For me it's personal comfort. I feel warm sitting on cloth seats. I don't like being warm. It can be 20 degress out and when I sit in a rental car with cloth seats I think, "good lord, I'm gonna be sweating in seconds".
Wale, in Hollywood they love how I prefer leathers. You should check out the following movies:...
You seem to insinuate the new IS is derivative of the new 3? How so? Besides the similar size. The styling is very different.
The words aluminum pop up a lot in in-depth reviews of it's design, so I expect weight to be similar, even with more size and features, but with new, lighter engines.
"grown up means leather seats standard. No cloth anywhere to be seen...which means I would rule it out, most likely"
I guess I am just a juvenile 41 year older who loves cloth seats(despite what they may think in California). I have cloth in my 99 BMW323i and look forward to cloth seats in a new BMW e90 or an IS(most likely BMW).
Real sport sedans should have cloth seats. Anything else is a compromise! Cant stand the wood in the IS---would pick aluminum to match my cloth seats (avoid killing trees and cows). That should make Mother Earth proud. ;-/
Leather is really the poor man's interior. It is easy to care for and lasts forever. Cloth on the other hand ages quickly and is much harder to keep clean.
People who have kids and pets fair far better in the long run with leather. If you buy a good leather sofa for example it will last forever. Try that with cloth; in a couple years your kids/pets will have trashed it and you will have to buy another one.
Says who ? The finite few of you, I guess. The market here in NA has spoken, and leather is in, cloth is out....
"Cant stand the wood in the IS---would pick aluminum to match my cloth seats..."
Wood+leather combo on wheels, dash, and shifter is fast becoming nouveau chic in lux cars. And we are talking of lux cars here, ain't we ? If its what the market asks for, that's what the market gets. Maybe you are the exception, but car manufacturers spend an awful lot of money on market surveys and focus groups to gauge consumer trends and needs. They know what their market demand, and those that fail to meet the market demand fail. That simple !
Its all good.... I do recall reading an article in car and driver ? I think it was about the former G20 how folks were getting a nasty shock from the velour type seats. For me ill take leather or even leather 'ette.And from a safety standpoint no fires at the gas station from the static electicity.....:)
So this is it huh? Could this be the second vehicle from Lexus in their 15 year history that I actually like?
I'm not shocked that it looks like the new 3-Series, because like it or not Lexus always looks like the car they aim to beat.
That said, this design is very clean, even cleaner than the BMW 3 I think because it lacks the 3's "character line" down the side and the side sill is straight across and doesn't sag like the BMW's. I like IS interior too. Much, much better than the current car.
Oac,
The GS isn't going to get a new engine this fall, that would make it pointless for them to have introduced the current car as a 2006 model only to gut the engine 7-8 months later. 2007 is the model year for the GS's engine room changes, after the LS debuts the new V8. My question is though what engine besides the 2.5L V6 is the IS getting for the U.S. market this fall? An IS350 sounds nice, but I'm thinking they may go with a 245hp IS300, but then again who knows until the U.S. version debuts at New York in April. Don't you love not knowing!!!
just had two minutes but I stopped by the dealer to check out the new GS300 tonight - even better in person. Gives me high hopes for the IS.
And both of the GS they had out front had "sold" tags on their dashes. Could Lexus finally have a 5-series competitor that people want to buy in large quantities?
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As I've said before, its a given that Lexus wont have problems selling every GS on the lot in its first year. Every GS has been able to do that, even the '93. The real question is wether it will be able to maintain its sales and residual value like G35, or fall flat on its face after 3-4 years, (see: '92-00 SC, '93-97 GS, '98-00 GS, '01-05 GS, '01-05 IS).
I dont know or care what is nouveau chic. I am not the market nor do I pretend to be one. But what the market demands(RX330 EX330) can be pretty bland. Aluminum and cloth is ideal to me and it is me that is buying a car.
Love your respect! The FIRST Lexus you LOVED (!) must've been the Original SC, no?
The IS DOES have a "character line" down it's sides, but it is so high it starts at the hood and grille and ends in the taillights (!), giving the car a truly chisiled and muscular flanks, which is what a well-done line is supposed to do, not just there to brake up the side, but enhance it.
LexusGuy
Lexus is definitely aware of the problem. I think they've learned there lesson. And the 450h maybe enough to cure this Migraine. If not, the 4.6 will! I'm not worried.
