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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 4,964
    Or well over $150 for certain other brands that shall remain nameless...
    2018 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Sport, 2002 Saab 9-3 Viggen, 2016 BMW X1 xDrive28i
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 116,695
    Mine has been out of maintenance and warranty programs since July 2012.
    6.5 years, since then (8.5 yrs total) Might be interesting to add it all up. I've spent a lot on tires (lol). Re-did the whole cooling system. New shocks. I'm probably still under the $150/mo. threshold.

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 12,762
    edited January 8
    Tires really jumps the average when we must spring for those. I need to put new rubber on the Forester, both summer and winter tires (next winter), new tires on the Econoline (current were installed in June of 1995), and *maybe* can push the Q7 summer rubber for one more season.

    Aside from that, I probably spend about $1,000 in maintenance supplies before I do my annual weekend on the cars over the July 4 holiday.
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,054
    That’s only $1800/year. And given the low buy in, and almost non existent depreciation, few cars can you own and run for under $200/mo, including upkeep and depreciation.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 64,462
    edited January 8
    pensfan83 said:

    Yes the PPI would tell you a lot--mostly what has been "deferred".

    But no matter how carefully you look over a car, you're bound to miss something. Of course, there might be some things you can just live with on an old car. It doesn't have to be perfect at that price. Small seep in valve cover? Needs some software updates? One motor mount a little soft? Well, so what? Drive, he said.

    If that were the case it would be a hard pass. I said this to @28firefighter who was gracious enough to pass along the name of a respected Pittsburgh based BMW mechanic if I were serious: What ultimately pushes me away I think is not the mileage, initial cost of entry, or passing its PPI with flying colors but the potentially costly proposition of keeping it roadworthy. I could get lucky but I also can't have a car that gets driven a few thousand miles/year (if that) needing hundreds or thousands of dollars per year in upkeep. At that point I may as well go lease or finance something comparable on the fun scale that's at least under a warranty.
    A car with 180K on it is like an 80 year old man playing tennis. He might be really good for his age--observers might marvel at his condition and stamina----and yet, if he croaked the next minute would anyone be surprised? Sad perhaps but not suprised, because 80 is his natural lifespan.

    My point is -- if you by a car like this, you can't be spending money on life support--if it starts ailing badly you have to fold 'em and walk away.


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  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,346
    Okay Shifty, that analogy made me laugh...

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 4,964
    Which is why, at a certain age/mileage being able to wrench yourself vs. having to take it a mechanic is the difference between survival and euthanizing the car.
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 116,695

    Which is why, at a certain age/mileage being able to wrench yourself vs. having to take it a mechanic is the difference between survival and euthanizing the car.

    Or, a reasonable independent mechanic, and a make that is relatively cheap to work on. (my car qualifies, and your car does not).. B)

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 4,964
    No argument here.
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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,054
    Not sure why, but I actually really like this one. I might have issues.

    http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2010-lexus-is_250c-2dr_convertible_automatic-used-18481405.html

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 107,417
    stickguy said:

    Not sure why, but I actually really like this one. I might have issues.

    http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2010-lexus-is_250c-2dr_convertible_automatic-used-18481405.html

    Might?

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 107,417
    Hmmm ….

    Vroom came back with an offer of $12,000.

    Guess I should call VW Credit and find out what my actual payoff is.

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  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,346
    stickguy said:

    Not sure why, but I actually really like this one. I might have issues.

    http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2010-lexus-is_250c-2dr_convertible_automatic-used-18481405.html

    I looked at these during my convertible hunt of 2017. You really want the 350. More power, less sludge issues. But harder to find.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,606
    breld said:

    qbrozen said:

    Vroom is SLOWLY moving along. Granted, I started this process during the holidays, so I should be a little lenient. Anyway, I did have to throw them $300 for the difference between their offer and my payoff, but I think I'd rather do that than jump through transfer hoops to save that $300. When I transferred the Ford, other than the headaches, the buyer wanted it detailed, the recall taken care of, a broken piece of interior plastic replaced (door lock button), and the gas tank full. So figure that was about $100 in total and a good 5 hrs of my time all told. I'll pay the $300.

    Vroom hit the Prius at $750 higher than the local Carmax and Echo Park, so I started the process with them - but you're saying they're really slow?
    I accepted the offer and uploaded the required photos and documents on 12/26. I was just told today they will begin looking for a transporter to pick up the car.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,054
    I see a Ton of Vroom listings on car.com. But no clue where the cars physically are. I never shopped them for a buy bid.

