I kind of like the NE coast of FL, say north of Daytona Beach, but I doubt diesels have any kind of foothold there - won't get a rental one there on vacation anyway
Yup, if one has been there (up/down A1A) it’s pretty easy to love it! The city/state/Fed takes care of a friends back yard because of sea turtle beach hatching, etc,. The governments even replace the beach sand when it erodes below a certain level. He is eligible for rebuild & loans in case of hurricane damage. Life is good!
Houses there are cheap as chips compared to here too, even oceanfront stuff isn't too insane. Of course, the economy isn't the hottest, and seems to be mainly retiree and tourist-driven, but I am visiting, not living there Driving from Jacksonville Beach down to Daytona on A1A is a relaxing day. In 2013 I drove in that area in a Sixt BMW, but of course, it was a gasser
Indeed, the space program was killed by the previous administration, and the area’s economic bottom fell out. I guess that was their idea of a “shovel ready”program.
Cheaper houses also keeps down the taxation due. The area’s economic recovery has been sparse & checkered @ best. My friend commuted to NYC to work for years.
St. Augustine, FL. in May 2018 should be right before the summer heat & humidity.
Well, I was thinking of the area from Daytona north, NASA stuff is south of there. In the area I was referring to, and really in most of that geographic region, it is low cost and low amenity. Low taxes, low cost housing, low wages, likely low socio-economic mobility, well, you know the rest. Norwegians won't be moving there.
Maybe as they say, cool place to visit, but I don't think I'd want to live there.
Nice weather that time of year, reasonable rates and some good restaurants, crowds are mostly gone. My last vacation there was on points for both air and rental car, so it was also frugal.
$120 R/T airfare to Jacksonville. ($330 with bags for two) $240 rental car for the week (split between two couples) $1270 condo rental for week (split between two couples)
One week in St Augustine: $1075 per couple, plus food and entertainment.
Wonder if the Emerald Aisle will have a diesel to rent?
With the weather in Seattle lately, you can't imagine how appealing it is to think of a few days at the beach. I am sure even more so for people in the upper midwest and New England. But I wouldn't have my diesel to drive, and I am not aware of a single diesel offering in any American mainstream rental fleet.
I am still waiting for VW to fix my Touareg TDI. May have to get proactive with them.
If anyone wants a PU to tow a trailer up to 7700 lbs, be sure and look at the GM Canyon/Colorado diesels. Just pulled my enclosed trailer totally packed from San Diego to Pahrump NV. Filled this morning with diesel @ $2.72 a gallon. 21.8 MPG towing a trailer at Interstate highway speeds. Stayed around 60 MPH most of the trip. Hit some good headwinds climbing Cajon Pass. Love this truck. Rarely shifted down to 5th gear pulling the hills. That is what diesel torque is all about. Passed a Ford F150 pulling a trailer up one of the hills. His gas engine screaming like a banshee.
Given what you are saying, FORD “ME2” Ranger version, 2019, 8 + years behind & probably $’s more than the GMC/Chevrolet’s is coming out?! It would be competitive with a 8/10 sp AT & 3.0 L TDI. I’d be intently curious what mpg a Ford (& competitors) would post in your scenarios.
3,777 ft to 7,350 ft altitudes, up/down grades that I know of & confirmed by others are taken in stride! (turbo 3.0L /406 # ft to twin turbo 2.1L/369 # ft, diesels)
@ those altitudes & below & above, I have/can still feel the (normally aspirated) V8 385 hp/torque (2001 Z06) engine lose both hp/torque, even as the engine & drivetrain (6 sp MT) is still very potent. The last time I did this, 25 mpg was posted (up/down grades, 420 miles, SLT, CA to SJ, CA.) Still yippee yahoo!
No, to everywhere else. But, ULSD cost .20 more @ whsle.