I was at my dealership's party a few weeks ago for the new GS. I spoke with several Midwest area managers who were there and they specifically said the IS will launch in the U.S. with a 2.5 putting out roughly the same power as the current IS and a 3.5 with over 300hp. This is exactly what I was told last summer as well at a Lexus driving event.
I am simply in love with this car and will almost certainly buy one this fall.
Yes the only Lexus I ever "liked" not loved was the original SC, the SC400 to be exact. Lexus hasn't even made anything close since, imo. Certainly not the SC430.
lenscap,
We'll just have to see because just like the GS, the media is saying something different, a 252hp version of the GS300's V6 is what they're saying, but we shall see. I think 315hp in this body will spell trouble for BMW and Infiniti in particular, at least for a year or so. Keeping the interest up is Lexus' problem, because any car they launch will be hot at first.
From an article on Lexus in the 2/28/05 issue of Business Week: "The current IS 300 struck out against the BMW 3 series and other cars selling for $30,000 to $40,000 because it was smaller and, in some cases, underpowered. Its V-6 engine kicks out 215 horsepower, but rivals such as the Cadillac CTS, Infiniti G35, and the 3 series all sell optional engines with at least 225 hp. The new cars promise to pack much more punch: Lexus says the V-6 in the new IS 350 will have well over 300 hp..."
You're right though, until the 3.5 is confirmed at the NY Auto Show I guess it is just speculation regardless of the sources I have heard/read it from. We'll just have to wait and see.
On trim, one should note that choices are given even to the US base 3-series buyer on whether or not they wish to include wood or aluminum trim. I'd expect Lexus to at least be able to offer the same.
The idea that lux has to include such useless trim pieces as a wood and leather (as opposed to just leather) steering wheel and gobs of wood-veneered accent panels is pretty silly I think. Metal and (dare I say it) carbon and other inserts are every bit as luxurious, IMO, provided it's done well. I think Audi has proved that consistently, as has VW IIRC.
Besides, this is supposed to be sport-lux. Let's try to have some emphasis on the sport part, sez I.
I told a friend yesterday that between the E90 and the new IS, I think the IS is a better execution of the design idiom. He kind of agreed, noting the the nose of the E90 seemed a better integration of shapes that still maintain strong identity, or words kind of to that effect. I agree. I don't really care much for the E90 nose, but I still agree.
Still looks like they were separated at birth, though. I like the higher cut line on the IS, as the lower one on the E90 gives it something of a wannabe-British look to me.
The front clip on the IS is a major opportunity, I think. The tuners are, I'm sure, hard at work this morning penning concepts for bolt-on replacements and I look forward to their publication!
Not as bad as I feared; not as inspiring as I hoped.
The cloth in the '01 IS300 was really nice.. kind of a corduroy.. I drove one that had it in black, and I really liked it..
But, units with cloth and no sunroof are the kiss of death, if you are trying to sell...
This was in April of '02, and this car only had 9K miles... and they could not move it.. The Lexus dealer was so desperate, they had it sent out for an aftermarket sunroof (which is why I didn't consider it), and it still wouldn't sell..
They offered it to me for $23,900....
A car-dealer friend of mine, who I had related the story to.. called me a week later, to tell me it was at the auction.. Sold for $18K.. A one year old IS300 with 9K miles..
So, even though I like cloth interior... don't look for any on your local dealer's lot..
"Still, I think it would be of value to offer it. Ain't likely to happen, but... "
but...there is at least one person in this continent willing to order it!! :-)
Resale values are of no concern to me--I keep my cars for a long time. Resale value considerations such as "what features would most people like" is not a consideration for me.
Take heart, lad, you're not alone. I may prefer leather m'self, but I've had this conversation with more than a few who would have preferred cloth, yet would have had to special order to get it.
Now that I'm older, wiser and a bit better off, I don't take exception to ordering. Next go around, I'm perfectly happy to wait ten weeks or so for my perfect personal combination to arrive, and I'm also just fine with not being able to dicker a few hundred off on whatever's on the lot. Edmunds best negotiating practices be damned: my next car is going to be the color, trim and package I want with no more or less accessorizing than I deem fit! ;-)
For you and your brethren, I hope they offer a beautiful solid cloth. My hope is faint, but it's there!
Here's to you DrFill. Clinks all around! Your wisdom and knowledge have always risen to the top on this forum. Now please tell me that the retracteble hardtop IS350 will be brought to market by the fall of 2006!
To your continued good health ! Keep the updates and insider info coming too...
