Minivan has been a shrinking niche too, and will become even more so when boomers finally start hanging em up, as I think they are a key consumer of that type. I still see a few frazzled hausfrau in minivans, but most have moved on to faux-butch devilspawn haulers. CUV and baby SUV are the darlings, and only a handful here (GLK especially) have ever had diesel. Maybe if the bloated wagons ever become passe, wagons will come back - but probably not.
Gosh darn those Hollywood elites, darn them all to heck
My previous post on the minivan Toyota Sienna had said as much. Most any and everybody that I know that has a minivan is/are NOT so called boomer/s. But then looking back on the 1936 model(mpg, minivan, etc.,) it was butt ugly then (81 years old) . Truthfully, not only is it butt ugly now, gasoline model performance is just (still) terrible. Small to mid sized cars ar less than 25 percent and shrinking.
What is truly hilarious are so called “faux-butch devilspawn haulers & baby SUVs” at its core, ...station wagons that a large percentage (to me unknown) of the US markets will in fact ...buy.
So all anybody needs to do to get more sedan station wagons back on US markets is/are to get more folks to buy ... more. But, I think that is pretty obvious. It’s also REAL obvious that a lot of people are NOT buying sedan station wagons.
Can't you get the little Ford Transit with a diesel? Or, is that just the big one?
Not going to buy Ford, no dealer in Pahrump. Only GM and Jeep, Ram Chrysler. I only do Costco in Las Vegas because it is so close to the end of the beautiful drive through Red Rock Canyon. I am making my life simpler with everything I need within 3-4 miles. Shopping, hospitals and doctors, car dealer and lots of good restaurants.
The 2003 VW Jetta TDI sedan is being stalked! The daughter has gotten business cards & notes asking to call in case of selling interest. Some couple almost freaked her out by physically approaching the car to talk with her about it. They also left contact numbers.
I was kidding her: first $10,000 cash $100 bills, wire or cashiers check takes it ! (Edmunds.com lists an obo off $7,999 listed)
Even though I’ve been very happy with two diesel sedans, I will probably not buy another sedan, even though I have long been able to buy specific cars for specific purposes.
My sense is that the (2018) used sedan car markets will have the best deals, yet solid pricing; but will not be as good as (compact to large) CUV’s.
I have to pinch myself knowing that the 2009 Jetta TDI & 2012 Touareg TDI used (buy back) car pricing are probably once in a blue moon. Catching the VW’s stock slides & pops were also (much more than) a hoot!!
The 2003 VW Jetta TDI is being stalked! The daughter has gotten business cards & notes asking to call in case of selling interest. Some couple almost freaked her out by physically approaching the car to talk with her about it. They also left contact numbers.
I was kidding her: first $10,000 cash $100 bills, wire or cashiers check takes it ! (Edmunds.com lists an obo off $7,999 listed)
Even though I’ve been very happy with two diesel sedans, I will probably not buy another sedan, even though I have long been able to buy specific cars for specific purposes.
My sense is that the (2018) used sedan car markets will have the best deals, yet solid pricing; but will not be as good as (compact to large) CUV’s.
I have to pinch myself knowing that the 2009 Jetta TDI & 2012 Touareg TDI used (buy back) car pricing are probably once in a blue moon. Catching the VW’s stock slides & pops were also (much more than) a hoot!!
Merry Christmas to those on this board.
So far for me was the stock slide of VLKAY. I bought in at $23xx and it is hanging around $40. I think it will hit $50 next year and I will sell. In IRA so no immediate CG when I sell. Just the percentage they force me to take from the fund each year.
Yup! The market really puts opportunity out there!
Got to love those eco con’s policies? ! The local utility fell from high of $71.57, to low of $44.50 (-27.07) in a very short period of time. Yee Haw! The dividend has been suspended, temporarily, ...they say, in anticipation of punishments of the usual suspects. (That fellow Chicken Little is working overtime) Some lawsuits are trying to place partial, if not all the blame for the Santa Rosa, CA fires on the local utilities. I can’t wait for the inevitable rise in kWh electrical prices?
It’s really sad because some people ( of the known app 8,500 parcels) that are trying to rebuild “exactly” what they lost are getting hit with fees of up to $50,000 & being forced to do upgrades not (IAW) in accordance with the original plans.
But real life: is pivot, pivot, pivot!? Given the price & dividend falls, there will be times to get back into it. Till then, more play time.
So is anyone building a diesel mini van? I may want one. 7 passenger minimum diesel.
I would love to see this. I keep eyeballing the Ford Transit Connect, which seems like it would be an excellent candidate for a small diesel power plant. They already have tiny gasoline engines (turbo and non) in them, and I hear they are neither good on economy or power.
