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henryn

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it.
RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57.
I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons.

I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

That is indeed a bad idea, not checking the price on premium. The spread between RUG and PUG varies widely from station to station, and I do mean widely. The big name stations (Exxon, Chevron, etc) often charge 70 or 80 cents more for PUG over RUG. The HEB only charges about 30 to 33 cents more.

That 22 cents you lost could be a drop in the bucket compared to what you lost by not looking at the RUG - PUG price spread.

abacomike

I checked the local prices on PUG and Costco continues to be the lowest price per gallon by an average of 30 cents over gas stations.  That is significant, in my opinion.  What I don’t understand is the differential in prices from one Costco to another.  The Costco that just opened in Coral Springs is 7 cents a gallon more than the one I use in Pompano Beach.  The Costco in Boca Raton is 10 cents a gallon more than Pompano Beach.

I would think that Costco purchases bulk gasoline from the same jobbers for all three Costcos (within 10 miles of each other) at the same price.  So why the differential?  All the gasoline arrives at the Port Everglades (Ft. Lauderdale) port of entry for South Florida.  It’s adjacent to I-595 which connects with I-95 and the Florida Turnpike.  Maybe one of you guys has some insight.

abacomike

explorerx4 said:

When we went to board our flight, we had to walk outside down several flights of stairs and get on a bus which meandered around the airport, to get to our plane. The we got off and walked to the plane. On the return trip, couple international flights landed at the same time. They only had 1 working scanner for luggage that was transferring to a domestic flight.

I used to find DFW and ORD the most frustrating in getting from one connection to another.  Very long walks at ORD with huge concourses.  At least at DFW, they have trams that connect the four terminals.

cdnpinhead

abacomike said:

\I used to find DFW and ORD the most frustrating in getting from one connection to another.  Very long walks at ORD with huge concourses.  At least at DFW, they have trams that connect the four terminals.

I've learned to deal with DFW & ORD, but the one that takes the cake is LHR (Heathrow). I can generally get around pretty well, but the long walks at these airports to make connections are a pain in the [non-permissible content removed]. Even PHX, where I leave and arrive, has concourses long enough to see the curvature of the earth.

Anyway, on this recent trip to India I've checked my pride at the door and have started requesting cart/wheelchair transport between gates. Particularly at Heathrow when the connection is somewhat tight, it's a lifesaver.

Getting old is a b$tch, but I don't care for the other option either.

Mr_Shiftright

andres3 said:

graphicguy said:

My company has some components the Boeing uses in the Max (not related to the software). According to my colleagues on that side of the business reported that apparently, the FAA wanted to ground them a couple of days ago. It became a political hot potato as Boeing Execs whined to the right politician people to keep the planes flying in the U.S.

That hot potato became so hot, and the FAA’s evidence so compelling, the grounding advice was finally headed.

They should just order the planes to fly 30 MPH slower because speed kills, and slower is safer.

Well for an airline, it's certainly more fuel-efficient!

Mr_Shiftright

roadburner said:

explorerx4 said:

I mentioned that people were upset that the new Mustang GT500 will be limited to 180 MPH.
She said 'Where are you going to drive it that fast?'. Probably on some track.
Then she said 'I was behind a Mustang GT today and it sounded so good'.
Can't argue with that one.

Well, 180 isn't that fast anymore; my M235i has a 155 mph limiter-which I plan to remove-and even the X1 can almost top 140 mph. It's more about bragging rights, although as others have noted, the limit allows Ford a bit of leeway in tire selection, aerodynamics and cooling.
In any case, it's still better than the ludicrous 122 mph limit the boneheads at Volvo are slapping on their cars.

112 I think, RB.

ab348

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it.

Here, gas prices are set weekly by a provincial regulator based on the NY harbour spot price. It has gone up 4 weeks in a row, by a total of about 21 cents a liter or about 78 cents CDN per US gallon.

berri

Planes are like cars, there is an optimal fuel consumption point in between, influenced by load, altitude and winds.

That's quite a lot of windshield time from FLL to LAX. I agree flying is bad, but the Interstates are so often heavy traffic and backups, seems like you can't win either way. I'm wondering if getting sick on planes is actually more about not being cleaned as often than airflow? Arm rests, tray tables, overhead handles can be pretty filthy. Then there is the latrine, can't honestly call the new ones lavatory in my book. EWR, I'd recommend if you have to use it, try an airline like Delta that doesn't have a huge operation there. ATL may be busy, but personally I think it still beats DFW or ORD. On the left coast, LAX is still a dump. Just my take on it all.

