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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682
    fintail said:

    There was also an Eldo Brougham in 59, very understated for the time, showing where Caddy would be in a few years:

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    I think the Eldo Broughams might have been the first cars with narrow band whitewalls.

    Wow, that pic threw me for a loop, I thought it had to be a 1961 model because of the modest fins and the shape of the windshield but itlacks the lower fin that '61s had so I did some surfing and came up w this a 1959 Eldroado Brougham Pininfarina>



    The brochure doesn't mention Pininfarina's involvement which is odd, since by then they were recognized as the premier design house but you can see their flash emblem just ahead of the door. The restrained form compared to regular Eldos just about shouts Italian design and you're correct in stating that this car which only sold a few hundred presaged the handsomer Caddys of the 60s.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    So I'm a bit confused. What makes a Cadillac a Biarritz vs a Brougham? Seems like they may have had both for 57/58?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682
    Berri, you aren't the only one confused. :s:s :

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    OK, I've done some research and am still not totally clear, but here goes for 57/58: Biarritz appears to be a top line convertible and possibly coupe (although in 59 the Eldorado coupe was a Seville). The Brougham was the top of the line 4 door. Then there is Fleetwood. This model line seems to have bounced around a bit, but basically is a top line on an extended wheelbase (sedan and limo). But I'm welcoming input from anyone with better knowledge!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,747
    edited September 2017
    berri said:

    OK, I've done some research and am still not totally clear, but here goes for 57/58: Biarritz appears to be a top line convertible and possibly coupe (although in 59 the Eldorado coupe was a Seville). The Brougham was the top of the line 4 door. Then there is Fleetwood. This model line seems to have bounced around a bit, but basically is a top line on an extended wheelbase (sedan and limo). But I'm welcoming input from anyone with better knowledge!

    Now that you have that, explain the short deck business jumping from various models to models and the Park Avenues. That was the early, early 60s. LOL
    I remember the first Park Avenue I saw at a car show a few years ago. I didn't even remember that Cadillac had a Park Avenue. I had to go home and look up the history.

    http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-american/curbside-classic-1963-cadillac-park-avenue-the-original-seville/

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,755
    I've always thought Brougham was the super duper low production top of the line - these cars were 10K+ in the late 50s. Biarritz was the normal top of the line coupes/convertibles, Fleetwood was the normal top of the line for sedans.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Now that you have that, explain the short deck business

    Forgot all about that Fleetwood 60 Special Ima. I think it was more a 60's thing, but I always liked the greenhouse and formal C pillar on them.

    Fin, I think the terminology and verbiage could vary from some years to others. Brand management I suppose B)
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682
    Look alikes?



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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,046
    headlights a little, but not at all close to me otherwise.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 267,334
    Probably better to show the Q50 and G70 side by side.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well you're going to see the "Audi Arc" (at the driprails) on most modern cars---blame it all on the Audi TT if you rankle at the repetitiveness of modern car design.

    So what's a designer to do? He can a) go retro; b) he can do a Full Honda Type R or c) he can fiddle around the edges.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,755
    I don't see an Audi arc so much as an Audi grille.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    ...aka - the bass mouth ;)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    You don't see the Audi Arc displayed quite as obviously in a 4-door, since it developed in the TT originally. But it was a ground-breaking design for rooflines.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682




    I'd say the Infiniti roof line owes more to BMW than to Audi (there's that Kinky kink again)

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 270,648
    Seen in Portugal.  What is it?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,046
    Looks like a catarham 7?

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682
    stickguy said:

    Looks like a catarham 7?

    Unless it's a Lotus Seven

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 267,334
    andys120 said:


    Ferrari 308 GTS - Magnum's car, only yellow.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    andys120 said:





    I'd say the Infiniti roof line owes more to BMW than to Audi (there's that Kinky kink again)

    Oh, I was referring to the roof arc, not how the roof resolves into the C pillar. Audi was the first IIRC, to take a car roof and bend it like a playing card into a shallow semi-circle.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682


    Ferrari 308 GTS - Magnum's car, only yellow.

    Yup, it's a Ferrari 308 GTS. They had a name for that color, do you recall it?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,046
    Fly yellow?

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682
    edited September 2017

    Oh, I was referring to the roof arc, not how the roof resolves into the C pillar. Audi was the first IIRC, to take a car roof and bend it like a playing card into a shallow semi-circle.

    I see, actually I owned a '98 A4 that had the "arc". I used to think of it as "Audi's perfect arch"




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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,046
    hey, that's a Nas car there!