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My previous post on the minivan Toyota Sienna had said as much. Most any and everybody that I know that has a minivan is/are NOT so called boomer/s. But then looking back on the 1936 model(mpg, minivan, etc.,) it was butt ugly then (81 years old) . Truthfully, not only is it butt ugly now, gasoline model performance is just (still) terrible. Small to mid sized cars ar less than 25 percent and shrinking.
What is truly hilarious are so called “faux-butch devilspawn haulers & baby SUVs” at its core, ...station wagons that a large percentage (to me unknown) of the US markets will in fact ...buy.
So all anybody needs to do to get more sedan station wagons back on US markets is/are to get more folks to buy ... more. But, I think that is pretty obvious. It’s also REAL obvious that a lot of people are NOT buying sedan station wagons.
LOL! Best post in a while!
Even when they don't want to be, people are practical in their cores. Since I was a teen, I have praised the practical functionality of both vans and wagons. Regardless of their form, the fact that these vehicles have come do dominate the market makes me smile just a little.
Granted, there are many other details (diesel, manual transmission, option of a nanny-less driving experience) that are woefully under-represented, but the widespread availability of hatches and wagons being marketed as CUV/SUV needs no further justification.
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I was just looking at the GLC’s 2016/2017 MPG figures @ fuelly.com 2.0L gas/9 sp A/T. The improvement over the V6 3.5 L/7sp A/T, gas engines mpg seems marginal @ best.
Naturally, I would be interested in how the 9 speed A/T performs with a 2.1 L bluetec, or latest rendition.
On the diesel side, 36.38 mpg, ULSD $3.25, 14 MB GLK 250 BT, 2.1L, 7 sp A/T, t t, the GLC’s predecessor, normal*2.
When I go to Germany, I like to pick up a copy of the current Auto Motor und Sport "Autokauf", which is a thick catalog with data about every vehicle available on the German market.
For the GLC, it lists 5l/100km for both 220d and 250d. Both cars are different tunings of the 2.1 with the 9-speed.
Your GLK BT is a keeper, I think that will end up being a pretty rare car, and maybe in some demand from MB enthusiasts.
While I normally wonder what the market conversions would be, 47 mpg (US gal ULSD, aka 128 oz) for 2016,2017,2018 MB GLC’s, US markets would be indeed exciting! Not that we are unhappy with 36 mpg, 4 matic.
A wow each for both the high and low price !
For at least 14 years (since 2004) the http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produit/FichePDF/lang_1/5833.pdf diesel oil specification VW 507.00 has been extremely robust! ( 30,000 Kms to 50,000 Kms. (18,641 miles to 31,068 miles ) Indeed, app 30,000 miles OCI’s have clocked over app 433,000 miles.
I have, of course run 20,000 miles OCI’s (Mobil 1) on gasoline engines for app 1.225 M miles vs diesels.
Amazon was (2014) having a great sale ($3.75 to $4.25 per, as I recall, specification update/change) on Mobil One ESP 5w40, TMI story here 2, so I bought 5 each 6 packs of those, shipping included, specifically 120,000 miles worth. So 36 mpg has been/is being (57,000 miles) posted with 5w40 oil. I would surmise better mpg with the lower viscosity, i.e., ESP 0w30.
Oils can be bought from 55 gal dealer size to 32 oz qt/33.8 oz liter.
Amazon was (2014) having a great sale ($3.75 to $4.25 per, as I recall, specification update/change) on Mobil One ESP 5w40, TMI story here 2, so I bought 5 each 6 packs of those, shipping included, specifically 120,000 miles worth. So 36 mpg has been/is being (57,000 miles) posted with 5w40 oil. I would surmise better mpg with the lower viscosity, i.e., ESP 0w30.
Oils can be bought from 55 gal dealer size to 32 oz qt/33.8 oz liter.
Dealer did oil change and DEF top off as per free 2 year 24,000 mile service. Canyon was almost to 7k miles of roundtrips San Diego to Pahrump. I asked the service guy what oil they use. He showed me before he dumped it in. Mobil 1 synthetic 5W40. It had 3000 on it. Which I don't find on the website for my truck. At least it was Mobil1 synthetic for diesel engines. I notice the price on the invoice was $6.95 per bottle. Over that 6800 I have added about 4 gallons of DEF myself. I would imagine it gets gobbled up going 75-80 MPH fully loaded. When my free service is ended I will be looking for deals on DEF. I had two jugs for adding to the Touareg. I must say adding DEF to the GMC is far easier with the filler along side the diesel filler. Still no word on modifying the VW Touareg TDI. I assume they will come out and pick it up and return it to Pahrump.
Assuming the dealer is using the correct DIESEL specification oil, your manual shoul list the correct diesel specifications. Once the actual specification/s is/are known, the brand niche choices opens up considerably. One bottom line becomes, you can then shop on price.