As to the IS350, they'd better put in the 315hp motor so as to get over the GS disappointment and keep the interest in Lexus beyond a couple of years. If Lexus is really serious about going for the jugular, they need a big IS release here in the NA market. If they can move 50K IS units in its first year of sale, that will be a major achievement.
Personally, I am planning to buy an IS350 or an e90 Bimmer. I had thought the e90 was going to be Bangle-ized, but BMW did a fine job on the 2006 3-series. Me like the Bimmer 3 more than any other Bimmer. Me will buy a Bimmer 330i unless the IS gets a 300+bhp, then its definitely the IS for me.
And no stinking cloth in my car, ever again... Just me tho'...
I am so happy that the new IS has choices of engines (or will have) because that's why I have liked BMW so much: they don't make you move up into a bigger model to get a better engine.
And hallejulah! 6 Speed Manual!!!
Lexus hasn't let me down.... yet....
So is it a 3L in the US, possibly followed by a 3.5?? Or is there going to be a 2.5 in the U.S. too?
As for a retracable hardtop, I say yea. I mean, the 3 series is offered as a sedan, coupe, wagon and convertible, so Lexus needs to have more than one body style.
Overall, I think that it looks gobs better than the 3 series.... and I have to cruise on over to Indy to buy a Lexus, because here in Lafayette, Indiana, all of the rich people buy Cadillac Devilles. Not even Benzes or Bimmers. Sad. No Acura or Infiniti dealers, either. But hey! I could go to Zionsville and check out a Rolls. (I wish) I'm getting off subject a little.
285? Way unnecessary. The g35 is a tank by comparison. It's ten inches longer than the current IS, and even with the stretch the new IS won't break 180 inches.
If all our talk here about a lighter power plant than the outgoing iron block, and aluminum spread liberally around the platform, holds water, then I'd say they could run the competition without breaking 250 easy. That assumes the handling is at least as good as the current IS.
I wouldnt discount the G and TL just because of their size. The RL has been recorded going through the slalom at 67mph, faster than a 330i by quite a bit.
LG I'm not discounting them at all, but they are much bigger cars requiring more motive power to begin with. To be competitive against such honkers requires not quite so much HP I think.
Edmunds reports the US gets the 3L V6 first. That makes sense, but it still sucks for Lexus to say one thing and do another.... Oh well.... As long as the 3.5L makes it here by next year, I'll forgive them. WIll certainly give me time to evaluate the competition (330i) even more before I buy one.
that even the up-power 330i for '06 will still only have something like 265 hp. If the 3.0 is the IS's uptrim engine for the first year it should be OK. And I like Lexus' new strategy of updating different parts of the vehicle at different times to keep the product fresh. If this means we get a new body style this year and have to wait a year for a new engine, so be it. :-)
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Actually, the '06 330 gets a 3L 255hp motor, which is about the IS300 with a 3L 252hp. I for one, would still like to see the 3.5L here in the US to make Lexus truly competitive with its peers. That 3L motor is not gonna get it done, imo.
The 2.5-liter version delivers 204 horsepower (DIN), while the 3.5-liter will have about 280 horsepower. A new six-speed automatic transmission featuring sequential shift control will be standard.
Automobile In the U.S., the IS will use a breathed upon version of the new Avalon's 3.5-liter V-6 and thus wear an IS350 badge. Exact horsepower figures have yet to be confirmed, but we expect slightly more than the Avalon's 280.
I know this may not belong in this forum, but it is interesting automotive information my people should read!
CYTD sales 2005 (compared to 2004)
Down: Mercedes down 18% (25000 sales) Benz SL down 38% S-Class down 25% (2000 sales) Lexus LS down 11% (4000 sales) Sienna down 16% Jaguar down 29% Exploder down 30% F-Series down 15% Ford GT: 11
Up: Ford 500 sells 6500 a month Ford Mustang sells twice that Mini up 12% 5-series up 10% Prius up 114% Scion Xa up 103% Lexus GS up 75% 3-series sales stable
Ford loses Explorer lawsuit in Texas
31 million awarded to families of two teens killed in Explorer rollover.
Teens ejected from vehicle. Had been drinking at school ceremony, but well under legal limit.
Were not wearing seatbelts. Missed sharp turn off highway and went offroad into rollover.
Glass was normal tempered, not laminated says prosecution. This is what caused the deaths.
