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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    I’m guessing that the 10 sp A/T has an additional advantage & TMI over a 7/8 sp A/T.

    A few examples & how to use them that I’ve cited in past posts can be TMI to folks that are used to driving gas, gas hybrid, EV vehicles, dare I say to even some diesel drivers: 1. Diesels best accelerate under a “pre” load 2. No fuel draw on deceleration. 3. Because of drive-by wire, gearing can be used to manage long downgrade descents. (In my case, 50 t0 100 miles, 7,355 ft to 10 ft)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    540d, I don't think I have seen one in the wild yet, maybe as the base MSRP is 8K more than the standard 4cyl lease special. My local dealer, which has been the busiest in the state, has zero in stock. Seattle dealer also has none. One way to make these cars sell is to price them close to a gasser, even if the diesel is more powerful.

    Regarding aging VWs, maybe someone got a good one? These cars have a rep, and those usually have a smoke and fire relationship.

    I hope GM didn't do any diesel cheating (being a domestic, it might not receive equal scrutiny, and there is likely some kind of truck exemption).

    I suppose MB could come back, but I wouldn't expect a Japanese diesel passenger car - they've never really been into it.

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    ....

    “ Regarding aging VWs, maybe someone got a good one? These cars have a rep, and those usually have a smoke and fire relationship” ....

    Even I would like to believe that! But, statistics indicate that mine was most likely in the middle of the bell shaped curve, albeit, somewhere.

    In addition, VW has always been known as a DIY sort of car. So as I have said in the past posts, ive extended a lot of service items. I’ve run 30,000 mile oci’s. I’ve change fuel filter‘s 2× to 4 times longer. I’ve changed air filter‘s at 100,000 miles. I’ve changed air filters at 100,000 miles. But I do keep the engine very clean, clean the snow filter every 5000 miles, the same as tire rotation.

    There are large car to light truck standards. It is different from the car standard. It is never published. This difference in standards are what gives truck Tdi’s the market opening it needs.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    Here's me, drooling.

    I had this weird desire, many years ago, of buying a 2019 GM pickup so that I could have a 1969 and a 2019. LOL

    Being able to get ahold of a diesel in a 1/2 ton might just make me seriously consider doing that. It doesn't look like it would be a 2019 MY, but, hey, close is close.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    Rather than see me make a swag, this article indicates @ least two reasons why gasoline hybrid has not invaded the light truck segment, even after going on two decades. http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2017/12/how-can-pickups-break-the-30-mpg-highway-rating.html#more
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    2019 GM Sierra 3.0 I-6 Diesel ! https://www.yahoo.com/news/2019-gmc-sierra-revealed-diesel-222000043.html

    IF these diesels yrly average mileage/yrs are 12 -14,000 miles yr/12 years, then a large majority could post 168,000 miles till 2031/2032. 12.5 % + 12.5% of those could post even more miles.

    By any stretch of the imagination, I do not believe that this diesel will become the GM leader product of why people buy GM pu trucks. My guess is that the (light truck-there are already heavier truck diesels) diesel offering is to round out the product line, albeit even more profits. To me, it has been a no-brainer for a very long time, sans even more profits. Next stop are GM’s large SUV’s on down.

    Meanwhile European VW “diesel gate”. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/diesel-vehicle-refits-costly-could-affect-performance-volkswagen-163314173--finance.html

    Luxury sales down? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-01/luxury-brands-take-victory-lap-as-mass-market-auto-sales-sputter

    Made for too many, not too many specific people is not a good way to profits?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Just an update on the modified Touareg TDI. Had banking to do in Las Vegas so made a quick trip over. With a stop at Costco to cash in my rewards and get the wife some See's candy. With almost 200 miles on the modified VW, performance seems the same. Not sure about mileage. What I did notice is a clean back window. No black soot from exhaust. So they must have fixed something. No real urge to get rid of it. Love driving out on the highway.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    (Y Anonymous) Can’t tell driving difference, either. 50 mpg before & after the fix. Fixed VW’s

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/diesel-vehicle-refits-costly-could-affect-performance-volkswagen-163314173--finance.html

    It’s really too bad VW didn’t chose to do it right from the get go, like MB (diesels)did.