    Much easier to just trade in!

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 32,054
    Michaell said:

    Hmmm ….

    Vroom came back with an offer of $12,000.

    Guess I should call VW Credit and find out what my actual payoff is.

    You can do it online through your VW credit account. You just looking to downsize a car?

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 4,964
    VW often provides a different payoff quote to "dealers" than they provide to you. Vroom may need to call and get that number themselves.
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  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 1,214
    As always appreciate everyone's point of view, good points made all around.
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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 4,964
    In other news, I had someone ask me about the Stelvio this morning when I was at the Starbucks near Sam's school. It was the first time in my ownership experience that someone out here knew it was an Alfa and not the latest Hyundai SUV.
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 116,695
    tifighter said:

    stickguy said:

    Not sure why, but I actually really like this one. I might have issues.

    http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2010-lexus-is_250c-2dr_convertible_automatic-used-18481405.html

    I looked at these during my convertible hunt of 2017. You really want the 350. More power, less sludge issues. But harder to find.
    Can you get the 350 in the convertible?

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,606
    edited January 8
    stickguy said:

    I see a Ton of Vroom listings on car.com. But no clue where the cars physically are. I never shopped them for a buy bid.

    Much easier to just trade in!

    Absolutely. As long as they are willing to play ball. The BMW dealer wouldn't touch the LR or the AR for the money I got.

    I'm a tad curious to see what the 330 would fetch, but I haven't even gotten my first bill yet, and I'm pretty sure my wife would kill me in my sleep. I don't know why she was so bent out of shape about the Alfa. I have to keep pointing out that it is costing us less.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 107,417
    stickguy said:

    Michaell said:

    Hmmm ….

    Vroom came back with an offer of $12,000.

    Guess I should call VW Credit and find out what my actual payoff is.

    You can do it online through your VW credit account. You just looking to downsize a car?
    Yeah, if I can get out of the lease early with only a few hundred out of pocket, I might do that and start being a one car family for a while. I've put less than 500 miles on it in the last month, and it's costing me $300/mo (payment + insurance) to keep around.

    Unfortunately, I can't get an on-line payoff from VW Credit - it's not allowed in Colorado. @jpp5862 can confirm this.

    I did call VW Credit.. I always figured the payoff was the remaining lease payments plus the residual value. Dude on the phone said no, it's the cap cost less any payments I've made. Umm, OK, I guess I don't see the difference.

    However, I was also told that I have to go through the dealer to sell the car. What?

    At the end of the conversation, we sorta got a close guess as to the payoff, which is only a couple hundred more than the Vroom offer.

    So, I called Vroom to see how it works, from their side. Their offer is good for 10 days or 300 miles, so I've got some time to decide. If I accept, I'll be asked to fill out a bunch of paperwork, at which point I'll be assigned a "document specialist", who will complete the transaction. That person will work with VW Credit and/or the dealer to get the payoff value, at which point I can decide to go forward, or not.

    I really like the VW, and will be sad to see it go (if it does go). But, I could use the cushion in the budget for the time being. And, as @breld pointed out, the clock also starts ticking as to when I can replace it, if the wife and I decide that one car isn't enough for us.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,606
    alright, alright. I looked it up. Carvana hits it about $1500 under my gross cap cost, so definitely not gonna happen on this one. That's fine by me. I could stand to hold one for 24 mos this time around. ;)
    Although I'm certain I could transfer it if I really wanted to at some point.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,606
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    Michaell said:

    Hmmm ….

    Vroom came back with an offer of $12,000.

    Guess I should call VW Credit and find out what my actual payoff is.

    You can do it online through your VW credit account. You just looking to downsize a car?
    Yeah, if I can get out of the lease early with only a few hundred out of pocket, I might do that and start being a one car family for a while. I've put less than 500 miles on it in the last month, and it's costing me $300/mo (payment + insurance) to keep around.

    Unfortunately, I can't get an on-line payoff from VW Credit - it's not allowed in Colorado. @jpp5862 can confirm this.

    I did call VW Credit.. I always figured the payoff was the remaining lease payments plus the residual value. Dude on the phone said no, it's the cap cost less any payments I've made. Umm, OK, I guess I don't see the difference.