PS - I think LAX reflects Hollywood. Films nice from the outside, but once out of camera range the reality shows its ugly face

oldfarmer50

abacomike said:

Happy St. Patrick’s Day tomorrow to our Irish brethren here on this thread.  Tonight I was invited to a friend’s house for his annual “corned beef and cabbage” dinner with lots of stout being served.  He is an amazing cook, however even with the use of DNA testing, he is probably more indigenous Native American than he is Irish, that’s for sure. 

In any case, enjoy the day, everyone.

Everyone is Irish on St. Paddy’s just as everyone is Mexican on Cinco de Mayo. Beer brings people together.

berri

Hey, I'm reading that St. Patrick's day is potentially politically incorrect now because it portrays Irishmen as drunkards. There seems no ability to just chill in America anymore!

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

abacomike said:

For many years I flew coast-to-coast at least 5 times a year (CA to FLL) plus 5-6 flights of 1500 miles or less.  Now, I fly commercially only in emergency situations where my family or my health are at risk for several reasons:

One reason has to do with the fact that whenever I fly on a commercial aircraft, I inevitably get sick - flu, cold, sore throat, etc.  Those years I suffered with Hep C from a blood transfusion played havoc with my immune system which is permanently out of whack even though I am cured of Hep C.

Another reason has to do with the beefed up security and, at times, the long lines and delays getting to the gate.  To me it is pure misery.

Now, if I go up to visit my brother, instead of getting on Jet Blue to fly to JAX, I drive.  As those of you who fly regularly for business know, flying is by no means the fun or enjoyment it used to be.  No more buffet meals in business class or first class.  No more flight attendants catering to your every need.  Economy class is horrendous and almost intolerable.

Well, Mike, to my knowledge I have a normal immune system yet I always seem to get sick after flying. Cooped up in a tube with 100 people for hours with very little fresh air that isn't just recirculated stuff full of germs and viruses will do that. Along with all of the other things you mentioned, the crowds, the waiting, the security theater, that cattle-like treatment, I have come to abhor the experience.

It was interesting this week - an acquaintance left on a vacation to San Diego and then Palm Springs, and was posting a bunch of pictures she took. It motivated me to check airfares from Halifax to Palm Springs. I was astounded to find a deal on Expedia that offered a round trip on 3/25 for a week in the Springs at $425 plus fees. There was another offer at close to the same price, a less attractive flight (the one I liked was a 787 from Newark to the west coast) that included a free hotel for almost the same price! It was really tempting, but I passed. I am not motivated to travel much it seems.

Drive down (or fly) to ALB and you can get multiple flights to points in Florida for $75 one way.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it.
RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57.
I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons.

I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

Wait, you use premium fuel but select the station by the price of regular? Don’t stations in Florida post the price of both grades?

When I run low I check prices with GasBuddy and then select the cheapest in the area I’ll be traveling. It’s funny how areas go from the cheapest to not so cheap and back again. My most recent low cost area just jumped 20 cents for all grades while another area that was more expensive came down a few cents.

Then again, a rich guy like you probably just has the chauffeur pick for him.

abacomike

oldfarmer50 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it. RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57. I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons. I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

Wait, you use premium fuel but select the station by the price of regular? Don’t stations in Florida post the price of both grades? When I run low I check prices with GasBuddy and then select the cheapest in the area I’ll be traveling. It’s funny how areas go from the cheapest to not so cheap and back again. My most recent low cost area just jumped 20 cents for all grades while another area that was more expensive came down a few cents. Then again, a rich guy like you probably just has the chauffeur pick for him.

Actually, down here in South Florida, very few stations display PUG or MUG prices - just RUG prices.

I do the same OF.  But Costco is about 1-1/2 miles from my condo and they are always lower in price than any other gasoline venues.

berri

I've heard that in many places Costco fuel comes from Shell, but have no idea whether that is true or not. I know it does get very good ratings, which kind of goes with many of their other Kirkland products.

explorerx4

RUG price is generally going to change more often that PUG due to how much the station sells. They need RUG more often.

driver100

henryn said:

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it.
RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57.
I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons.