    So does this sound like future less gas/diesel use? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/03/reuters-america-porsche-could-build-flying-taxis-says-sales-chief.html

    Here’s what it is now:
    More information about your route
    The flight distance from San Jose to South Lake Tahoe is 129 miles and average flight time is 1 hour 5 minutes. If you were to drive from San Jose to South Lake Tahoe, it would take 3 hours 6 minutes to drive 155 miles.

    http://www.linearair.com/airport/Norman-Y-Mineta-San-Jose-International-in-San-Jose-CA-SJC/

    Driving door-to-door (not as “the crows fly”) for us is more like 210 miles. The times have ranged from 2.5 hrs to 12 hrs.

    While the used airplane market is very thin, $ 20k to $140,000 will probably get a good one.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I don't recall the exact prices, but diesel is cheaper than RUG here again (~$3).
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    A relative bought a 2014 BMW 540 “D” AWD, 38,000 miles! The first tankful 40 mpg!
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    RUG is 30 cents cheaper here in Pahrump @ $2.39 a gallon. Even if diesel was a buck more a gallon I would stick with diesel vehicles.

    Ruking, How well do you think a small plane would do landing and taking off at South Lake Tahoe Airport. Pretty thin air for a gas engine. Maybe a diesel engine prop job would be better. :) I use to fly into Reno and rent a car. Much cheaper than a commuter flight into SLT.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    2014 would be a 535d, F10. I think those are rarer than E250 Bluetecs. I remember looking at one before I got my car, the salesman said they'd work to get it off the lot (year end, about to be a leftover). I remember it was dark blue with a parchment interior, striking car.

    I have no real thought about diesel price when it is cheaper than PUG, which my car would need if it was a gasser.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    From what I can tell, light planes do fine (6,269 ft ?). South Lake Tahoe seems to be a popular cross country destination and stopover. A very long time friend flies up to TVA in a Cessna 172 ( more powerful) only because @ one time he flew into the Rocky Mountains on a regular basis.

    His 2014 BMW 535 d X drive is silver. He was very impressed with both the I-6’s fuel mileage and it’s 413 # ft of torque power. Yes, I’m not sure when or even IF the rarity component will kick in! Case in point, his unit MSRP was $74,000 in 2014. Retail (high) last week est @ $36,000.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    74K is impressive, must have virtually every option. The one I looked at was 66K (I think) and was fairly loaded. I suspect that amount of retained value is better than a 535i or 550i.

    I think that's the same engine as in an X5 diesel, so it should do well in a lighter sedan.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    For as many (430,000+) miles as I’ve had in diesels, (1.9L, 2.0L, 2.1 3.0L V-6) the I-6 (3.0L) turbo diesel is/remains the ideal. This is not to discount 8 cylinders like 4.0L, 5.0 L.

    It makes me wonder what twin turbos, larger injectors, computer tuning would do. I already know the combinations unleashes ONLY when one gets on ones right foot.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    Handlesblatt? ! Evidently, all is not well in Deutschland ? https://youtu.be/ifFmJn44pLA

    In context!?

    VW diesel trucks (MAN, Scalia) going away? Oh yeah? (crazy like a fox, aka, Wolf, aka Wolfsburg, aka, “Western Germany”, i.e., Puebla, Mexico)

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vw-pursue-ipo-plan-trucks-division-handelsblatt-120518954--finance.html

    Stuff like this will (going forward) will get as much attention as pg 1,444 corrections to a 1,000 pg publication. Just like how many people know the government of Lower Saxony has seats on the VW board and so do VW unions, & union pensions? The point being: who cares ?

    Hybrid & EV light trucks (series 150, 250, 350, 450) do not even have decades long/old real world time/miles !? Indeed edmunds.com says the (& new) Toyota (gasoline) HYBRID Highlander makes no economic sense.

    Advantage diesel!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    You all heard this here way before this! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-05/volkswagen-ceo-predicts-renaissance-for-embattled-diesel-cars?cmpId=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo

    516 # ft of combined torque? 112 mpg? What’s not to like? Reliability & durability unknown.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    MB is getting into PHEV diesels

    EV for the grinding commute, diesel for cruising range and torque, seems like a good combo.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    fintail said:

    MB is getting into PHEV diesels

    EV for the grinding commute, diesel for cruising range and torque, seems like a good combo.

