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This nicer radio is part of the new MMC updates. The previous radio on these 1.3 models looked just like the radio on the cheaper Jazz models.
One car can vary considerably between regions to better suit consumer preferences and tastes. Even if you look at the European Jazz vs. the Japanese Fit, there are several differences...
-L12A (1.2i) and L13A (1.4i) in Europe vs. L13A and L15A in Japan
-Manual transmission not available on L13A in Japan, but of course widely available in Europe. The base models (L13A) in Japan only get automatic, while the base models in Europe (L12A) only get manual.
-"Magic seats" in Europe have Utility, Long, and Tall modes, while Refresh mode is only available in Japan.
-Small cosmetic differences like the wheels. I believe the very nice looking alloys (like the ones on your car) are only available in the European market.
...so naturally small things like radio and A/C combinations will be different. The Japanese-market cars always have had more technologically-oriented interiors. I don't even think the European Jazz has satellite navigation as an option.
Since both countries (France and Hungary) are in the European market, I think the only difference between the two are the transmission choices. In Western Europe, there is a CVT option on each 1.4i trim line, while in Central Europe there is usually a CVT only on one trim line.
The latest rumor is March 2006.
I suspect that the delay is the engine. Honda wants the car to get PZEV if it can and still be driveable - AND likely get 50mpg highway in the testing on the smaller engine(huge marketing plus).
Currently the laws state that hybrids, alternative fuel vehicles, and electrics can get the HOV access and other benefits, but what if the new Fit pollutes the same as a Prius? It would be a nice trick, especially in California - all those shiny new Hondas running around with "Clean Vehicle" stickers on them.
Well, I can hope at least
That totally makes sense, especially with Honda's new focus on making very safe vehicles and their "Safety for Everyone" campaign. The last thing they will want to do is introduce their new entry-level and have it gain a reputation of being unsafe.
Some excerpts related to the Fit:
"AM: You will bring in the Honda Fit subcompact next year. Have you considered a youth brand, like Toyota's Scion?
TF: Absolutely not.
...
AM: Three years from now, how much assembly capacity will you have in North America?
TF: We want to wait until we introduce the Fit next year and see what happens with the Fit. Depending on the results, we might add on more capacity.
AM: Is there a possibility that you might build the Fit in North America, say, in Mexico?
TF: Not in Mexico. But if the Fit turns out to be a big hit in North America, and if the Civic maintains its sales volume, our policy is to produce where the demand exists. So I guess if that happens, we would have to think about producing the Fit somewhere in North America.
AM: With the Ridgeline, you entered a new segment. Are you looking at other truck segments? There's a big part of the American market that you don't participate in.
TF: No. Right now we want to expand and strengthen our lineup in the Fit category.
AM: You ship the China-built Fit to Europe, where it is sold as the Jazz. Would you consider exporting Fits from China to North America?
TF: Not at all. Our export factory in China only has capacity for 50,000 units. Don't think that China is cheap."
Think it's possible?
"You will bring in the Honda Fit subcompact next year. Have you considered a youth brand, like Toyota's Scion?"
Although Honda does have some good small models like the Fit, Fit Aria, Airwave, etc., it's probably a much better idea that they don't follow the Toyota path. Those models don't have the "wild" look that the Scion models do that would justify the creation of a whole new brand, and it would probably be pretty expensive for Honda. It's just as well that the Fit is badged as a Honda. People will be more likely to associate it with the parent company when it comes time to trade-in their Fit.
I wonder how many Scion owners are actually going to trade up to a Toyota Camry later in life? I think the problem there is that Scion has distanced itself so much from Toyota's American car models that a Scion owner is just as likely (or more) to go buy a Civic or Accord over a Corolla or Camry.
"AM: With the Ridgeline, you entered a new segment. Are you looking at other truck segments? There's a big part of the American market that you don't participate in.
TF: No. Right now we want to expand and strengthen our lineup in the Fit category."
I find this VERY interesting...and it's wonderful! I guess having the Ridgeline be one of the only Honda models to miss the target sales mark in its first year shows something. Even the Element is going to break the 50 000 mark...again.
