Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

breld said:

You should try getting in and out of the Supra. My wife whacks her head each time.

I can avoid hitting my head. Just can be a pain (especially if the bad back is acting up) to hoist up and out, and dropping into it. And the TLX is higher than a lot of other sedans these days.

tifighter

breld said:

You should try getting in and out of the Supra. My wife whacks her head each time.

The Z4 is the same.

I'm still waiting for one of us to come around on the Murano CrossCab. Or that Evoque Cab.

stickguy

Don't tempt me. I once considered a PT cruiser convertible. Thankfully not very seriously.

I still would like a Rabbit convertible though. Complete with the convenient carry handle. Would just have to swap on some GTI bits, and of course, make sure it was a good color combo. I actually saw one recently in dark blue with that style wheel, and it looked sharp.

A Murano, I don't think I could ever do that. And my wife would probably have words about it!

pensfan83

qbrozen said:

Man, motorbike shopping is hard. Now maybe I understand a bit better when people who know nothing about cars start their research. And those are far far more complicated and varied.

How's your leg doing? Will it restrict you in any way with the bike?

breld

Speaking of the Supra, here are some of my thoughts after 2 months and about 2k miles...

• LOVE the balanced nature of it - it can clearly perform like a legitimate sports car but it's also very easy to sit back and enjoy the very compliant (IMO) ride on a day to day basis. No issues with legroom and comfort. And I've used it for Costco trips and taking a kid to baseball with their gear - the hatchback is quite useful. It's not gonna replace my V90 for utility, but there are a lot of trips for which I would have needed to leave the Miata behind but the Supra is just fine.
  
• I've never had a car with such a "playful" rear end. For example, turning onto an on-ramp the other day, I pushed it just a bit and that tail swung out every so slightly. I'm starting to get a feel for it and realize it comes back in line quickly.
  
• The sound of the engine is incredible. Even in "normal" mode it has such a pleasing tone to it. In Sport mode it growls in a fun way. The crackles and pops are a bit over the top, but that's fun too. It's pretty aggressive in downshifting while slowing down, and that's when you get some fun noises.
  
• I'm not a particularly aggressive driver - so given my casual commute, I have to admit much of the performance of the Supra may be wasted on me. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy it, but I think I'm more in the "driving a slow car fast" camp.
  
• The transmission is impressive - it's quick and seems to predict your actions eerily well. I am embracing it more and more each day and learning how fun it can be to drive a car with this kind of performance and an auto.
  

breld

Couple pics with the window tint and carbon fiber mirror caps I added.

roadburner

graphicguy said:

Toyotas are purposely made for people who don’t know much about car maintenance or repairs.

Just do the service that’s called for on their maintenance schedule, and all should be well for at least 125K miles.

That’s what I’m going to recommend.

stickguy

starting to look a little batmobile-ish.

[Deleted User]

Very sharp @breld, is that frost on the driveway???

roadburner

stickguy said:

Once a car is sold as CPO, that stays with the car? So if I bought a resale that was sold last year CPO, so still qualified by time/miles, do I just go to BMW (or whatever the brand is) and switch it over? Or would the service department see that when they pulled up the VIN?

just asking because I have seen some where it is noted as CPO on the carfax, even though not at the same brand dealer.

Yes, a dealer should be able to assist with a transfer as well as getting Connected Drive set up if needed(an ESA if I recall correctly).

corvette

One of my friends got the hard sell for an extended warranty on a new Camry. She told them that if they were telling her the car was so unreliable she NEEDED an extended warranty, she would walk out and buy something else.

mjfloyd1

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

Once a car is sold as CPO, that stays with the car? So if I bought a resale that was sold last year CPO, so still qualified by time/miles, do I just go to BMW (or whatever the brand is) and switch it over? Or would the service department see that when they pulled up the VIN?

just asking because I have seen some where it is noted as CPO on the carfax, even though not at the same brand dealer.

Yes, a dealer should be able to assist with a transfer as well as getting Connected Drive set up if needed(an ESA if I recall correctly).

BMW CPO is only transferable from private party to private party. It specifically states that dealer participation is excluded.

https://cpo.bmwusa.com/Content/docs/BMWCPOLimitedWarrantyTransferApplication.pdf

oldfarmer50

blockquote class="Quote" rel="nyccarguy">I always find the sheer amount of leftovers on a lot incredible. The VW dealer here in Stamford has (3) 2019 GTI SE with 6-Speed sticks on their lot. They all have sticker prices in the $33 - $34K range. The Genesis dealer has (10) 2019 G70 on the lot. How much longer are they going to hold on to these cars?