Doc, not to pee on the charcoal at your natal-day BBQ, but a 75% GS increase over nearly nothing is still pretty small. [ducks] A brand new model ought to do exactly what the GS is doing. I'd expect the LS's numbers to do the same at its next intro.
The number for the xA doesn't surprise me. It took a while to catch on, but I think this was the best offering from Scion prior to the tC. And it's middle-aged farts like me who are buying it (go figure)!
The Prius numbers prove Barnum's axiom, IMO, but kudos to Toyota for seizing the opportunity anyway.
The nifty indicator here to my mind is the 3-series. This is an aging model on the very eve of its complete revamp and the sales aren't nose-diving. And this is in the face of supposed competition from bigger cars in the same price range. My theory remains that the TL and G35 aren't really direct competitors to the 3 at all. One completely new, on-fire-selling Honda, and a newer Nissan in the range, and the war horse on its way out is still more than pulling its weight. That's impressive.
The April 2005 Consumers Report(Canadian Version) mention an upcoming IS wagon.
Is this a mistake? Did anyone else read about an upcoming IS Wagon? It sounds too good to be true and I will my excitement until I read about an IS wagon elesewhere.
Elvis is Still Alive! A Future IS wagon is still alive! I think both statements are equally probable in happening.
A future IS wagon would make me re-consider my future 3 series Touring purchase!
I don't think it's a mistake, Dewey, but it's not what you think either. There has been a lot of speculation that they would use the platform (perhaps by '07) for an X3 competitor of sorts. Help me out here, Doc, wasn't it going to be roughly based on the HF-C concept?
Think tall wagon. It's not the touring variant the current SportCross is. The current one (my car) is an IS300 sedan with a backpack, just like the 325iT idea.
If in fact a real sport wagon gets offered, then updates be damned, I'm first in line for a test-drive, and I'll hurt anyone who gets in my way! ]-}
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DL
Sorry, it was there. I could've left it there, true, but...
Wale, in Hollywood they love how I prefer leathers. You should check out the following movies:...
The words aluminum pop up a lot in in-depth reviews of it's design, so I expect weight to be similar, even with more size and features, but with new, lighter engines.
DrFill
if it performs as good as it looks, BMW is going to be having nightmares.
I guess I am just a juvenile 41 year older who loves cloth seats(despite what they may think in California). I have cloth in my 99 BMW323i and look forward to cloth seats in a new BMW e90 or an IS(most likely BMW).
Real sport sedans should have cloth seats. Anything else is a compromise! Cant stand the wood in the IS---would pick aluminum to match my cloth seats (avoid killing trees and cows). That should make Mother Earth proud. ;-/
People who have kids and pets fair far better in the long run with leather. If you buy a good leather sofa for example it will last forever. Try that with cloth; in a couple years your kids/pets will have trashed it and you will have to buy another one.
Says who ? The finite few of you, I guess. The market here in NA has spoken, and leather is in, cloth is out....
"Cant stand the wood in the IS---would pick aluminum to match my cloth seats..."
Wood+leather combo on wheels, dash, and shifter is fast becoming nouveau chic in lux cars. And we are talking of lux cars here, ain't we ? If its what the market asks for, that's what the market gets. Maybe you are the exception, but car manufacturers spend an awful lot of money on market surveys and focus groups to gauge consumer trends and needs. They know what their market demand, and those that fail to meet the market demand fail. That simple !
DL
I'm not shocked that it looks like the new 3-Series, because like it or not Lexus always looks like the car they aim to beat.
That said, this design is very clean, even cleaner than the BMW 3 I think because it lacks the 3's "character line" down the side and the side sill is straight across and doesn't sag like the BMW's. I like IS interior too. Much, much better than the current car.
Oac,
The GS isn't going to get a new engine this fall, that would make it pointless for them to have introduced the current car as a 2006 model only to gut the engine 7-8 months later. 2007 is the model year for the GS's engine room changes, after the LS debuts the new V8. My question is though what engine besides the 2.5L V6 is the IS getting for the U.S. market this fall? An IS350 sounds nice, but I'm thinking they may go with a 245hp IS300, but then again who knows until the U.S. version debuts at New York in April. Don't you love not knowing!!!
M
And both of the GS they had out front had "sold" tags on their dashes. Could Lexus finally have a 5-series competitor that people want to buy in large quantities?