    The GLE with the diesel plugin hybrid could be in my future. For sure not the premium guzzling GLE550e. What a joke that is.

    https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/model/class-GLE/model-GLE550E4#!layout=/vehicles/model/specs&class=GLE&model=GLE550E4&waypoint=model-specs

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    479 # ft of torque, combined? @ 5,456 #’s? No mpg posting to me is like code for fuel/power EV guzzler. To me, if the VW Touareg came in at that weight, I would not have bought it. Indeed @ 4,900 #’s I’d be happy with less #’s (4,500 #’s to 4,300#’s) & more power. (than 406 # ft to 450 -490#. ft)

    I would buy the VW Touareg TDI again, in this present configuration if it had a 3.0 L TDI to twin TDI. 406 # ft torque UP. The issue why I would not buy the VW Touareg again is the gasoline V6 engine. It posts 19/20 mpg normally. After 32 mpg consistently for 60,000 miles, a 41% drop in fuel economy....
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Judging by the 0-60, that's kind of a performance hybrid rather than an economy hybrid.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    Indeed! I’ve been witness to more than a few “earliest to the next stop light “ races by Tesla’s. I’m sure current (naught to 60 mph) times would have amazed the cities drag racers back in my high school days (1965 to 1969) Speed kills? Blather! It’s been blather for @ least 53 years. Naught to 60 mph times have long since been “use less. “ (to me, first car was a 70 VW Beetle)

    Hybrid advocates have never explained why very customizable (EV, etc.,) hybrids have been “AWOL” (for all the brouhaha emissions have caused) for decades from light trucks to 80,000# tractor trailer rigs. On one application, evidently enough Prius, et al. have KILLED &/or mowed down enough pedestrians for some safety folks to call for increase noise generation!? I can’t even make this stuff up.

    Toyota will stop selling diesels in Europe . https://www.yahoo.com/news/toyota-stop-selling-diesel-cars-142000811.html
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I see Teslas zooming around too - instant torque. Apparently top speed is limited, which is probably a good thing, as these seem to attract more affluent versions of Prius people.

    Diesel PHEV seems like a good mix to me.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    Indeed! So IF/WHEN EV is as reliable & durable or better than the hybrid on the 2017 Toyota Highlander, adding 7 mpg (diff Highlander/hybrid) to a lackerluster 3.5 L V6 gasoline engine, & can be cost effective, I’d welcome hybrids EV, et al, minimium mpg increase on my next TDI. I can easily imagine diesels 32/36 mpg turning into a minimum of 39/42 MPG. (midsize/compact CUV’s) Till then, I can easily get out of that pipe dream.

    ADVANTAGE DIESEL ! (SOS/DD)

    In line 6 cylinder good for gasoline too? 8 sp ZF A/T? Why no Toyota 8 sp A/T version? https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/toyota-supra-gets-turbocharged-inline-184000418.html
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    Chevrolet Medium duty diesel trucks? @ 700 # ft torque, to tow 22,500 -29,000 #’s. http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/03/07/chevrolets-new-medium-duty-silverados-are-huge-surprise.html
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Just read the Car & Driver long term wrap up of a Nissan Titan XD. GM might have nothing to fear there.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    Interesting bio diesel take . https://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-europe-struggles-stem-biodiesel-import-flood-165302087--finance.html
    There are a host of reasons, other than reduced emissions, why biodiesel (given certified biodiesel PVF engines) proffer great benefits.

    On the other side, ethanol. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/articles/2018-03-07/we-need-a-comprehensive-approach-to-the-renewable-fuel-standard

    American diesels https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/trucks/a19090941/us-small-diesel-engines/
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Thinking about your two above articles on alternate fuels. No mention about Higher NoX with BioDiesel. Could be why the German automakers are hesitant to give their blessings to higher percentages of Biodiesel in their US bound vehicles. Must not worry about NoX in the EU if they are going crazy over the stuff.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378382012000021

    About time they took another look at ethanol. One of my reasons for getting rid of all my gas burners. It is nothing but a corporate welfare scam since it was first mandated. NEVER beneficial to the planet. Made tortillas more expensive, so I hate the stuff.

