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"comparable" means what I'd choice.
One thing I don't agree with is how they stated you could level the playing field on price with incentives. Rebates on the Escape are only $2000 at best (I'm not sure what they are now) and invoice or X-Plan is only about $1000-$1500 off of the sticker. Those two discounts, which is about the max you can get right now, are not enough to bring the OTD price of a loaded Limited down to that of a loaded CR-V EX. Unless your dealer is willing to lose money on the sale anyway.
I will say it once again. Ask yourself how your purchase has helped the U.S. economy? Have you saved a U.S. job by making this purchase? Have you strengthened our economy? I refuse to send my wealth overseas anylonger. I will buy U.S. made, whether it be Honda/Toyota Ford or someday even Hyundia.
dickey77, "Honda CR-V: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #1347, 23 Dec 2004 9:11 am
My email address is in my profile. Sending me the information you mentioned won't prove a thing though. I can get that info. from my local paper and have called dealers about their ad in the past. They just tell me "Sure come on down and we'll fix you right up for that price". When I show up they play dumb and then say they're sold or tell me there's some huge dealer or advertising fee.
You're argument holds no water.
You have? All you've posted is newspaper ads, which are worthless.
< Anyone who has visited a Honda showroom knows they don't negotiate, much if at all >
Wrong again scape2. You may have some arrogant Honda dealers near you, but over in "Honda CRV proces paid & buying experience" many posters are getting their CRV close to invoice.
So, I went online to my friendly local Mazda dealer and picked up an 05 Tribute S for about 22K (before ttl) that was totally loaded (package 3, leather, 6 disc changer, heated seats, moonroof, etc, and also side airbags. There is no way Honda was going to be able to touch that offer, and the way that two of the three dealers treated me, I was worried about their customer service after purchase.
That said, I looked at the message boards too, and people can get good deals on Honda's. It just was not my experience.
CRV's are more expensive, I will keep showing you....
Thanks!.. Good one though...
Then by all means, take your business elsewhere, which I'm sure you did, as I would have too. I had trouble finding a Toyota salesman who wasn't arrogant like that. When I finally did, I bought a new Highlander AND a new Tacoma from him for close to invoice.
"Sure buddy, we can let you have it at that price." But then when you get to the F&I guy, there's all kinds of add on fees.
Ads with VIN #'s are worthless......
Again I prove you wrong.
Well as it has been shown many times, prices vary by region to region. Some people are good negotiators and some are not. Etc.
So the best way I know to compare prices of goods and/or services is by the published price. That's how I compare refrigerators, DVD players and yes even cars.
The published price of a Ford Escape is higher than a comparably equipped CR-V.
I can walk in to a Honda dealer today and without even negotiating I can buy an '05 CR-V EX Auto for $20800 and an '05 CR-V SE for $21800. And if I want I can get either one for less.
Honda dealers negotiate.
True Market Value
Steve, Host
MSRP is what the manufacturers set their prices at. Why is everyone against using the prices that the manufacturer itself sets? I don't get it.
But how many people really pay MSRP besides Saturn and Scion buyers?
Steve, Host
In fact, exactly the opposite is happening: many Americans abroad refer to themselves as "Canadians" - because of unpopular war in Iraq. Inside US borders, though, they are brave enough to display "support the war" bumper stickers.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&ncid=- 568&e=9&u=/nm/20041227/bs_nm/autos_ford_recall_dc
I think most intelligent people know that car buying is negotiable and would not expect to pay the same price as someone from across the country. And since car prices are negotiable, using anything but "real world values" is worthless.
<< Why is everyone against using the prices that the manufacturer itself sets? I don't get it. >>
Like I said, they're not real prices. Why don't you get it?
tidester, host
There were 2 recalls in December, one for the liftgate, and one for the accelerator cable which may prevent the engine from returning to idle, which could increase stopping distance and result in a crash. That's 2 in one month. It's in the Yahoo article drive62 posted.