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The IS DOES have a "character line" down it's sides, but it is so high it starts at the hood and grille and ends in the taillights (!), giving the car a truly chisiled and muscular flanks, which is what a well-done line is supposed to do, not just there to brake up the side, but enhance it.
LexusGuy
Lexus is definitely aware of the problem. I think they've learned there lesson. And the 450h maybe enough to cure this Migraine. If not, the 4.6 will! I'm not worried.
DrFill
I am simply in love with this car and will almost certainly buy one this fall.
lenscap,
We'll just have to see because just like the GS, the media is saying something different, a 252hp version of the GS300's V6 is what they're saying, but we shall see. I think 315hp in this body will spell trouble for BMW and Infiniti in particular, at least for a year or so. Keeping the interest up is Lexus' problem, because any car they launch will be hot at first.
M
You're right though, until the 3.5 is confirmed at the NY Auto Show I guess it is just speculation regardless of the sources I have heard/read it from. We'll just have to wait and see.
The idea that lux has to include such useless trim pieces as a wood and leather (as opposed to just leather) steering wheel and gobs of wood-veneered accent panels is pretty silly I think. Metal and (dare I say it) carbon and other inserts are every bit as luxurious, IMO, provided it's done well. I think Audi has proved that consistently, as has VW IIRC.
Besides, this is supposed to be sport-lux. Let's try to have some emphasis on the sport part, sez I.
I told a friend yesterday that between the E90 and the new IS, I think the IS is a better execution of the design idiom. He kind of agreed, noting the the nose of the E90 seemed a better integration of shapes that still maintain strong identity, or words kind of to that effect. I agree. I don't really care much for the E90 nose, but I still agree.
Still looks like they were separated at birth, though. I like the higher cut line on the IS, as the lower one on the E90 gives it something of a wannabe-British look to me.
The front clip on the IS is a major opportunity, I think. The tuners are, I'm sure, hard at work this morning penning concepts for bolt-on replacements and I look forward to their publication!
Not as bad as I feared; not as inspiring as I hoped.
But, units with cloth and no sunroof are the kiss of death, if you are trying to sell...
This was in April of '02, and this car only had 9K miles... and they could not move it.. The Lexus dealer was so desperate, they had it sent out for an aftermarket sunroof (which is why I didn't consider it), and it still wouldn't sell..
They offered it to me for $23,900....
A car-dealer friend of mine, who I had related the story to.. called me a week later, to tell me it was at the auction.. Sold for $18K.. A one year old IS300 with 9K miles..
So, even though I like cloth interior... don't look for any on your local dealer's lot..
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Major bingo there.
Still, I think it would be of value to offer it. Ain't likely to happen, but...
but...there is at least one person in this continent willing to order it!! :-)
Resale values are of no concern to me--I keep my cars for a long time. Resale value considerations such as "what features would most people like" is not a consideration for me.
Now that I'm older, wiser and a bit better off, I don't take exception to ordering. Next go around, I'm perfectly happy to wait ten weeks or so for my perfect personal combination to arrive, and I'm also just fine with not being able to dicker a few hundred off on whatever's on the lot. Edmunds best negotiating practices be damned: my next car is going to be the color, trim and package I want with no more or less accessorizing than I deem fit! ;-)
For you and your brethren, I hope they offer a beautiful solid cloth. My hope is faint, but it's there!
[clink] Here's to you, Doc!
Lexusguy was #1000. [clink] Here's to you, LG!
You can still order it I believe. I don't know if you'll find it on the lots readily though.
I never thought I'd make it to 18! LOL!
Anywho, let me go on record as saying that I WOULD NOT put 315HP in the IS to start!
I would put in 285, to stay ahead of the standard G35 and TL.
THEN upgrade the extra 30HP in 2008, along with any Hybrid they design.
That should be enough to get to 2011.
I DO want a dedicated Sport Pkg. from the jump.
I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
DrFill
As to the IS350, they'd better put in the 315hp motor so as to get over the GS disappointment and keep the interest in Lexus beyond a couple of years. If Lexus is really serious about going for the jugular, they need a big IS release here in the NA market. If they can move 50K IS units in its first year of sale, that will be a major achievement.
Personally, I am planning to buy an IS350 or an e90 Bimmer. I had thought the e90 was going to be Bangle-ized, but BMW did a fine job on the 2006 3-series. Me like the Bimmer 3 more than any other Bimmer. Me will buy a Bimmer 330i unless the IS gets a 300+bhp, then its definitely the IS for me.
And no stinking cloth in my car, ever again... Just me tho'...