    The only major push for biodiesel in the USA was by Willie Nelson. As far as I can tell that went up in smoke around 2014. So to speak.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    Pfffff...yeah. Cheech & Chong man.

    Bio diesel has ZER0 ppm sulfur component! ULSD is @ 7 to 15, ( it can be refined even lower closer to zero) RUG/PUG 30 to 90 ppm. the sulfur component amongst others is responsible for the very low NOX levels. One guess as to which puts out the most NOx?

    The US is already at 95 to 98% pvf RUG/PUG. LA County has already proved time & time again and documenting they are way over NOX federal, state, county, local ( artificially low) targets. Further, theyve quietly admitted that they will NEVER meet the NOX goals! The real English translation (code) here:getting rid of all diesels will NOT make it a “no NOX happening!! ?

    The Berkeley garbage dump ( sorry if that is not politically correct) produces approximately 40,000 gallons of biodiesel per year (recycle end user WASTE? The environmentalists were forced to fight the environmentalists to make this happen) . If most folks do not know what that means, folks can Google the Berkeley garbage dump and get educated. Peace boys & girls, V !

    The things that really struck me were that 15% ethanol or E15 FROM E10 Has already been known to cause MASSIVE $ damages, with E15 causing even more massive environmental damages ! There are no/zero/ nada emissions mitigation measures for ethanol. It also goes without saying that E15 will get far less fuel mpg then E10. Again, the logic of: “why use less, when one can use more, “ remains totally inexplicable, given the “use LESS” mantra.

    Perhaps it now needs to be asked if the “use less” mantra is really the code for: burn more & @ much higher prices!?

    5 reasons why diesel? https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/m/827a5955-c9c1-3978-9420-0e0402dbdc9c/ss_five-reasons-why-diesel-makes.html
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Quick update on the GMC Canyon. Over the last month I drove 304 miles. Rarely over 35 MPH. Most trips 6 miles roundtrip. Just filled this morning and got a dismal 21.71 MPG. I don't think the engine ever gets warm driving 3 miles at a time. Longest drive is to the gunsmith 8 miles from us. Need to take it to Las Vegas and blow the soot out I guess. Have not filled the Tourag since January. It has two trips to Las Vegas. Computer says almost 27 MPG, with about half short trips in Pahrump. I could probably save wear and tear on my diesels by getting a golf cart to drive shopping and eating out. A guy had one like this at the Farmer's Market this morning for $3500.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,659
    gagrice said:

    Quick update on the GMC Canyon. Over the last month I drove 304 miles. Rarely over 35 MPH. Most trips 6 miles roundtrip. Just filled this morning and got a dismal 21.71 MPG. I don't think the engine ever gets warm driving 3 miles at a time. Longest drive is to the gunsmith 8 miles from us. Need to take it to Las Vegas and blow the soot out I guess. Have not filled the Tourag since January. It has two trips to Las Vegas. Computer says almost 27 MPG, with about half short trips in Pahrump. I could probably save wear and tear on my diesels by getting a golf cart to drive shopping and eating out. A guy had one like this at the Farmer's Market this morning for $3500.

    We had a local family with an electric car/cart.. more for people moving, not golf. Whenever I saw her dropping off her kids at grade school, all I could imagine was those kids skittering across the pavement, if she was ever struck by another vehicle.. even at low speeds.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    The response would be the same. (my & TMI for gas, gas hybrid, diesel & EV) Short trips are both more consumptive and injurious long-term. Optimium operation is app 1 hr. CONTINUOUSLY. (My swag only) The gasoline like-model, et al., would probably post MORE mpg & power use.

