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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I had an idea to revive NASCAR by putting the beer concession between the spectators and the track itself.
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 31,975
    And it is black Honda slipping between blue Impala and silver Genesis, not it's high rider truck cutting in front of maroon Cadillac....oh wait, I think I see little red Miata getting ready to change mind and come out of the turn lane and race ahead of beige Corolla to go straight through. Black Dodge Charger has left signal on but seems to be going straight through causing cars to bunch up and leave a space just in case........my oh my, tune in tomorrow to watch the action on the Crazy 8 Slip and Slide Interchange.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,646
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    oldfarmer50 said:

    Here's a question. What value would you put on a private party used car having complete maintaince records.? I don't think I'd go over asking price but a clean maintaince history would be reassuring. I might offer 10% more for one with records than one without.

    What say you guys? PP is such a crap shoot.

    I have always viewed maintenance records as a "selling tool", of benefit to the seller, but not the buyer in the sense of requiring him to pay a premium for such records. One expects any decent car to have service records. IMO it's not an add-on.

    If it were a "classic car", then such things as one-owner, or the car's "provenance" does add value, but not on modern used cars.
    I guess on a classic car those records could make or break the deal but I was referring to regular old transportation types.

    You say you would expect those records on any car. Would you walk away if they weren't available? Most car sellers don't have any records that I know of that's why I would va.ue one that did. It would tell you if they took care of things and how long they owned it.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 31,975
    cdnpinhead said:

    ab348 said:

    This may be helpful:
    http://www.virginiadot.org/info/resources/round/Differences_between_Modern_Roundabouts_and_Old_Traffic_Circles.pdf

    Interesting, indeed. When I lived in Edmonton in the early '70s, where there are traffic circles all over the place, I recall them being operated in the "modern" fashion. Also in the Boston area, where they call them rotaries. Anyway, a nice presentation of days gone by, or at least I hope it's all gone by now everywhere.

    I lived in Edmonton in 1968 and I forgot about the huge turn about circle just north of the municipal airport. In the winter the exhaust clouds were so bad when it was -20F you could hardly see where you were going, let alone drive thru a roustabout.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,324
    driver100 said:
    Wouldn't the cars in the roundabout have the right of way, and cars entering must yield to those already in? At St Armands Circle in Sarasota it gets complicated by crosswalks as cars leave the circle...and those cars have to stop for pedestrians. I think it could be easier for cars to end up going the wrong way on the Divergent Diamond......we get quite a few drivers who do that on I-75 and other highways now. A lot of people here in Florida, us included, try to do as little driving as possible in the night time hours.
    There is this one roundabout a bit of a distance from me that's in the middle of farmland. The strange thing is that it's not at an intersection, there is no cross road there. Now they did make entrances for it for a future cross road but they did that four or five years ago and there is no signs of anyone building anything else to connect to this roundabout. 

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,324
    houdini1 said:
    We have a couple of local roundabouts (wife calls them roustabouts) on streets just running north and south or east and west with no other side streets. Doesn't seem to make much sense unless expecting side streets in the future. I guess they could be to just slow traffic down, but speed bumps would work better and be a lot cheaper.
    There is a residential neighborhood near me that has a small roundabout at every other intersection on the side streets. This is done to slow traffic and to discourage cutting through the neighborhood to avoid traffic 

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 31,975
    oldfarmer50 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    oldfarmer50 said:

    Here's a question. What value would you put on a private party used car having complete maintaince records.? I don't think I'd go over asking price but a clean maintaince history would be reassuring. I might offer 10% more for one with records than one without.

    What say you guys? PP is such a crap shoot.

    I have always viewed maintenance records as a "selling tool", of benefit to the seller, but not the buyer in the sense of requiring him to pay a premium for such records. One expects any decent car to have service records. IMO it's not an add-on.

    If it were a "classic car", then such things as one-owner, or the car's "provenance" does add value, but not on modern used cars.
    I guess on a classic car those records could make or break the deal but I was referring to regular old transportation types.

    You say you would expect those records on any car. Would you walk away if they weren't available? Most car sellers don't have any records that I know of that's why I would va.ue one that did. It would tell you if they took care of things and how long they owned it.

    I would think it is an advantage to have the service records in the car. I tend to keep them in the case with the manual just to have if needed in the future. If I was buying a used car I would definitely prefer to see the service invoices....gives some idea of who did the service, how regular, what has been done lately.