I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

That is indeed a bad idea, not checking the price on premium. The spread between RUG and PUG varies widely from station to station, and I do mean widely. The big name stations (Exxon, Chevron, etc) often charge 70 or 80 cents more for PUG over RUG. The HEB only charges about 30 to 33 cents more.

That 22 cents you lost could be a drop in the bucket compared to what you lost by not looking at the RUG - PUG price spread.

You are right...I think the PUG was $3.19 or 60 cents more per gallon. Could make a difference, but, what do I do, go up to the pumps and look for the difference? I know some people will cross highways and wait in huge lines to save $1. I don't think it is worth risking life or limbs to save a few dollars. In the big scheme of things, when my life is over, I may have saved $100 or $200 by checking the prices for PUG.

driver100

abacomike said:

I checked the local prices on PUG and Costco continues to be the lowest price per gallon by an average of 30 cents over gas stations.  That is significant, in my opinion.  What I don’t understand is the differential in prices from one Costco to another.  The Costco that just opened in Coral Springs is 7 cents a gallon more than the one I use in Pompano Beach.  The Costco in Boca Raton is 10 cents a gallon more than Pompano Beach.t.

I am sure, even if Costco charges less, the area and the affluence of the area are still going to affect the final price. If other stations in town charge 7 or 10 cents more a gallon....Costco prices reflect that difference too.

berri

Some localities have different local tax amounts as well.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it.
RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57.
I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons.

I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

Wait, you use premium fuel but select the station by the price of regular? Don’t stations in Florida post the price of both grades?

When I run low I check prices with GasBuddy and then select the cheapest in the area I’ll be traveling. It’s funny how areas go from the cheapest to not so cheap and back again.

Then again, a rich guy like you probably just has the chauffeur pick for him.

No, stations only post RUG and diesel prices. Yeh, a chauffeur picks me up in a 2014 C Class. I think you are confusing me with Mike.

abacomike

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it. RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57. I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons. I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

Wait, you use premium fuel but select the station by the price of regular? Don’t stations in Florida post the price of both grades? When I run low I check prices with GasBuddy and then select the cheapest in the area I’ll be traveling. It’s funny how areas go from the cheapest to not so cheap and back again. Then again, a rich guy like you probably just has the chauffeur pick for him.

No, stations only post RUG and diesel prices. Yeh, a chauffeur picks me up in a 2014 C Class. I think you are confusing me with Mike.

No one confuses Driver100 with abacomike - no one!  On the other hand, no one confuses abacomike with Driver100!  Why, you might ask?  Because abacomike wears shorts all year round while Driver100 would never be caught wearing shorts except on a tennis 🎾 court! 🤪

snakeweasel

graphicguy said:

Spring’s right around the corner. This place opens today, serving the best root beer I’ve ever had.....ANYWHERE!

https://www.therootbeerstand.com/

Best root beer I have ever had was homemade by a friend of mine that I have long since lost touch with.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

Spring’s right around the corner. This place opens today, serving the best root beer I’ve ever had.....ANYWHERE!

https://www.therootbeerstand.com/

Best root beer I have ever had was homemade by a friend of mine that I have long since lost touch with.

I have heard stories about some of those home brews

sda

I love a root beer float! Coke floats are good too, but no match to root beer.

driver100

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it.
RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57.
I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons.

I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

Wait, you use premium fuel but select the station by the price of regular? Don’t stations in Florida post the price of both grades?

When I run low I check prices with GasBuddy and then select the cheapest in the area I’ll be traveling. It’s funny how areas go from the cheapest to not so cheap and back again.

Then again, a rich guy like you probably just has the chauffeur pick for him.

No, stations only post RUG and diesel prices. Yeh, a chauffeur picks me up in a 2014 C Class. I think you are confusing me with Mike.

No one confuses Driver100 with abacomike - no one!  On the other hand, no one confuses abacomike with Driver100!  Why, you might ask?  Because abacomike wears shorts all year round while Driver100 would never be caught wearing shorts except on a tennis 🎾 court!

🤪

That reminds me...my Superman Halloween costume arrived yesterday. Let's have a vote....who wants to see me in it?

snakeweasel

berri said:

Hey, I'm reading that St. Patrick's day is potentially politically incorrect now because it portrays Irishmen as drunkards. There seems no ability to just chill in America anymore!

OK you forced me to do this.

What's 3 miles long, green and drunk?

The St. Patrick's day parade.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it.
RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57.
I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons.

