff? Yo have to give them away. No more big discounts at GM except for cases where needed like the big, old trucks.
would be 14mpg at the 'very' best. And a new vvt or a new 6 speed trans won't have much effect...a mile mpg at most.
Lets not misrepresent these guzzeling beasts or accidentally
send some poor ususpecting novice(who just found the forum) in to a dealership thinking they are going to buy an Outlook and get the 17/25mpg with a 21mpg mixed(50/50) driving. Please, lets get real. I still want a Lambda though....after waiting on ACGs test results/report 1st.
You can load your own option at like below
http://www.bridgeportautogroup.com/build_car.shtml
Now I am really confused. I priced out a Q7 and they START at $40K!!! I added leather and a few other options and I was up to $44K on the base version.
Acura is same story. Starts at $40K and gets up to $50k.
Perhaps I do not understand your language? It also looks like the Lamdas have a bunch more room on the inside and can fit 8 if desired.
In no way, shape, or form is the Acadia hitting the high 7's in 0-60. It will be lucky to hit the mid-8's. 275hp is pretty good, but with only 251 lb. ft. of torque and a 4700+lb. curb weight for FWD, 275hp isn't quite so much any more. Also, to get gas mileage up, this thing is geared as a highway cruiser. I don't see a need for any of these to be fast or anything, just to handle a decent curve with too much lean.
Pricing one SLT with 4SA package and adding to that goes up to around $33.6K invoice. One with the 4SB package, sunroof, power everything, leaving off the expensive wheels and NAV is only a little over $35K invoice. Similar to the Envoy XL. It was around that and at the time had $5000 or $5500 rebate (closer to $31K net with rebates).
Just to add comparison of the Freestyle to the Lamba trio, yes some might say the engine is weak, but to me it has always been adequate for the task in hand (Its accelerates faster than my Audi A4..though not a nice sounding..) but the important thing to consider is the gas consumption as there is lots of talk about that here. Our Freestyle lives mostly in the city so it is definitely at the city end of the EPA numbers. EPA for our AWD car is 19/24. Our trip computer is 18.3MPG (for about 90% city driving) but on the highway when I reset the trip it records around 27mpg. I think that is pretty decent for the size (200.1x68.2x74.9 lxhxw) and weight (4112lbs) of the car.
So the fact that they estimate 17/24 for the Acadia sounds pretty good to me as the car is heavier (4722lbs), larger (201.1x72.8x78.9 lxhxw) and has a larger engine (3.6l). The car looks fairly aerodynamic so I seen no reason to question the 24mpg on the highway. I would not bet money that it would get 17 in the city. We are easy on the driving of our Freestyle but we do not see the EPA 19 figure, so I would guess that real world city for the Acadia would be about 16mpg.
We'll know for sure in about a month when they start to hit the dealer lots...
I would. This is such a real world number. consider I have friends that get 16 on Envoy XL in the City. Freestyle is not crossover to me. 5 in. ground clearance. Cars have better. I do think lamdas definitely could swing high sevens in 0-60 (especially if Enclave get's engine upgrade). Odessey get's in the eights with 244 hp (though weighs 200-300 less. Same for Pilot.
Fuel economy numbers for the Outlook were also announced, with front-wheel-drive models rated at 18 mpg city/26 mpg highway by the EPA, and all-wheel-drive models rated at 17 mpg city/24 mpg highway.
Captains chairs more comfortable and allow easy access to rear seats.
SO?
THinking about pricing of honda Pilot. Now I know saturn really messed up! Fully loaded honda pilot 4x4 comes in at 35- and that's with every thing. Now ofcourse you have to consider what you get with saturn, but, I might be willing to sacrifice alittle third row space and 30 cubes for 7 grand. Then again, when you spend about a grand more for saturn, you don't quite get everything, but comparably equipped. And No one get's a fully loaded Pilot. They step up a go Acura. To this day I've never seen a Pilot with Navigtion on the street.
