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ruking1

qbrozen said:

I doubt my car will be washed during its time with me.

Vendor exterior hand wash & interior vacuuming & cleaning: app $30. They do fresh bagels & coffee for early morning appointments.😜👍

The normal gas station $10-$12 wash sets up too many conditions for swirling or damage. One example In CA, those “industrial type” car washes are mandated to use internally recycled water. They can add fresh water to top off.

henryn

The minivan and the pickup were both washed and waxed yesterday. I provide the supplies, it's done in my driveway, costs $18 per vehicle. There are several people in my neighborhood who are happy to get the work, and do a decent job. No interior cleaning, just exterior. Takes about an hour to an hour and a half per vehicle.

ruking1

Indeed ! I’m glad you do. Like most things, it’s mostly in the preparations. Every detailer has their “secret sauces”. Doing the external washing correctly is a lot of work. Actually the internal cleaning & vacuuming is a load of work but yields that new car feeling and smell, every time it’s done.

When my two girls were young, we would wash/dry/polish Zaino, vacuum & clean two at a time. Neither now has any affinity doing any car work.🤪 They’ve changed tires, T/P, oil/filter changes, air filters, engine washing & correct fluids replenishment, correct & safe jacking procedures etc. So they’ve seen the good, bad, the ugly.

I’ve seen 1 to 4 folks do the hand washing/internal cleaning@ the local shop. Around here also, there are mobile car wash options. They will come/go anywhere you want to get your car washed.

stickguy

JM, if I was looking now, I’d be happy to take it off your hands for $10k. Seems like a deal to me.

28firefighter

Agree. Even with the body work, that car is a scream of a deal at $10k.

jipster

jmonroe1 said:

jipster said:

Looked at a silver 2011 Mazda 3 at Roadburners favorite dealership...Oxmoor Hyundai. 86k miles. $8,500. Internet.price $7,700. Waste.of time and a bit miffed the sales coordinator brought me in to look at the thing. Front end bumper looked loose. Paint on front bumper was crinkled, like it hit a dog or something. Had some hail damage...or the guy parked too close to a driving range. Craigslist has a good car show up about once a month. Doesn't anyone legitimately sell.private party anymore?? Craigslist, and all others, look to be 95% curbstoners.

Have I got a deal for you !!

Since a Silver car doesn't scare you off how about Mrs. j's 2012 Subaru Legacy Limited with 36K miles? I'm about to take it to the dealers today and I'll be trying to fetch 11K + even with a whacked passenger side mirror. However, for a long time poster buddy, your kid can have it for $10,300 and I'll even have the mirror replaced. You won't have to bring a lunch to get this deal, just a check. Easy peasy.

jmonroe

Thanks jmonroe. Was actually thinking about that Legacy when I posted earlier. I seriously would love to buy a car.from you, because I know it would be exceptionally well maintained.. But it's a bit out of our price range. :-(

jipster

Jmonroe, you trading in and buying new? How did it go? Did you use the "Jipst Method of New Car Buying", or that other guys?

jipster

That Legacy would have been perfect if it had about 50,000 more.miles on it. :-(

jipster

Jmonroe, is it the 2.5 of 3.6 Limited?

explorerx4

I still have to wait for it to warm up enough to break out the car wax.
Hoping soon.

driver100

jipster said:

Jmonroe, you trading in and buying new? How did it go? Did you use the "Jipst Method of New Car Buying", or that other guys?

Use the Jipst method on JM. Tell him $7700 or you're walking.

The Subie has 36k miles, the Mazda 86k IIRC, that is like 10 to 15 years more use, for about $3000. I have to say, JM's offer sounds pretty good.

jipster

driver100 said:

jipster said:

Jmonroe, you trading in and buying new? How did it go? Did you use the "Jipst Method of New Car Buying", or that other guys?

Use the Jipst method on JM. Tell him $7700 or you're walking.

The Subie has 36k miles, the Mazda 86k IIRC, that is like 10 to 15 years more use, for about $3000. I have to say, JM's offer sounds pretty good.

LOL. I wouldn't use the Jipst Method on Jmonroe. It would be like regular matter and anti-matter.colliding. Galaxies would be destroyed.