    I definitely keep stuff like that, I even save VISA bills in a drawer...when they add up they are saved in a shoe box....just in case. I don't tell my wife, I am sure she throws hers out as soon as she gets them. I know, if I threw one out that would be the one time I would need it.....it would be my proof of my whereabouts at that particular time on that particular day :@

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 31,975
    snakeweasel said:


    houdini1 said:

    We have a couple of local roundabouts (wife calls them roustabouts) on streets just running north and south or east and west with no other side streets. Doesn't seem to make much sense unless expecting side streets in the future. I guess they could be to just slow traffic down, but speed bumps would work better and be a lot cheaper.

    There is a residential neighborhood near me that has a small roundabout at every other intersection on the side streets. This is done to slow traffic and to discourage cutting through the neighborhood to avoid traffic 

    Excellent way to slow down traffic in a residential neighborhood.......without using those nasty on the suspension speed bumps.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,081
    edited December 2017
    driver100 said:

    suydam said:

    Roundabouts are very common in many countries. I think it’s us Americans who do t know how to deal with them! I like them especially compared to a traffic light. Traffic flows more efficiently.

    Except, I have seen people come in, not slow down....they just enter at full speed and get off at full speed, I don't think they understand the concept.
    Clearly, many don't, and not just oldsters either. One of the worst roundabouts here is on a new suburban road which has shopping plazas on your right and also on your left. The "arms" of the rundabout are supposed to take you to either of those. But because the circle is so small, people can see the mall entrance on their left as they enter the roundabout. A common problem then becomes drivers not knowing any better or not understanding the concept and making a left (going the wrong way through the roundabout for 1/4 of its distance) if they don't see oncoming traffic and entering the mall directly.

    ETA: Found a video of this happening!
    https://imgur.com/eND15Nf

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,139
    I love roundabouts, anything to get away from 4 way stops and poorly managed signals. It makes driving in Europe that much better.

    Sadly, given the state of driver training (only getting worse in WA now that it is fully privatized) in Murka, they are often hated and are uncommon, and we are doomed to more stop signs and idiotically managed lights.

    Those small residential variants are common in older neighborhoods in Seattle.

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,327
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    I had an idea to revive NASCAR by putting the beer concession between the spectators and the track itself.

    I think it would be more interesting if you put the track between the spectators and the beer concession. :'(

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 31,975
    edited December 2017
    snakeweasel said:


    houdini1 said:

    We have a couple of local roundabouts (wife calls them roustabouts) on streets just running north and south or east and west with no other side streets. Doesn't seem to make much sense unless expecting side streets in the future. I guess they could be to just slow traffic down, but speed bumps would work better and be a lot cheaper.

    There is a residential neighborhood near me that has a small roundabout at every other intersection on the side streets. This is done to slow traffic and to discourage cutting through the neighborhood to avoid traffic 

    Excellent way to slow down traffic in a residential neighborhood.......without using those nasty on the suspension speed bumps.
    ab348 said:

    driver100 said:

    suydam said:

    Roundabouts are very common in many countries. I think it’s us Americans who do t know how to deal with them! I like them especially compared to a traffic light. Traffic flows more efficiently.

    Except, I have seen people come in, not slow down....they just enter at full speed and get off at full speed, I don't think they understand the concept.
    Clearly, many don't, and not just oldsters either. One of the worst roundabouts here is on a new suburban road which has shopping plazas on your right and also on your left. The "arms" of the rundabout are supposed to take you to either of those. But because the circle is so small, people can see the mall entrance on their left as they enter the roundabout. A common problem then becomes drivers not knowing any better or not understanding the concept and making a left (going the wrong way through the roundabout for 1/4 of its distance) if they don't see oncoming traffic and entering the mall directly.

    ETA: Found a video of this happening!
    https://imgur.com/eND15Nf
    The video is incredible....kind of like the kind of thing I would see down here almost every day. How could that driver possibly think he could go the wrong way on a roundabout. Should be an immediate loss of his license.

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,348
    oldfarmer50 said:


    You say you would expect those records on any car. Would you walk away if they weren't available? Most car sellers don't have any records that I know of that's why I would va.ue one that did. It would tell you if they took care of things and how long they owned it.

    If I was looking at a performance car with no records I would definitely walk. Back in 1995 I looked at a 1988 E30 M3. The only thing the moron owner could tell me was "I change the oil every 3,000 miles." I asked when the brake fluid was last changed and I got the deer in the headlights look. I walked.