I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

Wait, you use premium fuel but select the station by the price of regular? Don’t stations in Florida post the price of both grades?

When I run low I check prices with GasBuddy and then select the cheapest in the area I’ll be traveling. It’s funny how areas go from the cheapest to not so cheap and back again. My most recent low cost area just jumped 20 cents for all grades while another area that was more expensive came down a few cents.

Then again, a rich guy like you probably just has the chauffeur pick for him.

Around here it seems that if a gas station has no other gas station near it or it's right off the Interstate they have higher prices.

snakeweasel

berri said:

I've heard that in many places Costco fuel comes from Shell, but have no idea whether that is true or not. I know it does get very good ratings, which kind of goes with many of their other Kirkland products.

Costco likely gets their fuel from the nearest refinery as most stations do. Here Costco gets there from Citco.

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it.
RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57.
I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons.

I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

Wait, you use premium fuel but select the station by the price of regular? Don’t stations in Florida post the price of both grades?

When I run low I check prices with GasBuddy and then select the cheapest in the area I’ll be traveling. It’s funny how areas go from the cheapest to not so cheap and back again.

Then again, a rich guy like you probably just has the chauffeur pick for him.

No, stations only post RUG and diesel prices. Yeh, a chauffeur picks me up in a 2014 C Class. I think you are confusing me with Mike.

No one confuses Driver100 with abacomike - no one!  On the other hand, no one confuses abacomike with Driver100!  Why, you might ask?  Because abacomike wears shorts all year round while Driver100 would never be caught wearing shorts except on a tennis 🎾 court!

🤪

That reminds me...my Superman Halloween costume arrived yesterday. Let's have a vote....who wants to see me in it?

GO FOR IT!!!!!

snakeweasel

Well a sure sign that spring is almost here is that I got the bike out on Thursday. May be able to get it out again next week. Now I have to get the bicycle up to par and start training for a century ride.

imidazol97

I've seen a lot of Corvettes the last 4 days. Bright sunshine Five days to Spring.
The tulips are sprouting and so are the Vettes.

I've also seen several other classic cars.

First car shows here are in 4 weeks. I did miss one show Saturday last that was a special for fund raising for a police officer who died in line of duty. It takes nerve to schedule a show in March and April. Last Saturday had some nice 30s in the morning but afternoon blew in weather.

imidazol97

It's been a difficult week. A friend of ours lost her husband to pancreatic and colon cancer. Their son died 7 months ago with liver cancer leaving a wife and two daughters. Really sad.

imidazol97

Gas buddy here allows me to choose regular, premium, or midgrade for reporting the prices. I notice that many people don't report the premium fuel prices at stations, so those are missing and don't show up for comparison.

I've noticed some stations would lower their regular prices but keep their Mid an dPUG prices at the earlier prices. So buyers who thought Shell and BP were being competition on all grades had, well, assumed something that wasn't true.

Glad my cars use regular.

Mr_Shiftright

I wish we had some of those Chinese bullet trains. Those things haul! From Beijing to Shanghai takes about 4.5 hours to go 819 miles. That's about the same as Houston-Chicago or Phoenix San Francisco. They can regularly hit 217 mph top speed. $82 bucks for 2nd class ticket.

roadburner

Mr_Shiftright said:

roadburner said:

explorerx4 said:

I mentioned that people were upset that the new Mustang GT500 will be limited to 180 MPH.
She said 'Where are you going to drive it that fast?'. Probably on some track.
Then she said 'I was behind a Mustang GT today and it sounded so good'.
Can't argue with that one.

Well, 180 isn't that fast anymore; my M235i has a 155 mph limiter-which I plan to remove-and even the X1 can almost top 140 mph. It's more about bragging rights, although as others have noted, the limit allows Ford a bit of leeway in tire selection, aerodynamics and cooling.
In any case, it's still better than the ludicrous 122 mph limit the boneheads at Volvo are slapping on their cars.

112 I think, RB.

You are correct; even more ridiculous. My MS3 had a 155 mph limiter and the ti had a 116 mph limiter- I removed them both.

roadburner

I will price shop PUG, but the gasoline has to be Top Tier- almost always BP, Marathon, or Shell.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

abacomike said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

I always lose when I buy gas.....it always goes down in price right after I buy it.
RUG was $2.59 when I bought it on Wednesday, the next day it dropped back to $2.57.
I am out 22 cents on 11 gallons.