As you well know, CA instigated/legislated a $.12- gas -$.18 ULSD per gal tax raise!? Its a 20% great tax. It’s just another way to get “petty cash”, aka, billions in extra spending revenues for CA governmental spending addictions?! So Carson City NV diesel prices are $.56 cheaper per gallon than Folsom City CA. (range of where I can fuel)
It is probably not well known on this board, but the United States is actually well on its way to be a bigger oil producer than Saudi Arabia, approaching Russia.
Unfortunately diesel in Pahrump NV has been higher than RUG/PUG since we first starting looking for a home here almost a year ago. Today RUG is $2.29 and diesel $2.72. The bright side of course it is still far less per mile driven than comparable gas powered vehicles. Our many trips back and forth to San Diego from here the closest diesel prices in San Diego were 40 cents more. Last trip the cheapest diesel in San Diego was $3.49 vs $2.72 here. These are all CC prices. Not ready to test out the B20 scene. Though I think GMC has approved their diesels for B20. None for sale around here.
CA Highways 80, 50 & US Interstate 5 seems to be bedrocks for any number of major to minor transportation functions. The upshot: there are many fuel station choices offering VERY competitive pricing (& niches market services) on the fuller range of products: ULSD, B5, red dye diesel & of course biodiesel B20, E10, RUG, MGUG, PUG, E85.
TMI might be an outlet mall in Vacaville, CA (off Highway 80) has a EV station. Its located a stones throw from Men’s & Womens restrooms.
Correction: 530d to 540 d. The turbo diesel is an in line 6 cylinder.
Unfortunately, we would probably get no joy with X Drive (be required to chain up with/out snow tires, aka. does not look like a SUV/CUV) @ CA Trans chain control points.
Getting a tire repaired on my new GMC Canyon diesel at my dealership. They don't charge for tire repairs. Nice touch, not a warranty issue. Meanwhile I ran into my saleseman while looking at the new GMC Terrain diesel. Very nice CUV. Asked if I wanted to drive it. Time to kill why not. No shifter in the vehicle, jut buttons. Seem to work fine. GM has done their homework on the 1.6L turbo diesel. Very quiet inside the vehicle. No lag like both the Touareg TDI and GMC Canyon have. Smooth acceleration. Not eye popping in any way. Just nice smooth to 35 the speed limit then to 55 as we got out of town. I like it for sure. Rated 39 MPG on the highway. I would bet that can be beat. I told Carlos no way would I be buying before the VW gets modified and I get my cash from VW and Bosch. After that test drive it moved close to the top if not the top of the list.
The dealership seems to deliver top notch customer service ! It’s normally all about the little things.
The small GM diesels uses a smaller (20 %) engine (1.6 L vs 2.0 L) with slightly more torque. (240 # ft vs 236 # ft)
It’s also seeming like GM did not “cheap out” like VW was doing on the (2.0 L, 3.0L) dieselsvemissions issue!? As a consequence, VW is probably paying far more (penalties, etc.) than they had ever imagined.
I’m totally guessing, but MAYBE VW thought the worse case would have been: discovery, hand slap, VW Mea Culpa, couple of $M’s in fines, ...Move On. They never figured that they would be scapegoated. After all, Ford, GM, et al, can maim, injure, kill people and get off with less than a hand slapped, reduced to almost nada in (GM’s) bankruptcy. NOBODY got hurt in the VW diesel brouhaha. Here’s a sosdd Hyundai article. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-appeals-court-decertifies-class-action-hyundai-fuel-171418284--finance.html
The backstories are probably much more complicated than that. Having said that, I have enjoyed the mph figures over many miles, the power and the buybacks, among other TMI points.
The diesel advantage are the 1.6 L, (1.9 L) 2.0 L, 2.1 L, 2.8 L, 3.0 L, 5.0 L, 6.6 L, 6.7 L, et al., engines will be viable for the pvf, & far into the future (30+ years).
I was going to test drive a diesel Equinox when I passed through Wasilla a couple weeks ago, but I had just driven down from Fairbanks, into Anchorage, and then was on my way home, and I didn't think I had the energy for another stop (and still make it back to Fairbanks). I was down there again on Saturday, but it was around 7pm by then and, again, the timing just didn't work out.