    On every one of my cars(except the i3) I have a folder containing every service and/or part receipt- along with a spiral notebook that lists fuel consumption records as well as the date and mileage of every service or repair.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 17,348
    driver100 said:

    snakeweasel said:


    houdini1 said:

    We have a couple of local roundabouts (wife calls them roustabouts) on streets just running north and south or east and west with no other side streets. Doesn't seem to make much sense unless expecting side streets in the future. I guess they could be to just slow traffic down, but speed bumps would work better and be a lot cheaper.

    There is a residential neighborhood near me that has a small roundabout at every other intersection on the side streets. This is done to slow traffic and to discourage cutting through the neighborhood to avoid traffic 
    Excellent way to slow down traffic in a residential neighborhood.......without using those nasty on the suspension speed bumps.
    ab348 said:

    driver100 said:

    suydam said:

    Roundabouts are very common in many countries. I think it’s us Americans who do t know how to deal with them! I like them especially compared to a traffic light. Traffic flows more efficiently.

    Except, I have seen people come in, not slow down....they just enter at full speed and get off at full speed, I don't think they understand the concept.
    Clearly, many don't, and not just oldsters either. One of the worst roundabouts here is on a new suburban road which has shopping plazas on your right and also on your left. The "arms" of the rundabout are supposed to take you to either of those. But because the circle is so small, people can see the mall entrance on their left as they enter the roundabout. A common problem then becomes drivers not knowing any better or not understanding the concept and making a left (going the wrong way through the roundabout for 1/4 of its distance) if they don't see oncoming traffic and entering the mall directly.

    ETA: Found a video of this happening!
    https://imgur.com/eND15Nf
    The video is incredible....kind of like the kind of thing I would see down here almost every day. How could that driver possibly think he could go the wrong way on a roundabout. Should be an immediate loss of his license.

    As I've noted before, if I drive through a neighborhood and encounter speed bumps I assume that it is a very dangerous area- so I usually blow my horn at every speed bump for five seconds to warn everyone- ten to fifteen seconds if it is after 10:00 pm.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,385
    I’m sure the native seattlite drivers will handle this quite well. 
    2022 Tesla Model Y Performance, 2018 BMW M240i Convertible, 2015 Audi Q5 TDI
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,327
    edited December 2017
    Sometimes those type snows are the worst for accidents. When do you expect the snow plow? Love all those evergreens.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,385
    houdini1 said:
    Sometimes those type snows are the worst for accidents. When do you expect the snow plow? Love all those evergreens.
    Snow plow?!  I think there’s like 2 in all of western Washington...
    2022 Tesla Model Y Performance, 2018 BMW M240i Convertible, 2015 Audi Q5 TDI
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,147
    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 31,975
    imidazol97 said:

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.

    +1

    Don't forget to leave out an egg nog and cookies!

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,504
    Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    28firefighter said:

    I’m sure the native seattlite drivers will handle this quite well. 

    The HILLS in Seattle are a killer when it snows! Lots of hills here on the Eastside that can be nasty too!
  • pensfan83pensfan83 Member Posts: 2,555
    edited December 2017
    Just got all the gifts packed under the tree so we are set. On Tuesday my wife and myself leave for a 4 day getaway to a resort in the Laurel Highlands as our gift to each other. Spa treatments for her and a casino for me. 

    I hope everyone here has a very Merry Christmas!
    1997 Honda Prelude Base - 2022 Acura MDX Type S Advance - 2021 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road - 2006 BMW 330Ci ZHP
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,385
    Merry Christmas to all of my friends here who celebrate!

    Everyone else, enjoy your movies and Chinese food!
    2022 Tesla Model Y Performance, 2018 BMW M240i Convertible, 2015 Audi Q5 TDI
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,905
    venture said:
    Good grief
    Yep Christmas is old news... most major retailer will have  Spring and Val day ready to roll by 12/29.  

    2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve

  • murphydogmurphydog Member Posts: 735
    Just drove home from Bothell to North Seattle. Several instances of people parking in the ditch, Suburbans and Mustangs. One I was able to get around the terrified Subaru driver who was going 2~3 MPH on flat ground I was fine. I was amused watching a Prius driver back up on Lake City and 145th (a major intersection). I was surprised that people simply dodged around him without honking.

