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I also wonder if gasoline engines are also "cheating". I suspect there are some skeletons out there just waiting to be unearthed. Note to self: beware of Bosch for certain engine management operations.
A buyback sounds tempting - buy out the E and hope for a little jackpot, but I am doubtful. If Daimler is raked over the coals (I too doubt it, I don't think this regime is into it), it would either kill future values, or make the cars sought-after. How is VW diesel resale pre and post drama?
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I or do I. Going through with the what $ 30 B billions in diesel gate are notices both to Germany, states ownership, unions & the European Union! Why should Trump get in the way of VW shooting themselves in the foot ? It would seem that Mercedes-Benz might be following in the same suit. But, we shall see ! Not only that, think of the $30 billion in USA multiplier effects! Life is good!
I for one (anecdotally) was happy to get the monies back! Albeit, I got paid very little to drive 180,000 miles ! But, it sure beats a lot of $$’s in depreciation and maintenance. My own opinion is VW paid way too much money for less than 2.5% marketshare.
I think in this case, the punishment might actually work as a deterrent to others that may contemplate committing the same crime. Too much? It's amazing what happens when CEOs and other company officers fear for their freedom. Sucks for the shareholders, though. But, time heals all wounds, and capital losses.
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$30BN in terms of the overall economy is a drop in the bucket - especially if the money is diverted to swamp-fillers. Yeah, big notices to a system where the average person has a better quality of life than across the pond. I am shocked Germans (and Norwegians) aren't lining up to emigrate
It'd be fun to see a buyback on the E of something like 10K over payoff - I'd do it.
Well not really, if the ultimate aim is to get rid of PVF diesels!
So evidently, VW considers the United States an important ( EV, gasoline) market.
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First trial? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/virginia-judge-rejects-volkswagen-bid-delay-first-u-195343408--finance.html
That said, so far I am quite happy with the performance of the Q7 post-fix, and the significantly extended warranty on emissions and powertrain will only serve to benefit me and its future owner(s).
I suspect more than one gasoline engine has the same devices, but won't be researched. When Toyota is providing funding the German NGO who got a lot of this going, you know something is up.
Just got the 2003 VW Jetta TDI’s 2018 renewal sticker! We have very little money in it, as it has been depreciated per listed protocols. It keeps chugging along! It still posts between 48 to 52 mpg. We are still loving the 2014 MB GLK 250 BT!
https://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche-diesels-are-officially-dead-with-demise-of-diesel-engine-macan/ Porsche diesels?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/apple-could-buying-cobalt-mining-175206328.html
It is interesting that EV has not made the jump to motorcycles. The new “younger” market has not stepped up to Harley Davidson. https://www.yahoo.com/news/harley-davidson-closes-down-kansas-133345429.html
I may have spoken too soon, as the Harley Davidson EV motorcycle market truly might not be there to support the company going forward. https://www.yahoo.com/news/harley-davidson-apos-electric-motor-145553656.html
Whoa.....??? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/slowing-us-auto-sales-prompts-japan-automakers-to-rethink-discounts.html
Just to state the obvious, it would seem that the best car deals are the ones that give the best discounts % and one year old but new models. Zero down and zero percentage doesn’t hurt either.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/harley-davidson-plans-expand-tier-ii-indian-cities-balvanth-nachnekar
Most youngsters today don't want a 900 lb showboat cruiser - if they even want a bike at all, due to the idiotic conditions on the road in this somewhat developed nation. There are definitely EV bikes out there, I see them here now and then, none are boomer-dream cruisers.
The statistics indicates a broad lack of a US motorcycle market. HD brass seem to think India to be the next logical markets.
Motorcycle accidents, injuries and fatalities seem to be at epidemic levels in the United States. The question has never been; IF one will ever put down a bike, it is always been when & how many times & will you die. The overall car & light truck PVF has been setting safety records, while the motorcycle segment posts epidemic accidents, injuries and fatalities.