I have no idea what PUG costs....I use PUG but only go be the RUG price listed on the sign....that is probably a good way to rip us off......

Wait, you use premium fuel but select the station by the price of regular? Don’t stations in Florida post the price of both grades?

When I run low I check prices with GasBuddy and then select the cheapest in the area I’ll be traveling. It’s funny how areas go from the cheapest to not so cheap and back again.

Then again, a rich guy like you probably just has the chauffeur pick for him.

No, stations only post RUG and diesel prices. Yeh, a chauffeur picks me up in a 2014 C Class. I think you are confusing me with Mike.

No one confuses Driver100 with abacomike - no one!  On the other hand, no one confuses abacomike with Driver100!  Why, you might ask?  Because abacomike wears shorts all year round while Driver100 would never be caught wearing shorts except on a tennis 🎾 court!

🤪

That reminds me...my Superman Halloween costume arrived yesterday. Let's have a vote....who wants to see me in it?

GO FOR IT!!!!!

Need more than 1!

driver100

Mr_Shiftright said:

I wish we had some of those Chinese bullet trains. Those things haul! From Beijing to Shanghai takes about 4.5 hours to go 819 miles. That's about the same as Houston-Chicago or Phoenix San Francisco. They can regularly hit 217 mph top speed. $82 bucks for 2nd class ticket.

I think you need the right tracks to go that fast.
The Chinese probably don't try to beat trains across the tracks...or walk on tracks, or dive into a pond from a train bridge, or do all the other things that could really cause problems at speeds over 200 mph.

ruking1

Mr_Shiftright said:

I wish we had some of those Chinese bullet trains. Those things haul! From Beijing to Shanghai takes about 4.5 hours to go 819 miles. That's about the same as Houston-Chicago or Phoenix San Francisco. They can regularly hit 217 mph top speed. $82 bucks for 2nd class ticket.

You and the former governor Moonbeam. The monies needed for “commercial completion” would bankrupt America, let alone CA state. “Fare box” revenues would not be even operationally sustainable.

ruking1

imidazol97 said:

Gas buddy here allows me to choose regular, premium, or midgrade for reporting the prices. I notice that many people don't report the premium fuel prices at stations, so those are missing and don't show up for comparison.

I've noticed some stations would lower their regular prices but keep their Mid an dPUG prices at the earlier prices. So buyers who thought Shell and BP were being competition on all grades had, well, assumed something that wasn't true.

Glad my cars use regular.

Probably 9% + (25.92 M) of the passenger vehicle fleet has PUG required or highly recommended. It’s really inexplicable buying a (more expensive) car like that and using RUG. One can really tell the difference, not that it really matters to anybody else.

berri

Sorry McSnakeweasel , didn't mean to pressure you Shamrock . Will it be Guinness or Jameson

roadburner

ruking1 said:

Probably 9% + (25.92 M) of the passenger vehicle fleet has PUG required or highly recommended. It’s really inexplicable buying a (more expensive) car like that and using RUG. One can really tell the difference, not that it really matters to anybody else.

Check out most any forum dedicated to performance cars(American or imported, it makes no difference) and you'll invariably find dimwits asking if they really have to buy PUG- or buy tires with the same or higher speed rating.

A pox on all their houses.

stickguy

Acura is only recommended, not required, for PUG. But RUG is perfectly safe to use, and there is plenty of confirmation on that available. I worry more about the quality of the gas, not the octane. I never use no name stations. But, among the quality options, Gasbuddy is the way to go! Usually here too they only display the RUG price on the big sign, and PUG can vary widely.

I go back and forth with the RDX. Have never noticed any difference in performance or MPG. Actually, some of my best MPG runs were on RUG. And I never tap into half the performance capability of that buggy, so quite likely that they extreme end of the mapping where the extra octane can be utilized is someplace it never goes.

so far in the TLX, I have been putting mid grade in to split the difference. Our old TL went 175K using just mid grade and was perfectly happy (that car did not actually like RUG). So I think it is a good compromise for now.

ruking1

My current point of reference is a 2001 Corvette Z06. (6 speed manual only) It’s 385 hp/# ft. stock, except for a more open intake cap, which supposedly opens breathing, pushing the numbers to 400 hp/# ft. I really don’t feel the need to put 4 runs on the dyno for either the air filter cover change or PUG vs RUG.

It loses a bit on the road UP (7,382 ft) to (highway 50/80) Tahoe, CA/NV.