    Anyway home safe and sound. Have a Merry Christmas all!
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,385
    murphydog said:
    Just drove home from Bothell to North Seattle. Several instances of people parking in the ditch, Suburbans and Mustangs. One I was able to get around the terrified Subaru driver who was going 2~3 MPH on flat ground I was fine. I was amused watching a Prius driver back up on Lake City and 145th (a major intersection). I was surprised that people simply dodged around him without honking. Anyway home safe and sound. Have a Merry Christmas all!
    Good lord. I was out on Aurora earlier and it was a disaster. A Shoreline cop threw me a thumbs up - I can only guess it was because I wasn’t driving like an idiot...

    Thumbs up for the X1’s performance in the snow. 
    2022 Tesla Model Y Performance, 2018 BMW M240i Convertible, 2015 Audi Q5 TDI
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 16,418
    Merry Christmas to all who celebrate!  The force will be strong with our family today!  I can't wait!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD

  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,905
    nyccarguy said:
    Merry Christmas to all who celebrate!  The force will be strong with our family today!  I can't wait!
    Thank you!!!  Well we survived part one of Christmas (the Italian seven fish dinner).  Round two today, with significantly less people. It’s my wife’s birthday too!!

    My kids are still sleeping, but in about a half hour there will be wrapping paper flying everywhere.  

    On another note... enjoy Star Wars, I know many people who loved it!!

    2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,646
    roadburner said:

    oldfarmer50 said:


    You say you would expect those records on any car. Would you walk away if they weren't available? Most car sellers don't have any records that I know of that's why I would va.ue one that did. It would tell you if they took care of things and how long they owned it.

    If I was looking at a performance car with no records I would definitely walk. Back in 1995 I looked at a 1988 E30 M3. The only thing the moron owner could tell me was "I change the oil every 3,000 miles." I asked when the brake fluid was last changed and I got the deer in the headlights look. I walked.

    On every one of my cars(except the i3) I have a folder containing every service and/or part receipt- along with a spiral notebook that lists fuel consumption records as well as the date and mileage of every service or repair.

    Me too except I don't record fuel. I have most work done at my indie shop who can pull up a complete list of services over time. Most people don't.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,513
    I never log fuel. But keep every record in a folder. I’m amazed people don’t do that.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • ventureventure Member Posts: 2,872
    stickguy said:

    I never log fuel. But keep every record in a folder. I’m amazed people don’t do that.

    I put service records in the glove box, but always throw them away when trading the car in. I don't sell privately and I have never had a dealer ask about them.

    I rarely have a car more than about 3 years if that matters.

    2020 Ascent Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport

  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,165
    Michaell said:


    driver100 said:

    Yesterday I picked up my wife at Sarasota Airport. On the way home I had to take University Avenue and then go on I-75 North. I experienced driving through a Diverging Diamond Interchange......you actually switch over and drive on the left side of the road. As if driving isn't crazy enough around here, wait until you try one of these (watch up to 3/33 at least)
    https://youtu.be/24jMVZszPTY

    Those are quite cool, but still pretty scarce in the US. Anything to prevent accidents and keep traffic flowing is a good thing in my book. 

    Believe or not, engineering is subject to fashion. Diverging diamond is now all the rage in new designs, just like SPUI, single point urban interchange was a few years ago. It makes sense to try different solutions, but they come in and out of fashion, just like your winter coats.

    2018 430i Gran Coupe

  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 31,975
    That is my impression....the Diverging Diamond Interchange is a novel idea....real thinking outside the box. Although their tests show it will save time, they probably haven't accounted for the confusion and possibly greater accident rate it may cause......then they can tear them out and go back to the old way....or maybe self driving cars can handle them better!

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 4,676
    nyccarguy said:

    Merry Christmas to all who celebrate!  The force will be strong with our family today!  I can't wait!

    Us too!
    '14 Buick Encore Convenience
    '17 Chevy Volt Premiere
  • abacomikeabacomike Member Posts: 12,258
    edited December 2017
    I pray everyone is having a wonderful, Merry Christmas!!! The one and only thing I miss about this time of year is not having family around to enjoy it with. I'll call my son and grandsons later in the day as it is quite early for them to be up and around considering they are on Pacific Time. They will all probably be in church anyway.

    Merry Christmas, everyone!

    2021 Genesis G90

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,304
    We had some family over last night. Some more are coming over today and my older daughter is spending Xmas in Ohio, then coming here tomorrow.
    I guess that means waiting until tomorrow to open presents.
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,327
    28firefighter said:


    houdini1 said:

    Sometimes those type snows are the worst for accidents. When do you expect the snow plow? Love all those evergreens.

    Snow plow?!  I think there’s like 2 in all of western Washington...

