"...which is giving the scammers your ID and password..."
Ha ha I've got them fooled. My memory is so bad that 5 minutes after I logged off I forgot all that info for both eBay and Paypal. They couldn't get that information if they water boarded me.
Thank goodness for that little thingy that asks:" forgot your password" or I'd never logon to ANYTHING twice.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
>because the dealer is doing the work you would normally do....
All they are doing is sending (mailing) the title to the Auditor's office for transfer the title from the factory origination certificate to the owner's name(s). I don't recall that ever was something done by the buyer in the past. The title is then mailed to the owner who then has to go to the license branch to have the license plate transferred to the new vehicle or they go to get new plates to replace the paper tag bought from the dealership when car was purchased.
Canadian dollar is so strong relative to the US that many of our neighbors are crossing the border to load up on cheap goods.
Yes, I saw that too. And the Americans wanted special days to shop because the Canadians were taking over the store. One said the groceries are half the price!
Prices in Canada are higher for many reasons, one being it is a large area with 1/10th the population. Things are expensive here too, the average price of a home in Canada is $375000, Toronto is $460000 and Vancouver $752000. That compares to just over $200000 in the USA. So stores cost more, wages are more, our minimum wage is just over $10 an hour.
We save all our shopping for when we are in the U.S. as much as we can.
When I was selling my snow tires a guy said he was on a ship somewhere and he would buy the tires using pay pal, and a friend would come and pick them up.
I opened a Pay Pal account which took about 40 minutes. It wasn't easy so I called the nice lady. She said don't sell to any one using that kind of story, they are almost always frauds. They send someone to pick up the tires and the money isn't really there. If selling on Craigslist have the cash or certified check in your hand before handing over the goods.
Buying shouldn't be a problem, but it is better to use Pay Pal then give someone your credit card information.
sending (mailing) the title to the Auditor's office for transfer the title from the factory origination certificate to the owner's name(s).
I agree, it isn't worth more than $200 maximum. I don't know how long it takes but whatever it is $30 an hour should cover it, probably $60. I think they do some paperwork as far as warranty information, administration costs to track you down, put you in the computer system. If that takes 2 hours than $60 would be fair. They probably have to do a check on the trade in to see there aren't liens on it....who knows...maybe Mike?
The term for that is the MSO (origination certificate) and that is sent to the dealer within a few days of receiving a new car from the port or from the factory (if made in the U.S.).
The process is quite simple:
*when a customer buys a new car, the dealer sends the MSO and accompanying paperwork to the county (usually handled by a auto tag agency) where the sale was made. The MSO is proof that the new vehicle has never been titled. *the county then issues registration and tags for the new car in the owners name and sends title request to the state capital where a certificate of title is prepared. If there is a loan on the car (lien) it is shown on the title and the title is sent to the lien holder (in some states the lien holder is listed on the title, but title is sent to the listed owner). If no lien exists, the title is sent to the owner. *In Florida, the tags and registration cost about $50 per year, but there is a one time impact fee on new car registrations of $100. Title costs about $125.00. *the tag agency who handles the paperwork charges about $80 for this service. *in some dealerships, registration, tags and yearly decals are issued by the dealer itself because they have acquired a license from the state to issue these directly to the customer, and thus is less expensive than using a tag agency. *in some states, the cost of tags and registration is based upon the value of the car like in California. When I lived there, yearly tag and registration fees were $600 for my E300, very costly. In some states, it is based upon the weight of the vehicle.
Lots of talk here about the F&I paper work charges. One needs to shop their dealers before a purchase. After purchasing 14 houses, I can tell you that when it comes to document preparations, you have to do some shopping. With houses, you have attorney fees dealing with documents, bank fees dealing with documents, title company fees dealing with documents, etc. Though many people don't wish to take the time to shop these figures, I do. You can save hundreds of dollars in the process. Cars dealers can be handled the same way. I may pay $50 to $100 for document preparations, no more than that. If the dealer won't cooperate, factor an extra $200 into your purchase deal. Regardless of the automobile that I want, there is certainly more than one delaer who sells that model. If you wish to save money, you have to be persistent and willing to do your homework.