The dealership here flat told me last July that they wouldn't be carrying any diesel variants in their inventory. LOL
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Ruking: I’m totally guessing, but MAYBE VW thought the worse case would have been: discovery, hand slap, VW Mea Culpa, couple of $M’s in fines, ...Move On. They never figured that they would be scapegoated.
As far as I can tell Chrysler has completely dodged the Diesel Bullet. They quit selling their 3.0L Italian diesel here from all I can find. Maybe got warned by EPA and pulled the plug before they got nailed. When you try to build and price a 2018 Ram 1500 only options are gas engines. I know when I was considering the Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel, I could never find one. They are a rare bird.
On the other hand, according to an article in the Wall Street Journal, there is a huge shortage of big rigs in the face of record demand for intermodal load volume movements.
The article indicates that it may take up to several years to build the trucks/big rigs necessary to accommodate the overloads. ( the article not linked, due to access denial.)
Given the success of the 2017 Toyota Highlander gasoline/hybrid (21 g / 28 g-h mpg. est. fuelly.com) I’m warming up to the idea of a diesel hybrid. The best I can figure for the gas/hybrid is app. 33% better than gas only. So for my 36-42 mpg diesel, 33% better is a projected range of 47.88 mpg to 55.86 mpg!
Given the success of the 2017 Toyota Highlander gasoline/hybrid (21 g / 28 g-h mpg. est. fuelly.com) I’m warming up to the idea of a diesel hybrid. The best I can figure for the gas/hybrid is app. 33% better than gas only. So for my 36-42 mpg diesel, 33% better is a projected range of 47.88 mpg to 55.86 mpg!
Not sure that math will work. Hybrid isn't "improving" the gas operation by a certain percentage. It's replacing gas operation for a percentage of time, giving you an average of electric/gas operation.
So, if Gas = 20 mpg and the electric = 50 mpg, then the average is 28.57 mpg. (assuming 50/50 mileage split in gas/electric) (43% improvement)
Diesel = 36 mpg and electric = 50 mpg, then the average is 41.86 mpg (again assuming 50/50 mileage split). (16% improvement)
Those are just made up numbers, but the math is the same. If you are already doing better with the diesel, then the percentage improvement can't be as great as on the lower mileage gas model.
The mileage of my Bluetec in stop 'n go city traffic (often heavily exacerbated by at-best inconsistently competent "traffic engineers") is no better than a gasoline engine. Why not have some hybrid assist at these lower speeds, where electric makes more sense anyway? Diesel hybrids have been around in Europe for several years, but somehow have missed this market. Maybe not surprising, as NA market offerings for most makers have been dumbed down for decades.
Given the success of the 2017 Toyota Highlander gasoline/hybrid (21 g / 28 g-h mpg. est. fuelly.com) I’m warming up to the idea of a diesel hybrid. The best I can figure for the gas/hybrid is app. 33% better than gas only. So for my 36-42 mpg diesel, 33% better is a projected range of 47.88 mpg to 55.86 mpg!
Not sure that math will work. Hybrid isn't "improving" the gas operation by a certain percentage. It's replacing gas operation for a percentage of time, giving you an average of electric/gas operation.
So, if Gas = 20 mpg and the electric = 50 mpg, then the average is 28.57 mpg. (assuming 50/50 mileage split in gas/electric) (43% improvement)
Diesel = 36 mpg and electric = 50 mpg, then the average is 41.86 mpg (again assuming 50/50 mileage split). (16% improvement)
Those are just made up numbers, but the math is the same. If you are already doing better with the diesel, then the percentage improvement can't be as great as on the lower mileage gas model.
Well for sure, those are projections, as said. The HYBRID does NOT improve the gas operation, per se, but the topic was it does contribute to what (higher) mpgs, one will get, i.e. like model gas/hybrid versus gasoline only, in the real world. Defacto, like model diesel/hybrid vs diesel only should have similar %’s. The mpg #’s were pulled from fuelly.com. The %’s came from calculation between the pairs.