    Sarcasm :)

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,324
    nyccarguy said:
    Merry Christmas to all who celebrate!  The force will be strong with our family today!  I can't wait!
    May the Schwartz be with you.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,324
    stickguy said:
    I never log fuel. But keep every record in a folder. I’m amazed people don’t do that.
    I never log fuel either but on the bike I have logged every fuelup. Don't know why but I can tell you what mileage I have gotten on that bike since I got it. 

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,324
    Just wanted to say Merry Christmas to all that celebrate it.

    To those who don't please have a happy Festivus. 

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • tbirdmarcotbirdmarco Member Posts: 3,838
     Happy holidays all 
  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
     I don't have to dream of a white Christmas as Santa left several inches of snow this morning. 

    Merry Christmas all 
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 19,081
    Enjoying a quiet Christmas here made even more so by some light snow that was followed by ice, now followed by rain which is then supposed to be followed by a flash freeze. It's a slushy mess outside now and there is very little traffic. I scraped off the walkway and driveway as best I could and got the ATS cleaned off, hopefully the rain will take care of what I couldn't scrape off before the freeze-up. Best wishes to all.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,139
    I am out on the coast now, nothing but raw cold rain here. I am kind of jealous, as I like to see chaos unfold in Bellevue from 2" of snow.

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone
    isellhondas said:

    28firefighter said:

    I’m sure the native seattlite drivers will handle this quite well. 

    The HILLS in Seattle are a killer when it snows! Lots of hills here on the Eastside that can be nasty too!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    oldfarmer50 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    oldfarmer50 said:

    Here's a question. What value would you put on a private party used car having complete maintaince records.? I don't think I'd go over asking price but a clean maintaince history would be reassuring. I might offer 10% more for one with records than one without.

    What say you guys? PP is such a crap shoot.

    I have always viewed maintenance records as a "selling tool", of benefit to the seller, but not the buyer in the sense of requiring him to pay a premium for such records. One expects any decent car to have service records. IMO it's not an add-on.

    If it were a "classic car", then such things as one-owner, or the car's "provenance" does add value, but not on modern used cars.
    I guess on a classic car those records could make or break the deal but I was referring to regular old transportation types.

    You say you would expect those records on any car. Would you walk away if they weren't available? Most car sellers don't have any records that I know of that's why I would va.ue one that did. It would tell you if they took care of things and how long they owned it.

    No I wouldn't walk away. Ultimately "every car has to speak for itself".
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    houdini1 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    I had an idea to revive NASCAR by putting the beer concession between the spectators and the track itself.

    I think it would be more interesting if you put the track between the spectators and the beer concession. :'(
    Yeah, that's what I meant---the beer concession in the infield. I messed that up!
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 22,646
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    oldfarmer50 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    oldfarmer50 said:

    Here's a question. What value would you put on a private party used car having complete maintaince records.? I don't think I'd go over asking price but a clean maintaince history would be reassuring. I might offer 10% more for one with records than one without.

    What say you guys? PP is such a crap shoot.

    I have always viewed maintenance records as a "selling tool", of benefit to the seller, but not the buyer in the sense of requiring him to pay a premium for such records. One expects any decent car to have service records. IMO it's not an add-on.

    If it were a "classic car", then such things as one-owner, or the car's "provenance" does add value, but not on modern used cars.
    I guess on a classic car those records could make or break the deal but I was referring to regular old transportation types.

    You say you would expect those records on any car. Would you walk away if they weren't available? Most car sellers don't have any records that I know of that's why I would va.ue one that did. It would tell you if they took care of things and how long they owned it.

    No I wouldn't walk away. Ultimately "every car has to speak for itself".
    I like that. Very elegantly put.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,304
    Beer concession in the infield? Go to Pocono. They have a tunnel. :)
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • driver100driver100 Member Posts: 31,975
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    houdini1 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    I had an idea to revive NASCAR by putting the beer concession between the spectators and the track itself.

    I think it would be more interesting if you put the track between the spectators and the beer concession. :'(
    Yeah, that's what I meant---the beer concession in the infield. I messed that up!
    I think it would be more fun to watch this way......

    I think it would be more interesting if you put the track between the spectators and the beer concession

    2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,327
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    houdini1 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    I had an idea to revive NASCAR by putting the beer concession between the spectators and the track itself.

    I think it would be more interesting if you put the track between the spectators and the beer concession. :'(
    Yeah, that's what I meant---the beer concession in the infield. I messed that up!
    Messed up? I hope jmonroe goes easy on you when he regains consciousness around 11:AM or so. :o

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