While I'm not a big fan of Ebay or Paypal, they both do serve a purpose. Rather than drive and walk all over the place, we've purchased several things for the house on Ebay. As for Paypal, if you can live through the agony of setting up the account, it works well after the first use. It also prevents a provider from having access to your credit card number. I was amazed. Products actually arrived unbroken and in good shape---and are exactly what you ordered. I often don't have that kind of luck when buying in person. :sick:
I feel so sorry for driver100 and the other Canadians. I'm watching Top Gear and in one of their skits they have to race sports cars 250 yards against a golf ball hit by a pro golfer....while wearing a really bad wig.
One of the hosts made the comment: "here I am driving a $400,000 car against a golf ball and I look like a Canadian." :surprise:
Talk about a low blow. :sick:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
It does in one way, but I would still like to know the real cost of the so-called dealer fees. Is that registration really $100 and is the tag agency paid $80?
Why should dealer fees change with the price or weight of the car, isn't the paperwork going to be the same?
How can some dealers charge nothing, others $45, others $700?
I think that perhaps a special Canadian tax is in order. We could use the revenue toward our national debt
At the rate you guys are blowing through money you need more than what we Canadians can put together. And that's not taking account the money we are burning through........a few million $s for Iranian earthquake victims that will never get used for the purpose which it is intended to be used for.
Reservations - Idrive/Nav is just silly complicated, and I'm a gadget guy
I forgot to mention i-Drive is so simple I can use it pretty well...and I have technophobia.
It was very difficult to use, but all the reviews I have read say the 2012 version of i-Drive is a masterpiece of engineering....very intuitive and easy to use.
They really do! Last time I was on the Garden State Parkway I came to a toll booth, guy was reading a newspaper, I handed him the 35 cents and hit the gas. He was a little slow hitting the green light and I saw a big flash of light.
That was the picture taker (the big flash). He must have over-ridden the picture because I never did get a ticket, but I did wonder how I'd fight it if I had.
I was in the Honda shop yesterday. Saw a Honda Rincon with the price reduced from $8995 to $7595. Told the salesguy I didn't have a truck and could he come to my house to look at my Polaris trade. Sure no problem. He looks at it last night (he lives 4 miles away) and says what do you want for it. I say $1,000. He says that should be no problem. We'll pick it up when we deliver the new one.
He calls this morning with...My boss says since we're discounting the Honda we can only give $700 for the Polaris.
Now, how does his selling have a darn thing to do with the trade in value of my quad? I said I'll think about it and left it at that. In reality I just axed that deal due to his devaluing of my trade. I was all set to have them install a 52 in snow plow before delivery (another profit for him) and wait for the delivery truck...but noooo.
What is with these guys that are so tight when they already charge $495 for setup, $85 dealer fee and $100 delivery that I knew about and was ready to accept. Now he gets no sale over his GREED for 300 lousy dollars. What a putz.
I'm back in sales, working for Hyundai now. It's very relaxed compared to my last job I had as a marketing manager at a local exotic/luxury car dealer. So much less stress and as i get older (mid 30's now) I value a stress free environment
Now, how does his selling have a darn thing to do with the trade in value of my quad?
I’d say it’s because this is a typical dealer who figures someone is going to trade something for the Rincon and he could low ball that trade and/or the salesman set you up by telling you that $1000 for your trade would not be a problem.
How would that thing push snow around with a 52 inch blade are they that powerful? Is this something these things are bought for? :confuse:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I saw the news piece as well and the facebook page.