<< you put Ford down for being pro-active! >>
I'm not putting Ford down for the recalls. I'll agree they are for minor issues.
Of course there were no posts on the CRV engine fires as this is the wrong forum for that. You'll see my opinion on that issue over in that forum.
Honda dealers negotiate** ...
$21,800.? You didn't print that with a straight face, did you.?
Your right, all dealers will negotiate, Bimmer, Ford, Infiniti, Chevy, Benz, Dodge, etc, etc, especially this time of the year, and some more than others .. but dealers just don't lose $800, $1,500, $2,000 a copy just to push units, now they may have a loss leader in the paper as most do and thats a single unit .. theres a big difference between negotiations and losing money ... So, where dooo you get your figures at .?
Terry
How much do you want to pay? Send me a check and I will purchase the vehicle for you and pocket the difference for my trouble(not trouble really as anyone can buy for those prices).
For you and the other person who constantly doesn't believe that Hondas can be bought for a good price read post 1357. And he or she isn't the only one.
KarenS, "Honda CR-V: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #, 26 Nov 2002 9:40 am
As I guess are prices for refrigerators, or couches or computers.
So why don't you start a movement to eliminate any sort of prices from the manufacturers. Then everyone can pay "real world prices".
No where have I seen the word "voluntary" used on either of these latest Escape recalls.
A recall is government mandated. Ford was not being pro-active.
And there is no double standard. As you are well aware since you constanly post there, there are plenty of discussions about the CR-V and it's problems. And since you refuse to believe it I'll repeat it. The issue with the CR-V has been traced to a defective gasket. A little different than a probable design defect IMHO.
Ummm, the gasket wasn't designed wrong then? Honda chose to use it in their design too making it part of the CR-V design right?
Both of the recent Escape recalls were for outsourced parts too. The throttle cable has a design flaw whereas the hatch parts just aren't up to the most recent spec. From what I understand the latter is only being changed due to a new government requirement just released sometime this year.
The NHTSA only gives what and when but they don't give VIN ranges or specific trim levels. Since the recall only affects about 270,000 copies out of about 900,000 copies sold since 2001 I'm wondering if it only involves XLS I4 models.
Edmunds TMV is based what people actually pay. MSRP can be meaningless when it comes to automotive purchases, so the TMV is far more useful.
I specified the Escape with two options - the Safety Package (side airbags and curtains) and the Power Moonroof - both of which are standard on the CR-V. I also specified the colors for both vehicles as silver, which can have a miniscule effect on the TMV.
The MSRP on the Escape is $26,475 and the TMV is $23208.
The MSRP on the CR-V is $23865 and the TMV is $23059.
The Escape is helped by a $2000 rebate, which drive62 needs to start incorporating when he looks at MSRPs as his guide. A rebate effectively changes the MSRP.
So the Escape is slightly more expensive when comnparably equipped. But it does have a V6, which may significantly raise its value quotient for many buyers.
Keep in mind that the Escape can cost much more than this. There are lots of other options and trim levels. A Limited 4WD can easily go for $25000 or more ~after~ the rebates. So I reject scape2's prices - he doesn't compare apples to apples and dealer ads always have lots of catches that you don't know about until you walk into the showroom and they tell you that the price is only for people who served in Iraq and have recently graduated from college and are trading in a competing vehicle and are returning customers of the dealership...ad nauseum.
I think your a little confused, I am a dealer (read my profile). As a matter of fact, one of the largest Honda dealers in the country is one of my closest friends .. so, tell me the name of the dealer and I will be more than happy to spend my dime and my time and give him a call on all of these new 05 CR-V SE's that he will sell for $21,800 ....
Don't be so naive, people post they got a $9,000 discount off a new E500 Benz or $5,000 off of a new Acura TL, and they were able to get $12,000 on trade for their 75k 01 VW Golf ~~ but that don't make it true ............
Terry.
Oh, I'll get right on it....
Steve, Host