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if they buy back all the lawsuits will be dismissed as frivoulous .
http://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota-shakes-up-a-japanese-tradition-1446057770
But then, I have to say, I love the Toyota (Aisin Seiki) 8 speed A/T!!! Peel me a grape would be paddle shifters !
Outside of a 6/7 speed M/T's one of the best diesel transmissions!
Meanwhile, the discounts are better than advertised!
http://news.yahoo.com/vw-dealers-offer-hefty-discounts-diesel-crisis-keeps-210316443--finance.html
Then again, Nissan dumped the "family" supplier system in Japan 15 years ago and they really aren't blazing many new trails either.
"Diesel technology, which had been seen, especially among European carmakers, as a mainstream solution to helping the industry meet tougher fuel economy and emissions regulations, now looks vulnerable - though it's far from finished.
"Anybody can, with certainty, guess what's going to happen ... This (VW) scandal is not going to make diesel more popular in the United States. This scandal is not going to make diesel more popular in Japan," Nissan Motor CEO Carlos Ghosn told reporters on Wednesday on the opening day of the Tokyo Motor Show."
Hybrid technology to fill autos gap as diesel damaged by VW scandal (Reuters)
As for MB their GLE with the 2.1L diesel is in short supply and no discounts I can find.
Indeed, from a deal point of view, I wish I had ZERO diesels and in the market for 4! The problem is diesels, all of one model year.
So even if I don't buy another diesel (and given the track record of the 2003 Jetta TDI @ 187,000 miles, et al. ) I'm good for a 30 years life cycle and 400,000 miles, for each of the four diesels.
This next article confirms what I said earlier:VW is desperately having to post higher profit (& %) per car!! Cost cuts, especially to the highest % costs, like union labor rates, slashed head count, higher productivity, all of the above & much much more will have to be done.
They have to bottle the energy being released by these explosive (fiasco) conditions ! They need to define the future products. They need to use the avalanche to clear the path to the 2025 visions & targets.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/vw-ceo-we-wont-be-worlds-no-1-automaker-by-2018-every-single-model-under-review/
VW uses the Ad Blue/SCR systems in the 2012 VW Touareg TDI !
That begs the question, why didn't they install the Ad Blue system in the 4 cylinder models if that was more economical and made them compliant?
Indeed, the 800 pound gorilla, in the Savannah: the average American pick up truck/SUV does NOT meet the N0x standards; even as they insist that car diesels should !! With up to 98% gassers, that is the TRUE disengenousness!!! So defacto, just as long as one is getting out of compliance gasser N0x, it is just fine ! ?
I think that is one reason why broader (gasser) testing is totally ignored!
ULSD @ $2.49 / PUG @ $2.69 gal. Articles say prices, relatively are low.
For the MB GLK 350 @ 22 mpg/ 250 BT@ 35 mpg= cpmd: fuel =
7.1 cents versus
12.22 cents.
Or 72% more for gas!
It seems to me, it is not hard to see why they want to kill diesel!?
"Mazda Motor Corp expects delays to the launch of diesel-powered cars in the United States in the wake of the Volkswagen AG emissions test-rigging scandal, but it remains committed to a rollout, a senior executive said.
Kiyoshi Fujiwara, a Mazda managing executive officer in charge of research and development and cost innovation, said media reports that Mazda had given up on diesel's potential use in the U.S. market were untrue."
Mazda expects delays to U.S. diesel car launch after VW scandal (Reuters)
VW has got to love all this FREE PR! Hopefully, given the fiasco, they know how to use it! ?
It looks like the diesel fiasco may have hurt GM. I see new Chevy Cruze diesels selling under $20k with an MSRP of $27k. Except in CA where they are at MSRP and above.
However, Chevrolet prices their diesels Cruzes about $ 6,000 higher than their gas like models. But it does beg the questions : what are the discounts for the gasser (like model) ?
So for example, this is how I know I got the diesels for gasser prices. The exception of course was the MB GLK 250 BT. The cheaper minus -$500 MSRP was reflected in eaches final prices. I only paid the premium on the 2003 Jetts TDI. It was $236.
2015 MY! Diesels despite the brouhaha are still viable & not going away.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/car-reviews/2015-mercedes-benz-c250d-review/
VW has dug themselves into deeper hole.
On the other hand I never thought I woul live to see this! This is a totally HUGE game changer @ EVERY level!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/germany-start-monster-machine-could-152111129.html
We're living two acres of scrub desert - a stellarator will fit here just fine. No waste or radiation, right?
Indeed just thinking about it, the environmental movement is just a kinder and gentler Spanish Inquisition.
LA Times has a story this am about whether the difficulty and expense in producing a legitimate "clean diesel" means it's even viable at all for affordable cars. Kind of a rehash of the Mazda story.
Automakers struggle to bring affordable diesel cars to U.S. market
And here's another story about studies trying to predict the cheat death toll.
