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The TSX has some definite advantages, but in terms of bang for the buck, the Accord wins.
Gm has no baby Caddy's except for the XLR convertible.
"A marriage of Pontiac and Buick would make sense percentage wise, and many already sell that pair."
True, I agree with you on the above paragraph.
"Down the road, the merged pair could be sold alongside the Cadillac line."
I can;t see a new of Pontiac or Buick brands(or the merger of)selling Caddy's out of the same dealership. I do have a dealer near me that used to sell Olds along with Caddy but now its just a Caddy deslership since the Olds brand is dead.
"I see Cadillac and Saab are together in my town."
Now thats an odd pairing Saab and Caddy being together in the same dealership.
"Anyway, Cadillac and the new merged, plus Chevy, Chevy Performance, and Chevy/GMC trucks makes sense to me."
No, a pairing of Chevy and GMC doesn;t make any sense due to the fact Chevy sells rebadged GMC trucks basically and GMC does sell pretty well as a brand(456K units sold in 2006 in the US.) Plus, the GMC brand has dealerships that sell GMC's as well as Pontiac and Buick.
-Loren
I think Toyota got its reputation a long time before the 92 Camry. However, what the 92 Camry did do was propell it over its (arrchrival Honda Accord) in sales and eventually the Ford Tarus in 97 in total sales.
-Loren
Chevy entry level
Pontiac/GMC/Buick mid level
Saturn non domestic buyers
Cadillac/Saab/Hummer uplevel
This is a good read about GM's "rear drive revolution:"
http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0608_rear_wheel_drive_ameri- can_cars/
Yeah, they're going to call it the Puick.
Sorry. Cheap shot. It was just sitting there.......
I am very impressed with the 2007 GM vehicles. If GM keeps this direction, I have no doubt it will take back the crown from Toyota.
Case in poin is the new Acadia. This is a world class vehicle. Just be careful that you dont hit a 2008 Toyota Highlander or RAV4 with this vehicle. The Acadia will crush the Toyota like a can of soda.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I always thought that Toylets were those Geo Prizms..... "See the USA in your Toyolet."....
Must resist.....
Over on the GM side I think they did a nice styling job on the Aura. I'm not as crazy about the shots I've seen of the 08 Malibu but it;s in the ballpark. Almost any Chevy I see these days my first thought is teh bowtie is all well and good but I;d shrink it or somehow tone it down.
Fortunately for Toyota, Camry gets love regardless of how it looks. Unconditional, if you will.
DrFill
That would either be the best thing that ever happened, or it could back fire and cause a lot of consumer confusion.
Even though Toyota has become a major player, and even with the 07 RAV 4 and Tundra. I think it will still take some time before they overtake GM as the largest auto producer. GM is not that far behind technology when you really think about it, and they are competitvely priced (especially with their trucks and SUVs). What does everyone else think?
Rocky
When I was at a college party one of the guys their was three sheets to the wind and tripped and fell on a White mid 90's Toyota Camry. I remember laughing with amazement as it looked like the hood of the car was totalled out. I was like that much damage from somebody falling on the hood. what would happen if a vehicle smashed into that hood? :surprise: imidazol97, as the great Chevy Chase said in Christmas Vacation about Uncle Eddy's RV "it's a tinament"
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-Loren
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It's a great appliance. As far as best all around car ever built you can't be serious can you? :surprise:
Rocky
Boy that took a lot of thought ? Hey Bill, will just send those non skilled workers to McDonalds, because I haven't lost my job yet and sit here on my high horse and I got the answers and attitude. Jeeeeeeeezus :confuse:
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Well you need to spend sometime in the 08' CTS and ELLPS forums. I have and yes the models I mentioned will be cross shopped by perspective buyers in the ELLPS. The Infiniti G35 will give the CTS a run for earning buyers but the G35, also has a lot of weakness's which are CTS's strong points.
Rocky
I drove one already Loren. I drove one back when I bought my Cadillac Seville STS when I first moved here to the Tx Panhandle. I was like it drives a lot like my moms Grand Prix, but I don't see why this car was so hyped. It was pretty smooth and quiet. It got a little buzzy in high rpms.Loren, did I walked away saying I need one of these ? The answer was No, thus I bought the Cadillac Seville STS which I didn't regret one bit
Rocky
I see a lot more "older lady's" driving 3 series Bimmers around here than CTS's. :surprise:
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I had forgotten the Ford plant in Edisson. Thanks for the reminder.