I personally go to that costco too and shop. Yes it does get busy but I'm not sure why some bellinghammers are complaining. About 2000 -3000 canadians cross into washington state every day, most for shopping like gas, groceries and clothes. Every time we go down for a day of shopping (once a month at least) we will spend $300-$600 per trip. Now multiply that by everyone else who shops and bellingham is getting several millions of dollars in revenue from us Canadians. (say 1000 people X 30 days X $200 per trip).
You sure are demanding, aren't you! Dealer fees have nothing to do with "fees" or anything associated with fees. The costs involved in titling and registering and acquiring tags for a new car are shown on the bill of sale separately. There is a battery and tire disposal fee in Florida, and that too is shown separately. So, as you can see, DEALER FEES have nothing to do with costs involved in the sale or registration of a vehicle. All they are is ADDED PROFIT FOR THE DEALER!
If this does not answer your question, then perhaps you are asking the wrong question!
the "dealer doc fee" is just itemizing out a cost of the overhead of running the business. No different than adding a "lot buy washes the car" or "janitor changes the TP in the mens room" fee.
IMO, the only reason they do it is because they have to itemize out the legitimate DMV fees, so they can kind of pretend it belongs in there. And if they want to charge me extra to do the DMV work, I should have the option of doing it myself.
If I lived in Florida and was shown a $700 fee instead of the $200 fee in NJ, I would just lower my final offer by $500 anyway, but I am sure plenty of people don't think of doing that!
Here in Florida they do not call it a "doc fee"! It is simply preprinted on all buyers orders and bills of sale as a "dealer fee"!
What "fees" are involved in the sale of a car?
Gas fill-up.....paid for by the manufacturer Preparation and cleaning.....paid for by the manufacturer Inspection..... paid for by the manufacturer Install wipers, floor mats....paid for by the manufacturer License plates/registration....paid for by customer-shown as separate charge on bill of sale Title, doc stamps, bank fees for lease....shown separately on buyers order and bill of sale
So, what is left? Nothing. Everything is itemized on bill of sale as part of the selling price or it was paid for by the manufacturer. Then, on the buyers order and bill of sale there is a "dealer fee"! What's that for? NOTHING, just added profit!
>It is simply preprinted on all buyers orders and bills of sale as a "dealer fee"!
Preprinting it is another gimmick to make customer feel obligated. They can all it whatever they want. IT's a result of lobbying by the dealers' associations. I read the Ohio Revised Code and had a copy in my case with me at the table the last time. I told the "kid" salesman that I had read the applicable sections and the permitted dealer charge applied to time payment applications and I was paying check or cash if they wanted me to make a withdrawal at the bank down the street. Also the section did not say it was required but rather that it was permitted up to $250, if I remember the right amount. I told him I had the copies with me and I was good at reading.
Since he had not negotiated in good faith for the bottom line I had indicated, I was ready to drive 15 miles to the next dealership with a black Cobalt just like the one he had. I had made sure he saw the printout from the other dealer's web page for that and a third black Cobalt.
We ended up at $100.
I hate the gimmicks they try to pull. Worse than the airlines.
Actually, the airlines are worse! Baggage fees? Early boarding fees? Premium seating fees? Now, Internet boarding pass fees? At least the car dealers charge one fee and it's shown on the bill of sale. Airlines are nickel and diming us to death. Not one fee, but 4-6 different fees for one way ticket! Who are they kidding?
All they are is ADDED PROFIT FOR THE DEALER! Dealer fees have nothing to do with "fees" or anything associated with fees.
So, if I got this right, dealer fees have nothing to do with "fees". Sounds reasonable, so why aren't dealers charged with price fixing and collusion for all charging the same fee for absolutely nothing?
The phone companies here added extra fees to the monthly bill, they had a name for it, like administrative fee. Then there was a class action suit and they had to stop doing it and pay back the money they collected.
I suppose if people insist on paying invoice prices, this is a way dealers can insure they make a sizeable profit.
How would that thing push snow around with a 52 inch blade are they that powerful ?