I worked last night, didn't see Jmonroe post till an hour or so ago. I am intrigued. :-)

houdini2

jipster said:

Jmonroe, is it the 2.5 of 3.6 Limited?

I think you've got him circling monroe.

abacomike

Mr_Shiftright said:

7 coats? How about spending more time playing tennis or golf?

Or driving the car around town to show it off to the neighbors and friends?😝😜🤪

stickguy

the JM Sube is a 3.6 limited.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Sandman6472 said:

The 2017 Ford Foci had a better auto tranny and that herky-jerky was all but eliminated. I know all the 2017's that we got, mostly Titanium models, drove perfectly with smooth shifting. The early models were awful, just awful, and most folks would ask for something else. They just were unsafe to drive in my opinion and always knew Ford had a fix, but instead, they denied and denied for years. Sad really as I'd own a newer Focus if need be, prefer a Titanium hatchback. As long as it got me from Point A to Point B will no issues, I'd be fine.

I always wonder is there that much inertia in the car industry that when a very obvious design problem occurs with a transmission or engine the companies let the problem go on for years.

That inertia problem is one thing that makes me hesitate about Ford. When there is a design flaw they seem to be slow to address it. That is what happened to the Fusion rental that stalled on me 2 years ago.....the rental company said it was happening a lot, they gave me another car (Chrysler 300 with bigger problems - steering that froze) right away and said they would be getting it fixed at the dealers. It was dangerous to drive a car that stalled on a highway for no reason....yet, the problem didn't seem important enough for Ford to get the cars back and fixed immediately, they decided to fix them as they broke down. That tells me....no pride in what they make.

I think if it was an F-150 they would have taken care of it right away, that is their meal ticket.

Not just Ford. Both GM and Chrysler had advanced engines that had serious design problems. It took years and multiple lawsuits before they dealt with the problems. By that time no one trusted the engines or the companies.

I don’t follow the foreign makes as closely but I bet they have their stories too (like the Honda/Acura glass transmissions)

oldfarmer50

Mr_Shiftright said:

Give it to a new start up for the "gig economy". It's called "Under", where you can rent the clothes you aren't wearing at the moment. Then get a job there, get a stock option, and cash in when the company goes IPO, hopefully before it goes out of business.

Rent your clothes? Ewwwwwwwwww!

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

Looked at a silver 2011 Mazda 3 at Roadburners favorite dealership...Oxmoor Hyundai. 86k miles. $8,500. Internet.price $7,700. Waste.of time and a bit miffed the sales coordinator brought me in to look at the thing. Front end bumper looked loose. Paint on front bumper was crinkled, like it hit a dog or something. Had some hail damage...or the guy parked too close to a driving range. Craigslist has a good car show up about once a month. Doesn't anyone legitimately sell.private party anymore?? Craigslist, and all others, look to be 95% curbstoners.

Could the dealer at least provide you with a Carfax so you could assess the damage? Did they offer to fix what was wrong? Suprising that a new car dealer would put something like that on their lot. We have some dealers reject our cars for minor scratches or dings so I know they can be picky.

ruking1

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Sandman6472 said:

The 2017 Ford Foci had a better auto tranny and that herky-jerky was all but eliminated. I know all the 2017's that we got, mostly Titanium models, drove perfectly with smooth shifting. The early models were awful, just awful, and most folks would ask for something else. They just were unsafe to drive in my opinion and always knew Ford had a fix, but instead, they denied and denied for years. Sad really as I'd own a newer Focus if need be, prefer a Titanium hatchback. As long as it got me from Point A to Point B will no issues, I'd be fine.

I always wonder is there that much inertia in the car industry that when a very obvious design problem occurs with a transmission or engine the companies let the problem go on for years.

That inertia problem is one thing that makes me hesitate about Ford. When there is a design flaw they seem to be slow to address it. That is what happened to the Fusion rental that stalled on me 2 years ago.....the rental company said it was happening a lot, they gave me another car (Chrysler 300 with bigger problems - steering that froze) right away and said they would be getting it fixed at the dealers. It was dangerous to drive a car that stalled on a highway for no reason....yet, the problem didn't seem important enough for Ford to get the cars back and fixed immediately, they decided to fix them as they broke down. That tells me....no pride in what they make.

I think if it was an F-150 they would have taken care of it right away, that is their meal ticket.

