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We have short memories! During the WJ Clinton POTUS administration, they chose COAL for China's rapid economic transformation! So we don't have to look too much past Washington DC for the absurdity of which you speak.
El Paso Electric sent out a notice last month saying that none of our power came from coal any longer. The idiots invested in a nuke plant over in AZ though even though they don't send any of that power out way. The waste could wind up at WIPP though. More "clean" energy.
At Long Last, Hybrid Gains Cost Advantage Over Diesel, Top Electrification Guru Says (Forbes)
Off your topic, but on diesel topic, I've liked their Aisin 8 speed AT on the VW Torareg TDI !
While this post might be off-topic, I thought that a wiki post of the USA demography might be of interest.
While this a little older, I've read the average age of a Honda Civc purchaser is approximately 44 years old. https://www.cars.com/articles/2008/01/down-economy-mo/
Meet the fogie @ now ...48 years old!? (even this article was at least eight years old)
Moving along...2015...
..."The average new car buyer is now 51.7 years old and earns about $80,000 per year, while the average age of the population is 36.8 years old and the median income is roughly $50,000, Szakaly said..."http://www.autonews.com/article/20150804/RETAIL03/150809938/car-buyers-getting-older-richer-nada-economist-says
I'm thinking that IF the TDI market is 5% of the PVF, (13.74 M), certain oems will continue to service it. Remember if European & world wide PVF's' are 50% or more TDI's preparing TDI's for US markets makes product adaptability sense.
Germany has a ‘coal conundrum’. How do we explain the recent boom in lignite coal? Is Germany building new brown coal fired power plants to replace nuclear energy?
http://coalrush.net/germany/
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2014/02/140211-germany-plans-to-raze-towns-for-brown-coal/
https://cleantechnica.com/2016/02/13/germany-the-coal-exit/
"Americans might find it hard to believe that roughly every other car bought by Europeans is powered by a diesel engine, but the fallout from the Volkswagen dieselgate scandal and worries about health threats has started a trend which could see that share slashed to about one in 4 by 2020."
Diesel Sales Stumble In Europe, Undermined By VW Scandal, Health Worries (Forbes)
So is there anyone here think the other 49 states & other grid customers will let (free) prices operate ?
Today coal produces more than 40 percent of the world’s electricity, a foundation of modern life. And that percentage is going up: In the past decade, coal added more to the global energy supply than any other source.
Many energy and climate researchers believe that CCS is vital to avoiding a climate catastrophe. Because it could allow the globe to keep burning its most abundant fuel source while drastically reducing carbon dioxide and soot, it may be more important—though much less publicized—than any renewable-energy technology for decades to come. No less than Steven Chu, the Nobel-winning physicist who was US secretary of energy until last year, has declared CCS essential. “I don’t see how we go forward without it,” he says.
https://www.wired.com/2014/03/clean-coal/
So will the Europeans slash the tax on gas to encourage a switch? So far hybrids cannot compete with diesel except for those that hyper mile. Like was mentioned get back to us when a Hybrid SUV/PU can tow 7000 lbs and get great mileage doing it.
Yes, the very thing they want to encourage (site energy self sufficiency)! Now they're see as a crime ! Wind & solar also have HUGE NIMBY factors? So for example, IF I wanted to spend $30,000 for a bare bones solar system, not including permits & environmental impact studies, the city would NOT grant the permit! It will also cost thousands to hook up to sell excess electricity to the power company. I'd be trying to get $1,000 per year electricity bill covered. It's pretty easy to see 30 plus years to B/E. The true feelings are there for to see. Then the energy franchisee HIGHLY penalize their remaining customers?!
Another cheating problem ? http://www.wsj.com/articles/lawmakers-probe-tax-incentives-received-by-solar-energy-firms-1473967056
This says nothing about finding places to inject the enormous volumes of CO2 involved. Not easy.
2018 Ford F-150 TDI ? 440 # ft! 9/10 speed A/T? 3.0 TDI by way of Land /Range Rover!
Interesting diesel gate https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-volkswagen-leave-dieselgate-behind-034038516.html
"THE VW DIESEL CRISIS »
VW diesel-cheat probe widens in U.S. to include Bosch, report says
Supplier IAV also may be part of investigation, source says
September 16, 2016 @ 1:37 pm
Tom Schoenberg and Alan Katz
Bloomberg
....Among the questions the Justice Department is asking in the criminal probe, one of them said, is whether automakers in addition to VW used Bosch software to skirt environmental standards. Bosch, which is also under U.S. civil probe and German inquiry, is cooperating in investigations...."
Much more at the link.
Daimler’s Mercedes-Benz has no 2017 diesel models listed among the more than 50 entries on the EPA’s fueleconomy.gov website. For 2016, the 70-plus models included the diesel-powered GL350 Bluetec SUV and E250 Bluetec sedan. The brand hasn’t announced a date for any diesel models to go on sale.
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Another math challenged article?
Here's an easy 19 year hypothetical USA problem. The PVF is (2014) 274.8 M. Sales are 17 M cars per yr. How many EVs or percentage of EVs per year need/s to be sold to reach 50% of 2014 PVF?