Hey, for almost nine thousand bucks it better shovel the sidewalk too. :shades:
Yes, at 685 lbs and 4WD they do well with a 48-52 in blade. 60 inch blades are used more on tractors. Just like any plow, try not to push snow that is higher than the blade unless you have speed and somewhere for the snow to go.
A fee is a charge for services. What services has the dealer provided you that are above and beyond what they received from the manufacturer for making YHE car ready for delivery or that they haven't already charged you for on YHE bill of sale? None! So the fee is a MISNOMER! Not actually a fee for services provided. Pure profit is all it is.
Now, of the dealer wants to recoup costs associated with his floor plan, i.e., interest he pays for having a large inventory or his mortgage, or his electricity, then the term dealer fees is inappropriate. Don't all businesses have these expenses? So why the dealer fee?
I maintain that dealer fees is just added profit, just like the airlines are doing with their outrageous fees!
. . .just like the airlines are doing with their outrageous fees!
Well, I'm no fan of flying in today's world, even though I do it for a living, but the airlines are charging for OPTIONAL services. You don't have to check a bag, but many people choose to. You don't have to use a pillow or whatever, but some people want to -- that sort of thing.
The doc fee (or whatever it's called) for a car transaction is charged every time -- no optional way out. As others have posted, they may as well charge a power bill fee or a mortgage payment fee or a workers' salary fee. It's all the price of doing business.
The airlines are charging fees to the people who choose to use that particular service. Those who choose not to don't have to pay it. What puts my knickers in a twist is when an airline wants to charge for carry-on luggage -- one tried it, but I don't think it got very far. When an airline starts charging separately for something that everyone has to do, then you've got a solid point.
We're glad that you are back, and that you have a less stressful position now. Regardless, I know that you do a great job in any position that you have.
Are you really sold on Hyundais or was it just getting the less stressful job?
LOL! Just don't ever get him into a debate. He's like a brick wall. He'll go to any length to prove that he is wrong by making sure that he is right. We still love hm though. :shades:
The busiest carrier here at FLL started charging for carry-ons and that was the straw that broke the camel's back! let's go back 4 years:
You could check up to 2 bags per passenger-no charge You could select any available seat-no charge You were served a snack or a meal-no charge You were served juice or soda-no charge You could carry one bag which would fit in the overhead-no charge You could board early if you had 1st class seat- no charge
Now, just about all these are extra charges. That, to me, is nickel and diming the public to death. When I travel, I need to pack a bag for 7-10 days when I go to California. The last time I traveled there on an airline was 4 months ago:
Round trip ticket - $475 Checked bag - $30 x 2 = $60.00 ($30 each way) Soda and chips on each of 4 flights - $30.00 total Internet boarding pass - $10.00 x 2 = $20.00. If I had checked on at the ticket counter-twice as much!
It's totally out of hand. Now, my next trip out to see the grand kids will be by AmTrak - compartment + all meals and gratuities $800.00.
No long lines and no nickel and diming me to death. And it takes 2 days each way and the scenic routes of southern pacific and Sante Fe are not to be believed. TV included.
No more air travel for me unless it is an emergency. I've had it with the airlines!
The last time I was in Japan I collected money in all denominations to bring back as souvenirs. At the airport I had to go through the debarkation (something or other) stand where they charged a 2,000 Yen exit fee.
So much for all the nice colorful money to show friends and family.
We have toques down here, but we call them toboggans.
An actual tobaggan is this;
You probably call it a taboggan hat, which is this;
Some things are different. Sometimes I forget and ask for a serviette, which is probably French for a "napkin". I just get a weird look. We use the two words interchangeably, but serviette seems more appropriate in a fine food place, napkin more for fast food. Oh well????
He'll go to any length to prove that he is wrong by making sure that he is right.
Just asking for a little clarification, just like any good student should do.
Went out to dinner with a friend yesterday. He wanted to look at Audis so we went to the dealership where we bought the Audi. We were walking around on the back lot and I spotted a car just like the one we ordered and it had our name on it.
