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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?
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I know that you are a HUGE diesel fan & owner, but I honestly don't think you are going to get yourself into a reasonably priced diesel pickup. I just "built" a Colorado Z71 4WD. Like the super bowl commercial said: "you know you want a truck." $36K. Figure $4K - $4,500 for the diesel option. $41K. Then I went and "built" a RAM Eco Diesel. Comes out to about $45K. Not bad compared to the "small" Colorado with the fictional diesel, but that is a lot of money for you to spend on a "beater," especially since you have your Toureg which isn't exactly cheap. I'm not saying you don't have the money to spend nor are you reluctant to spend it on a vehicle you love, but over $40K for a beater just because it has a diesel is excessive.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
If it's a "farm truck" like mine(around 1K miles per year), I just get a solid truck with enough power to do the jobs I need.
If a daily driver, your requirements are much different.
I have a 2000 Ford 3/4 ton Super Duty 4x4, drinks around 10 miles per gallon, but for my needs far cheaper than a diesel, and is more forgiving of the short trips it has to endure. If I drove a diesel like this truck, I'd probably kill it, as I start it, drive a couple miles, and turn it off.
If you're towing a large trailer, or drive a lot of miles as a daily driver, then the diesel makes more sense.
And, as Gagrice said, you typically get it back when you sell.
All correct. The Nissan does all I need. And has enough power to pull my fully loaded 5x8 utility trailer up our long hill. The Ranger would not get the job done, and died trying. It was in the Ford shop when I traded it on the Nissan PU.
OFF TOPIC:
.1633 cents per KWH electricity (rural small town, 21,286) IF anyone wants to chime in with an EV cost per mile driven fuel.
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Our off-grid friends are driving down from Taos this afternoon to visit for a couple of days. I'm curious to see if they are going to be in their eco-
TercelECHO or the Subaru or the Taco with the camper on the back.It's always fun to talk green to them and then remind them that they have three cars at home and one van in storage up in Alaska for two people.
That's a pretty vicious pricing on that electricity, Gary! As it is, we paid about 21 cents on the nose last month for each of the 1047 kilowatts we used (avg of 31 per day). That doesn't include the monthly base fee of $17.50. Pro-rated across that much usage and it ups the price per kwh by nearly two cents.
Let's see:
356 x .16 = 56.96
107 x .19 = 20.33
249 x .34 = 84.66
335 x .37 = 123.95
So, $285.90 total for 1047 kwh, which is 27.3 cents per kwh. OUCH. I'm pretty darn frugal with electricity, and our monthly usage is approximately 900 kwh. I'd get freakin' hosed on that rate structure. I'd probably be at my local co-op's office with an uzi or something. It wouldn't be pretty. I'm glad it's you living in the SSC and not me! LOL
Is the Pentagon hyping climate change? Here, take a look.
By Lori Montgomery January 30
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/01/30/is-the-pentagon-hyping-climate-change-here-take-a-look/?hpid=z4
What is the hype worth? Couple, 6 TRILLION a year?
So for example, IF I were back in the RFP writing business, I would probably only do proposals that had (multiple) requirements for climate change. I have a $250,000 toilet story, if folks are interested.
God did flood the earth with Noah in an Ark, et al.,. aka CLIMATE CHANGE !!!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/12/22/miamis-climate-catch-22-building-luxury-condos-to-pay-for-protection-against-the-rising-sea/
The no joke portion was I didn't need flood insurance.
http://www.campagnamotors.com/products/t-rex-16s-p/configure-one
OT, but I forget, are you on a well?
The 09 Jetta TDI is being scheduled for a 90,000 miles oil/oil filter change. It has used app 1/2 L in 30,000 miles. Oil consumption is on par with the other (anecdotal) diesel engines driven by us. It does use a specific synthetic DIESEL formulated oil (VW specification 507, 5w 30).
So in 6 years/90,000 miles, we did have the DIESEL HPFP issue. VW A picked up the cost of the repair, out of warranty.
The following are considered NON diesel, and in some respects normal consumption ! ?
New tires and an alignment, I didn't need, we have covered. I am liking the new tires, but it is totally NON newsworthy to the three other normal drivers. (as long as they stay away from concrete curbs, I am a happy camper) I have seen the light (actually measurements off a $2.00 WalMart tire depth gauge) and will go to 5,000 miles rotations (10,000 oem recommendation) to see if I can beat the 89,000 miles on oem tires.
I have blown 3 brake lamp bulbs and two low beam head lamps (dealer R/R'd). It needed a new battery also. We did a DSG oil and filter change @ 65,000 miles (40,000 miles oem recommendation). Brake fluid was changed @ the 4 year mark (oem recommendation @ 2 years) We did take advantage of 3 included dealer maintenance cycles.
