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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited October 2016
    gagrice said:

    If VW is generous in their buy back of the Touareg, I would consider a late enough model GL350 Bluetec that still was under warranty. I like the extra room, and the V6 diesel is more than enough power.

    Have you ever checked out the Jaguar F Pace SUV? 2 liter diesel, 180 HP, all wheel drive, starts around $40,000. Edmunds gives the F Pace an A rating. About the size of GLC. Available this fall.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I doubt I would trust Jag. They don't have much of a reputation for reliability. I would like to look at one and get a test drive. Live chat Betty popped up when I went to the Jag dealer's website. I asked when the diesel F-Pace would be in stock and that is the last she posted. I would be more likely to give the Equinox diesel a try. The F-Pace has a small 16.6 gallon tank. That means it would have to get 40 MPG on the highway to be practical.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    Is this V6 TDI, 8 speed AT (sans 800 #'s) 2017 Land Rover - Range Rover Sport hitting the US markets? http://chicago.suntimes.com/autos/land-rover-range-rover-sport-reaches-new-levels-of-agility/

    Mum seems to be the word on prices (5 engine options). I don't gathered it's cheap.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    It is coming to U.S. this fall. May already be here. Very well equipped (mid model) cost is around $67,000. Fuel economy is 29 hwy and 22 city. 5400 pounds and will tow 7500 pounds. Looks very sharp !!

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    I'm not sure it matters, but using 3%/4% credit cards for ULSD has been the procedure. The $43.58 (3.5%) per yr. gets us 630 miles.

    (for 500 gal @ $2.49 per gal (18,000 miles year/36 mpg = ) = $1,245 - $43.58 per year = $ 1,201.43/12 mo = $100.12 per mo. There are app 25 days in a monthly float cycle, not to mention it relieves one of having to carry cash. )

    Diesel-gate winners, the owners? https://www.yahoo.com/news/wins-volkswagens-great-dieselgate-sweepstakes-213019291.html
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    Just looking at the used inventory, in town Toyota dealer. A 2009 Lexus ES 350 (123,000 miles) is starting off @ $1,013 more than the 2009 VW Jetta TDI buy back offer @ $12,975 ? ! If I play the curve correctly, I should be able to keep it to @ least the Sep 1 2018 deadline, get to 140,000 miles before buyback!! So with $1,000 GW, $1,300, it's looking like 3.375 cents per mile! The 2016 Lexus EX 350 MSRP is app $39,500, but Edmunds indicates it sells for roughly $32,000.

    My daughter doesn't seem too excited about keeping the 2009. So I may just take the buyback money, be happy with only two TDI's & let her & sil figure out what she/he wants next. Fuel use 40 mpg @ 140,000 will be 3,500 gals. @ current local price of 2.63, 6.58 cents cpmd:fuel. P

    I'm sure the 3.0 L VW Touareg, Porsche, Audi will have similar timelines. I'm hoping the 2018/2019 MY's have more diesels.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Hard not to get excited about getting back more than you expected from your vehicle. How can you find the NADA book value from September 2015? We are at 39,000 miles after 39 months, so should be under the mileage limit when and if they come around for us 3.0L TDI owners. With Audi saying they will buy back, I don't see how VW and Porsche cannot do the same. What we replace it with has more to do with where we decide to live. A month in Hawaii next Spring may settle the issue. I see no real need for a luxury SUV in Hawaii. The longest trip we would likely make would be a couple hundred mile round trip to Costco in Kona. A 4 wheel drive PU is really better suited to many of the places we would want to go. Makes the GM midsize diesels high on the list.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    I've been checking out the (2016) MB GLC 220d/250d (2.0 L?) 9G, 295# ft/369# ft torque , posting 47 mpg!! http://www.mercedesclass.net/models/glc-coupe/