Harder issue? average vehicle fleet age 11.5 years old. You know what they say of reality.
The realities to the US market TDI owners are nowhere near the hype! 2009 VW Jetta is essentially getting ($12,975 total) KBB @ 09/2015, plus $ 5,100 emissions penalty ($12,975), plus (a tbd) other penalties composed of two parts, for buy back. This is less than fair, even if you do not still need a commute car: despite lower cpmd: depreciation.
IF one still needs a commute car, it make sense to keep the affected TDI. Owners get the emissions penalty ($5,100). The emissions penalty ($5,100) @ $ 2.67, 40mpg buys 76,404 commute miles. When one gets the TBD "FIXED"approval, it will carry a 120,000 miles emissions warranty. CARB bi-annual pass inspections will be honored, all things being equal.
At this writing, articles indicate only a minority (40%) have signed up for the buyback. I do not want to get penalized because VW & EPA/CARB, et al. are involved in an enormous snit. Basically, both were involved in a (VW) lied and (EPA/CARB et al) SWORE to it scenario! The other issue is EPA/CARB want to take advantage of boths stupid moves to kill diesels !
So for example, I do not want to lose the taxes ($1,000) already paid but with amortization left on the old TDI. Then, buying a new car, I'd have to pay new taxes, prematurely. ($2,500 = approximately 10% to get a new vehicle= minus - $3,500) Depending on how you figure it, the tax savings alone will pay approximately 37,453 to 52,435 miles of commuting, 40mpg @ 2.67 per gal. ULSD.
To: Unless VW sells its CNG vehicles in US markets, the article is totally N/A !
"Audi head of development will be suspended this coming week as part of the investigation into an emissions scandal, Bild am Sonntag reported citing sources.
Investigations by Jones Day have shown that Stefan Knirsch, an Audi board member, knew about the use of cheat software in 3.0 liter diesel engines and gave a false promise under oath, the paper said on Sunday.
Knirsch has already been asked to clear his desk, it said.
Audi has admitted that its 3.0 liter V6 diesel engine was fitted with emissions-control software, deemed as illegal in the United States where the scandal has engulfed VW."
As a comparison, one has got to be TOTALLY naïve, if one believes that the current GM CEO Barra was totally oblivious to the past GM brouhaha/s ! The (smart) actions were to put the brouhaha/s in bankruptcy & put legal misers in charge of paying squat for the folks injured or killed either before, during or after the cover ups!? So would one also believe that unions did NOT know about the brouhaha/s!? Come on guys, I mean really: do you know who was prosecuted for all of this ? One guy? ...named JACK s---?
As most folks know, the United States government made BOAT LOADS of money, bailing this one auto company OUT (too BIG to fail). Large portions of ownership, plus board seats were given to the big unions, as part of the bail out. So as you can see even the United States government makes use of its own bankruptcy laws!? (to make BOAT LOADS of monies)
So same for VW, the yeoman's work will be to save as much of the $18 billion set aside for the brouhaha/s!
?? The news story shows the opposite to be true.
Oh yes! The National Inquirer reports about those seeing aliens too!?
Here is one piece of PRICELESS GM news!!
The union bosses striking the... union bosses!http://www.wsj.com/articles/union-head-says-canadian-workers-will-strike-gm-if-monday-contract-deadline-missed-1474053935
Getting back to diesels....
So for example, if I let VW do the "fix", VW takes the unknown $ fix hit. We get 120,000 miles emissions warranty. We will still use it for (15,000 miles) commute & total of 18,000 miles per year.
But, VW SAVES the 09/2015 KBB $ hit. Sure, I should get the $5,100 emissions penalty, BUT it is nowhere close to the $25,000 (each) set aside for the "diesel gate" brouhaha. I've also received the $1,300 IRS tax credit, $1,000 & roadside assist GW package.
So projected, that is $7,400 +. I also project @ 290,000 miles, I should also get back a minimum of $5,000. Given (20,000 new) $7,600 loss/ 290,000 miles cpmd: depreciation will be app .0262 cents.
Now I certainly would've liked $37,815. back, i.e. VW pays me $17,815 to drive the car for 145,000 miles...... IF i did the math correctly, that is a 83.9 % discount. ( buy back @ 12975 would be 65.7% discount.)
"The Detroit News provides further information: “In a plea agreement with the government signed August 31 by Liang, 62, of Newbury Park, California, prosecutors say in exchange for his agreement to cooperate with the government, it agrees not to use new information about Liang’s own criminal conduct against him at sentencing."
He pled guilty to conspiracy meaning he's going to name names. (cleantechnica.com)
In VW's case, they already fessed to $ 18 B (/475,000 = $37,815 per unit) set aside for US market diesel- gate. So I might ask: why am I getting only $6,100 (the 83.9 % discount) , if these guys are guilty as sin ? :@
It's pretty clear that there wasn't just one engineer behind the cheat. There may have been more than one company involved too. We'll be another decade sorting it all out.
"The EU Commission has decided that Volkswagen “violated consumer protection laws in most of the EU member states,” Commissioner Věra Jourová said." (Forbes)