Onward to the first major tune @ 120,000 miles, TB/WP change and VAG.com (computer) tune.
Paris turns sights on diesel with EUR10,000 grant (just-auto.com)
Is Fiat Chrysler Secretly Developing A Diesel For Passenger Cars? (greencarreports.com)
I don't see automakers having much choice but diesel. Hybrids are costly and most of the expensive components come from China or other Asian countries. Diesels with all the fancy emission equipment are expensive, though most can be built here. As Urea injection becomes the defacto solution to the NoX issue, prices for equipment will come down. I don't see the same thing happening for expensive electric motors and batteries. I think the number one obstacle to diesel sales is the price difference in fuel. Diesel has higher tax than RUG. And the oil companies have no good reason to push diesel in the USA. They have too much gas to get rid of, and diesel defeats their goals of selling more oil. All things I am reading, diesel is the fuel of choice to export. It is far safer to haul than RUG. So diesels will continue to be prized by those of US that have experienced the many positives. And the Oil companies will try to keep diesel at a price that does not make a big difference on a per mile basis.
Costco RUG $2.39, ULSD $2.49, advantage diesel.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Also the gov.com's make more than even oil companies do on extra diesel taxation.
STILL..... the costs per mile driven fuel are .... cheaper. Having moving over to the DARK SIDE, I am more persuaded by the advantages we have at various times talked about.
The real cost of repairing an aluminum-bodied 2015 Ford F-150
ConsumerReports.org By Jim Travers
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/real-cost-repairing-aluminum-bodied-2015-ford-f-200000641.html
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd
I've never produced more than I've used on a particular month, though. I doubt very few people could, unless you have a solar farm in your backyard. My chiropractor even has 1.5 times the panels I do, but he uses far more electricity for the obviously larger house. Accordingly, he still pays more than I do on average.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Here in San Diego, most people end up with a surplus at years end. My neighbor has 12 panels and is partially blocked by my huge oak tree and he always produces more than he uses. Probably why SDG&E is so stingy. I see they have lowered NEM rates again. Makes me question the viability of owning Solar Panels.
Transfer the ownership of the RECs associated with the net surplus electricity to SDG&E using the Western Renewable Energy Generation Information System (WREGIS). The renewable attribute adder will only be paid to those net surplus generators who provide RECs to the Utility. This rate is updated annually. As of October 1, 2013, the rate was set at 1.6 cents/surplus kWh .
http://www.sdge.com/clean-energy/excess-generation-credit/annual-compensation-excess-generation
So in 6 years/90,000 miles, we did have the DIESEL HPFP issue. VW A picked up the cost of the repair, out of warranty.
The following are considered NON diesel, and in some respects normal consumption ! ?
New tires and an alignment, I didn't need, we have covered. I am liking the new tires, but it is totally NON newsworthy to the three other normal drivers. (as long as they stay away from concrete curbs, I am a happy camper) I have seen the light (actually measurements off a $2.00 WalMart tire depth gauge) and will go to 5,000 miles rotations (10,000 oem recommendation) to see if I can beat the 89,000 miles on oem tires.
I have blown 3 brake lamp bulbs and two low beam head lamps (dealer R/R'd). It needed a new battery also. We did a DSG oil and filter change @ 65,000 miles (40,000 miles oem recommendation). Brake fluid was changed @ the 4 year mark (oem recommendation @ 2 years) We did take advantage of 3 included dealer maintenance cycles.
Onward to the first major tune @ 120,000 miles, TB/WP change and VAG.com (computer) tune."...
Finally got the 90,000 miles (30,000 miles interval) oil and filter change done @ a NON specialist (VW, let alone DIESEL) repair shop recommended by the very specialized tire, alignment and suspension shop that I go to. I asked them (the 20) questions before setting up the appointment. I asked them if they would do customer provided parts. The statement that sealed the deal was bring it in RIGHT now, we will have you out in half an hour. I had to beg off, as it was doing the commute duties. They took us next day first thing @ opening. The cabin filter was swapped also. True to their word, it was out in half hour.
OFF topic and a bit of a head scratcher, one call each to 2 VW dealers, I have dealt with in the past didn't return phone calls to set up an appointment. I also know that it would taken far longer to get both items done and cost more. Sure, each would have included a car wash. They both are also much farther away than this local indy.
Again, the point of this post is to indicate how utterly seamless this DIESEL ness is to gassers.