Maybe until they turn in classics and start going up in value.

oldfarmer50

Sandman6472 said:

Leasing might just be the answer then. My mileage/year has finally gone down from that ridiculous 13K/year, will be lucky if I even do 5K since I no longer drive far. Leasing would also keep me always under warranty as I just don't want any drama. We've just never had the opportunity to even think about it until now.
But yes, problematic is not where I want to go so probably best to stay with something like a Toyota or Hyundai. Get the high mileage and the reliability so there will be no drama. And still get my XM though I'd be willing to give up a sun/moon roof going forward. Really leaves a few to look at.

If Toyota is half as reliable as they say wouldn’t it be better to buy rather than lease? How long are you planning on keeping it? A Toyota away from the rust belt should last forever.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

breld said:

graphicguy said:

28firefighter said:

ronsteve said:

I don't see anything on the Carfax, so what would possibly be wrong with this one to get to that price?!
https://www.bigmchevy.com/used-Radcliff-2017-INFINITI-QX50-Base-JN1BJ0RR9HM407961

And no, I haven't actually looked at one to see if the cargo footprint will work for me. Yet.

I think you vastly overestimate the desirability of these cars. If the space works for you and you don't mine the somewhat antiquated tech in it (this doesn't even have Nav and therefore makes it even older), they are great values and a hoot to drive. My friend's G37x has the same interior layout and is 7 years older...

I can't for the life of me understand how Infiniti could "whiff" so badly on their current lineup of vehicles, when the previous generation was so good.

Agreed. I sometimes wonder how they're still in business.

They may not be in business much longer; I keep hearing Nissan is in serious financial trouble. The ONLY new Nissans that I'd consider owning are the 370Z and the Frontier. You'd have to threaten me with an excruciatingly painful death to make me even think about buying a new Infiniti- and even then I might find the dirt nap a more palatable alternative.

I drove an Altima today for a few hundred miles. Rode nice and the NAV system was easy enough for even me to use. Liked the blind spot monitor but some of the other nannies I could do without. Would I own one? Probably not. I just can’t get past that CVT. I assume they’ve improved it but I can’t be sure. Never drove the 370z but the Frontier is good for a truck.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:

So, at the risk of asking a stupid question @roadburner... if this is a garden variety RAV4, why does it need an extended warranty? Has it been problematic?

My son said he knows next to nothing about cars and I’m thinking that the dealer gave him the full court press about how he needs it to avoid expensive repairs.

Why not just put aside $100/mo in a dedicated account? By the time something serious breaks he’ll have $5000+. It does sound like the hard sell unless he got a rare lemon and has already had problems.

oldfarmer50

breld said:

Couple pics with the window tint and carbon fiber mirror caps I added.

Very nice. I like those wheels.

cdnpinhead

corvette said:

She told them that if they were telling her the car was so unreliable she NEEDED an extended warranty, she would walk out and buy something else.

Yeah, but did she? I'm guessing not.

corvette

IIRC, she bought the car without the warranty.

breld

dad23 said:

Very sharp @breld, is that frost on the driveway???

Oh no - it was just right after a wash. 😀

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

Once a car is sold as CPO, that stays with the car? So if I bought a resale that was sold last year CPO, so still qualified by time/miles, do I just go to BMW (or whatever the brand is) and switch it over? Or would the service department see that when they pulled up the VIN?

just asking because I have seen some where it is noted as CPO on the carfax, even though not at the same brand dealer.

Yes, a dealer should be able to assist with a transfer as well as getting Connected Drive set up if needed(an ESA if I recall correctly).

BMW CPO is only transferable from private party to private party. It specifically states that dealer participation is excluded.

https://cpo.bmwusa.com/Content/docs/BMWCPOLimitedWarrantyTransferApplication.pdf

Where did I say that the dealer would participate? I said that the dealer could assist- by providing the information on how to transfer the warranty. We did it all the time at my BMW dealer.

stickguy

reading that form, looks like buying from a generic used car dealer would wipe out that option, since it has to be from a private seller, with a signed and notarized affidavit. And they charge you $200.

I suppose a BMW could fudge paperwork, but not sure why they possibly would.

not sure why it is such a big deal. They charged originally to extend the warranty (the CPO premium) so that logically should just stay with the car.

qbrozen

pensfan83 said:

qbrozen said:

Man, motorbike shopping is hard. Now maybe I understand a bit better when people who know nothing about cars start their research. And those are far far more complicated and varied.

How's your leg doing? Will it restrict you in any way with the bike?

It is pretty good, thanks for asking. Still popping and creaking, and it can ache a little after too much strain, but I haven’t had to touch ice or a brace in about a month.

As of this moment, I’m fairly fixated on Royal Enfield bikes. Specifically, a C5. Something like this. https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2012-Royal-Enfield-CLASSIC-500-5013526284

Over my budget, but I see that 2011s are only $500 less than 2016s. So it is appealing to own one for 5 yrs for potentially only $500.

akangl

Help me out guys! I *think* I've narrowed it down between a 2020 JGC Limited X V8 and a 2020 Ford Explorer ST. The JGC doesn't have cooled seats which is an option I'm used to having so that's rather annoying. The JGC TH has the heated and cooled seats but the seats in it hurt my back so that's out. Seriously tired of car shopping. Almost pulled the trigger on the ST tonight but decided to sleep on it.

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

breld said:

graphicguy said:

28firefighter said:

ronsteve said:

I don't see anything on the Carfax, so what would possibly be wrong with this one to get to that price?!
https://www.bigmchevy.com/used-Radcliff-2017-INFINITI-QX50-Base-JN1BJ0RR9HM407961

And no, I haven't actually looked at one to see if the cargo footprint will work for me. Yet.

I think you vastly overestimate the desirability of these cars. If the space works for you and you don't mine the somewhat antiquated tech in it (this doesn't even have Nav and therefore makes it even older), they are great values and a hoot to drive. My friend's G37x has the same interior layout and is 7 years older...

I can't for the life of me understand how Infiniti could "whiff" so badly on their current lineup of vehicles, when the previous generation was so good.

Agreed. I sometimes wonder how they're still in business.

They may not be in business much longer; I keep hearing Nissan is in serious financial trouble. The ONLY new Nissans that I'd consider owning are the 370Z and the Frontier. You'd have to threaten me with an excruciatingly painful death to make me even think about buying a new Infiniti- and even then I might find the dirt nap a more palatable alternative.

I drove an Altima today for a few hundred miles. Rode nice and the NAV system was easy enough for even me to use. Liked the blind spot monitor but some of the other nannies I could do without. Would I own one? Probably not. I just can’t get past that CVT. I assume they’ve improved it but I can’t be sure. Never drove the 370z but the Frontier is good for a truck.

Hardly notice the CVT in my CPO 2020 Accord. Accelerates just as well as an automatic, minus the shift points.

On extended warranties I bought the 9 year/150,000 miles for $1,600...negotiated from $1,900. Warranty is transferable. Yes, it's a Honda and should be reliable, but with the turbo engine and CVT transmission being fairly new for the Accord, thought it would be a good idea.

mjfloyd1

roadburner said:

mjfloyd1 said:

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

Once a car is sold as CPO, that stays with the car? So if I bought a resale that was sold last year CPO, so still qualified by time/miles, do I just go to BMW (or whatever the brand is) and switch it over? Or would the service department see that when they pulled

roadburner said:

mjfloyd1 said:

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

Once a car is sold as CPO, that stays with the car? So if I bought a resale that was sold last year CPO, so still qualified by time/miles, do I just go to BMW (or whatever the brand is) and switch it over? Or would the service department see that when they pulled up the VIN?

just asking because I have seen some where it is noted as CPO on the carfax, even though not at the same brand dealer.

Yes, a dealer should be able to assist with a transfer as well as getting Connected Drive set up if needed(an ESA if I recall correctly).

BMW CPO is only transferable from private party to private party. It specifically states that dealer participation is excluded.

https://cpo.bmwusa.com/Content/docs/BMWCPOLimitedWarrantyTransferApplication.pdf

Where did I say that the dealer would participate? I said that the dealer could assist- by providing the information on how to transfer the warranty. We did it all the time at my BMW dealer.

I believe it means that the prior CPO Is lost if the car is not sold private party to private party.

A reselling BMW dealer would have to re certify it to keep the CPO.

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

breld said:

graphicguy said:

28firefighter said:

ronsteve said:

I don't see anything on the Carfax, so what would possibly be wrong with this one to get to that price?!
https://www.bigmchevy.com/used-Radcliff-2017-INFINITI-QX50-Base-JN1BJ0RR9HM407961

And no, I haven't actually looked at one to see if the cargo footprint will work for me. Yet.

I think you vastly overestimate the desirability of these cars. If the space works for you and you don't mine the somewhat antiquated tech in it (this doesn't even have Nav and therefore makes it even older), they are great values and a hoot to drive. My friend's G37x has the same interior layout and is 7 years older...

I can't for the life of me understand how Infiniti could "whiff" so badly on their current lineup of vehicles, when the previous generation was so good.

Agreed. I sometimes wonder how they're still in business.

They may not be in business much longer; I keep hearing Nissan is in serious financial trouble. The ONLY new Nissans that I'd consider owning are the 370Z and the Frontier. You'd have to threaten me with an excruciatingly painful death to make me even think about buying a new Infiniti- and even then I might find the dirt nap a more palatable alternative.

I drove an Altima today for a few hundred miles. Rode nice and the NAV system was easy enough for even me to use. Liked the blind spot monitor but some of the other nannies I could do without. Would I own one? Probably not. I just can’t get past that CVT. I assume they’ve improved it but I can’t be sure. Never drove the 370z but the Frontier is good for a truck.

Hardly notice the CVT in my CPO 2020 Accord. Accelerates just as well as an automatic, minus the shift points.

On extended warranties I bought the 9 year/150,000 miles for $1,600...negotiated from $1,900. Warranty is transferable. Yes, it's a Honda and should be reliable, but with the turbo engine and CVT transmission being fairly new for the Accord, thought it would be a good idea.

Honda’s CVT isn’t noted for the failure rate of Nissan’s. Honestly, the shifting isn’t what would concern me. If I were to buy a Nissan, an extended drivetrain warranty would be mandatory.

But then again, maybe they’ve fixed it by now.

oldfarmer50

akangl said:

Help me out guys! I *think* I've narrowed it down between a 2020 JGC Limited X V8 and a 2020 Ford Explorer ST. The JGC doesn't have cooled seats which is an option I'm used to having so that's rather annoying. The JGC TH has the heated and cooled seats but the seats in it hurt my back so that's out. Seriously tired of car shopping. Almost pulled the trigger on the ST tonight but decided to sleep on it.

That Explorer ST sounds pretty cool. How can you go wrong with 400hp? Looks nice too. Make sure the 3.0L twin turbo doesn’t have the internal water pump design. (I don’t think so) and research the 10 speed GM/Ford auto transmission to see if that worries you.

I don’t know enough about the Jeep to give any advice on potential weak points.

stickguy

Explorer is definitely a barge. And 2 days ago you said the Jeep V6 was fine and no need for the 8!

graphicguy

akangl said:

Help me out guys! I *think* I've narrowed it down between a 2020 JGC Limited X V8 and a 2020 Ford Explorer ST. The JGC doesn't have cooled seats which is an option I'm used to having so that's rather annoying. The JGC TH has the heated and cooled seats but the seats in it hurt my back so that's out. Seriously tired of car shopping. Almost pulled the trigger on the ST tonight but decided to sleep on it.

@akangl.....I test drove an Explorer ST last January. They had just been released. They are a hoot for an SUV. I liked it.

Jeep GCs....I can’t even remember the last time I drove one, but it’s been a good long while.

All I can say, if you’re uncomfortable in the JGC now, it ain’t going to get any better. Eventually, you’ll hate it because it is uncomfortable.

kyfdx

New member needs advice:
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/62614/ford/explorer/first-car-question#latest

qbrozen

akangl said:

Help me out guys! I *think* I've narrowed it down between a 2020 JGC Limited X V8 and a 2020 Ford Explorer ST. The JGC doesn't have cooled seats which is an option I'm used to having so that's rather annoying. The JGC TH has the heated and cooled seats but the seats in it hurt my back so that's out. Seriously tired of car shopping. Almost pulled the trigger on the ST tonight but decided to sleep on it.

If you want cooled seats, you want cooled seats. I mean, you live in ALASKA, so I’m not sure how relevant they really are. Lol.

I personally wouldn’t pay the upgrade for the v8 in the JGC. In the current configurations, there isn’t enough jump in power to make it worthwhile.

If you can afford the ST, I say go for it.

ronsteve

oldfarmer50 said:

Sandman6472 said:

Leasing might just be the answer then. My mileage/year has finally gone down from that ridiculous 13K/year, will be lucky if I even do 5K since I no longer drive far. Leasing would also keep me always under warranty as I just don't want any drama. We've just never had the opportunity to even think about it until now.
But yes, problematic is not where I want to go so probably best to stay with something like a Toyota or Hyundai. Get the high mileage and the reliability so there will be no drama. And still get my XM though I'd be willing to give up a sun/moon roof going forward. Really leaves a few to look at.

If Toyota is half as reliable as they say wouldn’t it be better to buy rather than lease? How long are you planning on keeping it? A Toyota away from the rust belt should last forever.

Or if you DO lease it should be dirt cheap, given the resale prices they command. But the flipside of that is if they lease too many, that would weaken the resale market with too much supply.

Some used Toyotas (4Runner especially) pull silly money!

mjfloyd1

roadburner said:

mjfloyd1 said:

roadburner said:

stickguy said:

Once a car is sold as CPO, that stays with the car? So if I bought a resale that was sold last year CPO, so still qualified by time/miles, do I just go to BMW (or whatever the brand is) and switch it over? Or would the service department see that when they pulled up the VIN?

just asking because I have seen some where it is noted as CPO on the carfax, even though not at the same brand dealer.

Yes, a dealer should be able to assist with a transfer as well as getting Connected Drive set up if needed(an ESA if I recall correctly).

BMW CPO is only transferable from private party to private party. It specifically states that dealer participation is excluded.

https://cpo.bmwusa.com/Content/docs/BMWCPOLimitedWarrantyTransferApplication.pdf

Where did I say that the dealer would participate? I said that the dealer could assist- by providing the information on how to transfer the warranty. We did it all the time at my BMW dealer.

I believe that BMW is saying that a BMW dealer must re certify the Prior CPO’d BMW to resell it as CPO. I assume that is what they mean by “participate”.

I do wonder if a prior CPO sold by a non BMW dealer would sneak through and keep the CPO coverage.

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

I believe that BMW is saying that a BMW dealer must re certify the Prior CPO’d BMW to resell it as CPO. I assume that is what they mean by “participate”.

I do wonder if a prior CPO sold by a non BMW dealer would sneak through and keep the CPO coverage.

Some years ago I was looking at an E92 335is at a Toyota dealer. The Carfax showed that it was a CPO. I called my SA at BNW and he confirmed that it was a CPO and that it would be recognized as such when I brought it in for service.

28firefighter

roadburner said:

mjfloyd1 said:

I believe that BMW is saying that a BMW dealer must re certify the Prior CPO’d BMW to resell it as CPO. I assume that is what they mean by “participate”.

I do wonder if a prior CPO sold by a non BMW dealer would sneak through and keep the CPO coverage.

Some years ago I was looking at an E92 335is at a Toyota dealer. The Carfax showed that it was a CPO. I called my SA at BNW and he confirmed that it was a CPO and that it would be recognized as such when I brought it in for service.

I have heard (anecdotes only) that in these cases, the SA at the dealer is now supposed to compare the name on the CPO as registered and the name of the customer bringing it in. If it doesn't match and no transfer paperwork was filed by the prior owner to the new owner, then the CPO is invalid. Who knows if anyone actually does that work though...

ab348

akangl said:

Help me out guys! I *think* I've narrowed it down between a 2020 JGC Limited X V8 and a 2020 Ford Explorer ST. The JGC doesn't have cooled seats which is an option I'm used to having so that's rather annoying. The JGC TH has the heated and cooled seats but the seats in it hurt my back so that's out. Seriously tired of car shopping. Almost pulled the trigger on the ST tonight but decided to sleep on it.

Well, I am uncertain about some Fords, especially first-year models, and the Explorer had terrible problems with build and component quality at launch. But you're comparing it to a FCA product (although maybe the best that they make) so it is likely a wash in that respect. I saw a couple of Explorer ST models locally and must admit they are impressive. For me the worst of them is that they all seem to have a dismal coal-mine black interior. But if you like it, like the deal, and the dealer, I say go for it. I know how important cooled seats must be in Alaska. :laughing:

corvette

28firefighter said:

roadburner said:

mjfloyd1 said:

I believe that BMW is saying that a BMW dealer must re certify the Prior CPO’d BMW to resell it as CPO. I assume that is what they mean by “participate”.

I do wonder if a prior CPO sold by a non BMW dealer would sneak through and keep the CPO coverage.

Some years ago I was looking at an E92 335is at a Toyota dealer. The Carfax showed that it was a CPO. I called my SA at BNW and he confirmed that it was a CPO and that it would be recognized as such when I brought it in for service.

I have heard (anecdotes only) that in these cases, the SA at the dealer is now supposed to compare the name on the CPO as registered and the name of the customer bringing it in. If it doesn't match and no transfer paperwork was filed by the prior owner to the new owner, then the CPO is invalid. Who knows if anyone actually does that work though...

So, they’re basically following the Tesla model of reducing amenities for subsequent owners?

28firefighter

Only for CPO warranty, but yes. Supposedly.

tifighter

If your Tesla had autopilot listed on the monroney, it transfers to the next owner. There was a well-publicized instance (because everything Tesla gets publicized) where a dealer bought a Model S at auction that had functioning autopilot. But it wasn't sold with it; somehow it must have been flipped on during a service or something. It was never paid for. Tesla turned it off, and the media got a hold of it. People freaked. Eventually, Tesla turned it back on for goodwill. But now everyone says Tesla nixes all features for the next owner. So, PR mistake on Tesla for waiting too long to address the story. As for everyone else, make sure the features you want are listed on the sticker. If the seller says they added autopilot etc later, I'd want a copy of the receipt to verify.

xwesx

akangl said:

Its not too bad to drive, it has rear parking sensors and a back up camera. Right now I can't get in it very easily lol. It drives really nice and pulls our RV effortlessly. Hubby is very possessive of it, its HIS truck!

He clearly does not feel the same way as you regarding exterior color choices, though. That's a whole lot of black!

xwesx

Sandman6472 said:

Love that Mini Breld, congrats. Really need to test drive one soon as I do like them. The wife said it's too small when I showed her one a few weeks ago but still like the size. We've got a few at Enterprise and even had to move one last week but another driver who's a bit nasty got in it even though I had told my lead I'd really like to drive it. He said sure but the other driver refused to get out & give me the keys, just said "too bad" and closed the door on me! I was a bit shocked by it all but hey, some folks are jerks!
On something like that, a lease might not be a bad idea really. Since my yearly mileage has really decreased by about 2/3 or more, could easily do a 10K/year lease. But a lease could work for me, just would need to change my mind set a bit as I'd have to remember I don't own it. If I do get serious and go in that direction, would appreciate any help you & Michael could give me as we've never leased before. Think I'd rather wait for a 2021 model at this point though. Just wish my wife could be a bit more like yours when it comes to cars and such. She knows it's my one real passion in life, well #2 after our kids. Think she'd be happier to see me in a Countryman though as it's a bit longer. But hell, she'd never drive it, she drove the Tucson once after I made her try it. She's never driven the Golf as I recall since her A3 is so similar, feels it ain't necessary.

For the way you and your wife use your vehicles, it is not too small. And, you could go with a Clubman if she really wants four doors for those few occasions you use them.

qbrozen

stickguy

Looks like something from an Indiana Jones movie.

Shipping? Wimp. Go get it and ride home!

akangl

stickguy said:

Explorer is definitely a barge. And 2 days ago you said the Jeep V6 was fine and no need for the 8!

Dealers seem to be only getting the V8s lately so kinda stuck there unless I want to wait months. The Explorer handles nice but the price is killing me.

akangl

ab348 said:

akangl said:

Help me out guys! I *think* I've narrowed it down between a 2020 JGC Limited X V8 and a 2020 Ford Explorer ST. The JGC doesn't have cooled seats which is an option I'm used to having so that's rather annoying. The JGC TH has the heated and cooled seats but the seats in it hurt my back so that's out. Seriously tired of car shopping. Almost pulled the trigger on the ST tonight but decided to sleep on it.

Well, I am uncertain about some Fords, especially first-year models, and the Explorer had terrible problems with build and component quality at launch. But you're comparing it to a FCA product (although maybe the best that they make) so it is likely a wash in that respect. I saw a couple of Explorer ST models locally and must admit they are impressive. For me the worst of them is that they all seem to have a dismal coal-mine black interior. But if you like it, like the deal, and the dealer, I say go for it. I know how important cooled seats must be in Alaska. :laughing:

Believe it or not it gets hot here, last summer we hit record highs in the 90s and with black seats it was torture. We are closer to the sun so 90 here is ridiculously hot. My last 2 cars had cooled seats and it was nice because I always go for black interiors.

akangl

Got the letter today that the Jeep is official totaled, offer is $27,329.50 which is strong and well over Nada clean retail. Even though we haven't accepted anything yet they already put her up on the auction block, so for your viewing pleasure:

https://www.copart.com/lot/45959810/2017-jeep-cherokee-trailhawk-ak-anchorage

explorerx4

I think the insurance payout includes sales tax.

akangl

explorerx4 said:

I think the insurance payout includes sales tax.

Yup, sales tax is $12.50 lol

stickguy

Take it and run.