    These GLC d's gets 11 mpg better than the GLK 250 BT, the earlier one it replaces. It's also app 170#'s lighter than the GLK. Combined with the 9G AT, I'm sure those two items add a portion of the increased mpg. I'm sure MB (VW too) is forced to choke off mpg on US market versions!?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    If the US market gets a diesel GLC at all, I am not aware of any verified release date for a diesel GLC or the somewhat awkward "coupe" variant.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    US market version is the MB GLC "300" . https://youtu.be/QMhFMZb2JJY
    The video teases with a "d". But as you say, no word on US market diesel. . Whether one likes diesels or not, this platform can accommodate a plethora of engine & drive train options! Between the above video and the other MB link, they document a very impressive platform !
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited October 2016
    I don't have any desire for the gasoline 4, as I am sure you don't either. I prefer the normal GLC to the "coupe", as the normal one looks like a C wagon, which is a good looking vehicle. Hopefully this will all blow over, and the market will have more options. Some people preach diversity, why can't we have it for powertrains? :)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    Indeed your last sentence & so called "diesel gate" are two almost proof positive examples, we've NOT learned a damned thing since the late 70's oil embargo! ? Back in those days ( (39/42 years ago) the PVF was easily 98 to 99% gasoline. The first priority should have been import LESS oil! The domestic surge go ahead should have been given. (JC POTUS) Then downstream IF that could not stabilize the problem, then REFINE less oil. What !! ?? One would ask/say?

    Let me rewind a bit. The very first step (mid 1970's) should have been a minimum target of 30 % diesels. The math indicates the target should be OVER 50% ( to 61 %) diesels i!!!

    JC POTUS was a Naval Academy graduate & Naval Nuclear (physicist) Officer!!! Regardless of what anyone thought of the man, to say that he couldn't do such a basic calculation is an insult of the highest order !

    Simple grade school math indicates (RATIO barrel of oil gasoline 19 gals/diesel 13 gals) that would create WAY less (50% less) oil demand foreign or domestic &/or both! Yet, diesels in passenger cars were choked off.

    Please,... just because GM made CRAP diesels, back in the day are stupid & moronic excuses to kill diesels. To wit, GM made crap GASSERS!! Did that choke off gasoline??? They even added lead to it!! Need I beat a dead horse folks? So fast forward to almost 2017 (39/42) years later, GASOLINE is anywhere from 95 to 97% PVF. Oh & to be fair RUG/PUG is now UN leaded. Geez, some progress.

    The whole point here: have higher percentages of " other" than gasoline fuels!!! - that actually demands less oil!?

    Counterintuitively, 40% gas PVF, 60% diesel PVF demands LESS oil! Specifically it demands 50% less!!

    Yet, we are STILL trying to have one dominate fuel!

    E 10, E15, E 85 to 100% Ethanol is another discussion rat hole.

    While one can use more refined (pun or no pun intended) equations, i've already stated the data necessary to come to that RATIO (barrel of oil ) conclusion. You've heard me use the 22 mpg versus 36 mpg in the GLK 350/250 BT, 18,000 miles per year.

    = 818 gals RUG/PUG / 500 gal ULSD?

    So, ...43 barrels of oil gives 818 gal of RUG/PUG. AND 559 gal ULSD using the ratio. ( 19/13) These 43 barrels of oil would run two vehicles, one each: 350/250 BTj for 18,000 miles !

    59 gals of ULSD / 13 = 4.538 barrels of oil, left out product

    So does anybody NOT see that if I had 2 (TWO) GLK 350's (GASSERS) I would need 86 barrels of oil ?

    i'm not sure if that's the bad news or the good news!? Don't forget the 1,118 gals of ULSD. So @'36 miles per gallon = 40,248 miles.

    Anybody calling for choking to the outright ban of diesel are shrills for 100% greater gasoline use! EV advocates are de facto 40% coal advocates & in much higher profits in $$'s per KWH over oil.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    fintail said:

    I don't have any desire for the gasoline 4, as I am sure you don't either. I prefer the normal GLC to the "coupe", as the normal one looks like a C wagon, which is a good looking vehicle. Hopefully this will all blow over, and the market will have more options. Some people preach diversity, why can't we have it for powertrains? :)

    I don't much care for the coupe either. Kills the wagon aspect. Also with the gas engine and a smallish 17.4 gallon tank, you don't even have 500 mile range. That is unacceptable for me. I would not waste time test driving anything but the MB diesels. I could see myself in one of these if MB gets their act together on the new diesel 4 cylinder.


  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    We've had the better part of 2.5 years in the GLC 300 d 's predecessor, the (2014) GLK 250 BT. The platform & model segment (compact CUV) have been appropriate for the (our) majority of applied uses. For me, the 4 matic has only been real useful during the mountains chain controls, with downstream winters ice & snow. But the truth is over the years, winter driving has been about (snow/ice) smoothness and learning about picking your spots. Of course, a tad bit of luck does not hurt. The cars performance has been outstanding: winter, spring, summer and fall. It's been particularly fun in (higher altitude) mountains & in contrast, LONG interstates. MB seems to have continued in the relentless constant improvement track. I'm sure some to many aspects might defy notice. We've both have & continued to like its "quirky" look.