Over 433,000 diesel miles (14 years also) I’ve been noticing little to no (documented) winter loss. (change) In some ways, this is a bit puzzling, as gasoline product loss is easy to note & notice.(Minus- 10% to -15%) EV seems to be posting 40% +?
Due to work schedules, we’ve done more than a few 210 miles long (diesel)“commutes” in nearly bumper to bumper traffic to South Lake Tahoe from San Jose, CA.
Filling after the low fuel lamp lights, posts a pretty consistent 36 mpg, w/s/s/f. This last posted 36 mpg. (553 miles/15.2 gal=36.38)
2 item TMI & non diesel related items: 1. psi changes +/- 1 # every 10 F degrees. This can & does have an mpg effect. 2. While watching an Xmas day NBA TV game, Exxon Mobil is advertising 7 additives, not including 10% ethanol. & winterization additives.
There are huge & many deals in gasoline used car land! ? There is a big push to sell 17.55M NEW cars 2017. There are easily 34 M (2017)use car transactions.
If VW ever gets around to modifying my Touareg and giving me the cash, I will likely see what the market will bear on a Pristine 2013 Touareg TDI Lux. I will get top dollar or keep it in the garage for occasional road trips. Though I am more likely to take the GMC Canyon diesel. Headed up to Death Valley today with wife's grandson. I like the extra clearance on the 4x4 PU.
Just calculated cost of DEF for the first 6800 miles on our GMC. $.0044 per mile. Hardly worth thinking about with Walmart selling Peak DEF at $10.98 for 2.5 gallons.
I’m going to guess that in 10 years or so, buyers will be absolutely besotted to find a pristine 2013 VW Touareg TDI in a NV. desert garage! (under wraps, on jacks & battery charger) The winner will be @ top $, funds in your chosen account, all cash in $100. bills or certified bank cashiers check.
I’m grateful for 60 mo zero down & % financing! I literally did not do one oil change (on my own dime) before the buyback! I’ve also never gotten paid/reimbursed to drive a car for 5 plus years. The brouhaha was also central to great VW stocks market opportunities; slightly before, during & after (very slow comparatively) . It’s very hard for me to look these gift horses in the mouths! VW, by far has been a fantastic auto oem !
We are totally enjoying the 2014 MB GLK 250 BT! The Twin Turbo 2.1 L diesel has been seamless!
I’ve have had extremely good luck with a 17 year-old (GM) Corvette Z06 (385 # ft) I still follow its (going forward) progress. It’s absolutely wild to think of (current) 650 # ft of torque!
I have not gotten one word out of VW about the modification on the Touareg. I did all the registration and checked to make sure I am on the list. Just found out I have to file a claim with Bosch to get the money they are paying. I wonder if they are hoping we all wear out our diesels so they get off the hook. Nothing from VW since October 2017. I am getting tired of the hold up.
I think the neatest thing is CARB & EPA are not lighting fires under VW & you to get emissions modifications done, given proper registration.
De facto, the next (NV) smog only emissions check (without modifications) will give you @ least another two-year operating period.
One can still chose non operation (NV) status & that should preserve your September 2015 used car values, with non operation status saving you a series of fees, while you put zero mileage on it. It seems that holding a non modified Touareg TDI 3.0 L longer is panning out to have higher resale value.
The two TDI turn ins are now history, for me. The buyback monies received & operational monies saved are bearing way more fruit than if I’d kept the TDI’s..
If I’m perceived as being too vague for this general site, here is a smog certification example.
A planned NON operation will REQUIRE a smog certification ONLY upon planned operation.
I put the 2003 VW Jetta TDI on NON, no smog nor other operation fees were due. When put back IN operation, those fees & smog test (the diesel smog test measures ZERO emissions) were due.
All of the above! It is amuzing. It is really, really, really insignificant (that’s liberal speak for emissions not measurable) . Feet drag is court ordered, contractual & because they can.
I don't plan to register the Touareg in NV until the CA license is near due. No diesel smog tests in Pahrump, NV. Only Clark and Washoe counties. Las Vegas and Reno. Would like to think I could do as well as I did with the 2005 VW Passat wagon TDI. I don't think any profit is in the equation.
After the ridiculous penalty phase of Dieselgate, which I fully believe was political and based on tender feelings, I have to snicker a little about VW dragging it out.
Happy New Year’s to those that follow this topic site!
Nor would I register before I absolutely had to !
It’s hard to “ fog” ball $$’s before during & after TDI emissions modifications. We already know the EPA is not about to jack boot a NV TDI in non/ops status. Well I’m really advocating us to stay within the parameters to the absolute edge of the envelope. $$ Values @ September 2015 modified by miles are two starting points.
Indeed CARB/EPA “diesel gate” was beyond light years ridiculous. $$’s & politically based factors among others are the places to follow the real money flows.