Not just Ford. Both GM and Chrysler had advanced engines that had serious design problems. It took years and multiple lawsuits before they dealt with the problems. By that time no one trusted the engines or the companies.

I don’t follow the foreign makes as closely but I bet they have their stories too (like the Honda/Acura glass transmissions)

Diesel (4 cylinder (1.9L, 2.0 L, 2.1L TT, 3.0L) engines seem to run better than almost any gas models.that I’ve bought. The diesels all use less oil than gas models. (30,000 miles OCI’s vs 20,000 miles OCI’s)

I’ve liked the Tremec MT 6 speed. However, GM didn’t mate the V8 with enough safety factor torque head room. (385 hp/# ft, 405 hp/# ft safety factor)

So for example the VW Touareg 3.0 L TDI has 406 # ft mated to an 8 speed AT 620 # ft. The AT is curiously a Toyota product. I loved both products.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

CBC article on Hyundai/Kia engine fores and their recalls. Scary stuff.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/father-outraged-after-engine-fire-puts-family-at-risk-1.5064230

Oh oh, my new car has the 2.0L Theta engine. I read some articles about premature bearing failure too.

explorerx4

@ruking1,
One Mercedes service is going cost more than 5 years maintenance on a Ford.

stickguy

don't worry. in 10 years when the powertrain warranty runs out, you probably won't care any more.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Switch it up a bit.....I’ve been inundated by ads for these “new” waxes......

https://www.shinearmor.com/products/shineshield®-wash-and-wax

https://www.produxa.store/products/

For years I’ve pretty much been a Zaino fan. I use several of their products and generally, have been pleased. Some of them take a little more effort and care to apply and remove, but overall, they’re good for my car(s) and have kept them shiny and protected.

These new ones seem to be different formulations (ceramic? Hydroponic?). I know Zaino is a synthetic (vs Carnuba wax), but not sure how it stacks up.

Anyone have any experience with the ones linked above?

The picture in the ad showing the can sliding off the hood reminds me of the product I use, Mequire’s Ultimate Fast Finish. Makes the car so slick that when I throw the cover on it, it keeps going and slides off the other side. Supposed to last a year but I’d say 6 months is more like it.

ruking1

explorerx4 said:

@ruking1,
One Mercedes service is going cost more than 5 years maintenance on a Ford.

30,000 OCI has 7 L‘s MB 229.52 synthetic M1 oil, oil filter, copper lock ring, or set, .25 hr shop time.

But if MB refuses to do anymore diesels, at the appropriate time, I will probably switch back to Lexus or Toyota, as gutless as they are.

stickguy

I use Meguires tech wax usually. Stuff slides right off the hood with that product too.

explorerx4

If I do The Works every 5k( oil change/tire rotation 6 times), plus engine air/cabin filter @30k, guessing less than $350.
Usually first service is free, but I'm including it as paid.

berri

I don’t follow the foreign makes as closely but I bet they have their stories too (like the Honda/Acura glass transmissions)

Honda quality ratings seem about par with Ford and GM. They don't seem to be in the same class as Toyota anymore. But then, I'm not sure Toyota is significantly enough higher in QC anymore to allow them much of a price premium. Maybe someday Southeast Toyota may have to cut back on the gouge compared to elsewhere in the country. I know I wouldn't pay much of a premium compared to the competition on most cars today. The quality spread has shrunk considerably from a decade ago. Eventually most buyers are going to catch on.

oldfarmer50

ruking1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Sandman6472 said:

The 2017 Ford Foci had a better auto tranny and that herky-jerky was all but eliminated. I know all the 2017's that we got, mostly Titanium models, drove perfectly with smooth shifting. The early models were awful, just awful, and most folks would ask for something else. They just were unsafe to drive in my opinion and always knew Ford had a fix, but instead, they denied and denied for years. Sad really as I'd own a newer Focus if need be, prefer a Titanium hatchback. As long as it got me from Point A to Point B will no issues, I'd be fine.

I always wonder is there that much inertia in the car industry that when a very obvious design problem occurs with a transmission or engine the companies let the problem go on for years.