    For a host of reasons, it's not a real stretch to say: I like the constant improvement aspects & the look & color choices of the newer 2017 MB GLC 300 d.

    So for us, a LOAD (short list) of IF's.

    1. 09 Jetta, buy back selected/forced
    2. 12 Touareg, buyback selected/forced
    3. Good/bad $$'s monies on 3.0L TDI
    4. VW 2018/2019 diesel offering
    5. VW diesel/gas post diesel-gate, loyalty offers
    6. Used late model TDI/"d" availability
    7. Potential availability of more OEM's & models
    8. Prices of #6,7
    9. Low % to ZERO % financing new/used
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    If gas engines are so clean, why is Mercedes-Benz spending BILLONS to redesign them?
    http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2016/10/31/mercedes-to-overhaul-internal-combustion-engines-from-2017.html?ref=yfp
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Who said they were clean?
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    stever said:

    Who said they were clean?

    & defacto ( however misguided)

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    The only clean engines are EVs, because you can export that pollution out of your backyard. Duh ;)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Gas has detergent in it so it must be clean. :p
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    edited October 2016
    stever said:

    Gas has detergent in it so it must be clean. :p

    How long would it take to kill yourself if you sealed all the vents in your garage and left the car running? :open_mouth:

    And to keep it on topic, would RUG kill you faster than PUG or Diesel exhaust, or vice versa?
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited October 2016
    RUG is worse, but CO from diesel can kill you. (NIH). Another reason to make semis plug in at truck stops when they layover a while.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    stever said:

    RUG is worse, but CO from diesel can kill you. (NIH). Another reason to make semis plug in at truck stops when they layover a while.

    T. Boone Pickens really had an interesting solution: convert diesel route haulers/ long haulers to natural gas. Give natural gas conversion & natural gas fuel tax credits. Also convert the PVF to 60 % ULSD if they are serious about consuming less oil.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited October 2016
    I thought natural gas was better for short hauls since you'd have overnight to gas up at your local terminal.

    The shipping part of the transport sector sounds like it is getting better.

    Truck diesel emissions at Port of Oakland down 98 percent in past decade (ajot.com)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Right size, wrong fuel... :@ Better get back to the drawing board with their diesel engines, or they have lost me. Don't want no wimpy rug or pug rig.

    World premiere of the Volkswagen Atlas in California! The new seven-seater SUV for the US market was unveiled on the Santa Monica Pier at the end of historic Route 66. The VW Atlas launches a new chapter in the company's American history. The new model will be built in Chattanooga (Tennessee) for the North American market and offers innovative technology and spaciousness. In addition, the new Atlas thrills with hallmark Volkswagen driving dynamics and attention to detail.

    "This is the biggest and boldest Volkswagen we have ever built in the United States, delivering the distinctive design and craftsmanship we're known for, now with room for seven," said Hinrich J. Woebcken, Volkswagen CEO of North America Region.

    The Volkswagen Atlas opens up an important segment for the brand: midsize SUVs, as the Americans call them, already formed a tenth of all new registrations in the USA in 2015. For the first time, Volkswagen's Atlas now offers a model in this high-volume class in the category between the Tiguan and the Touareg that is fully tailored to American needs.

    Building on the modular transverse matrix (MQB) from Volkswagen, the Atlas is born with the latest Volkswagen design DNA. Classic proportions and clean lines that create a sense of timelessness and precision. Up front, standard LED headlights and LED Daytime Running Lights combine for a unique visual signature, with optional LED taillights to complete the look.

    With a length of 5,037 mm (198.3 inches), a width of 1,979 mm (77.9 inches) and a height of 1,768 mm (69.6 inches) the 2018 Atlas is larger than any other Volkswagen on sale in the USA.


  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Any word on ocean liner emissions? Oh wait, the eco-dorks don't chase that issue ;)

    Re: the VW SUV, I like marketing speak. Timelessness and precision? I suppose it isn't busy-insectoid-overstyled like it would be if it was a Toyota, but it still looks like it weighs about 9000 lbs.
    stever said:

    I thought natural gas was better for short hauls since you'd have overnight to gas up at your local terminal.

    The shipping part of the transport sector sounds like it is getting better.

    Truck diesel emissions at Port of Oakland down 98 percent in past decade (ajot.com)

  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Re: the VW SUV, I like marketing speak. Timelessness and precision? I suppose it isn't busy-insectoid-overstyled like it would be if it was a Toyota, but it still looks like it weighs about 9000 lbs.