The diesel DIFFERENCE here, MIGHT BE the low oil consumption ( 1/2 L in 30,000) and up to 30,000 miles OCI. ( allowing for; cost per mile driven: lubrication .00275 cents)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/if-you-think-gas-is-cheap-these-days-look-what-it-costs-in-saudi-arabia/2015/02/07/889536ef-fb15-4453-b99b-eb99622dcf4e_story.html
I think I would STILL get a diesel !!!
(I guess .011 cents per mile driven in a 41 mpg VW Jetta TDI ain't bad eh?)
For me, it begs the question: what our government has against $ 760 Billion in the BLACK ! ???? Why do they favor $ 18 TRILLION in (RED) DEBT !!!!!!!!!! ???????
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
"This generation has altered the composition of the atmosphere on a global scale through radioactive materials and a steady increase in carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels."
The speaker quoted was LBJ.
Back to the topic, and just in time for the Steelworkers strike, diesel (and gas) production goes up elsewhere. New Mideast oil refineries could stir up fuel market (marketwatch.com)
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/business/energy-environment/mountain-of-petroleum-coke-from-oil-sands-rises-in-detroit.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Well you can't say that the Michigan leadership has not played a VERY active part killing the US vehicle industry (last 50 years). What I get from this article are two more TARGETS to ....KILL !!! Truly with friends like this, why does one need enemies ????
So to me, the real question/s is/are: what does Michigan want to replace the industry/s they have been SO successful in killing, with?
In Detroit Michigan's case, it will take ANOTHER 40 to 50 years to MAYBE recover from the last killing and bankruptcy, IF they are lucky.
So it would APPEAR ( I have not researched this) they are following the APPLE World Wide GROWTH model. HQ has little to NO manufacturing, which is spread in the farther cases, World Wide.
I have tried to convince our friend of that. He believes you can have massive industry with NO pollution. Michigan is headed the direction of CA, without the nice weather to keep the rich people here supporting the state. He also believes that we are going to shut down Canada's tar sands by not building KeystoneXL. I showed him where several refineries in your area are already refining Tar sand oil. Overall about 2 million barrels a day mostly in the Midwest.
I am hoping it will eventually mean lower diesel prices. I know just day dreaming.
BUT then, IF they SERIOUSLY consume FAR LESS......
Citi: Oil Could Plunge to $20, and This Might Be 'the End of OPEC'
Bloomberg By Tom Randall
2 hours ago
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/citi-oil-could-plunge-20-172206724.html
It's a battle heard all over (Pipeline to bring Savannah gas, diesel and ethanol from Gulf - savannahnow.com)
The biggest obstacle is processing a usable crude out of the tar sands. That is where all the Coke comes from. With US processing most of it at 57 refineries we are at capacity. At the current rate of 2 million barrels a day there is about 239 years of known reserves. I think with the KeystoneXL they can add another 800,000 barrels a day. However they will have to share space in the pipe for Bakken oil.
stever: actually lots of Canadians and First Nations people don't want the sands developed, much less pipelines
I have read some on the pipe to BC and the First Nations battle. I think it is a matter of paying the right tribal leaders. I also think that was kind of a ploy to get it through to our refineries. I would think they would have to process the sand and coke out of it before shipping to Asia. Now with China buying large chunks of the tar sands, who knows what will happen? I think countries like China and Norway that have large holdings may have paid too much. It may take them a long time to recoup their investment. And the Eco Nuts in Norway are trying to force Statoil to get rid of the 25% they own. May not be the best time to sell. Is it a good buying opportunity, or how low will it go. Not sure what it costs to process the Tar sands.
In this market of course, the RUG/PUG 'ers can complain at how OVERPRICED ULSD IS @ say $2.55.
So my commute) 41 mpg is $.195 cents per mile driven (GMY/UK) and .0622 cents here. That is probably no bargain in Germany or the UK. Regardless, I am both appreciative of a low price, and wanting the price to drift even lower. I do further wish they would let in the REAL German fuel sippers!
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"The EPA and the California Air Resources Board have claimed for years that diesel exhaust is toxic. It’s one of the reasons why diesel emissions standards in the United States are very different from those in Europe.
The EPA’s diesel standards focus more on reducing nitrogen oxides, or NOx, which have been linked to asthma and other respiratory issues.
The problem is neither the European nor the U.S. emission standards eliminate the fine particulates in diesel exhaust that can cause respiratory and other health problems.
A rapid rise in torque output from a diesel engine produces a large amount of NOx and PM (particulate matter),
Therefore, any level of electrification of a hybrid powertrain which can use the electric motor as a means of performing some of the transient tasks of a vehicle during a tip-in acceleration will reduce those pollutants.”
But the extra cost of the electric motor may be a killer.
More black eyes for the diesel engine (Automotive News)