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On the lease worksheet I noticed the dealer wrote $40,888.04 as "vehicle cost" but I was able to take a pic of the Vehicle Invoice sheet sent from American Honda Motor Co. Says the dealer invoice was $39,773.87. ie $1,114.17 lower than what the dealer put on the lease worksheet. Do I go after this????
RE other fees
Dealer is charging $316.50 for Motor Vehicle. But on the NJ DMV site it says the cost is only $84 for new title and reg (> 3,500 lbs). Link below
Doc Fees dealer wants $599. NJ has no cap on doc fees but the average from autocheatsheet.com says the state average (NJ) is $335. NOTE, NY doc fees are capped at $75. I can get to NY in 20 minutes
Is $595 acquisition negotiable? What are most people stepping into 2018 TLC leases paying for acquisition? My zip is 08873 NJ
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http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/vehicles/regfees.htm
https://www.autocheatsheet.com/new-car/what-new-car-dealer-fees-should-you-pay.html#dealer-fee-chart
NJ DMV: On a lease, NJ collects three years upfront, I think.
Dealer fees: As you note, unregulated. I always consider them a part of the selling price. If selling price + dealer fees = my target price, then I don't care how they break it down. So, if you go to NY, it's price + $75. If that price isn't better than NJ price + $599, then it doesn't matter (though, I agree that high dealer fees are stupid)
$298 aftermarket: If they added the $298 and the $599 after you had already negotiated a purchase price, then maybe you've got a beef. But, if this is just the offer, then don't worry about how they break it down.
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DMV: $316.50
Doc Fees: $599
Aftermarkets: $298
Acquisition: $595
Also curious what others have paid for these fees.
RE dealer cost. I know regardless of whether we go with the $40,888 on the lease worksheet or the $39,773 on the American Honda Vehicle Invoice sheet the dealer is "losing" money at a lease sale price of $33,625. The $40,888 just makes it sound like he is "losing" a grand more than he really is. Not sure if that sits well with me lol
Trust me, the dealer is making money, somewhere, on this deal. They wouldn't have offered it if they weren't, despite what you've been told.
Fees - as noted, doc fee is pretty high, but my co-host explained the big picture. Acquisition fee is imposed by the bank, and is not negotiable. DMV costs are from the state.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
2018 Acura TLX 2.4 with Tech Package
MSRP: $37,650
Selling Price: $29,473 (incl rebates)
Tax: $1,768.38 (6% on the full sales price in MD - killer!)
Fees: $1,530 ($975 freight, $300 document, $255 tags and registration)
Total cap cost: $32,771.38
Months: 36
Annual Mileage: 10,000
MF: 0.00054
Residual: 52%
Total Due At Signing: $3,500 (Tax, Fees, 1st month payment)
Monthly Payment: $336 and change
Zip Code: 20852 (Maryland)
Sales Tax Rate: 6% (on full sale price)
A couple questions:
$336 with $3,500 out of pocket feels a bit high. Any feedback would be much appreciated.
Breaking out freight? That's not a fee.. That's part of the price. If that's accurate, then your actual cost is $30,448.
The one fee I don't see? $595 acquisition fee.
If I take your total cap, add the first payment, then deduct the $3500, I get $305/mo.
Even if I add in $595 for acquisition, I'm only at $322/mo.
Taxes are high in MD, no way around that.. But, this deal is a good $900-$1000 too high, IMO.
Same payment with $2500 upfront? I could live with that.
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$3750 incentives (base)
$5875 incentives (tech)
54% (base) or 52% (tech)
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Sorry, I think I misstated the $975 as the freight when it's actually the acquisition fee. Also, the $3,500 includes first month's payment. Does that get you to $336/month?
$3750 incentives
55%
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54%/53% residual
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$5875 lease incentives
51% residual
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That's not a very good CAP (and evidently, isn't the actual adjusted CAP), considering the nearly $6K of incentives and the $4000 upfront.
A lot of work to do on this deal..
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MSRP $42800
Cap Cost $35800
36/12
$1800 due at signing to cover first, tag, doc fees, acquisition fee
$450 with 7% tax in
Do you see these numbers are fine? I do not think they do based on the high out of pocket start.
$5000 incentive
53% residual
I get $396/mo.+tax, if that is the adjusted CAP cost.
Which state?
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Why are you putting $4k "down?" If this is going towards a Capitalized Cost Reduction, you will lose this money if at any point during the lease, your car is stolen or totaled.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
My trade in is worth 2k and then I was going to put down another 2k but that's a good point. This is my first lease..should I put no more than 3k down?
OK. Your trade in is worth $2K, then have the dealership write you a check for that and put it into your bank account and use it to make lease payments with. Keep the other $2K in your bank account. You DO NOT need Acura Care for another $25 per month (this will end up costing you an additional $900 over the life of the lease).
The only money you should be paying up front (or money due at signing) is 1st month's payment, DMV Fees, and the bank fee (acquisition fee). You should roll your taxes into the payment as well.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I'd recommend adding the acquistion (bank) fee to the payment, as well. First month and registration only due at signing.
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True sign and drive? Nothing out of pocket at signing? Then that's a good deal.
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Please provide residual, money factor, incentives for 36/12k.
ZIP: 19047
Thanks so much!
$3750 incentive
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