One might misunderstand or I’m misinterpreting what one is saying. Indeed the 33% is from gas hybrid over gas only. I’m not saying the hybrid ONLY will boost diesels over gas. Diesel itself does it. So I stand by both my percentages & resultant projected mpg numbers.
The mileage of my Bluetec in stop 'n go city traffic (often heavily exacerbated by at-best inconsistently competent "traffic engineers") is no better than a gasoline engine. Why not have some hybrid assist at these lower speeds, where electric makes more sense anyway? Diesel hybrids have been around in Europe for several years, but somehow have missed this market. Maybe not surprising, as NA market offerings for most makers have been dumbed down for decades.
Our tank to tank (low fuel lamp lighting, 15 to 15.6 gals., app over 60,000 miles, app 111 fills) has consistently been 36 to 38 mpg. Commute traffic (27 miles OW- 45 min to 2.5 hrs) can only be described as horrific, some of the nations worst. Times we have caught non-commute bubbles (210 miles OW/420 miles RT) & with my wife driving & passenger with trunk packed to the gills 42.5 mpg (tank full) . I in the non-commute bubbles am ecstatic with 36-37 mpg! I’ve not driven a 14 MB GLK 350. like model in said environs.
I forget my lifetime average for this car, but I think I am about 10 mpg less than that, due to my commute which averages around 15 mph (not kidding). I think around 2/3 of my total yearly mileage is on the highway, but the in-town slog really hurts the average. At least I can fly past 40 mpg once I am moving along at a normal speed.
Our tank to tank (low fuel lamp lighting, 15 to 15.6 gals., app over 60,000 miles, app 111 fills) has consistently been 36 to 38 mpg. Commute traffic (27 miles OW- 45 min to 2.5 hrs) can only be described as horrific, some of the nations worst. Times we have caught non-commute bubbles (210 miles OW/420 miles RT) & with my wife driving & passenger with trunk packed to the gills 42.5 mpg (tank full) . I in the non-commute bubbles am ecstatic with 36-37 mpg! I’ve not driven a 14 MB GLK 350. like model in said environs.
The various equipment factors are in your favor: lighter, & lighter loads, smaller, lighter tires, sans 4 matic, lower coefficient of friction, use of lighter weight viscosity oil rather than my chosen 5w40 viscosity, etc.
The majority of # miles & % of miles are highway commute traffic. You really can’t drive radically differently than us in commute traffic, as it would seem essentially the same to similar. Indeed our commute appears worse to much worse. We have much more driver (5) variation, even as all have been educated to differences. I tend to hammer it on the highway trips. So, I’m at a loss to explain the 10 mpg difference.
I was a little pessimistic. I just checked the car - lifetime mpg is 31.4. Still probably at least 25% better than similar numbers vs the comparable (in terms of MSRP) V6 gasser, and I suspect the new 4cyl lags by a bit too.
My commute is on city streets, where more than once 4 miles consumes a half hour of red lights and slow idiots. Co-workers who live 20 miles away sometimes have 2 hour drives.
I was a little pessimistic. I just checked the car - lifetime mpg is 31.4. Still probably at least 25% better than similar numbers vs the comparable (in terms of MSRP) V6 gasser, and I suspect the new 4cyl lags by a bit too.
My commute is on city streets, where more than once 4 miles consumes a half hour of red lights and slow idiots. Co-workers who live 20 miles away sometimes have 2 hour drives.
Is yours not a 4-matic, fin? Is the 2wd version rear or front?
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Cheaper houses also keeps down the taxation due. The area’s economic recovery has been sparse & checkered @ best. My friend commuted to NYC to work for years.
St. Augustine, FL. in May 2018 should be right before the summer heat & humidity.
