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(not anytime soon absent Toyota and GM both shooting themselves in the foot)
Just arrived in Chattanooga but haven't had time to chat anyone up about dieselgate. Or the UAW for that matter.
All I care is that Germany continues to supply US with great diesel vehicles. I have yet to see anything from VW that they cheated on the 3.0L diesel in my SUV. The letter I got did not admit any guilt.
Don't know about your vehicle, but some Audi 3L are affected. I saw that VW depreciation has recently stepped up a bit.
The EPA claims all the 3.0 L TDIs from 2009-2016 are not up to snuff. VW claims it is just an allegation, not yet established as is the 2.0L TDI cheating. Audi builds the 3.0L for VW and Porsche. All the same engine.
VW brand sales in the U.S. fell 9% last month.
Just watch how much fines VW will ultimately pay after the political horse trading
Living in Europe for 8 years is different then touring Europe for 8 days
I rather doubt that the German government is real pleased with VW at the moment.
Germany won't ask the US defense sector to leave, it's much cheaper than self-protection, and subsidizes some of the economy - also helps play into the latent guilt most politicos rely on to keep in power.
"Every European country hates USA"
Hogwash, yeah, so much hate while lining up for Mickey D's, Pizza Hut, Coke, American movies and music and clothing and and and. Makes me wonder if someone has actually visited the continent, the real Europe. Some young people will blast out silly things about the evil yanks, but hate, LOLOLOLOL.
There will be no trade war, no sanctions, none of the rest of this dopey babble.
Related, much of Europe isn't a huge help to Toyota or especially Lexus.
This scandal is an extremely ugly business.
I think Shifty is being dramatic though. This isn't a case because the consumer was defrauded. This is a case because the government was tricked. Those egos don't like being fooled.
IMO logically it is much less of a scandal than the recent Toyota and GM safety issues, but logic has no place when the taxpayer is funding the prosecution.
The GM ignition switch is a straw man argument. It's easy to set them up and knock them down, but the two situations aren't similar at all. GM didn't sit down and plan to kill people---VW sat down to defraud you.
Me or the Government ??
I got a highly fuel efficient TDI which gives more mpg and torque then any comparable gasser.
NOX emissions are Government's problem .Neither will I die by driving a TDi because of extra emissions., unlike likely to die from faulty ignition switches of GM cars.
When companies see a fatal flaw and ignore it based on accounting, they might as well be planning to kill people. No straw man.
I have to very grudgingly agree with you !!
IMO logically it is much less of a scandal than the recent Toyota and GM safety issues, but logic has no place when the taxpayer is funding the prosecution.
When companies see a fatal flaw and ignore it based on accounting, they might as well be planning to kill people. No straw man.
Don't forget it was Bosch that put the cheating code in. Did they in fact let VW know? Did VW say Oh Well? Did anyone but a few in that part of the Engineers group know? Bosch is included in the Justice dept lawsuit. I find it all far less incriminating than the pencil pushers at GM deciding to leave the faulty ignition switches in for 13 years, until the body count was so high the courts finally shot them down.
Prosecutors in Stuttgart said they are investigating whether Robert Bosch GmbH employees helped Volkswagen AG rig software to cheat on emissions tests.
The probe is looking at corporate staff at the car-parts maker, which provided VW with the software, but no suspects have been identified, Claudia Krauth, spokeswoman for Stuttgart prosecutors, said in an interview Tuesday.
"In the wake of what was reported about the emissions case at Volkswagen, we concluded that someone must have produced the software," said Krauth. "It was obvious which company came into question."
That is exactly it. CNN reports "DOZENS of owners being upset". Not very many with 480K sold. Of course a person would like to get their money all back after driving their 4 year old Audi TDI 80k miles. I wonder how many will give them up in trade for a VW gasser? I know I would not even think of it.
Just like how hybrid and EV owners pretend to be "clean", just don't think how and where the batteries are made.
We all have some disdain for the rule of law in the country we reside in. VW just did it the wrong way, cheated instead of lobbied.
Today, the company said that it has delivered 9,930,600 units worldwide for the full year of 2015, down from a record 10.1 million in 2014.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2016/01/08/toyota-again-worlds-largest-automaker-as-volkswagen-concedes/
Any good defense Attorney will tell you that the first rule of defense is never admit to your guilt. Let the prosecution prove with facts and evidence. When $48 BILLION in fines is involved, it is prudent to be lawyered up. VW made the mistake of admitting that it had put cheating devices. There is no way anyone can prove those devices without going to the actual source code and that is an industrial secret well guarded by Bosch/VW
J&J got some flack for "caving" back in the Tylenol scare but they very effectively protected their reputation with their quick recall actions.
I think VW caved in right away because they knew they would be proven guilty, and they'd like to get all this behind them ASAP. A long, drawn out investigation, and continued stonewalling in the face of certain defeat made no sense to them apparently.
As for VW, they got caught red handed by independent testing. I don't think they would have admitted it otherwise. They now just need to clean it up quickly before it soils the brands.
As for diesels, I think the US market still kind of thinks of them as dirty, smelly and noisy, even though its not as true anymore. But this incident won't help. It just moves the needle more toward hybrids here probably.
It is never too late to regroup your defense strategy. They are now stonewalling and refuse to provide emails and documents and the source code for the car's fuel computer. They can litigate this matter in international courts with multiple appeals till the cows come home and USA racks up millions in taxpayer funded legal fees.
Makes you wonder if they've retooled some of their lines to make gassers or if those factory lines are idle, or have reduced production numbers. Maybe VW is trying to dump US spec diesels on other countries.
Not a lot of motivation to drag out the legal mess unless they intend to walk away from that market here.
Kind of wish they would, and just focus on the gassers until they get their hybrids and EVs going better.