I will be very interested to see what else in the small car category Honda decides to bring over.
bostonjazz,
Would you be able to provide the link to where you found this article. I would be interested in reading the rest of it too.
Thanks!
See my responses above on what my guess on what the US-market Honda Fit will be like. I do think Honda might be looking at building a Fit with the L15A i-DSI engine rated at 86 bhp (SAE 08/04 net) mated with the CVT specifically as a more fuel-efficient Fit version (essentially using the drivetrain of the Fit Aria saloon sold in Japan).
Would be happy to but unfortunately I don't think the article is publicly available on the web - I pulled the excerpts from Lexis-Nexis.
They were pretty bold/definitive comments, but perhaps that is how Fukui speaks.
It definitely emphasized the strategic importance of the Fit to Honda - beyond anything else - which I think is a very good sign
Random question - who here is looking forward to the Fit but does *not* like the Scion xA? I posted a while back that I was very (surprisingly) disappointed in the xA. ...and incidentally, more interested in the Toyota Matrix.
Meanwhile, gas creeping back up above $2.15
Count your blessing - we're in the 2.30 range already in west michigan :mad:
I love the Jazz in Europe, and I am totally looking forward to the Fit. Once it comes out in the US I will be purchasing one. However, the Scion xA doesn't appeal to me that much. The quality is pretty good, but not what I expected. Another thing I really don't like is the location of the instruments. I do not want to move my eyes to the right every time I want to check how fast I'm going. I like the instruments right in front of me. I love small cars, and I had high hopes for the Scion xA, but it's not for me.
Also, the general interior format of the Fit is so much more versatile than any of the competitors, Scion xA included.
Honda had better offer a manual, though, if it offers the smaller engine. 50mpg and such decent cargo area would ensure probably half a million sales in the next few years just from delivery companies and so on. It's the perfect short-range delivery vehicle - everything from couriers to every business that delivers food or parts or plants or...
With the death of the micro-pickups, this could easily fill the spot for many companies(and their old trucks and metros are all wearing out right now).
Geo and Suzuki sold a huge number of 3 cylinder Metros/Swifts to businesses looking for frugal transportation. I've talked to many over the years and they buy cheap cars, but always lament the fact that they have to buy Korean - they want something that resells for something decent in the end and is built better. Most bought Echos as a stopgap measure, but without a rear cargo area, it's a halfway solution. Removing the front passenger seat is common, btw.
The Fit is solid, safe, and huge by comparison. 4 wheel disc brakes, side airbags, ABS, flat cargo floor.. it's a no-brainer compared to the competition. Got 20 boxes of paperwork to deliver across town? Done. Need ten pizzas delivered to five different houses? Done. Need a bunch of flowers delivered to a wedding/church/whatnot? Fold the seats up and use the center cargo "area"(tall mode)
It's definetely worth selling the smaller engine model in the U.S. I just hope Honda realizes the potential business-related market such a vehicle would have. (And the few of us who want a super-frugal car would benefit, too )
I totally agree with you. When I am standing next to a Jazz, the car looks very well proportioned. The Scion xA looks fat, like there is wasted space. The first time I actually stood next to a Jazz was when I parked next to one in a parking garage in Brussels. I had seen them driving, but up close to one I was so surprised how large it appeared...inside and out. The inside seemed very airy and spacious with lots of windows for good visibility.
Of course, in the US it will appear much smaller because of all the large cars and SUVs, but I have never seen so much space inside a car with such small exterior dimensions.
Don't be surprised that Honda sells the Fit in the USA with both the L15A VTEC (105 bhp SAE 08/04 net) and L15A i-DSI (86 bhp SAE 08/04 net) versions. The i-DSI engined version will be very popular as delivery vehicles for small businesses. :shades:
The 1.5 L has the same hp/weight ratio and torque to wieght ratio as the base Mini Cooper, plus the suspension, wheelbase, tires, and so on - all within an inch of each other. Add in 4 wheel disc brakes, ABS, and so on - and it's going to be very simmilar. Even the CVT in both base models is nearly identical.