I remember the day they shut down Caprice production in Linden. Sad day. They retooled it for Blazers and now it's gone/
I'd love to see anyone open a plant in NJ again but don't ex[ect it. The land costs too much anymore.
Reach back to your high school French and think about it.
GT'aime; Je t'aime, the French phrase for "I love you."
Europeans already clearly do love the GT. It hasn't gone on sale yet, but it was named convertible of the year at the prestigious Geneva auto show.
Opel's European Web sites will include a GT corner where buyers can research the hot little convertible and upload audio in a contest to see who can whisper "Je t'aime" in the sexiest, most seductive voice.
Only a couple years ago Saturn was the forgotten division at GM. Now it's the growing concern, offering the Vue sport-utility in plain, high-performance and hybrid flavors; Sky roadster with a performance offshoot; Aura sedan, which grabbed North American Car of the Year honors and has a hybrid on the way; and the Outlook crossover. A compact Astra hatchback arrives this fall.
Does Saturn have enough dealers to do that? I was under the impression there were fewer Saturn outlets than even BPGs.
That would either be the best thing that ever happened, or it could back fire and cause a lot of consumer confusion.
Would not be good for consumer. A Toyota - General Motors combo (Toyota Motors?) might be inclined to raise prices on offerings across the board. Need a number of good manufacturers in competition to moderate pricing. Biggest obstacle to merger of Toy and GM is clash of management philosophies and corporate cultures. Would GM managers be trainable?
On a positive note, with a merger, Toyota would take on huge challenge of fixing GM. This would be like a great football coach (Lombardi) signing on with a team in last place and having them win the Super Bowl in a short time.
Best thing for consumer is for GM to refocus, winnow its offerings, and demonstrate that it can make significant annual improvemennts and do battle with Toyota.
27K for an Accord? Maybe if you pay sticker and get Navigation and a Hybrid?
Or are you talking Out the door cost? I got an '03 Accord V6 Coupe and paid 25K out the door, of course, I paid a premium since the car had "just come out." By the way... if Accords are dropping in value in a landslide such as you suggest in other posts, then how come I sold it at 4 years and 2 months old, with almost 65K miles, for 53% of its out the door cost?
Are you sure you drove a Honda Accord V6??? That's a first to comment the Honda V6 is buzzy. I took it to 7K RPM many a time and never even noticed much audio at all from the engine, let alone buzziness.
Maybe you drove the 4 cylinder? Or maybe you confused the Hyundai Sonaccord with the Honda Accord?
That's like apples and oranges. New vs used.
Anyhow, perhaps another alternative would have been a new Avalon whose sticker starts at 27. Avalon also has great reliability vs STS per latest Consumer Reports (CR). Mostly red circles vs some black for Cad. Think that Avalon performance model would do well against STS in handling. Maybe beat it.
Graph on P23 of CR April issue shows reliability trend of major brands. Toyota is best, VW is worst and GM is next worse.
I wonder if every new vehicle buyer in 2007 going forward got a free issue of April Consumer Report and read it, would this turn on the bulb above enough buyers' heads and then be enough for Toyota to solidly overtake GM this year.
That would be the understatement of the day! Way more BPG and B and PG and BP and GB dealerships than Saturn.
BUT since Saturn is not taking volume from the rest of the GM divisions it is only + volume and getting it from somewhere, hopefully a lot of it is Toyota. In fact Toyota is always in the top 3 when looking at cross brand shopping (when they compete in a segment)
http://www.autoobserver.com/2007/02/saturn_gms_best.html
http://www.carspace.com/autoobserver/Albums/Saturn/saturn_xshop.gif/page/photo.h-
And then the buyers would get the JD Power report and then really wonder what the heck is going on.
-Loren
I would have to take a look at CR's current issue but I think GM is more reliable than VW and I am saying this as a Japanse Car fan.
"I wonder if every new vehicle buyer in 2007 going forward got a free issue of April Consumer Report and read it, would this turn on the bulb above enough buyers' heads and then be enough for Toyota to solidly overtake GM this year."
I don;t doubt Toyota's reliability but Ford might fight Toyota back to snatch back its Number 2 spot. In January Toyota outsold Ford 175K-153K but in Febuary Ford outsold Toyota 197K-187K so Toyota is up on Ford currently 363K-350K units while minusing Fords sales of their Foreign subsidaries brands(Volvo, Rover, and Jag.)