That inertia problem is one thing that makes me hesitate about Ford. When there is a design flaw they seem to be slow to address it. That is what happened to the Fusion rental that stalled on me 2 years ago.....the rental company said it was happening a lot, they gave me another car (Chrysler 300 with bigger problems - steering that froze) right away and said they would be getting it fixed at the dealers. It was dangerous to drive a car that stalled on a highway for no reason....yet, the problem didn't seem important enough for Ford to get the cars back and fixed immediately, they decided to fix them as they broke down. That tells me....no pride in what they make.

I think if it was an F-150 they would have taken care of it right away, that is their meal ticket.

Not just Ford. Both GM and Chrysler had advanced engines that had serious design problems. It took years and multiple lawsuits before they dealt with the problems. By that time no one trusted the engines or the companies.

I don’t follow the foreign makes as closely but I bet they have their stories too (like the Honda/Acura glass transmissions)

Diesel (4 cylinder (1.9L, 2.0 L, 2.1L TT, 3.0L) engines seem to run better than almost any gas models.that I’ve bought. The diesels all use less oil than gas models. (30,000 miles OCI’s vs 20,000 miles OCI’s)

I’ve liked the Tremec MT 6 speed. However, GM didn’t mate the V8 with enough safety factor torque head room. (385 hp/# ft, 405 hp/# ft safety factor)

So for example the VW Touareg 3.0 L TDI has 406 # ft mated to an 8 speed AT 620 # ft. The AT is curiously a Toyota product. I loved both products.

Doesn’t Toyota use Aisin auto trannies. They are supposed to be superior to other makes.

tjc78

@oldfarmer50
Yes they do.  

explorerx4

@ruking1,
I don't doubt that any of the numbers you are posting are accurate, but any way you look at it, a Mercedes is not inexpensive to own.

tjc78

Anyone need furniture?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI7jC57GuZM

Mr_Shiftright

GC + A + M = DMP

German car + Age + Miles = Depth of the Money Pit

Where GC is assigned a value of 1 through 5 (Porsche, BMW, VW, Mercedes, Audi); Age expressed in years since new; Miles expressed unit of 10,000, e.g. 1 unit = 10,000.

In theory, the deepest MP you can achieve in the real world would be something like 5+20+25---so a score of 50 you're in so deep you will never be seen again.

stickguy

wouldn't an old Roller blow that out of the water?

Mr_Shiftright

Oh yeah. Goes without saying. Different league of Money Pit entirely. Instead of "MP", I would use the symbol "DW" as in Death Wish.

The main numeric multiplier is, of course, the make of car. Every car made will cost more to maintain and repair as you pile on age and miles.

I suppose we'd need to factor in how much money you actually have to throw into the pit. The more you have, the easier it is to climb out.

ruking1

oldfarmer50 said:

ruking1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Sandman6472 said:

The 2017 Ford Foci had a better auto tranny and that herky-jerky was all but eliminated. I know all the 2017's that we got, mostly Titanium models, drove perfectly with smooth shifting. The early models were awful, just awful, and most folks would ask for something else. They just were unsafe to drive in my opinion and always knew Ford had a fix, but instead, they denied and denied for years. Sad really as I'd own a newer Focus if need be, prefer a Titanium hatchback. As long as it got me from Point A to Point B will no issues, I'd be fine.

I always wonder is there that much inertia in the car industry that when a very obvious design problem occurs with a transmission or engine the companies let the problem go on for years.

That inertia problem is one thing that makes me hesitate about Ford. When there is a design flaw they seem to be slow to address it. That is what happened to the Fusion rental that stalled on me 2 years ago.....the rental company said it was happening a lot, they gave me another car (Chrysler 300 with bigger problems - steering that froze) right away and said they would be getting it fixed at the dealers. It was dangerous to drive a car that stalled on a highway for no reason....yet, the problem didn't seem important enough for Ford to get the cars back and fixed immediately, they decided to fix them as they broke down. That tells me....no pride in what they make.

I think if it was an F-150 they would have taken care of it right away, that is their meal ticket.

Not just Ford. Both GM and Chrysler had advanced engines that had serious design problems. It took years and multiple lawsuits before they dealt with the problems. By that time no one trusted the engines or the companies.

