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I was born and raised in Priest Lake Idaho. Use to spend part of my Summers on Mercer Island, had a sister that lived in Kent.
I miss the Pacific Northwest.
Seriously, I'm not a Lexus fan, but the workmanship, material quality and execution of a Lexus is lightyears ahead of Hyundai,and that is what you are paying for.
If the difference isn't apparent to you, or is unimportant buy the Hyundai.
Wanna sell Hondas? You might have to change your handle. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Yes, sometimes managers screw up,and have to eat a loss.
But, if you are going to keep shopping until this happens, you may shop a long time.
Also, if you leave and the dealer figures out its mistake, gues what?
That deal is gone if you come back.
The dealer is under no obligation to honor a quote, unless it is written on a buyers order and signed by both parties.
Also, buyers do continue to shop until they get the deal they want,or can live with.
Most of the time, its the "can live with" solution.
Seriously, I'm not a Lexus fan, but the workmanship, material quality and execution of a Lexus is lightyears ahead of Hyundai,and that is what you are paying for.
Who, you mean the Lexus guy I just bought a new car from?
You obviously have not looked at the Veracruz. I will confess I have not driven one, but have checked it out. The fit and finish are first rate and materials surprisingly good. The new ones get top marks in crash tests as well. Good enough for me to go test drive one when I drive the Q7 and MDX. Seriously, it's that kind of view that got Detroit in trouble. I take it you sell Volvos. I am a fan of Volvo, but the XC90 is not even on my list. It's too long in the tooth and in need of a FMC. You should really go have a look during a break. I will admit that the dealership is bit of a dump and in need of work. I think they bought out an independent used car guy and used that space. I kept looking around to see if I could find the strings of flashing lights.
Yes, I think you are right.
...so I won't get deals as good as I have in the past when purchasing.
Nor will I. So please stop talking about them already. I like it just the way it is.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
2018 430i Gran Coupe
Now you got it.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I suppose that is true with many hypothetical questions. I guess I just got thinking how unfortunate for both parties it would be if a customer gets an offer refused because the sales manager undervalued his trade or overvalued the dealers vehicle.
My question about what happens upon return is based upon the assumption that mistakes are, in fact, rare. If the sales manager makes an honest mistake the first time he is unlikely to make the same mistake the second time.
I was also thinking about this from the Bobst Method perspective. If you make a take it or leave it offer and it is refused, you may be able to return at a future date and offer the same or slightly higher price and have it accepted.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Sure its showing its age, its got over 140K miles and has been through 7 chicago winters, but it still runs pretty good.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2018 430i Gran Coupe
-thene
Good luck to you all and happy sales :shades:
Just in case....
BMW's are junk... especially the M3 and 335Ci!
Junk, junk, junk...
Anybody that buys one of those is just nuts... and should just park it in some unsuspecting loser's driveway and walk away..
If you need an address, just let me know..
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-Moo
I drove the Cayman it is glorious. All modern Porsches, except the Cayenne since it is really a VW, are great cars.
That was a major stumble there. I read Cayenne instead of Cayman. Sorry everyone who was harmed from that comment.
You're right, Rover.
-Moo
I still have nightmares about that one...
The sales staff has rallied around me here and I'm going to issue a public apology to everyone. Words can't explain how disappointed and shocked I am by my own actions.
-Moo
that was a funny turn of events there...ha ha ha! i was fearing for moo too! afraid he was going to be run out of this forum for such a blasphemous statement. i am glad we got that disaster resolved!
-thene :P
I kind of figured you got the Cayman and Cayenne confused. It happens all the time. Stupid of Porsche to name the most fabulous vehicle they have made in years something that is so close in pronunciation to the most disgusting vehicle they have ever made.
Back a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about vehicles that just could not be sold for any price I had a thought.
At our dealership we cannot sell a Cayenne for any price. Everytime we have taken a Cayenne in it has gone to auction or been wholesaled away some where. Inevitably someone looking to buy a Cayenne is also looking at buying a Range Rover Sport. The moment they test drive the Sport they have no entrance in the Cayenne.
I was under the impression that under Ohio law, there was no three day cooling off period, only for door to door sales.
Well, the original post said there was "paint missing from the front bumper"... meaning some type of abrasion, and not a scratch. Either way it is a depreciated asset in that there is some damage. So, some type of compensation would be justified.
Now, if just a tiny half inch scratch or buff mark that if barely noticeable, I wouldn't ask for a new car. Fix it and give me about 5 (not 10) free oil changes.... I'm not greedy.
But, the customer should have been offered the free oil changes, or a bowl of chili, for his time and expense.
Speaking of chili, and the occasional mouse it may contain... just extra protein. Think of it as getting "More bang for your buck". Not my cup of tea, but some cultures would consider it a delicacy. :sick:
These "deals" will typically have you paying a restocking fee as well as a fee for any mileage driven. Not really the best situation for you. Make sure you like the vehicle. :P
-Moo
:shades:
Mackabee
It's not as easy to read the "fine print" within those radio ads, is it?
Nor is it easy to understand the super fast talking legalese at the end of the commercial.
Which just got a freshen up for 2007, and is still listed as the safest SUV.
There is NO WAY that Hyundai's materials can match Lexus.