*clink*
I am so happy that the new IS has choices of engines (or will have) because that's why I have liked BMW so much: they don't make you move up into a bigger model to get a better engine.
And hallejulah! 6 Speed Manual!!!
Lexus hasn't let me down.... yet....
So is it a 3L in the US, possibly followed by a 3.5?? Or is there going to be a 2.5 in the U.S. too?
As for a retracable hardtop, I say yea. I mean, the 3 series is offered as a sedan, coupe, wagon and convertible, so Lexus needs to have more than one body style.
Overall, I think that it looks gobs better than the 3 series.... and I have to cruise on over to Indy to buy a Lexus, because here in Lafayette, Indiana, all of the rich people buy Cadillac Devilles. Not even Benzes or Bimmers. Sad. No Acura or Infiniti dealers, either. But hey! I could go to Zionsville and check out a Rolls. (I wish)
I'm getting off subject a little.
285? Way unnecessary. The g35 is a tank by comparison. It's ten inches longer than the current IS, and even with the stretch the new IS won't break 180 inches.
If all our talk here about a lighter power plant than the outgoing iron block, and aluminum spread liberally around the platform, holds water, then I'd say they could run the competition without breaking 250 easy. That assumes the handling is at least as good as the current IS.
285 could be up-trim easy!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Articles/articleId=104840#
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The 2.5-liter version delivers 204 horsepower (DIN), while the 3.5-liter will have about 280 horsepower. A new six-speed automatic transmission featuring sequential shift control will be standard.
In the U.S., the IS will use a breathed upon version of the new Avalon's 3.5-liter V-6 and thus wear an IS350 badge. Exact horsepower figures have yet to be confirmed, but we expect slightly more than the Avalon's 280.
http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_geneva/0503_lexus_is- 250/
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"The new cars promise to pack much more punch: Lexus says the V-6 in the new IS 350 will have well over 300 hp..."
DrFill
CYTD sales 2005 (compared to 2004)
Down:
Mercedes down 18% (25000 sales)
Benz SL down 38%
S-Class down 25% (2000 sales)
Lexus LS down 11% (4000 sales)
Sienna down 16%
Jaguar down 29%
Exploder down 30%
F-Series down 15%
Ford GT: 11
Up:
Ford 500 sells 6500 a month
Ford Mustang sells twice that
Mini up 12%
5-series up 10%
Prius up 114%
Scion Xa up 103%
Lexus GS up 75%
3-series sales stable
Ford loses Explorer lawsuit in Texas
31 million awarded to families of two teens killed in Explorer rollover.
Teens ejected from vehicle. Had been drinking at school ceremony, but well under legal limit.
Were not wearing seatbelts. Missed sharp turn off highway and went offroad into rollover.
Glass was normal tempered, not laminated says prosecution. This is what caused the deaths.
15 million to each family.
DrFill
Doc, not to pee on the charcoal at your natal-day BBQ, but a 75% GS increase over nearly nothing is still pretty small. [ducks] A brand new model ought to do exactly what the GS is doing. I'd expect the LS's numbers to do the same at its next intro.
The number for the xA doesn't surprise me. It took a while to catch on, but I think this was the best offering from Scion prior to the tC. And it's middle-aged farts like me who are buying it (go figure)!
The Prius numbers prove Barnum's axiom, IMO, but kudos to Toyota for seizing the opportunity anyway.
The nifty indicator here to my mind is the 3-series. This is an aging model on the very eve of its complete revamp and the sales aren't nose-diving. And this is in the face of supposed competition from bigger cars in the same price range. My theory remains that the TL and G35 aren't really direct competitors to the 3 at all. One completely new, on-fire-selling Honda, and a newer Nissan in the range, and the war horse on its way out is still more than pulling its weight. That's impressive.
Then again, it's only March!
Is this a mistake? Did anyone else read about an upcoming IS Wagon? It sounds too good to be true and I will my excitement until I read about an IS wagon elesewhere.
Elvis is Still Alive! A Future IS wagon is still alive! I think both statements are equally probable in happening.
A future IS wagon would make me re-consider my future 3 series Touring purchase!
Think tall wagon. It's not the touring variant the current SportCross is. The current one (my car) is an IS300 sedan with a backpack, just like the 325iT idea.
If in fact a real sport wagon gets offered, then updates be damned, I'm first in line for a test-drive, and I'll hurt anyone who gets in my way!
]-}