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,346
    edited September 2017
    andys120 said:
    94 or so Pontiac Grand Prix 
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682

    94 or so Pontiac Grand Prix

    Pretty close, it's a 1992 Pontiac GP/Richard Petty Edition (hence the 43/Nascar decals)

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,247
    fintail said:

    I get a strong early 2000s Lancer vibe from the C-pillar, rear lights, and wheels:

    image

    Thank you guys!! I almost forgot about this post. Looking at the video and your stock photo, it sure appears to be a match. I've passed this on to the victim, with a link to this discussion. I told my friend who sent this to me that you guys are REALLY good, and this was a pretty amazing identification. Mitsubishi wasn't even on the list of guesses before this.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 270,648
    andys120 said:


    '67 Grand Prix?

    455 emblems!

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682
    A little off, it's a 1968 Pontiac Grand Prix but good eye on the 455 emblems (on the rockers behind the wheel).

    The Pontiac Rallye II wheels were a popular option. Spokes were chromed on most versions.

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    edited September 2017
    455? Try again.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 270,648
    On my phone now. Can't read it. Just tell us. 

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    428
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,239
    edited September 2017
    Kirstie_H said:

    fintail said:

    I get a strong early 2000s Lancer vibe from the C-pillar, rear lights, and wheels:

    image

    Thank you guys!! I almost forgot about this post. Looking at the video and your stock photo, it sure appears to be a match. I've passed this on to the victim, with a link to this discussion. I told my friend who sent this to me that you guys are REALLY good, and this was a pretty amazing identification. Mitsubishi wasn't even on the list of guesses before this.









    I think its great you guys can do this - I guess not many people hold up banks driving 1950-1975 European cars so I'm less likely to be of assistance - unless Miss Marple gets in touch...
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 270,648
    lostwrench1 said:

    428

    Ah.. that makes sense. I might need a new monitor. ;)

    What was the special Grand Prix? SJ?

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    kyfdx said:

    lostwrench1 said:

    428

    Ah.. that makes sense. I might need a new monitor. ;)

    What was the special Grand Prix? SJ?
    It wasn't a matter of seeing 4 2 8, those numbers are unclear on my monitor too.
    It was thinking that 455 seemed to be too large a number and finding that the largest for the GP that year was 428.
    SJ was a trim level.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,346
    edited September 2017
    andys120 said:
    94 or so Pontiac Grand Prix Pretty close, it's a 1992 Pontiac GP/Richard Petty Edition (hence the 43/Nascar decals)
    My buddy had a 98 Daytona Pace Car Grand Prix.  Decent car for the times with the 3800 supercharged engine.   

    My 2000 Solara I had at the time was light years nicer inside, but not quite as quick. 
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    So its looks or function -sounds like I'm dating again ;)
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682
    On this one pick a lane and call 'em out....



    The right hand lane is led by a 1961 Buick sedan, 4-porter (Roadmaster?). Behind it is a nice
    '64 Dodge in light teal followed by a 1960 Olds flat-top. The cube truck is a Dodge.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,755
    edited September 2017
    63 Country Squire, lower right. I'll give others a chance for the rest :)
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,419
    55 Fords in row 2 and 5. 59 Ford in row 3.
  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,625
    Notice the two black ‘56 (I think) Dodges, one in the second from right lane and the other in the second from left lane. They look like twins, except that the latter one has no hood ornament. I am uncertain what the significance of that is (e.g., it fell off). Any insights?

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,747
    Doesn't the "V" ornament denote V8 while the absence means the 6-cylinder is under the hood for that era Dodge/Plymouth?

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,625
    imidazol97 said:

    Doesn't the "V" ornament denote V8 while the absence means the 6-cylinder is under the hood for that era Dodge/Plymouth?

    That’s possible, but almost all Dodges of that era had a V-8. I think you could only get a six in the base trim model, and this one looks more upscale that that.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,682
    Second lane from right of pic is headed by a 1963 Plymouth which is just ahead of the black
    '55/'56 w no "V" on the front that's followed by a '61 Chevy which might be a "bubbletop" and a older Chevy, can't tell if it's a '55 or '56.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,755
    Chevy behind the 61 looks like a 56 to me.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Couple of 63 Dodge's (lane 1 and 3) and a 64(lane 3). 64 Mercury in lane 5.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,177
    edited October 2017
    '63 Doge on the left looks like the one we had. 
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