No doubt some things were cut due to the inherited economic disaster, But relative to other times in the past 30 years, maybe not a huge deal
Not to mention, the newly filled swamp isn't doing any better - make NASA great again?
I was in St Augustine and points south in November 2016, absolutely perfect weather, couldn't have been better.
Nice weather that time of year, reasonable rates and some good restaurants, crowds are mostly gone. My last vacation there was on points for both air and rental car, so it was also frugal.
$240 rental car for the week (split between two couples)
$1270 condo rental for week (split between two couples)
One week in St Augustine:
$1075 per couple, plus food and entertainment.
Wonder if the Emerald Aisle will have a diesel to rent?
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One bottom line $1.78 of government subsidies for each gallon of ethanol.
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If anyone wants a PU to tow a trailer up to 7700 lbs, be sure and look at the GM Canyon/Colorado diesels. Just pulled my enclosed trailer totally packed from San Diego to Pahrump NV. Filled this morning with diesel @ $2.72 a gallon. 21.8 MPG towing a trailer at Interstate highway speeds. Stayed around 60 MPH most of the trip. Hit some good headwinds climbing Cajon Pass. Love this truck. Rarely shifted down to 5th gear pulling the hills. That is what diesel torque is all about. Passed a Ford F150 pulling a trailer up one of the hills. His gas engine screaming like a banshee.
Given what you are saying, FORD “ME2” Ranger version, 2019, 8 + years behind & probably $’s more than the GMC/Chevrolet’s is coming out?! It would be competitive with a 8/10 sp AT & 3.0 L TDI. I’d be intently curious what mpg a Ford (& competitors) would post in your scenarios.
3,777 ft to 7,350 ft altitudes, up/down grades that I know of & confirmed by others are taken in stride! (turbo 3.0L /406 # ft to twin turbo 2.1L/369 # ft, diesels)
@ those altitudes & below & above, I have/can still feel the (normally aspirated) V8 385 hp/torque (2001 Z06) engine lose both hp/torque, even as the engine & drivetrain (6 sp MT) is still very potent. The last time I did this, 25 mpg was posted (up/down grades, 420 miles, SLT, CA to SJ, CA.) Still yippee yahoo!
Per 42 gal barrel of crude oil: 11 gal ULSD, 20 gal gasoline. D2 is 35.4% of PVF motor fuel.
This diesel & (I hate SUV’s, why don’t you) SUV boards were there/spotted this trend (SUV’s-CUV’s) years ago!
Additionally, Japanese & Korean oems do not have domestic markets (volume) close to its USA markets.
2018 Ford 150, 3.0L diesel, 440# ft of torque, 10 sp A/T, 30 mpg!
2019 Chevrolet Silverado, 3.0L, 5.3L, 6.2L diesels!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/0909491a-040d-3392-b624-6239a633a090/ss_2019-chevrolet-silverado.html
The TDI’s “Renaissance” is beginning to unfold, as was said years ago?
Indeed gasoline, E10, E85, gasoline hybrid, EV, can’t do it on the many levels where it counts!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/ea8e55ed-f095-3fd5-b90f-d4181c23d35a/ss_millions-available-for.html How goofy is this?
As you well know, CA instigated/legislated a $.12- gas -$.18 ULSD per gal tax raise!? Its a 20% great tax. It’s just another way to get “petty cash”, aka, billions in extra spending revenues for CA governmental spending addictions?! So Carson City NV diesel prices are $.56 cheaper per gallon than Folsom City CA. (range of where I can fuel)
It is probably not well known on this board, but the United States is actually well on its way to be a bigger oil producer than Saudi Arabia, approaching Russia.
Go diesel! http://www.oil-price.net
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-18/opec-raises-supply-outlook-for-u-s-rivals-again-as-prices-climb?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=bd&utm_campaign=headline&cmpId=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo
But on the other hand, any guesses why they won’t certify a bio diesel certified engine?
TMI might be an outlet mall in Vacaville, CA (off Highway 80) has a EV station. Its located a stones throw from Men’s & Womens restrooms.