    However, I was also told that I have to go through the dealer to sell the car. What?

    At the end of the conversation, we sorta got a close guess as to the payoff, which is only a couple hundred more than the Vroom offer.

    So, I called Vroom to see how it works, from their side. Their offer is good for 10 days or 300 miles, so I've got some time to decide. If I accept, I'll be asked to fill out a bunch of paperwork, at which point I'll be assigned a "document specialist", who will complete the transaction. That person will work with VW Credit and/or the dealer to get the payoff value, at which point I can decide to go forward, or not.

    I really like the VW, and will be sad to see it go (if it does go). But, I could use the cushion in the budget for the time being. And, as @breld pointed out, the clock also starts ticking as to when I can replace it, if the wife and I decide that one car isn't enough for us.
    Yes, you can go through all the steps and they'll fedex you a payoff statement that you need to sign and fedex back. So you can always start now and decide after you get that statement if you want to move forward.

    Just got an email that a transporter will pick up the Alfa on Thursday. If that happens, it will be 15 days from start to finish. I'd have to check my emails, but I think Carvana was less than a week. Of course, we had New Year's in the middle of this process PLUS the fed-exing back and forth, which carvana was happy to do electronically. Go figure.

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  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 1,214
    I'm going to guess around $330-$350/month on the BMW? At that price there's bound to be takers.
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  • au1994au1994 GAPosts: 1,520
    Michaell said:

    stickguy said:

    Michaell said:

    Hmmm ….

    Vroom came back with an offer of $12,000.

    Guess I should call VW Credit and find out what my actual payoff is.

    You can do it online through your VW credit account. You just looking to downsize a car?
    Yeah, if I can get out of the lease early with only a few hundred out of pocket, I might do that and start being a one car family for a while. I've put less than 500 miles on it in the last month, and it's costing me $300/mo (payment + insurance) to keep around.

    Unfortunately, I can't get an on-line payoff from VW Credit - it's not allowed in Colorado. @jpp5862 can confirm this.

    I did call VW Credit.. I always figured the payoff was the remaining lease payments plus the residual value. Dude on the phone said no, it's the cap cost less any payments I've made. Umm, OK, I guess I don't see the difference.

    However, I was also told that I have to go through the dealer to sell the car. What?

    At the end of the conversation, we sorta got a close guess as to the payoff, which is only a couple hundred more than the Vroom offer.

    So, I called Vroom to see how it works, from their side. Their offer is good for 10 days or 300 miles, so I've got some time to decide. If I accept, I'll be asked to fill out a bunch of paperwork, at which point I'll be assigned a "document specialist", who will complete the transaction. That person will work with VW Credit and/or the dealer to get the payoff value, at which point I can decide to go forward, or not.

    I really like the VW, and will be sad to see it go (if it does go). But, I could use the cushion in the budget for the time being. And, as @breld pointed out, the clock also starts ticking as to when I can replace it, if the wife and I decide that one car isn't enough for us.
    I considered going the 1 car route for a while. I work from home now just not 100% of the time, for instance I’m going in tomorrow and Thursday but that’s the 1st time since mid December. Plus I just ran some errands late this afternoon. Nothing that couldn’t have waited till I had the car but it was still nice to get it done.

    So @Michaell it sounds like you are a good candidate for one of those well used BMW’s we were discussing earlier :smile:

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  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 2,346
    kyfdx said:

    tifighter said:

    stickguy said:

    Not sure why, but I actually really like this one. I might have issues.

    http://www.royaleasing.com/detail-2010-lexus-is_250c-2dr_convertible_automatic-used-18481405.html

    I looked at these during my convertible hunt of 2017. You really want the 350. More power, less sludge issues. But harder to find.
    Can you get the 350 in the convertible?
    Oh yeah. From the wayback machine-
    https://roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a14847/2010-lexus-is250c-and-is350c/

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 25,606
    pensfan83 said:

    I'm going to guess around $330-$350/month on the BMW? At that price there's bound to be takers.

    bingo. $340/mo on just under $50k MSRP.

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  • henrynhenryn Houston, TXPosts: 2,466
    qbrozen said:

    pensfan83 said:

    I'm going to guess around $330-$350/month on the BMW? At that price there's bound to be takers.

    bingo. $340/mo on just under $50k MSRP.
    Indeed, a heck of a deal, and it should be easy to pass that one on if you decided to do so.

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