In short, it's not going to be a slug by any means. With a 3 ft shorter turning radius, it'll also out-handle the Mini by a bit. Now, it's no Cooper S, but for what it is - the 1.5L model will be a sweet ride.
The 1.3L if it is available, though, will be an amazing econobox. 50mpg+ and enogh power to get the job done, if barely.
Please stop rumors that can't be substantiated. Fictitious material does not mean minor correction - either quote a verifiable source or label it the B.S. that it is...
I'm really getting tired of the "supposed" insider info that's going around on this model. As far as I'm concerned if Honda ain't announced it - it ain't true! :mad:
Actually, the big killer is still going to be making it only as a strippo, which to me means no moonroof. Even if it turned out to be a viable functional package for me, no roof = no sale.
I actually think it is a plus these days if they keep it simple (no auto climate, power seats, etc.). Less to go wrong!
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Well, it will definitely be able to turn in a tighter radius than the Mini. As for handling, that has more involved than turning radius. Otherwise the Prius should be able to out-handle a large numbers of cars out there with its relatively tight turning radius.
Put in a decent suspension upgrade and a good set of 185/55R15 tires and the Fit will likely give the base Mini a run for the money in terms of handling. Of course the Fit can't compare with the Mini Cooper versions given the fact the Mini Cooper has very taut, sport-oriented suspension pieces and far wider tires than those used on the Fit.
I have heard many times from many different sources (of course, all speculation) that the Fit (as well as the Yaris and Versa) will be sold properly equipped, and not stripped down.
Moonroof/Sunroofs seem to be quite popular in the United States, so I can see Honda giving the US-market Fit one...at least in the top trim line. A sunroof is available on the Jazz as an option, and I believe on the JDM Fit as well, so it is a possibility.
I actually think it is a plus these days if they keep it simple (no auto climate, power seats, etc.). Less to go wrong!
That's so true. I am hoping to keep my Fit for a very long time, so I want a car that is SIMPLE and won't require weird repairs. However, it seems like lots of cars like Honda's larger vehicles are filled with all of these new technologies that could so easily go wrong after a few years. I totally trust Honda to make VCM (Variable Cylinder Management) for example, but will it last 200 000+ miles without requiring expensive repairs?
I had a Japanese-built 1987 Accord 2,0i that had about 415 000 km (257 000 miles) on it when I got rid of it. The only problem was the automatic transmission was starting to go bad. The engine was PERFECT, and if it had been a manual transmission, I would still have it today. That car was as solid as a rock. It seems like they just don't build cars with that kind of superb quality anymore.
Well, the Fit is top-notch quality of course :shades:
Nice to know that the engineering is in place to have one. I was thinking that it didn't exist anywhere, and they didn't want to spend the $$ to make it happen.
LOok at how many Minis have a moonroof. But, that again brings up the 100K question: What is the mission of the Fit?
is it a cheap, below Civic econobox? A mini size "premium" sub compact? A little sporty car? All of the above?
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That is a VERY good question - is there just one itinerary for this car or is Honda hoping to plug numerous leaks in the potential buyer loss sieve that going too upscale on the Civic/Accord price tag created?:confuse:
Now, if they can show a "45" on the MPG sticker and introduce it just as gas goes above $3.00 again, they might move a few units!
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http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/toyota_ractis_-.php
I certainly hope that they will bring it to North-America sooner than later. It would be a BIG hit in Canada and certainly would be competition to the Honda Fit (esp. if they offer the CVT).
I sure hope the Fit will be available with a fairly high level of equipment and not have a forced moonroof. Let it be an option like on the Ridgeline. You call a non-moonroof vehicle "strippo". I call a moonroof "ripoff".
How many Xa and Xb Scions have a moonroof?
http://www.forbes.com/2005/12/12/backseat-driver-smallcars-cx_jf_1213flint.html?- partner=yahootix
(2) In but a few sentences in a Newark, NJ Star-Ledger article - how in-the-know is this reporter? ...