Unfortunately, we would probably get no joy with X Drive (be required to chain up with/out snow tires, aka. does not look like a SUV/CUV) @ CA Trans chain control points.
The small GM diesels uses a smaller (20 %) engine (1.6 L vs 2.0 L) with slightly more torque. (240 # ft vs 236 # ft)
It’s also seeming like GM did not “cheap out” like VW was doing on the (2.0
L, 3.0L) dieselsvemissions issue!? As a consequence, VW is probably paying far more (penalties, etc.) than they had ever imagined.
I’m totally guessing, but MAYBE VW thought the worse case would have been: discovery, hand slap, VW Mea Culpa, couple of $M’s in fines, ...Move On. They never figured that they would be scapegoated. After all, Ford, GM, et al, can maim, injure, kill people and get off with less than a hand slapped, reduced to almost nada in (GM’s) bankruptcy. NOBODY got hurt in the VW diesel brouhaha. Here’s a sosdd Hyundai article. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-appeals-court-decertifies-class-action-hyundai-fuel-171418284--finance.html
The backstories are probably much more complicated than that. Having said that, I have enjoyed the mph figures over many miles, the power and the buybacks, among other TMI points.
The diesel advantage are the 1.6 L, (1.9 L) 2.0 L, 2.1 L, 2.8 L, 3.0 L, 5.0 L, 6.6 L, 6.7 L, et al., engines will be viable for the pvf, & far into the future (30+ years).
Gas Taxes? http://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/01/22/states-with-the-highest-and-lowest-gas-taxes-5/2/
On a higher level ...797 mph ? https://www.wired.com/story/norwegian-air-transatlantic-speed-record/
The dealership here flat told me last July that they wouldn't be carrying any diesel variants in their inventory. LOL
Not that most people care, but most BMW SUVs/CUV’s & it’s diesels are made in the USA. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_in_the_United_States
As far as I can tell Chrysler has completely dodged the Diesel Bullet. They quit selling their 3.0L Italian diesel here from all I can find. Maybe got warned by EPA and pulled the plug before they got nailed. When you try to build and price a 2018 Ram 1500 only options are gas engines. I know when I was considering the Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel, I could never find one. They are a rare bird.
The article indicates that it may take up to several years to build the trucks/big rigs necessary to accommodate the overloads. ( the article not linked, due to access denial.)
Are sedans going the way of the station wagon? SUV/CUV’s trucks new rulers?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/sc-auto-cover-american-sedan-20180123-story.html
End of M B diesels?
Come on MB, don't concentrate on more awkward CUV "coupes" and illuminated grille stars, give us something that actually fits the brand.
So, if Gas = 20 mpg and the electric = 50 mpg, then the average is 28.57 mpg. (assuming 50/50 mileage split in gas/electric) (43% improvement)
Diesel = 36 mpg and electric = 50 mpg, then the average is 41.86 mpg (again assuming 50/50 mileage split).
(16% improvement)
Those are just made up numbers, but the math is the same. If you are already doing better with the diesel, then the percentage improvement can't be as great as on the lower mileage gas model.
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One might misunderstand or I’m misinterpreting what one is saying. Indeed the 33% is from gas hybrid over gas only. I’m not saying the hybrid ONLY will boost diesels over gas. Diesel itself does it. So I stand by both my percentages & resultant projected mpg numbers.
The majority of # miles & % of miles are highway commute traffic. You really can’t drive radically differently than us in commute traffic, as it would seem essentially the same to similar. Indeed our commute appears worse to much worse. We have much more driver (5) variation, even as all have been educated to differences. I tend to hammer it on the highway trips. So, I’m at a loss to explain the 10 mpg difference.
My commute is on city streets, where more than once 4 miles consumes a half hour of red lights and slow idiots. Co-workers who live 20 miles away sometimes have 2 hour drives.
“Optimum mpg” can range from don’t care @ all, to record setting efforts. Diesels do, however have a good % head start over gasoline.