(which I don't require)/nor fog lights? And to get those,
do we have to aquire them in a package that makes us purchase other things that we don't want or need.
well). Half the time I see one go by, I forget its an SUV and almost mistake it for a mini van...and remind myself,
oh yes thats the Pilot(an SUV). And seating for 7 or 8
Adults makes alot more sense than the Pilot's 5 adult seater + only seating for 3 toddlers in the back row.
I really don't see you buying 'Ugly'. Now, I can buy Ugly if I have no other real choice. And now I have Ugly and sick of Ugly and looking to get un-Ugly because I've been Ugly for 10 years now and would not spend Pilot kind of $ for Ugly again. So, continue to look before you leap...Good Luck!
Once you add the options that are already available on the GMC. You end up with a $37.5K Pilot and a $39.3K Acadia (It actually subtracts $500 for 8 passenger seating). For all that extra room, it's not too bad, and you actually get an attractive vehicle too. On top of that, the Saturn is a bit cheaper. A CX-9 with those options plus HID headlights, 20" wheels, and premium Bose stereo is $39.4k (although I am a little disappointed w/ 16/22mpg listed for the AWD on KBB).
Does that include the $700+ for destination?
I am not buying the vehicle until the next model year but I was considering getting a Denali version but thats now not a option for me
Base MSRP - 3.6L DOHC 6-cylinder / 6-speed automatic front wheel drive $27,990 $30,290
Base MSRP - 3.6L DOHC 6-cylinder / 6-speed automatic all wheel drive $29,990 $32,290
oPtion Packages
Preferred: Six-way power driver ’s seat and roof rails $505 std
Convenience (XE): remote vehicle st art, 115-volt outlet and heated windshield washer fluid $450 —
Convenience (XR): rear parking assist, power lift-gate, remote vehicle st art, 115-volt outlet and
heated windshield washer fluid — $1045
Advanced Audio: six disc, in-dash CD/MP3 player with 10 speakers, plus subwoofer and rear seat
audio controls (XE includes dual zone auto HVAC: Std on XR models ) $880 $805
Premium Trim: leather appointed first and second row seat heated front seats — $1,275
Enhanced Convenience: driver ’s seat memor y, power folding outside rear view mirror with memor y,
four- way power passenger seat with power lumbar adjustment, driver express-up, passenger express-down
power windows (requires Convenience and Premium Trim packages) — $690
Touring: 19-inch polished aluminum wheels, P255/60/R19 touring tires, chrome exhaust tips — $895
Trailering: Heavy dut y engine cooling system, 4500-pound trailer capacit y, trailer hitch and
harness hook-up $425 $425
outlook
oPtion equiPment
Power sunroof with rear glass and power shade $1,300 $1,300
DVD entert ainment system (requires Advanced Audio Package) $1,295 $1,295
XM Satellite Radio (includes three months of ser vice) $199 $199
Navigation system (requires Advanced Audio Package) — $2,145
Second row capt ain’s chairs with Smart Slide (requires Premium Trim Package) — $495
High intensit y discharge headlamps — $500
Engine block heater $50 $50
std = st andard — = not available
Premium Paint
Red Jewel Tint Coat $395 $395
White Diamond Tri-coat — $745
1. All prices are Manufacturer ’s Suggested Retail Prices and do not include taxes, title, license, retailer fees or optional equipment. Destination freight charges included. Each retail facility is responsible for setting its own selling price.
2. Available in the 48 contiguous United States. Required $12.95 monthly subscription sold separately. All fees and programming subject to change. Subscription subject to customer agreement. For more information, visit gm.xmradio.com.
roof rails on a base unit or fog lights, as it was mentioned that these 2 items are not included on the base Acadia...and presume same for the Outlook?
A vehicle being unibody does not necessarily take away from the vehicle's ability to tow. I'm sure the body could handle much more stress than 4500lbs, but the suspension and the transmission are bound to be the weak points. It's geared for hauling people, not a big trailer.