    So in a one way ( continuous & 1 hour +) 27 miles daily commute, & @ the speeds the diesel is forced to flow are counterintuitively, ideal.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I was thinking of another diesel car to possibly buy at the end of this lease (as I won't buy at their inflated residual). A final run W221 S350 (2013) came to mind, it would need to be a mint low mileage car in perfect colors and options. Per autotrader, there are exactly 4 units for sale in the country right now - so that might be a real hen's tooth.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    kyfdx said:

    gagrice said:

    Quick update on the GMC Canyon. Over the last month I drove 304 miles. Rarely over 35 MPH. Most trips 6 miles roundtrip. Just filled this morning and got a dismal 21.71 MPG. I don't think the engine ever gets warm driving 3 miles at a time. Longest drive is to the gunsmith 8 miles from us. Need to take it to Las Vegas and blow the soot out I guess. Have not filled the Tourag since January. It has two trips to Las Vegas. Computer says almost 27 MPG, with about half short trips in Pahrump. I could probably save wear and tear on my diesels by getting a golf cart to drive shopping and eating out. A guy had one like this at the Farmer's Market this morning for $3500.

    We had a local family with an electric car/cart.. more for people moving, not golf. Whenever I saw her dropping off her kids at grade school, all I could imagine was those kids skittering across the pavement, if she was ever struck by another vehicle.. even at low speeds.
    Pahrump is mostly 35 MPH and you can take any vehicle on the roads. Of course you still have to obey the laws. You do see kids driving quads through town. Not sure if it is legal or not. We have very light traffic being really spread out. Pahrump is twice the area of Las Vegas with only 40k people. NO STINKING FREEWAYS. And only 3 stop lights and two roundabouts.

    https://pvtimes.com/news/cars-may-soon-share-roads-with-more-off-road-vehicles/
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    gagrice said:

    kyfdx said:

    gagrice said:

    Quick update on the GMC Canyon. Over the last month I drove 304 miles. Rarely over 35 MPH. Most trips 6 miles roundtrip. Just filled this morning and got a dismal 21.71 MPG. I don't think the engine ever gets warm driving 3 miles at a time. Longest drive is to the gunsmith 8 miles from us. Need to take it to Las Vegas and blow the soot out I guess. Have not filled the Tourag since January. It has two trips to Las Vegas. Computer says almost 27 MPG, with about half short trips in Pahrump. I could probably save wear and tear on my diesels by getting a golf cart to drive shopping and eating out. A guy had one like this at the Farmer's Market this morning for $3500.

    We had a local family with an electric car/cart.. more for people moving, not golf. Whenever I saw her dropping off her kids at grade school, all I could imagine was those kids skittering across the pavement, if she was ever struck by another vehicle.. even at low speeds.
    Pahrump is mostly 35 MPH and you can take any vehicle on the roads. Of course you still have to obey the laws. You do see kids driving quads through town. Not sure if it is legal or not. We have very light traffic being really spread out. Pahrump is twice the area of Las Vegas with only 40k people. NO STINKING FREEWAYS. And only 3 stop lights and two roundabouts.

    https://pvtimes.com/news/cars-may-soon-share-roads-with-more-off-road-vehicles/
    Law enforcement there has a reputation for religiously and strictly enforcing the low speed limits, particularly the main highways through town where the speed limit constantly changes.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Andres3 you are right on. It goes from 35 to 45 and back to 35 with no logic involved. And Thursdays are the worst day after the cops get their weekly pep talk from the Police chief. I don't want any speeding tickets. Though I hear they are nothing like CA speeding tickets. When I consider every place I go on a regular basis is 3 miles or less, no reason to go faster than 35. A Chevy Bolt would probably be the best choice and get that $7500 tax credit. Just cannot see us spending that kind of money for a runabout that sits in the garage plugged in. I am more likely to pick up a used VW Beetle TDI. Seems they are being modified and put on the market. Talked to a guy with a 2015 Jetta TDI that got the mod and $6500. He would never sell his diesel. Loves it.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Here’s an interesting $ 4.8 T dilemma that’s difficult to ignore! https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-6-trillion-fossil-fuel-000000065.html
  • carfanzzzcarfanzzz Member Posts: 3
    im considering Golf TDI with 30k miles thats offered on par to gasoline Golfs. Thats a great deal I think
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    carfanzzz said:

    im considering Golf TDI with 30k miles thats offered on par to gasoline Golfs. Thats a great deal I think