Volkswagen's diesel cheating could cause 60 people to die early (Forbes)
According to three dealers briefed on the plan, VW will guarantee the value of certified pre-owned and other used VWs with 2.0-liter diesel engines containing the illegal emissions software in dealer inventory, at prices seen before Sept. 18, when the EPA announced VW’s violations. If any of those vehicles stay in dealer inventory for 60 days or longer, VW will offer to buy them back from dealers."
VW offers dealers a price guarantee on used diesel vehicles (autonews.com)
There's more "goodwill" programs coming.
Hard to say what, if any, longterm damage might occur to the VW name, but I think the reputation of diesel cars in America has been badly hurt.
But to "KILL" diesel, you really have to kill gasoline! Aka, a 42 gal barrel of oil yields 19 gal of (waste) gasoline (historically) to 10 gal of (desired) diesel! ( 13 gal= other)
This "waste portion" launched Rockefeller's Standard Oil in 1870. So, both diesel & gasoline have been dying for at least 146 years . Still, there are no real substitutes for either. Keep in mind electric vehicles have been around for easily 146 years (1828) also. The world civilization killer app would be a process that will refine or convert only diesel or gas . NADA in 146 years. Anyone that can patent & control that process will be richer than Putin & a load of billionaires combined!
So if the environmentalists can wave the fairy magic wands again and get the Europeans to have 98% gasoline PVF,...infrastructure just like the holier than thou US (PVF) : . Ah yes, lack of math skills cant let em see that far ahead.
Ok, ok ya magically stopped drilling! Where is the natural gas going to come from to run the electrical grids? We all can't live near San Quentin and burn wood! Oops we are working to stop burning wood.
Nothing worth paying premium for if they have low torque and low mpg then before.
Now that diesel cars are no longer slow and smelly, and now that diesel fuel is readily available anywhere, and now that diesel fuel costs no more than regular gasoline (or close to it)----they still have a major problem--turns out they are considerably more expensive then their efficient gasoline cousins.
Simply put, they are at the wrong price point for posting large sales numbers.
As you can see, the Whole Foods model is failing right now for the same reason. You can buy organic at Walmart.
With MB offering diesels at -$500 MSRP, it does not seem to have altered the internal percentage much. If it has, M B has/is not tooting the horn.
I have of course highlighted the GLK 250 BT scenario. To me, it has remained & it is totally obvious, most folks are just fine with paying more; i.e., 72% more in fuel , using more , with way less torque. I mean people are tone DEAF to approximately $10,000 more they would pay over app 12 years & 180,000 miles!
VW without much urging has several models with high diesel take rates & perceived higher prices. Given the latest fiasco, tremendous discounts seem to have no effect on sales, even on gassers. This is really too bad, because if one was/were in the market, this is truly the time to buy !
During 1999–2010, a total of 5,149 deaths from unintentional carbon monoxide poisoning occurred in the United States, an average of 430 deaths per year.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6303a6.htm
Looks like they have a lot of the LUX models around, not many Sport or base models. In the US, about 58% of the new Touaregs on the lots are diesel. When we were looking 2 years ago there were far fewer diesels available. That is a good sign.
One plus as you have noted, the majority, approximately 58 % are TDI's! I would agree, a good sign. The %'s of Porsche TDI's are much less. Both the Porsche Cayenne & the VW Touareg get assembled on the SAME (European) line. I have read & heard more than a few say, it is one of the more European of US market European vehicles, albeit great price/performance ratios. Porsche distinct items/ bits are customized @ another plant. There are premiums for semi to more custom items.
This "platform" is the backbone & nerve center for Porsche's overall sales and GM/Ford/FCA large PU,SUV,CUV like, large profits & economic health.. It seems like just an outlet on the VW side. I do know that that profit per car is way less then Porsches.
While mine may be anecdotal, the 2012 VW Touareg TDI @ 55,000 miles has been flawless.
The more efficient diesels got, it seemed the more they were leaned on by the EPA/CARB. 50 MPG cars and small PUs from VW have been around for 40 years or more. CA on several occasions blocked sales of diesels from VW and Jeep. This fiasco has not helped the cause. Hopefully it will not have the repercussions of the GM diesels from the 1980s.
A lot think I am biased, when half the cars I own are gassers! I have had far more gassers & far many more miles and experience on ...GASSERS.
For example, I have zero issues with the WAG, that PVF diesels might cause 60 respiratory deaths. Aka, look (smell the farts of) @ a VW diesel one day: DIE in another 364 days!! ,?
The "rationale" or what passes as.... It actually makes me laugh. Without data, alarmist to chicken little! Yet ZERO on GASSER figures!!! Another example, ZERO on gasser carbon monoxide deaths!!!! This lack of comparison is a TOTAL lack of credibility! When this is pointed out, there's actually no correction nor credible response. We just get more bias blathered bloviatings & foaming @ the mouth. As if N0x is the only emission. They also want to totally ignore gassers, like PU trucks do not comply with N0x operating limits. The real biases are the 95 to 98% GASSERS.
For me, I'm sure with all wheel drive, I'd still be required to "chain up" (when required by CA Trans) in the mountains. That being true, I'm ok without the mpg penalty.
Let's see---isn't the only other diesel wagon in the USA the BMW 328? Have I got that right?