I am more than glad that the generated infernal, offensive motorcycle noises are is and few in between. It’s nice @ times to see murder sickles cooking along at 100 to 150 mph. But on the other hand, two friends (husband, wife) close to a relative were both killed in a motorcycle accident (single vehicle, under speed, from witnesses)
I’ve known the area’s Ducati repair specialist, et al. shop owner for a very long time. The shop is less than a half a mile from the house. He personally keeps to off road riding.
We had a most pleasant trip to and home from Las Vegas this morning. Left home at 7 AM back here at 10 AM. It amazes me how light the traffic is from here to Las Vegas, and even in the city it flows quite nicely. Returned the Jetta loaner and glad to be back driving the Touareg TDI. I cannot say too much about Findlay North VW service. Very together and pleasant to deal with. They had no problem waiting an extra day to get their loaner back. The real surprise for me was the oil and filter service charge. $135 total. The other dealer I called was Autonation and they told me it would be $240 for the same service. Gladly I was advised to go to Findlay. It was also the dealer VW recommended. The 68 mile trip home over the 5700 ft summit seemed like always. So I don't think it lost any power that I can tell. The service man told me it may use a bit more AdBlue. However that is all free from now until 120,000 miles. After such a pleasant dealer experience and extended warranty, we will likely keep our paid for VW for now. Wife does not want to downsize, which the Equinox would be smaller and lighter. When we get the $7321 check all will be well with us. Have till August to license here in Nevada. Or until we sell the house in CA.
Let us know how it really performs, under more conditions! It would appear the real work is being done by additional AD Blue in an upgraded system. It would be almost nonsensical to mess with the drive by wire no draw fuel systems on deceleration & gear down.
All things being equal I would’ve preferred just to have gotten the emissions penalty et al. checks and still have the 2012 VW Touareg TDI.
The system is taking advantage of the fact I don’t need a replacement for the TDI.
PU trucks are new family sedans? https://www.yahoo.com/news/pickup-trucks-becoming-family-car-174314875.html
VW’s update. https://www.wsj.com/articles/volkswagen-results-benefit-from-strong-sales-cost-cutting-1519405529?mod=yahoo_hs&yptr=yahoo
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/volkswagen-2017-profit-nearly-doubles-amid-luxury-sales-152939912--finance.html
The diesel option is an absolute no-brainer for the VW Atlas. (midsize CUV)
Fuelly.com indicates approximately 7 mpg better with (gasoline) hybrid 21 mpg/28 mpg (2017 Toyota Highlander/hybrid, midsize CUV). So my mid sized 2012 VW Touareg TDI 32 mpg with hybrid would probably post 39 mpg. (gasoline 19 mpg) It also would put the 36 mpg GLK 250 BT @ 42 mpg (gasoline 22 mpg) . Again, advantage diesel !
So, not doing that again.
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SUV unreliability? https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/the-suvs-with-the-worst-reliability-ratings-for-2018.html/15/
The MB GLC didnt even come close to its predecessor. (2015 last year, GLK 350/250) It’s off my list until redesign & first year reliability/durability data. It’s a huge hit on forward looking German engineering, craftsmanship & assembly.
My daughter strenuously warned against the (UK) Jaguar F Pace. A colleague use the lemon law to get a refund. Thinking that it was just a statistical anomaly, he bought another one. Evidently, it’s worst than rumored. Again, he got his money back. Later, I was STILL skeptical with the storyline that it was rebuilt to exceed the Porsche Macan. My take: why wasn’t that done in the first place?
The Volvo XC90’s poor showing might be indicative of China’s 8 year old ownership fissures. Or the Swedish folks did it on their own. But I’m not so sure that Ford ownership was so keen either.
I have no issue with older high polluters facing scrutiny. There. as here, it isn't a 2014 Jetta or E-class that is belching fumes, it is a 20 year old commercial or crapcan that the owner can't or won't maintain. It's not modern cars that are in question here, it is old ill-maintained vehicles. There will be no actual ban (and law enforcement already claims they won't do anything about it even if it exists), more likely it will result in an additional tax
Germany has had special tax discs for driving in city centers for some time - I wouldn't be surprised at an additional one for certain diesels.
This could end up worse than the DCX era.