Sorry,it just ain't happening.
Also, fit and finish is alot more than just uniform panel gaps and decent paint.
5 yrs from now, the Lexus will still look great,I doubt thet the Hyundai will.
I've seen too many used Hyundais.
Bottom line is,you get what you pay for.
Well, when those values are ENTIRELY theoretical, then this happens all the time.
There are no ABSOLUTE values for ANY car.
There is just the value today to the buyer and seller.
I ended up calling home for the number of my Discount Tire Card ($25.00 rebate if I use it). At the end of the day, everybody is happy!
I wish a very busy and successful weekend to all the sales folks here! And hope that will bring some good stories too. :shades:
BMW's are junk... especially the M3 and 335Ci!
Junk, junk, junk...
Now everybody wants a bargain.
Sorry, if you want a bargain you'll just have to buy one of those "throw aways". You know which one I mean. I can't say the name or I'd be breaking my own rule about driving up the price and then 'joe131' would probably break my nose for doing that. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Wonder how on earth that happened? Who says lobbyists don't work? Oh, wait, I should rephrase that -- Who says lobbyists aren't effective?
How long do we have to wait until those of us who want to (& can -- cash in hand, no trade) are allowed to buy directly from the manufacturer?
Will never happen.
Nor should it.
If you think dealing w/ dealers is bad,pray you never have to deal w/ a motor co directly.
Maybe it will. How much less, per $20,000 car bought by dealership at invoice,would a car cost if buying directly from manufacturer? Money talks, and from what I hear B.S walks. Cut out the middleman and save a bundle. :shades:
Which just got a freshen up for 2007, and is still listed as the safest SUV.
Minor tweaks and trim perhaps, but not an all new model as the MDX, Q7 or Veracruz and the XC90 is still rated as one of the safest SUVS. Others have caught up according to the IIHS top picks. Does the XC90 have a back up camera?
There is NO WAY that Hyundai's materials can match Lexus
Not disputing that. Not many in the class can. Lexus have gorgeous wood, leather and soft surfaces. Sure the Hyundai has plood, but doesn't the XC90 and MDX as well
5 yrs from now, the Lexus will still look great,I doubt thet the Hyundai will
At least it will be under warranty :P
I've seen too many used Hyundais
I wasn't talking about the old ones. I was talking about this new one. No used ones of these yet.
Bottom line is,you get what you pay for
Generally yes, but often you get less than you pay for. You know, up until the very, very recent past I used be Hyundai, Not in my driveway! I was making a point that it's dangerous for the established to ignore the aggressive upstarts. I'm talking about a brand new vehicle they just launched. You are talking about their old junk (sorry JM and joe) and past history. It wil be interesting to see when the Genesis is launched and when Chery exports their Buicks at half the price. Anyways, hope you sell a lot Volvos this weekend. I still like them.
Nor should it.
If you think dealing w/ dealers is bad,pray you never have to deal w/ a motor co directly.
I don't think it should happen either. Manufacturers are not equipped to nor do they want to deal with the public. Even with the internet, there are very few things that are sold manufacturer direct. You can't buy a fridge from the manufacturer. And if they did,they would in fact be setting up their own retail channel and dealer network. People still want to see and test drive cars before buying. We all still need warranty service.
Ah..no it won't be. Not the looks, not the fit and finish.
Maybe the powertrain will be but that's it.
Do not assume that the motor co would pass ANY savings on to you.
Since it would cost them to deal with you,including service and support, as well as sales people,mangers,advertising etc, the costs would be the same.
Plus,since you wouldn't have independent dealers competing for your business, the actual prices would probably rise.
Esp at the import stores.
1 Go to test drive and gain knowledge that a professional sales person with brand experience can provide.
2. Go if you have a problem and need to talk to someone face to face.
3. Go to negotiate a better deal.
4. Do a trade in (nobody will bid a car very high sight unseen)
5. Go to see the different options in action - and to check out colors.
6. Get a loaner while the car is being serviced
7. Build a relationship (half my biz is repeat and referral) that benefits both parties.
If you think car manufacturers would provide a better price, think again. Look at different TV or other mfg site prices and look at Best Buy, etc. prices.
Some people think they should be able to buy "direct" and eliminate the middleman and pocket those horrible profit dollars themselves.
They would quickly learn that the manufactures would have one price "take it or leave it".
Maybe these same people would like their jobs eliminated in the same fashion?
Heck, why not buy everything direct? Fly to Idaho and dig your own potatoes etc?
Just because the law doesn't require one doesn't mean that someone can't offer it. I suspect that this is for used cars?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I don't think any state has any return policy regarding anything. If you are talking about a cooling off period for a contract it wouldn't apply as techniqually there is no longer a contract. Once you drive off with the car both the buyer and the seller have completed their contractual obligations, hence there is really no contract to nullify.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I gather a 5 year old Honda shows less wear than other cars of the same age given the same amount of care. C'mon, we all know Honda's are good cars but lets be reasonable. Otherwise you lose all credibility.
Maybe the powertrain will be but that's it.
I wouldn't be so quick to down play a 100K mile power train warranty. What does hallowed Honda offer their original owners?
Nobody believes everything they hear about Honda's; I know I don't.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl