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Good Luck. :shades:
Dealer Invoice Price $39,092 (Price from MSN and Edmunds for a Touring model w/ Nav) not 45K!
Dealer Incentive expires 05/31/2006 - $1,000
Dealer Holdback -$1,326
True Dealer Cost = $36,811
One example of profit made is a post by 'freq'
He paid 37,592 + 615.00 (destination) for a total if 38,202
The dealer made 1396.00 on the deal. Thats a nice profit and hence when people post deals such as 37,000, is likely given end of month/quarter $$. Re: people saying they are getting deals with dealer losing money, show me!.. for I want to know dealers name and get in on a deal
PS. Some colors are priced lower w/ white being an example.
I was told at the time, that no special financing was available. But, when I showed up with my own financing, they were able to do 5.5 APR. This is not an advertised rate and may depend on your particulars.
After the fact, one of the three lower priced dealers contacted me to say he could go lower, but I don't really want to hear how much more I could have saved. I can now recommend Niello, Steven's Creek, or Sunnyvale as neck-to-neck with pricing, but with differing degrees of argument. Los Gatos never made a competitive offer and I had no need to push them.
Thank you all for posting, larryallen in particular. I might not have been so patient otherwise.
Extras are coming in the mail via hondacuraworld.
BTW, this is a nice ride.
Not sure who you are addressing your email to but I will reply. If dealer has large inventory and people aren't buying they have to sell. It's called supply and demand. It's a very basic economic premise. If you missed the first day of Econ 101 you missed that lesson. Maybe they break even or lose a few bucks on an MDX and then make $10,000 on an NSX!? Also, FYI typing in all caps means YOU ARE YELLING and can be construed as rude by some.
Also, are there fees that can be negotiated? A Camry dealership told me there was an advertisement fee that Toyota charges that can't be negotiated. Some dealerships charge it and others don't. That makes no sense to me. Why isn't it in the price of the car? And if it's what the dealership is charging - I say too bad. That's all part of the costs of doing business.
Since most of you who read this do your car shopping online and don't come in contact with your "Salesperson until after the deal is done, your conscience isn't bothered by the fact that he(or she) spent about 5 hours putting the deal together, securing your new vehicle and making sure all the prep is done, because of your crafty(haha) negotiating, your "Wonderful" salesperson has made about $5 an hour for doing his "Job" So Thanks to all of you for "Looking for the BEST DEAL". P.S. Did you get a good deal on that computer your using today? Did you know there's an average of 200% mark-up on those little beauties. Have a Nice Day <:-(
believe it or not, but you are not buying a service like a doctor etc. you are buying a product. do some people buy overpriced items at a specific location because they like the environment or the workers? sure they do! But you are buying a product where you will never see or really deal with the sales person until you buy a car again (same brand and hope that the same salesman is still working there). Since you are so caring of others, I will decide to go buy my new MDX tonight from the nicest salesman and dealer, I expect you to send me the money difference that I would be "paying" to my address. let me know when you have your checkbook and your pen ready!!!!
back to more important stuff instead of chatting about this idiotic conversation, what are the latest numbers people are receiving? I am still in the hunt for mdx/touring/nav in northeast area.
sluri
Hopefully you will gain a little understanding of the car business and make your buying experience a little easier.
I have been in the business for 11 years, 10 at the same dealership. I am still in contact with the first people I ever sold back in 1995.
To you sluri- I would like to point out I don't sell just a product. I sell my services as well. I have sold cars to people all over the country, including alaska, one in Pakistan, and another to someone in Italy. Everyone of my (well over 1000) clients know my home phone number and my cell. I have been to their homes and a few to mine. They all know that if they have the slightest issue or problem with the car I sold them, they can call me 24-7. A perfect example is a mother of a young lady I sold a car to who had moved out of state, called me about a problem her daughter was having. I was no longer at the dealership she bought it from, 500 miles away and 4 years later. I called who I needed to, she was taken care of within 24 hours. She has bought her 2nd car and her parents their 3rd from me. Am I selling a service or a product? My 5 years of college tell me both.
Again, I am not trying to be antagonistic. I am trying to give you a little advice from the other side of the issue. You need to develop a relationship with the salesperson who is going to sell you the car. If you do, the buying experience can be pleasant and fun. It doesn't have to be a trip to the dentist. If you focus on the price only, your forgetting the relationship element.
Why would I send you the difference between sticker and what you want to pay for the car? That would show a serious lack of intelligence on my part. However for that difference you pay, I can guarantee you that your salesperson would be there if you had a problem or an issue with the car, quickly and every time. Any Good, Professional Salesperson would. He wouldn't go run and hide in the shop, or go to lunch if he saw you drive in. I am almost sorry to say, the truth is, the amount of profit you pay will determine the amount of customer service you will receive from your sales consultant after the sale. Again, I am not saying go nuts and pay $10000.00 profit. I am saying pay "A fair Profit"!
Every online car buying service states that 3 to 8 percent is a fair profit. More if it is a high demand or rare car. The salesperson will always want to be towards the 8% mark. Hold back should not be figured into the equation. The Hold back is for flooring to cover the loan interest and insurance on the cars in inventory. That isn't profit. At the end of every quarter the owner cuts a check to the bank to pay for the loan and insurance on all the inventory on the lot. That is what the holdback is for. The salespeople don't get paid on it. It is not considered profit, no matter what your bank, best friend or someone on a message board tells you. I and every salesperson out there would be very happy if it was payable profit.
Oh and by the way, a few years ago I was accepted to one of the best law schools in the country. A friend of mine who had just made partner at a local firm talked me out of going. Why? I am making as much money as he is and I didn't have the student loans to pay back. Don't judge me by the last salesperson you dealt with and I won't judge you by the last customer I had. Sound fair?
Go ahead... don't be shy.. If you got it below cost, we won't complain..
Thanks!
kyfdx
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P.S. It reminds me of a lady in my office who bought a Lexus and the dealer sent her a dozen roses. She was impressed. I said to a friend, "if a dealer sent me a dozen roses I know I paid too much for the car." A dozen roses from a car dealer doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. Not sure about you!?
I believe the $1,000 is a factory to dealer incentive and shows up on the Acura website if I remember!? Based on the large quantity of MDX's on dealer lots, new model coming out, SUV's being out of favor with gas prices, etc... you should have no problem getting a great deal. I have found the phone easier as then you don't waste your time or the salesperson's time. The less of their time they waste maybe you can get their hourly rate up to $6 per hour!? Good luck.
I'm not sure I'm using the right term, but does AHFC offer balloon note financing? It's like a lease, but the car is in your name and there is no Acq fee.
I did this on my current Mazda 6 and couldn't be happier. If they do offer it, do you know the resd and % rates?
Also, what are the current lease rates (MF & Res) on the MDX Premium 3 yr lease 10k miles per year?
Thanks!
Of course, no idea what the rates would be...
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Any insights or experiences. I really dont want the hassle of selling it privately
When we reached there the sales person forwarded me to another sales person with a note that she is more experienced in this handling. We had suspected right away in his fishy motive of passing the responsibility to others, so that they can easily refuse on phone talk.
Then started the most horrific moments of refusing on pricing and THE Actual sales person never showed up to face us. Start from their manager to General manager..every single one came one after another and started to dodge their own fishy way to prove us wrong. It was most horrible experience ever dealing with a dealership OF LUXURY CARS.THE WORST PART WAS ALL THESE MANAGERS AND GENERAL MANAGER ACCEPTED THAT THEY WERE PART OF THIS DEAL AS A SILENT LISTENER WHILE I WAS CONFIRMING THIS DEAL ON PHONE. BUT UNFORTUNATELY NONE OF THIS GENTLEMAN TRIED TO CORRECT THEIR SALESMAN IN PRICING. THEY REFUSED TO SALE THE ACURA ON THE PRICE THE SALES PERSON AGREED ON AND ASKED ME TO COME OVER TO PICK UP. IT WAS A HEIGHT OF SHAMELESS BEHAVIOR BY THESE MANAGER TO PROVE ME WRONG ON PRICING. HOW MUCH A DEALERSHIP CAN GO DOWN IN THEIR CREDIBILITY, WE HAVE SEEN THAT. THEY JUST WENT ON ..AND ON WITH ONE BY ONE BIG LIES TO ANOTHER TO PROVE ME WRONG ON PRICING AND GIVE ANOTHER $1000.00 MORE.
We finally deided instead of wasting time with these liars better save our valuable time with others.
Next Day morning I called to AUTOWEST ACURA, spend a few minutes on my model no for ACURA TOURING MODEL W/RES DVD AND NAVIGATION and the other features.. agreed on 38,559 PRICE. Went there had a wonderful customer service by sales man Woody with a great humor, entertainer and friendly approach. Half an hour took us for the MDX color we wanted to and finished the deal by afternoon. This is how a ACURA MDX owner expect to be treated by a dealership with dignity.
LESSON LEARNED- NEVER CONFIRM ANY AUTODEAL ON PHONE,AND ALWAYS CONFIRMED YOUR confirmmed PRICE WITH EMAIL AS A PROOF TO REVEAL THESE CHEAP LIARS MOTIVE OF DEALERS LIKE PLEASANTAN Acura.
I'm sure selling cras/trucks is a tough business. I can appreciate you setting up a relationship with your customers. That's why you've been in the business so long.
But, just as the market dictates what most pay for a vehicle, it also dictates what you can sell a vehicle for.
As my dearly missed Father always said...."it's not how much you ask for a car, it's how much anyone is willing to pay, to make a deal".
While not an MDX, I did buy a TL several months ago. I paid $33K + tax for one with automatic and navi. That's right near invoice. And, I suspect TLs are more in demand than MDXs are. No grinding. Just made my offer and it was accepted.....no muss, no fuss.
I always enjoy hearing from the other side in these pricing scenarios. I do think both sides need to look at the market they are in when buying a vehicle, though.
MDX w/touring, nav and DVD around $38.5K
I can tell you that my experience with another dealer in the south bay was not the same level..after having to fill out all the paper work myself for my trade-in they came back with a higher price for the MDX that we originally agreed on and a lower price for my trade-in. They had the audacity to complain that Autowest was undercutting the small dealers. However, if the customer service level was on par or better then Autowest I would have considered it, but the dealership treated me with absolutely no respect during the process including making some questionable comments (I'm not even going to get into what the salesrep said).
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/05/02/005417.html
I'm hoping that in 2006 the same holds true.
There are many dealers between Boston and Providence with car lots filled with MDXs. I'm sure I will be able to negotiate a deal into some if not all of the holdback.