I talked to the manager and he found it just came in that morning. Should be ready by Wednesday next week. Getting kind of excited. I'll take Mrs. D to check it out today or tomorrow.
That will give all the sales people a chance to do donuts and bat-turns in the parking lot
That's funny. I know I have had a valet who must have taken the curves pretty fast in the parking garage once....my brief case had been thrown all over in the truck and all the papers inside were flung all over. Fortunately, it was a company car :mad:
Actually, the airlines are worse! Baggage fees? Early boarding fees?...
Believe it or not I opted for the “early boarding fee” (I call it go-head-seating) in May 2011 when I went to visit my Delray Beach brother. Man, did I hear it from Mrs. j for doing that ($10 per person). She could not believe I fell for that but no sense being a cheapskate if you can avoid the hassle. I figured it was worth it to not have to wait for your section to be called and when you get to your seat, there is no overhead storage available at your seat area so now you are hunting for a spot for your carry-ons somewhere. Fore, aft, same side, or opposite side of where your seats are and they are almost never together. It sounded good and I’m sure it would have worked the way it was intended if we were at the gate when they started to board the plane.
I say should have because when we were about a mile from the house, when we left early Sunday morning around 4 AM, I forgot my reading material and decided to go back and get it. We had plenty of time but you should have heard Mrs. j, “hey baby, they have magazines at the airport you know. Do you have to have your SPECIAL magazines”. OK, got em and we’re headed to the airport again, still on time. On time until the guy at the offsite airport parking place is a little late pulling out and then had to go back to get someone after being about a mile down the road. We are still a little early but some of the slop has now been eaten up. When we get to the airport I looked to see what gate we are to go to and I see that it says, “now boarding”. We are not late but it looks like they are boarding early. I turn around and go to the airline desk and ask if that is right. I’m told they had a chance to board early so they did but I had nothing to worry about because we were still on time and they were not going to push-off before we got there.
OK, that sounds good but now TSA is very slooow. By the time we got to the gate there were no passengers left to board, we were the last ones. I’m thinking so much for that go-ahead-seating. :sick: When we board the plane it’s full and I see an overhead open and it looks like it’s right where there are two open seats, ours. Gee, how did that happen? After we were in the air I asked the flight attendant about that. She said the desk called them and said we were on our way but they knew there was a backup at the TSA lines and since they knew we had go-ahead-seating they prepared the overhead for us. She was on top of it alright because there was only one small bag in that overhead when we got there. Now that is what I call service and it only cost 10 bucks per person. Has anyone ever gotten service like that at a dealership for so little?
Just in case anyone is interested, the airline was Airtran and they had good in flight service too.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
"...when we left early Sunday morning around 4 AM,..."
Why is it that every flight that we need means that we have to get up and leave in the middle of the night? There has to be a flight some where that leaves at 11 AM or 2 PM. :sick:
cdn....I've done "out the door" pricing (that is, all taxes and fees included with my offer....which is a once and final offer) for years.
It alleviates any misunderstandings and/or surprises in the deal. Some dealerships try to add on more when it comes to getting to the finance office. But, if the numbers change once there, it's a quick walk towards the door that usually gets everyone on the same page.
It really doesn't take much time to figure OTD. All one has to do is to find their tax rate to add to their offer. Leases are a little more complex, given the bank fees (acquisition fees, CAP cost reduction, inception fees, etc....just to name a few). But, I don't lease.
My offers are "all in". Most times I have a piece of paper I print up with my offer so there are no misunderstandings on what my offer is, what it includes (everything....all in offer) or what I agree to pay.
If there's a trade involved, all I need to know is the delta between what my trade is worth, and what the offer is on their car. In OH you only have to figure taxes on that delta.
In short, a little homework, and a little "pre-planning" on your offer is all it should take to make a deal, and to be assured the deal is a good one.