Garage to garage, 42.5 mpg computer calculated @ 66 mph. The New Year’s eve traffic flows out of South Lake Tahoe, CA to SJ, CA were very light.
I would hate to register and pay the big fees in Nevada and then sell it. It is also due for a service. I was hoping to get the service and mods done all at the same time. My local GM dealer has a good service dept. I may have them change the oil. Mobil suggests Mobil 1™ ESP Formula 5W-30 for my Touareg TDI. Any comments on that choice for the Touareg TDI?
The short answer, the M1 guide says that 5w30 meets the VW 507.00 oil specification. If so, & per se, I’d have ZERO issues using it.
But I remember you writing in a past post, you have other services warranties/ guarantees like free brake pad & rotor replacement. I’d used that at a the dealer if you have that on tap.
The short answer, the M1 guide says that 5w30 meets the VW 507.00 oil specification. If so, & per se, I’d have ZERO issues using it.
But I remember you writing in a past post, you have other services warranties/ guarantees like free brake pad & rotor replacement. I’d used that at a the dealer if you have that on tap.
My free service was for 4 years, 48k miles. I had the last free service at 38K miles and am now at 45k miles. "Service now" pops up every time I start it up. I don't think the dealer reset the computer as it shows 1017 days since last service, which is not true. It was about a year ago. I don't want to waste a day in Las Vegas getting it serviced if they are going to do the Mod very soon. I will stop at the GM service and see if they carry that M1 ESP oil. Also will need the proper filter. Don't mind leaving it there. Only 2.4 miles from home. They will shuttle me home and back.
I don’t remember the exact reset service now lamp procedure, but its in the owners manual.
I would recommend oil filters: Mann, Mahle, or the OEM. They are designed and specified to go 31,068 miles/50,000 Kms. The longer answer to oil experiences: Mobil One, Mobil One EPS, Delvac One, BP, Total INEO. There is a lot of history and UOA’s on Bobistheoilguy.com. If I recall correctly, 3.0L Tourareg TDI will take approximately shy of 9 L/quarts. (electronic dipstick) Having one or two L/qts on hand would be a good idea.
But the on the other hand, I had no issues running Fram ($2.50)or Walmart ($1.99) oil filters gasoline, with 20,000 miles oci’s, over 1.5 M miles. From that point of you it’s been absolutely stunning to absolutely boring.
ADVANTAGE DIESEL! ( above and below )
...”Garage to garage, 42.5 mpg computer calculated @ 66 mph. The New Year’s eve traffic flows out of South Lake Tahoe, CA to SJ, CA were very light”...
The car got app 6.5 mpg better, when seemingly driven more like how I perceive Fintail to drive his non 4 matic sedan! ? I’m sure mpg would be even more exciting, if my wife learned to use “snooze” control in the appropriate parts of this down grade leg. Where is Geddes (mpg guru) when ya need him?
This 210 miles leg was done in wintertime with a expected loss - of 10 to 15% (-3.6 mpg to -5.4 mpg) .!? Instead, there was a gain of app 18.05 % (36 mpg avg).!?
The challenge was lost by RUG/PUG gasoline, gasoline hybrid, E10, E15, E85, EV (-40%) .!? So why would anybody wanna get 36 mpg to 42.5 mpg, when they can get 19 to 22 mpg ?
And here the environmental cons/CARB wants to get rid of 93 %+ better mpg!
Interesting that the topic of the diesel "fix" was up over the last few days. I have my Q7 down in Anchorage right now for the applied fix, which should have been today. However, there was a mysterious "NOx sensor" failure, which was invisible to me as an operator (e.g., no CEL, etc.), and they say this needs to be fixed before they will apply the "recall," as they're terming it.
My wife wasn't willing to stick around in Anchorage waiting on it, so we headed home in their loaner vehicle, and I'll go back at some point to fetch the Q7 when they have it squared away.
However, it was only a week or two from the time I submitted the final paperwork on the claims site to when they said I could schedule a repair, and that was way back in mid November. I could have scheduled the visit as early as mid-December.
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As for the loaner, they gave me a Q3 with the 2.0L gasoline turbo. Requires premium fuel, which is about twenty cents over diesel, and it gave me a little worse economy on the way home than the Q7 did on the trip down (27.4 vs 29.0 on the on-board computers). This, for a vehicle about half the size (if that).
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As for the loaner, they gave me a Q3 with the 2.0L gasoline turbo. Requires premium fuel, which is about twenty cents over diesel, and it gave me a little worse economy on the way home than the Q7 did on the trip down (27.4 vs 29.0 on the on-board computers). This, for a vehicle about half the size (if that).
I think the Q3 only comes with that engine, now. Originally, the FWD models came with a 1.8L, which was evidently very, very slow.