The only time that I used RUG (in 80,000 miles), was on the desert highways to Las Vegas, NV. The place/stations where I HAD to stop ran out of PUG. There were some huge motorcycle get together. The (power) difference was almost instantaneous noticeable from PUG.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

Acura is only recommended, not required, for PUG. But RUG is perfectly safe to use, and there is plenty of confirmation on that available. I worry more about the quality of the gas, not the octane. I never use no name stations. But, among the quality options, Gasbuddy is the way to go! Usually here too they only display the RUG price on the big sign, and PUG can vary widely.

I go back and forth with the RDX. Have never noticed any difference in performance or MPG. Actually, some of my best MPG runs were on RUG. And I never tap into half the performance capability of that buggy, so quite likely that they extreme end of the mapping where the extra octane can be utilized is someplace it never goes.

so far in the TLX, I have been putting mid grade in to split the difference. Our old TL went 175K using just mid grade and was perfectly happy (that car did not actually like RUG). So I think it is a good compromise for now.

All the cars in my fleet run on RUG except for the Mustang which used to be able to take it with a minor reduction in power. Now with all the tasty Shelby bits it requires 91 octane or higher. I don’t mind since I always used PUG anyway.

My old Lincoln 4valve reccomended 91 but ran fine on 89 mid range.

As to gas brand, I always used to get whatever was cheapest but recently a brand name station was priced close enough that I tried it a few times in the PT. It seemed to give me a noticeable improvement so now I wonder if I should try the good stuff in all my rides.

tjc78

We had my son’s fifth birthday a Nerf Gun battle place.... good times. Came home and helped him open all his new toys and played for while. Decent but windy day so spent some time outside. I wanted to wash the cars since they are gross but said the hell with that and the entire family took a nap. Over ordered on Pizza for the party so gonna be eating it all weekend lol.

It was thirty people, so I figured 2.5 slices each and actually rounded down to 9. Guess I wasn’t thinking that almost half of that were 5 year olds. Oops.

tjc78

Since you guys know everything.... we had a nice patio poured last he backyard. We had a patio set that is supposed to be aluminum, but when we moved the chairs they poured out rusty water. Now I’ve got some nasty rust stains on the concrete. I’ve read lemon juice, white vinegar or store bought stuff. Anyone have a recommendation on what actually works?

28firefighter

tjc78 said:

We had my son’s fifth birthday a Nerf Gun battle place.... good times. Came home and helped him open all his new toys and played for while. Decent but windy day so spent some time outside. I wanted to wash the cars since they are gross but said the hell with that and the entire family took a nap. Over ordered on Pizza for the party so gonna be eating it all weekend lol. It was thirty people, so I figured 2.5 slices each and actually rounded down to 9. Guess I wasn’t thinking that almost half of that were 5 year olds. Oops.

You order like me. 

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

Since you guys know everything.... we had a nice patio poured last he backyard. We had a patio set that is supposed to be aluminum, but when we moved the chairs they poured out rusty water. Now I’ve got some nasty rust stains on the concrete. I’ve read lemon juice, white vinegar or store bought stuff. Anyone have a recommendation on what actually works?

The vinegar would be my choice. They say to leave it on longer for better cleaning. If that doesn’t work try a product called CLR.

I bet your furniture was aluminum but the bolts holding it together were iron.

driver100

I use Shell most of the time, mainly because I can go through the car wash for an extra $8.
They have a wash at marathon but half the time the pump won't accept my card...I have to go inside, so I don't bother going there any more.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

Since you guys know everything.... we had a nice patio poured last he backyard. We had a patio set that is supposed to be aluminum, but when we moved the chairs they poured out rusty water. Now I’ve got some nasty rust stains on the concrete. I’ve read lemon juice, white vinegar or store bought stuff. Anyone have a recommendation on what actually works?

The vinegar would be my choice. They say to leave it on longer for better cleaning. If that doesn’t work try a product called CLR.

I bet your furniture was aluminum but the bolts holding it together were iron.

I agree about the high carbon steel hardware causing the rust and I also agree with using vinegar. However, and this goes against all that is holy to you @oldfarmer50, but I have mixed vinegar with salt and had success with removing rust from concrete. The salt won't hurt the concrete because you are going to flood the area with water after the vinegar/salt solution has been applied.

Hard to believe but sometimes salt can be a good thing.

jmonroe