    I would say it is a very good deal. Most I see listed run on average $5k more than comparable gas models. I was more looking at Beetle TDI models under 40k miles. 3 year old Beetle gas low mileage around $10k. Same Beetle TDI $15k.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    Here’s an interesting $ 4.8 T dilemma that’s difficult to ignore! https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-6-trillion-fossil-fuel-000000065.html

    It has to be a tight rope for those playing the game. I think Al Gore was banking on the climate initiative making him a Billionaire. May have to wait a bit longer.

    http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/03/11/book-details-al-gore-quest-to-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire-profited-off-climate-lobbying/
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    I could not help to see the irony in an advertisement for “earth day”. The envirocons think even solar generated electricity is not good for the environment. (turn off all electricity on earth day/night) I wonder how that’s going to work out for all the espoused city living?

    Having said all this, here is a very interesting 37 MPG gasoline OR 42 MPG ULSD, 2.7 L, 480 # ft supercharged/turbocharged, 6 cylinder boxer engine. https://youtu.be/UxON-HIlz5E!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    One of the highest rated gasoline 4 door sedans is having a very hard time moving the # of units it wants !? https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/2018-honda-accord-struggles-move-132000346.html
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,685
    I hear that company is working with the Army to develop engines for their troop transports. My suspicion is that their primary public hurdles will be regulatory and perception/reliability issues.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    The anti-diesel PVF “movement” does not solve a plethora of issues: big to small, known & unknown, etc. If indeed it took gas hybrid 2 decades to hit 2% to 4% of the PVF, EV to reach a minimum of 10% of the PVF is on the vector of 50 to 100 years !!? . It also has not diminished the gasoline PVF %.

    Indeed, the now all in shift mantra to EV effectively outdates the gas hybrid investments. That (shortened) certainty in the marketplace almost necessarily makes certain: uncertainty.

    Advantage diesel!
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    One of the highest rated gasoline 4 door sedans is having a very hard time moving the # of units it wants !? https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/2018-honda-accord-struggles-move-132000346.html

    No surprises. CR-V top selling Honda. Sedans are losing ground every month. As Boomers retire at 10,000 per day CUVs become the vehicle of choice. Corolla still holding on to second spot with Accord a distant 3rd place.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    32/33 years ago, it became more than apparent to us, the mid size sedan (single unit, by itself) & station wagon ( parents had two) did not suit our lifestyle. (TMI: I did like their 1985 Toyota Cressida station wagon on freeway to South Lake Tahoe runs! Essentially it was a de-tuned Supra.) In spite of that, we got a 1987 TLC mid size SUV. It would seem that conclusion (CUV/SUV) is increasingly true for many more people. Essentially, 75% plus of the PVF remain large cars to light trucks. I’ve never have seen a publication as to what percentage of the PVF are : large cars, CUV, SUV, light trucks.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    What about natural gas? I saw a natural gas concrete truck rig this morning. Had a wrap on the gas tank that said "keeping San Diego Air Clean with Natural Gas."

    They seemed to be able to accelerate onto the freeway in a typical manner for a truck.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    I think it is particularly telling when the CA (our) natural gas PROVIDER, as well as electrical does not tell you the percentages of their vehicle fleet are electric & natural gas (gasoline & diesel) . Many to all their vehicles end up in a “yard” that have electrical & https://youtu.be/PewMgx753G0 natural gas refueling equipment. But yes, natural gas. Above is a theoretical physicist take on batteries

    To my mind, different percentages of USA fuel types (i.e., 10% x 10) are the long term tickets! Natural gas is 1 of 10 I can think of . Roll em in & out as MARKETS will bear.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    A call for Premium (PUG is @ 10% of PVF, i.e., more $$’s) to be the new regular? Here’s the TMI.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2018/03/12/gms-propulsion-chief-dan-nicholson-calls-for-premium-gas-to-be-the-new-regular/#56b333f16e9d
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited March 2018
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/03/13/your-car-consumer-reports-10-worst-brands-list/418864002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatodaycommoney-topstories

    The best & worse car brands, CR, hmmmm.

    Teslas Supercharger electrical rates go up, surprised to $.26 per kWh, CA ? https://www.yahoo.com/tech/tesla-raised-supercharger-rates-across-222100014.html

    The Tesla can do the 0 to 60 mph in 2.5 seconds IF that’s important.
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