Interesting that the topic of the diesel "fix" was up over the last few days. I have my Q7 down in Anchorage right now for the applied fix, which should have been today. However, there was a mysterious "NOx sensor" failure, which was invisible to me as an operator (e.g., no CEL, etc.), and they say this needs to be fixed before they will apply the "recall," as they're terming it.
My wife wasn't willing to stick around in Anchorage waiting on it, so we headed home in their loaner vehicle, and I'll go back at some point to fetch the Q7 when they have it squared away.
However, it was only a week or two from the time I submitted the final paperwork on the claims site to when they said I could schedule a repair, and that was way back in mid November. I could have scheduled the visit as early as mid-December.
So did you have to contact the dealer for the modification on your Q7 TDI? Maybe I will give the Las Vegas dealer a call and find out if they are doing mods on Touareg TDIs yet.
Yes, contact the dealer. The VW settlement portal, in turning in the (my) TDI’s, directed one to set up an (in my case, a turn in) appointment @ the local dealer, of one’s choice. I’m sure they can get your data and then arrange for a recall appointment, at your convenience.
Of the 2018 diesel CUV choices, the Jaguar F Pace, BMW X5 35D look to be 2 good choices. The 418# ft of torque is calling to me.
Yes, contact the dealer. The VW settlement portal, in turning in the (my) TDI’s, directed one to set up an (in my case, a turn in) appointment @ the local dealer, of one’s choice. I’m sure they can get your data and then arrange for a recall appointment, at your convenience.
Of the 2018 diesel CUV choices, the Jaguar F Pace, BMW X5 35D look to be 2 good choices. The 418# ft of torque is calling to me.
I am leaning more toward the GMC Terrain diesel. Dealer is 2.4 miles from home. Small diesel appeals to me for all the short trips we take. Unless we go to Costco in Las Vegas, nothing is more than 6 miles from the house. Most posted 35-45 MPH. Not really ideal for diesels. EV would not be wise for trip to Vegas either. A diesel hybrid might work, if one existed in the US.
Yes, contact the dealer. The VW settlement portal, in turning in the (my) TDI’s, directed one to set up an (in my case, a turn in) appointment @ the local dealer, of one’s choice. I’m sure they can get your data and then arrange for a recall appointment, at your convenience.
Of the 2018 diesel CUV choices, the Jaguar F Pace, BMW X5 35D look to be 2 good choices. The 418# ft of torque is calling to me.
Is the Jaguar diesel the 4-cyl or the 6-cyl? I was fortunate enough to ride along on a test drive of both the RR Velar (4-cyl) and the RR Discovery (6-cyl). The 4-cyl was underpowered in a vehicle the size of the Velar (which is the RR version of the F-Pace). The 6-cyl diesel in the Discovery was much better, in terms of power.
@gagrice - is the diesel in the Terrain the one that is in your Canyon? Or, is it the one from the Cruze?
Another thing to consider here is diesel is on average about 50 cents per gallon more than RUG. I am paying $2.72 for diesel and they are selling RUG for $2.22 on CC. Making the decision to stick with diesel a bit more difficult.
I did not need to directly contact the dealer, though there were a few details that were not given via the portal-based communications. The dealer didn't seem to have any issues at all with the initial work for accepting the vehicle for the recall. They did, however, need my claim number to initiate the work order. So, make sure you have that on any contact, as it will likely come in useful.
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Yes, contact the dealer. The VW settlement portal, in turning in the (my) TDI’s, directed one to set up an (in my case, a turn in) appointment @ the local dealer, of one’s choice. I’m sure they can get your data and then arrange for a recall appointment, at your convenience.
Of the 2018 diesel CUV choices, the Jaguar F Pace, BMW X5 35D look to be 2 good choices. The 418# ft of torque is calling to me.
Is the Jaguar diesel the 4-cyl or the 6-cyl? I was fortunate enough to ride along on a test drive of both the RR Velar (4-cyl) and the RR Discovery (6-cyl). The 4-cyl was underpowered in a vehicle the size of the Velar (which is the RR version of the F-Pace). The 6-cyl diesel in the Discovery was much better, in terms of power.
@gagrice - is the diesel in the Terrain the one that is in your Canyon? Or, is it the one from the Cruze?
On the 4/6 cylinder issue, I’m not sure. The drill on the Jaguar F Pace is that it (the TDI still in the power train /8 sp AT) got a total redesign, (one or two years ago?) to meet or exceed the Porsche Macan (small CUV) ! ? The engine options are pretty amazing; given that you can get up to a gas V8! The auto testers of course lather all over the V8, gas.
Correction: there is not a V8. I stand corrected, I was cross reading about the 2018 BMW X5.
My daughter tells me of a colleague that got a total lemon a Jaguar F Pace TDI. But indeed four engine options are pretty amazing. Too bad they didn’t have 3 more diesel options.