    I don't think any manufacturer says overstyled cartoonish more than Toyota. Following a new Prius today and wonder who would buy one? Good friends bought the new and by far ugliest Lexus RX yet to be be spawned by the children of the corn generation. VW may be plain, but I like most of their styling. MB has come out of their doldrum styling of the 80s and 90s. Honda looks ok, just Honda doesn't have any decent engineers that can build a diesel that can pass emissions. GM & Ford are getting the picture. Now if they would put the diesel out of the Transport into the Explorer, we are interested.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    One of the "drivers" that in effect governs most decisions i.e., some of the marketing language is the new 5 year generation or model, down from 7 years.

    Defacto, , this lets "constant improvements" get better for 5/6 years.

    Another defacto driver would be a bunch of data: i.e., reliability. & durability.

    For another example, Wiki indicates the MB GLK 350/250BT ran from 2009 to 2016. (7/8 MY's opening sales autumn 2008) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_GLK-Class
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Can see the headlines now if it doesn't sell. Atlas Shrugged.

    Looks nice enough to me, nice and boxy. Someone compared it to a Grand Cherokee the other day and I can kind of see that in this photo.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited October 2016
    Hopefully VW did extra homework with the midsize 7 passenger Atlas!

    Right now, unless one knows differently, the midsize CUV segment leader is the Acura MDX. This is a super competitive segment. (again, its in some MY (of its 1/2 year old gen) The cheaper model is the Honda Pilot.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    Hopefully VW did extra homework with the midsize 7 passenger Atlas!

    Right now, unless one knows differently, the midsize CUV segment leader is the Acura MDX. This is a super competitive segment. (again, its in some MY (of its 1/2 year old gen) The cheaper model is the Honda Pilot.

    When I bought the 2007 Toyota Sequoia, we test drove the MDX. I was not impressed at all with the comfort of the seats. I knew I would not make 600 miles at a stretch with their hardness. Same complaint with the BMW X5. The Sequoia had very good seat comfort. No problem on long trips, if you did not mind looking for gas stations every 300 miles. Any vehicle not offering a diesel will not get tested if the Touareg TDI is bought back.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2016
    I've been a tire kicker since very young. Since I too would only wish a diesel, I'd pay much closer attention to the finer points in seating. Truly there are "behavioral" numbers for seating also.

    Since there are no agreements for the 3.0 L & the 2.0 has till Sep 1, 2018 to decide, I don't suspect the 3.0L's decision deadline would be earlier. Right now, I'm favoring a fix, unless the buy back numbers are tempting.

    In CA, there is 9%/10% taxation. So, of upwards of $50,000, uncle Jerry Brown takes a minimum of $4,500., for a then "forced" transaction. The premature loss of taxation ( first real confiscation) paid on the old one ( 2012 in my case) will probably not be compensated either. So for the average 12 year old vehicle, that's lost first $2,610. (5/12= 42%) So the shock of a minimum $7,110 doesn't hit because one has paid it in smaller amounts & @ different times.

    @ $2.63 per gal ULSD, asumming you can get another diesel, @ 33mpg thats. 89,212 miles. Again, assuming 12,000 to 15,000 miles average per year, that is 5.95 years of fuel EXTRA due to even more taxes paid.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited November 2016
    That's always the toughest part for me. You can't really tell on a typical test drive and it's hard to get a demo for the weekend. Renting the Prius was great, that should be the norm at every dealer so you don't have to take your chances at Enterprise.

    I'd happily pay for a rental just for the insurance factor to avoid winding up with a car that kills my back after two hours (our used Subie was bad that way). We really lucked out on the Quest - best seats ever, including some old 70s Volvos I had experience with and they were always the standard.

    Besides the seat comfort, I gotta have splay room for my knees, and all too often big consoles eat up space for no good reason.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2016
    To cut to the chase, there are not many faults a good custom sheepskin seat cover does not remedy. In the worst case, one could bring a skin to a test ride.

    This is really not my original idea. In another life, I've hung around a lot of cargo, bomber, tanker (fighter) planes and pilots. It goes without saying the pilots are also professional sitters.

    Another place to check, medical supply houses. You can pretty much custom fit the seat.

    On a more diesel related topic, it is interesting that despite the ratios in a (42 gal) barrel of oil, (19 gallons vs13 gallons) the wholesale prices of RUG/PUG, ULSD are virtually the same.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    True, I've even had good luck with a rolled up T shirt in the small of my back.