"Honda Fit
For years in Japan and other parts of Asia, Honda has sold a subcompact car called Fit. By summer 2006, the front-wheel-drive Fit will finally arrive in the States.
The appeal is Fit's small-on-the-outside, big-on-the-inside design, as well as its fuel-thrifty, four-cylinder engine. Some reports indicate Honda may fit the Fit with a CVT to produce noteworthy fuel economy, but Honda officials are keeping mum until early next year.
The Fit will become Honda's entry car, with a starting MSRP below the 2006 Civic's $14,360."
Again, it could be we know more than that reporter based on our day-in-day-out tracking of Fit news and specs. However, assuming this writer secured an interview with Honda or did some probing, does this suggest:
- Confirming a recent post, the Fit arrives "by SUMMER" not Q1 ?!
- Silence until "early next year" (a few more weeks)
- Starting MSRP could be higher than some forecast?
Who knows, really...
He also specifically noted that Mexican Fit models would be produced in Brazil, and the US models would be imported from Japan.
http://world.honda.com/news/2005/c050720_a.html
(scroll down to the 2nd paragraph of the North American section on "Regional Operations")
Also, the Automotive News interview that was posted here a few days ago has Takeo Fukui saying ---
...if the Fit turns out to be a big hit in North America, and if the Civic maintains its sales volume, our policy is to produce where the demand exists. So I guess if that happens, we would have to think about producing the Fit somewhere in North America.
I think the Japan thing is probably pretty set in stone.
At the very end of November, I visited a Honda dealership in Southern California. I asked the salesman about the Fit, and he said, "Well, it's supposedly coming," and that he would "believe it when he sees it".
Dealers are not exactly what I would consider the best source for Honda's future product plans.
I have visited Honda dealers three times since September, and each time they have told me how skeptical they have been about the Fit coming (even though it has been official since July). They have also tried to sell me an Element the first two times, and a Civic the third time to "tide me over" until the Fit arrives. Give me a break.
I bet that the guy at the dealership just wanted to sell punkrockpaul a Civic by stating the Fit wouldn't be here for a while.
Under Models, there is a “Fit 5-Door” link.
On that point, we are a relatively small group of the 35,000-75,000 (random range) of people that will (or may) buy a Fit next year. I can't tell you how many friends and family members I've shared information on this car with as I've discovered more about it - many of them are equally impressed. Nice viral marketing - but it begins with some information
I have received one "update" so far--a generic email that provides a link to the Honda autos site. No info on the car itself.
I think I would burst into tears if I had to wait this long for that ugly City/Fit Aria 4-door.
It's also good that the link is now on the primary page, and not just hidden away in the site map. Now everybody can see it! It must be getting close!
The car is going to be a departure for Honda. After decades of elitist attitudes and biggotry towards U.S. customers(Sony does this too, as well as shrinking handful of Japanese companies) - they are sending us the Japanese version(s) of the Fit. Made in Japan, just like the ones they sell at home, other than a few minor changes, like headlights and maybe a couple of trim options, plus a tiny bit of tweaking with the computers(since we drive much faster here than in Japan).
It's going to be a fantastic little car - basically Honda's take on a Mini without the BMW pricing. Not surprizing, given how Accura and Lexus are nipping at the heels of Mercedes and BMW now, for a simmilar 20% cost savings.
(run by a Honda parts store and not affiliated with American Honda) has updated their site with the following info. –“Expect a 1.5L engine producing around 110hp with a choice of either a 5spd manual or a paddle shift 5spd automatic”-
Before anyone gets too worked up about no cvt, and his June eta of the fit- take this site with a grain of salt. I think that this guys’ site is one of the 2 originators of the “no cvt, and mpg in the 30’s rumors that ran wild on this board, and fitfreak, and TOV last October. This “preview video” was never found and a lot of us got needlessly upset over the supposed low mpg figures.
I know we are all starving for any details but lets face it unless Honda says it, it’s just speculation.
Hey, I love a good rumor too but let’s not ride the up and down rollercoaster based on anything but fact.
They state,
U.S. fit will be display at North American International Auto Show. http://www.naias.com/index.asp
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