A close (Doctor) friend that got a BMW X3 gas had a catastophic GAS engine failure with very low/few miles. He was unhappy about it enough to tell me to stay away! He is a lifelong BMW fan. While I like the concept of the BMW X3 (35d, 413 # ft in a smaller CUV) forewarned is forearmed.
Yes, contact the dealer. The VW settlement portal, in turning in the (my) TDI’s, directed one to set up an (in my case, a turn in) appointment @ the local dealer, of one’s choice. I’m sure they can get your data and then arrange for a recall appointment, at your convenience.
Of the 2018 diesel CUV choices, the Jaguar F Pace, BMW X5 35D look to be 2 good choices. The 418# ft of torque is calling to me.
Is the Jaguar diesel the 4-cyl or the 6-cyl? I was fortunate enough to ride along on a test drive of both the RR Velar (4-cyl) and the RR Discovery (6-cyl). The 4-cyl was underpowered in a vehicle the size of the Velar (which is the RR version of the F-Pace). The 6-cyl diesel in the Discovery was much better, in terms of power.
@gagrice - is the diesel in the Terrain the one that is in your Canyon? Or, is it the one from the Cruze?
On the 4/6 cylinder issue, I’m not sure. The drill on the Jaguar F pace is that Jaguar TDI got a total redesign, one or two years ago? to meet or exceed the Porsche Macan (small CUV) ! ? The engine options are pretty amazing; given that you can get up to a gas eight cylinder!
Sorry to have to correct you, but there are only four engine options available for the F-Pace:
Ingenium 2.0 liter 4 cylinder 247 HP Turbocharged Engine Ingenium 2.0 liter 4 cylinder 180 HP Turbocharged Diesel Engine Ingenium 2.0 liter 4 cylinder 296 HP Turbocharged Engine (same as first engine, just more boost and power) 3.0 liter V6 380 HP Supercharged Engine
Way off topic, but we had a nice little 4.4 R/S earthquake, centered @ around the Claremont Hotel (near the University of California, Berkeley) in the hills, Berkeley, CA.
Is this great for gas and diesel cars bought USED out of CA state?
As much as I love diesel engines, I will not buy any new vehicle if I have to drive long distance to a dealer. That eliminates, BMW, MB, Jag, VW and even Ford. If it is not a GM or Jeep "C" vehicle it is off my radar as a replacement for the Touareg TDI. Which I may just keep after it is modified and I have the $7300 check in the bank. I will for sure not take some low ball trade-in price. Jeep supposedly got the go ahead to sell their diesel Grand Cherokee, which I could like. Or maybe a Jeep Wrangler if they sell their popular diesel model in the US.
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Gosh darn those Hollywood elites, darn them all to heck
What is truly hilarious are so called “faux-butch devilspawn haulers & baby SUVs” at its core, ...station wagons
So all anybody needs to do to get more sedan station wagons back on US markets is/are to get more folks to buy ... more. But, I think that is pretty obvious. It’s also REAL obvious that a lot of people are NOT buying sedan station wagons.
Oh, those exist as diesels in Europe too, just not for here.
I was kidding her: first $10,000 cash $100 bills, wire or cashiers check takes it !
Even though I’ve been very happy with two diesel sedans, I will probably not buy another sedan, even though I have long been able to buy specific cars for specific purposes.
My sense is that the (2018) used sedan car markets will have the best deals, yet solid pricing; but will not be as good as (compact to large) CUV’s.
I have to pinch myself knowing that the 2009 Jetta TDI & 2012 Touareg TDI used (buy back) car pricing are probably once in a blue moon. Catching the VW’s stock slides & pops were also (much more than) a hoot!!
Merry Christmas to those on this board.
Got to love those eco con’s policies? ! The local utility fell from high of $71.57, to low of $44.50 (-27.07) in a very short period of time. Yee Haw! The dividend has been suspended, temporarily, ...they say, in anticipation of punishments of the usual suspects. (That fellow Chicken Little is working overtime) Some lawsuits are trying to place partial, if not all the blame for the Santa Rosa, CA fires on the local utilities. I can’t wait for the inevitable rise in kWh electrical prices?
It’s really sad because some people ( of the known app 8,500 parcels) that are trying to rebuild “exactly” what they lost are getting hit with fees of up to $50,000 & being forced to do upgrades not (IAW) in accordance with the original plans.
But real life: is pivot, pivot, pivot!? Given the price & dividend falls, there will be times to get back into it. Till then, more play time.
Even when they don't want to be, people are practical in their cores. Since I was a teen, I have praised the practical functionality of both vans and wagons. Regardless of their form, the fact that these vehicles have come do dominate the market makes me smile just a little.
Granted, there are many other details (diesel, manual transmission, option of a nanny-less driving experience) that are woefully under-represented, but the widespread availability of hatches and wagons being marketed as CUV/SUV needs no further justification.