I don’t follow the foreign makes as closely but I bet they have their stories too (like the Honda/Acura glass transmissions)

Diesel (4 cylinder (1.9L, 2.0 L, 2.1L TT, 3.0L) engines seem to run better than almost any gas models.that I’ve bought. The diesels all use less oil than gas models. (30,000 miles OCI’s vs 20,000 miles OCI’s)

I’ve liked the Tremec MT 6 speed. However, GM didn’t mate the V8 with enough safety factor torque head room. (385 hp/# ft, 405 hp/# ft safety factor)

So for example the VW Touareg 3.0 L TDI has 406 # ft mated to an 8 speed AT 620 # ft. The AT is curiously a Toyota product. I loved both products.

Doesn’t Toyota use Aisin auto trannies. They are supposed to be superior to other makes.

Indeed, Aisin is the Toyota owned brand name. http://www.aisin.com/product/automotive/drivetrain/index.html

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Give it to a new start up for the "gig economy". It's called "Under", where you can rent the clothes you aren't wearing at the moment. Then get a job there, get a stock option, and cash in when the company goes IPO, hopefully before it goes out of business.

Rent your clothes? Ewwwwwwwwww!

There are 3 things I never lend...my toothbrush, my underwear, or my car!

Michaell

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Give it to a new start up for the "gig economy". It's called "Under", where you can rent the clothes you aren't wearing at the moment. Then get a job there, get a stock option, and cash in when the company goes IPO, hopefully before it goes out of business.

Rent your clothes? Ewwwwwwwwww!

There are 3 things I never lend...my toothbrush, my underwear, or my car!

So you would lend out your horizontal striped shirt?

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Give it to a new start up for the "gig economy". It's called "Under", where you can rent the clothes you aren't wearing at the moment. Then get a job there, get a stock option, and cash in when the company goes IPO, hopefully before it goes out of business.

Rent your clothes? Ewwwwwwwwww!

There are 3 things I never lend...my toothbrush, my underwear, or my car!

So you would lend out your horizontal striped shirt?

He might try but who would want it?

jmonroe

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Looked at a silver 2011 Mazda 3 at Roadburners favorite dealership...Oxmoor Hyundai. 86k miles. $8,500. Internet.price $7,700. Waste.of time and a bit miffed the sales coordinator brought me in to look at the thing. Front end bumper looked loose. Paint on front bumper was crinkled, like it hit a dog or something. Had some hail damage...or the guy parked too close to a driving range. Craigslist has a good car show up about once a month. Doesn't anyone legitimately sell.private party anymore?? Craigslist, and all others, look to be 95% curbstoners.

Could the dealer at least provide you with a Carfax so you could assess the damage? Did they offer to fix what was wrong? Suprising that a new car dealer would put something like that on their lot. We have some dealers reject our cars for minor scratches or dings so I know they can be picky.

Yes, the dealership had a Carfax. Didn't show any accidents. But, it did have a "Damage" report. Maybe an elephant sat on the car? I really didn't even like the car enough to test drive it, so no repair request was made.

What do you do again, oldfarmer... are you a consultant to auto dealerships?

jipster

Exchanged a few emails with this guy who advertised a 2012 Lincoln MKZ on Craigslist. He sells his cars in the owner/private party section, but he is a dealer. He ends each ad with, "Please don't waste my time, or yours, by asking for a lower price". LOL. He generally sells cars that are in the 2010-2013 age group, and usually around $500 over Kelley Blue Book. Price range $6,000-$10,000. When I asked him how long he owned the Lincoln, and other questions, he responded:

"Hi Jim,

I’ve been in the car business for 27 years. I used to run car dealerships. I now consult for about 150 dealerships and then sell 15-20 cars a month as well.

My vehicles are fully inspected and are nicer than what most dealers carry. Along with that, I price my cars below the market avg as well factoring options, mileage and equipment.

I’d love to help you all if I can.

Thanks Ron"

Ron says his prices are below market average, must be dealer retail. They are usually really clean cars with good miles. Usually with fresh rubber. Good name brand tires.Told me in another email his cars are usually better than ones on dealers lot. He apparently doing well as I've noticed his cars don't last long on Craigslist. Maybe a week or less on average.