    Don't forget auto upholstery shops too - those folks can rebuild the entire seat.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2016
    I must be right in the middle somewhere in VW seats "behavioral numbers" land. The four seats (I have) are completely different. Yet, I have never had an issue in the longer 6 hours to 11 hours range. None of the seats happen to be leather: 1 fabric, 3 "leatherette", if I can use that term.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited November 2016
    stever said:

    Can see the headlines now if it doesn't sell. Atlas Shrugged.

    Looks nice enough to me, nice and boxy. Someone compared it to a Grand Cherokee the other day and I can kind of see that in this photo.

    I like the looks of the Atlas. Needs a diesel though. Also looks bigger than a Grand Cherokee to my eye. Put an Audi grill on it and you would have a big Audi. Q7 ish?

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    ruking1 said:

    I must be right in the middle somewhere in VW seats "behavioral numbers" land. The four seats (I have) are completely different. Yet, I have never had an issue in the longer 6 hours to 11 hours range. None of the seats happen to be leather: 1 fabric, 3 "leatherette", if I can use that term.

    I was always impressed with my sister's '00 New Beetle seats (did several 7 hour drives in it). The seats always felt overly firm at first sitting but they really were comfy.
  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289
    edited November 2016
    stever said:

    That's always the toughest part for me. You can't really tell on a typical test drive and it's hard to get a demo for the weekend. Renting the Prius was great, that should be the norm at every dealer so you don't have to take your chances at Enterprise.

    I'd happily pay for a rental just for the insurance factor to avoid winding up with a car that kills my back after two hours (our used Subie was bad that way). We really lucked out on the Quest - best seats ever, including some old 70s Volvos I had experience with and they were always the standard.

    Besides the seat comfort, I gotta have splay room for my knees, and all too often big consoles eat up space for no good reason.

    I have to agree with you on all points. Back about 3 years ago, I was quite close to buying a new CR-V. But I couldn't quite decide about the seats and seating position, and I was not able to rent one, so ... No sale.



    2023 Chevrolet Silverado, 2019 Chrysler Pacifica
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2016
    I'm glad the seat comfort issue doesn't affect too many folks. (my swag far less than 6.25% or half a SD) Tcan be many layers of complexity even in drivers' seating.

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    fintail said:

    Any word on ocean liner emissions? Oh wait, the eco-dorks don't chase that issue ;)

    Re: the VW SUV, I like marketing speak. Timelessness and precision? I suppose it isn't busy-insectoid-overstyled like it would be if it was a Toyota, but it still looks like it weighs about 9000 lbs.


    stever said:

    I thought natural gas was better for short hauls since you'd have overnight to gas up at your local terminal.

    The shipping part of the transport sector sounds like it is getting better.

    Truck diesel emissions at Port of Oakland down 98 percent in past decade (ajot.com)

    Some people consider weight and size a safety feature. Never mind that additional weight reduces handling and braking (increases braking distance), which of course, reduces your ability to avoid an accident all together.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Ruking: To cut to the chase, there are not many faults a good custom sheepskin seat cover does not remedy.

    Love our sheepskins. Custom made by SuperLamb. Worth the $750 for the pair. Also protects the leather. I have done several 10 hour straight drives with 2 stops for food and potty. My back takes it fine.

  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Houdini: I like the looks of the Atlas. Needs a diesel though. Also looks bigger than a Grand Cherokee to my eye. Put an Audi grill on it and you would have a big Audi. Q7 ish?

    The Atlas will be 9 inches longer than the JGC and 10 inches longer than the Touareg. The Atlas is just a couple inches shy of the Q7. I am not interested in a 3rd row of seating, if it can be ordered without it. I would like the extra room for trips.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2016
    On other diesel news ! (WSJ- way longer article BUT...)

    ..."Gasoline futures lost 3.62 cents, or 2.4%, to $1.4479, a one-month low. Diesel futures lost 5.04 cents, or 3.3%, to $1.4665 a gallon, also a one-month low."...

    Totally contradicts the Eco Cons oil shortage propaganda ! Not that this article sets out to do that . http://www.wsj.com/articles/oil-prices-slip-as-production-deal-prospects-fade-1478085559
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    gagrice said:

    Houdini: I like the looks of the Atlas. Needs a diesel though. Also looks bigger than a Grand Cherokee to my eye. Put an Audi grill on it and you would have a big Audi. Q7 ish?