Naturally, I would be interested in how the 9 speed A/T performs with a 2.1 L bluetec, or latest rendition.
On the diesel side, 36.38 mpg, ULSD $3.25, 14 MB GLK 250 BT, 2.1L, 7 sp A/T, t t, the GLC’s predecessor, normal*2.
For the GLC, it lists 5l/100km for both 220d and 250d. Both cars are different tunings of the 2.1 with the 9-speed.
Your GLK BT is a keeper, I think that will end up being a pretty rare car, and maybe in some demand from MB enthusiasts.
228 are for sale.
High price is a 2015 7400 mile unit in OKC, for $38K
Low price is for a 2013 with (get this) 224K for $15K
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A wow each for both the high and low price !
For at least 14 years (since 2004) the http://www.lubadmin.com/upload/produit/FichePDF/lang_1/5833.pdf diesel oil specification VW 507.00 has been extremely robust! ( 30,000 Kms to 50,000 Kms. (18,641 miles to 31,068 miles ) Indeed, app 30,000 miles OCI’s have clocked over app 433,000 miles.
I have, of course run 20,000 miles OCI’s (Mobil 1) on gasoline engines for app 1.225 M miles vs diesels.
Mobil One ESP X1 0w30, ESP 5w30. https://mobiloil.com/en/product-selector?Year=2014&Make=TWVyY2VkZXMtQmVueg==&Model=R0xLMjUw&Engine=Qmx1ZXRlYyA0TWF0aWMgNC1DeWwgMi4xIChCbHVldGVjKSAoRElFU0VMKQ==
But Mobil One’s web cite shows 5 viscosities under 4 specifications that are fine. Some are forwards and some are backwards compatible. And then there’s Mobile Delvac.
Amazon was (2014) having a great sale ($3.75 to $4.25 per, as I recall, specification update/change) on Mobil One ESP 5w40, TMI story here 2, so I bought 5 each 6 packs of those, shipping included, specifically 120,000 miles worth. So 36 mpg has been/is being (57,000 miles) posted with 5w40 oil. I would surmise better mpg with the lower viscosity, i.e., ESP 0w30.
Oils can be bought from 55 gal dealer size to 32 oz qt/33.8 oz liter.
2040? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fossil-fuels-fare-2040-180000785.html
Assuming the dealer is using the correct DIESEL specification oil, your manual shoul list the correct diesel specifications. Once the actual specification/s is/are known, the brand niche choices opens up considerably. One bottom line becomes, you can then shop on price.
Due to work schedules, we’ve done more than a few 210 miles long (diesel)“commutes” in nearly bumper to bumper traffic to South Lake Tahoe from San Jose, CA.
Filling after the low fuel lamp lights, posts a pretty consistent 36 mpg, w/s/s/f. This last posted 36 mpg. (553 miles/15.2 gal=36.38)
2 item TMI & non diesel related items: 1. psi changes +/- 1 # every 10 F degrees. This can & does have an mpg effect. 2. While watching an Xmas day NBA TV game, Exxon Mobil is advertising 7 additives, not including 10% ethanol. & winterization additives.
There are huge & many deals in gasoline used car land! ? There is a big push to sell 17.55M NEW cars 2017. There are easily 34 M (2017)use car transactions.
Just calculated cost of DEF for the first 6800 miles on our GMC. $.0044 per mile. Hardly worth thinking about with Walmart selling Peak DEF at $10.98 for 2.5 gallons.
I’m grateful for 60 mo zero down & % financing! I literally did not do one oil change (on my own dime) before the buyback! I’ve also never gotten paid/reimbursed to drive a car for 5 plus years. The brouhaha was also central to great VW stocks market opportunities; slightly before, during & after (very slow comparatively) . It’s very hard for me to look these gift horses in the mouths! VW, by far has been a fantastic auto oem !
We are totally enjoying the 2014 MB GLK 250 BT! The Twin Turbo 2.1 L diesel has been seamless!
I’ve have had extremely good luck with a 17 year-old (GM) Corvette Z06 (385 # ft) I still follow its (going forward) progress. It’s absolutely wild to think of (current) 650 # ft of torque!
De facto, the next (NV) smog only emissions check (without modifications) will give you @ least another two-year operating period.
One can still chose non operation (NV) status & that should preserve your September 2015 used car values, with non operation status saving you a series of fees, while you put zero mileage on it. It seems that holding a non modified Touareg TDI 3.0 L longer is panning out to have higher resale value.
The two TDI turn ins are now history, for me. The buyback monies received & operational monies saved are bearing way more fruit than if I’d kept the TDI’s..
A planned NON operation will REQUIRE a smog certification ONLY upon planned operation.
I put the 2003 VW Jetta TDI on NON, no smog nor other operation fees were due. When put back IN operation, those fees & smog test (the diesel smog test measures ZERO emissions) were due.