Here is the good/bad news, if one likes these cars! https://finance.yahoo.com/video/8-fastest-depreciating-cars-america-191500201.html. The Toyota Camry/MB E class are real eye-openers!
But then, I’ve gone from getting a better price for used VW diesels, to VW’s buy back of any of my vehicles at full price to, ... selling back two!? I’m now waiting for the good/bad news on the Mercedes Benz (my GLK 250) BT series. (Buy back? Buy back? Another $10 B to $30 B?) I am totally grateful for (paid for) 180,000 miles! 60,000 + miles for 240,000 (paid for) miles would overwhelm my already grateful attitude.
It’s interesting how the “refugee & Harvey issues” have unleashed “the kill the BEAST” syndrome, or whatever Psychology/psychiatry currently call the syndrome.
I think more should be made about DUH receiving funding from Toyota. The German press mentioned it, but the Murkan press has ignored it. This isn't coincidence.
It'll only matter here, in the land of lax-to-zero regulation, in terms of future variety. I'd say odds are MB diesels are gone for good. BMW and VW are could also be working with numbered days for the US market. Does the diesel Cruze sell in numbers enough to support its longterm existence? Future dieselheads might be limited to trucks and older model cars - should their electronics hold up.
There likely won't be a crackdown even on old stinkers in the US, so there's nothing to worry about.
I’ve changed a set of windshield wipers twice. Got several rock shots to the windshield fixed. I’ve changed tires once. It’s been aligned once. It has needed 3 batteries. 7/8 oil/filter changes done. We did a 100,000 miles major tune/water pump/belt change (computer resets) The brake system have been bled three times. Anecdotally, it still posts 48 to 52 mpg. It passes the CA bi annual “smog only” certification every time. It is not on the excoriation list. I’m looking for another 200,000 miles to make, ...hopefully 400,000 miles. It’s already clear that diesel hybrid (like gasoline Prius hybrid) would post a minimum of 55 mpg to 59 mpg. But who cares?
Yes, write some articles after 100,000, 200,000, 300,00 400,000 miles on electric vehicles.
This stuff is almost pure stupidity!? https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-regulators-delay-noise-mandate-181300990.html
Visiting with a fellow waiting for his Yukon to get serviced I mentioned our Tourareg TDI. He worked for VW for 15 years. Said when they were based in Detroit they were a great company to work for. He took his retirement and has worked for several startups. Currently he is tied in with Elio. He was very excited about the prospects.
https://www.eliomotors.com/about-elio/
The clutch, given “ proper” 5 sp operation could reasonably see 400,000 miles of operation. @ that time, if the clutch were slipping it then could be changed with any number of options: to go oem to accommodate 2x the torque. (310# ft, 2,950 #’s). We’ve come a long way since then.
Looking even more forward, I’d be inclined to try a (used) EV when the electric passenger vehicle fleet is @ 50%+. Hopefully by that time, it’s mated to a diesel, for a 500 miles + EV / 600 miles + TDI range. There seems to be absolutely no advantage to be an EV early adopter.
(Gasoline) Hybrids after a decade & 1/2 plus have proven itself very durable. However, (gasoline) hybrids are STILL not cost effective. More importantly, hybrids are being relegated to the “discard bin.” So to now pine for a (diesel) another hybrid, makes no economic sense.
Diesel’s remain @ advantage! It continues checking off every box that I’m concerned with.
The contexts are: 1. US markets 17.6 M yearly new car sales. 2. 36 M yearly used car sales. 3. PVF 94 % are gasoline, less than 2% (gasoline) hybrid, 5% diesel. 4. Barrel of oil products being (www.eia.gov) 2016 20 gal gasoline/11 gal diesel. 5. Continued profitability & growth of the (full-size car) CUV to the light truck segments.
https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-bmw-540d-brings-diesel-back-to-america-along-w-1821906269
VW, MB and the Japanese makers need to get their act together or lose out.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20180227/BLOG06/180229811/under-nicholson-gms-new-engines-shatter-the-status-quo?profile=-1
A GM 3.0 L, I 6, TDI with a 7 sp TREMEC M/T option would be a WOW!
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