    The Atlas will be 9 inches longer than the JGC and 10 inches longer than the Touareg. The Atlas is just a couple inches shy of the Q7. I am not interested in a 3rd row of seating, if it can be ordered without it. I would like the extra room for trips.

    But, would you really consider it if it lacks diesel as an option?
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    gagrice said:

    Houdini: I like the looks of the Atlas. Needs a diesel though. Also looks bigger than a Grand Cherokee to my eye. Put an Audi grill on it and you would have a big Audi. Q7 ish?

    The Atlas will be 9 inches longer than the JGC and 10 inches longer than the Touareg. The Atlas is just a couple inches shy of the Q7. I am not interested in a 3rd row of seating, if it can be ordered without it. I would like the extra room for trips.

    Price wise, it fits between the Tiguan and the Touareg.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2016
    ...And so goes the progress I talked about some months ago for VW C. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volkswagen-board-discuss-brand-overhaul-191258725.html

    Were VW diesel's "thrown under the bus" to get MASSIVE tax & investment benefits for EV vehicles? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-house-republicans-want-answers-vw-settlements-184445610--finance.html
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,185
    A little help for a fellow poster?

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited November 2016
    It seems a waste to start a whole separate topic. You could redirect him (here) rather than start a new (potentially) low-person count topic. So, happy to help.

    Right NOW , there are no SPECIFIC old TDI NEW car VW incentives. What I have experienced since 2002, are specific, & short term & rotating incentives. A more left/right brain question would be to ask the other OEMs (that you may be shopping ) : do THEY have an old VW TDI incentive? The way one asks the question might trigger them to be more competitive than they might have been. If they do not have them or even better incentives, why would you want to buy from them?

    What I would do: call whatever VW dealer/s that you want/like/will deal with & ask them to call you when broader VW incentives hit them/each etc. I also don't mean just local. They might surprise you with even more regional incentives!

    Now, the process could be as simple to as totally complex, as one wants to make it. Or in between as the process can/happens to evolve. Flexibility is the key. Needless to say it pays to do ones' homework.

    So for example, like you, I don't see any reason to throw VW under the bus, so to speak. Really, does one think any specific to other OEMs are so much better than VW ?

    Now I totally understand there are the small % of folks that are totally PO'd at VW. Now if they're looking for my advice, that's one thing.

    BUT.... when I look at MY anecdotal experiences with VW, they has been very fair (good). I've pretty much listed examples why. Now for me, I'm annoyed @ VW dropping TDI's. But then, they've dropped TDI's from 2005/6 to 2008, starting again with the 2009 TDI.

    So for example, while I was trying to buy the 2014 MB 250 BT, I was made aware (in deep detail) of 6 to 12 (simply to radically different) UNCLAIMED units on the boat. (There are TMI's beyond TMI's) The other truth, even committed orders can be in play!

    Here is an interesting sample: (NON VW) ZERO %, 72 mo, $1,000, NorCA. 12/5 expires.
    http://www.northerncalifornia.buyatoyota.com/en/offer-detail/?offerid=prius_apr_1477506862602&utm_medium=Dis&utm_content=Prius_apr&utm_campaign=PROGRAMMATIC&utm_source=GDN
    From the ad, can one guess what they are really looking for?
    All the best!
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,185
    ruking1 said:

    It seems a waste to start a whole separate topic. You could redirect him (here) rather than start a new (potentially) low-person count topic. So, happy to help.

    Right NOW , there are no SPECIFIC TDI NEW car VW incentives. What I have experienced since 2002, are specific, & short term & rotating incentives.

    What I would do is call whatever VW dealer/s that you want/like/will deal with & ask them to call you when incentives hit them/each etc. They might surprise you with even more incentives! All the best!

    We don't want to discourage folks from starting new threads ...

    You wouldn't believe the number of topics like this - half a dozen posts, then nothing.

    I'm happy to cut/paste your information into the other thread.

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The ONLY incentive VW could offer me would be a new VW diesel. If they drop their diesels they have lost me as a customer. No matter how generous they are in the case of a buy back of my Touareg TDI. One of the reasons I bought my 2013 Touareg TDI was this comparison that the VW won over Jeep, MB, BMW and Porsche. I expect them to maintain that high standard to keep their customers. No cheesy gassers wanted.

    http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2014-jeep-grand-cherokee-summit-ecodiesel-4x4-vs-2013-volkswagen-touareg-tdi-2013-mercedes-benz-ml350-bluetec-4matic-2013-porsche-cayenne-diesel-2013-bmw-x5-xdrive35d-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-7
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