Nor would I register before I absolutely had to !
It’s hard to “ fog” ball $$’s before during & after TDI emissions modifications. We already know the EPA is not about to jack boot a NV TDI in non/ops status. Well I’m really advocating us to stay within the parameters to the absolute edge of the envelope. $$ Values @ September 2015 modified by miles are two starting points.
Indeed CARB/EPA “diesel gate” was beyond light years ridiculous. $$’s & politically based factors among others are the places to follow the real money flows.
Garage to garage, 42.5 mpg computer calculated @ 66 mph. The New Year’s eve traffic flows out of South Lake Tahoe, CA to SJ, CA were very light.
The short answer, the M1 guide says that 5w30 meets the VW 507.00 oil specification. If so, & per se, I’d have ZERO issues using it.
But I remember you writing in a past post, you have other services warranties/ guarantees like free brake pad & rotor replacement. I’d used that at a the dealer if you have that on tap.
I would recommend oil filters: Mann, Mahle, or the OEM. They are designed and specified to go 31,068 miles/50,000 Kms. The longer answer to oil experiences: Mobil One, Mobil One EPS, Delvac One, BP, Total INEO. There is a lot of history and UOA’s on Bobistheoilguy.com. If I recall correctly, 3.0L Tourareg TDI will take approximately shy of 9 L/quarts. (electronic dipstick) Having one or two L/qts on hand would be a good idea.
But the on the other hand, I had no issues running Fram ($2.50)or Walmart ($1.99) oil filters gasoline, with 20,000 miles oci’s, over 1.5 M miles. From that point of you it’s been absolutely stunning to absolutely boring.
ADVANTAGE DIESEL! ( above and below )
...”Garage to garage, 42.5 mpg computer calculated @ 66 mph. The New Year’s eve traffic flows out of South Lake Tahoe, CA to SJ, CA were very light”...
The car got app 6.5 mpg better, when seemingly driven more like how I perceive Fintail to drive his non 4 matic sedan! ? I’m sure mpg would be even more exciting, if my wife learned to use “snooze” control in the appropriate parts of this down grade leg. Where is Geddes (mpg guru) when ya need him?
This 210 miles leg was done in wintertime with a expected loss - of 10 to 15% (-3.6 mpg to -5.4 mpg) .!? Instead, there was a gain of app 18.05 % (36 mpg avg).!?
The challenge was lost by RUG/PUG gasoline, gasoline hybrid, E10, E15, E85, EV (-40%) .!? So why would anybody wanna get 36 mpg to 42.5 mpg, when they can get 19 to 22 mpg ?
And here the environmental cons/CARB wants to get rid of 93 %+ better mpg!
So how can/does this affect diesel auto oems here?
China’s UNMIGATED coal fired power plants are the real drivers behind the forcing of the EV cars.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China
My wife wasn't willing to stick around in Anchorage waiting on it, so we headed home in their loaner vehicle, and I'll go back at some point to fetch the Q7 when they have it squared away.
However, it was only a week or two from the time I submitted the final paperwork on the claims site to when they said I could schedule a repair, and that was way back in mid November. I could have scheduled the visit as early as mid-December.
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Of the 2018 diesel CUV choices, the Jaguar F Pace, BMW X5 35D look to be 2 good choices. The 418# ft of torque is calling to me.
@gagrice - is the diesel in the Terrain the one that is in your Canyon? Or, is it the one from the Cruze?
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Correction: there is not a V8. I stand corrected, I was cross reading about the 2018 BMW X5.
My daughter tells me of a colleague that got a total lemon a Jaguar F Pace TDI. But indeed four engine options are pretty amazing. Too bad they didn’t have 3 more diesel options.
This link is a bit dated but still pretty applicable. https://www.edmunds.com/diesel/buying-guide/#diesel-suvs-pod
A close (Doctor) friend that got a BMW X3 gas had a catastophic GAS engine failure with very low/few miles. He was unhappy about it enough to tell me to stay away! He is a lifelong BMW fan. While I like the concept of the BMW X3 (35d, 413 # ft in a smaller CUV) forewarned is forearmed.
Ingenium 2.0 liter 4 cylinder 247 HP Turbocharged Engine
Ingenium 2.0 liter 4 cylinder 180 HP Turbocharged Diesel Engine
Ingenium 2.0 liter 4 cylinder 296 HP Turbocharged Engine (same as first engine, just more boost and power)
3.0 liter V6 380 HP Supercharged Engine
No 8 cylinder engine available.
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https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/bmw/x3/2018/overview
Is this great for gas and diesel cars bought USED out of CA state?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-bill-ban-fossil-fuel-120400191.html
In 2004, when I bought the $ 12.5 K Honda Civic, the 2004 Toyota Prius (competititor, but gasoline hybrid) was approximately $26 k.