Anyhow, this guy seems to be honest. When I told him I was interested in the car, but it was $500 above Kelley Blue Book, he responded that KBB is a good guide, but they don't sell cars. Explain please??? How's this guy getting much more than what any of you would ever pay? Good cars,.good mileage. Has cars that are in the price range that is in high demand?

henryn

$500 over Kelly Blue Book retail? That is, naturally, not "below market average", that is by definition "$500 above market average". Can he get away with it? Quite possibly, if his cars are nice. Carmax gets away with it, every day. It can be quite difficult to find a nice, clean used car in the$6k $7k $8k range.

jipster

henryn said:

$500 over Kelly Blue Book retail? That is, naturally, not "below market average", that is by definition "$500 above market average". Can he get away with it? Quite possibly, if his cars are nice. Carmax gets away with it, every day. It can be quite difficult to find a nice, clean used car in the$6k $7k $8k range.

No, he is usually around $500 OVER Kelley Blue Book private party. Don't really see where he thinks he's selling under market value...unless he considers himself a retailer.

And generally speaking, Edmunds TMV is usually a thousand of two UNDER KBB.

jipster

This is one of his cars. What do you guys think?

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-washington-2010-mercury-milan/6848837008.html

jipster

The guy must have edited his ad, to bump it up to more recent listings. Craigslist says the car has been on the market 2 days, but I saw it first around 4 or 5 days ago.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

Anyone need furniture?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI7jC57GuZM

3 rooms of furniture? Hmmmm, bathroom, closet and cellar? At least you know this bunch isn’t spending the money on expensive toupees or dental work.

That commercial is still better than from where I just bought a car.

https://youtu.be/UpFQ7F6jmN4

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

jipster said:

Looked at a silver 2011 Mazda 3 at Roadburners favorite dealership...Oxmoor Hyundai. 86k miles. $8,500. Internet.price $7,700. Waste.of time and a bit miffed the sales coordinator brought me in to look at the thing. Front end bumper looked loose. Paint on front bumper was crinkled, like it hit a dog or something. Had some hail damage...or the guy parked too close to a driving range. Craigslist has a good car show up about once a month. Doesn't anyone legitimately sell.private party anymore?? Craigslist, and all others, look to be 95% curbstoners.

Could the dealer at least provide you with a Carfax so you could assess the damage? Did they offer to fix what was wrong? Suprising that a new car dealer would put something like that on their lot. We have some dealers reject our cars for minor scratches or dings so I know they can be picky.

Yes, the dealership had a Carfax. Didn't show any accidents. But, it did have a "Damage" report. Maybe an elephant sat on the car? I really didn't even like the car enough to test drive it, so no repair request was made.

What do you do again, oldfarmer... are you a consultant to auto dealerships?

Yes I am as I know everything....and what I don’t know....I make up.

qbrozen

jipster said:

This is one of his cars. What do you guys think? https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-washington-2010-mercury-milan/6848837008.html

Your assessment is about spot on. $6500 would be fair. He could pick a similar one up at auction for less than $4500.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

This is one of his cars. What do you guys think?

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-washington-2010-mercury-milan/6848837008.html

This is a dealer stating “don’t waste my time”? Interesting strategy. Car seems overpriced for the mileage.

I recently saw a CL private sale of a 2010 Milan locally with 60,000 miles listed for $7,000.

driver100

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Give it to a new start up for the "gig economy". It's called "Under", where you can rent the clothes you aren't wearing at the moment. Then get a job there, get a stock option, and cash in when the company goes IPO, hopefully before it goes out of business.

Rent your clothes? Ewwwwwwwwww!

There are 3 things I never lend...my toothbrush, my underwear, or my car!

So you would lend out your horizontal striped shirt?

Isn't there a time limit....even felons are free after they serve their sentence?

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

Give it to a new start up for the "gig economy". It's called "Under", where you can rent the clothes you aren't wearing at the moment. Then get a job there, get a stock option, and cash in when the company goes IPO, hopefully before it goes out of business.

Rent your clothes? Ewwwwwwwwww!

There are 3 things I never lend...my toothbrush, my underwear, or my car!

So you would lend out your horizontal striped shirt?

He might try but who would want it?

jmonroe

Hey, it's a classic now. Most talked about shirt on Edmunds, I was keeping it as a momento, but I guess I could sell it to the highest bidder. Starting at $20...........taking bids.....