By the way, I won't even entertain buying from a dealership that prints an ADM on their window sticker....regardless of how they try to justify it ("mop & glo, window etching, etc). Those are dealerships who usually try to bump my offer, which I don't do, either.
Yes, the toboggan can be a sled or a hat---both spelled the same way. In this area of the country, we don't often have the opportunity to use the sled, but we do wear the hats when it gets cold.
The serviette is more British in useage. It does sound nicer than the term napkin. Here in the South, we use linen dinner napkins for the dining room and serviettes in the guest powder bath. The only obvious difference between the two is in the way that they are folded. In the powder bath, they are folded more like a hand towel; in the dining room the napkins can be folded in a variety of ways depending on the table settings and the effect that you desire. We usually place the dinner napkin in the water goblet and arrange it like a flower. If you use napkin rings, you can make all kinds of designs for the table. Since you're my poster buddy, I won't charge you my usual $50 an hour fee for this tip. A full day consultation is $500---doesn't include any actual work other than giving oral BS. If I have to arrange your furniture, hang your pictures, set your table, etc., then we're talking more bucks.
The serviette is more British in useage. It does sound nicer than the term napkin.
Sounds like the differnce between a Shoppe and a shop. The difference is the Shoppe has higher prices because it has a fancier name.
Your fees are about as good as the plumber who charged me $500 an hour to fix a drain pipe.
I heard back from the Passat saleslady. The car has a MSRP of $27490 and they don't normally discount their cars at all because they sell so well, but, just for me they will reduce the price by......get this.......are you ready......... an incredible, $250! :sick:
I wrote back and said the price I am willing to pay is $23990 (That's the Edmunds True Value price). I also wondered how the MSRP went from $22752 for a 2012 to $27490 for a 2013 when the increase in price was about $800. I also told her the salesman we saw in February, who is no longer there, was going to discount the car a lot more than her price, and even that wasn't enough.
So, we will see what she comes up with. I can go on Edmunds and I think get 3 dealers to give me a price, because I think this is going no where.
I am being treated like they will be honoring me if they choose to sell me a car. They even said since we were special ordering, they should really charge an extra fee for that :sick: Morons!!!!!!
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Ha ha I've got them fooled. My memory is so bad that 5 minutes after I logged off I forgot all that info for both eBay and Paypal. They couldn't get that information if they water boarded me.
Thank goodness for that little thingy that asks:" forgot your password" or I'd never logon to ANYTHING twice.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
All they are doing is sending (mailing) the title to the Auditor's office for transfer the title from the factory origination certificate to the owner's name(s). I don't recall that ever was something done by the buyer in the past. The title is then mailed to the owner who then has to go to the license branch to have the license plate transferred to the new vehicle or they go to get new plates to replace the paper tag bought from the dealership when car was purchased.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Yes, I saw that too. And the Americans wanted special days to shop because the Canadians were taking over the store. One said the groceries are half the price!
Prices in Canada are higher for many reasons, one being it is a large area with 1/10th the population. Things are expensive here too, the average price of a home in Canada is $375000, Toronto is $460000 and Vancouver $752000. That compares to just over $200000 in the USA. So stores cost more, wages are more, our minimum wage is just over $10 an hour.
We save all our shopping for when we are in the U.S. as much as we can.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
When I was selling my snow tires a guy said he was on a ship somewhere and he would buy the tires using pay pal, and a friend would come and pick them up.
I opened a Pay Pal account which took about 40 minutes. It wasn't easy so I called the nice lady. She said don't sell to any one using that kind of story, they are almost always frauds. They send someone to pick up the tires and the money isn't really there. If selling on Craigslist have the cash or certified check in your hand before handing over the goods.
Buying shouldn't be a problem, but it is better to use Pay Pal then give someone your credit card information.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I agree, it isn't worth more than $200 maximum. I don't know how long it takes but whatever it is $30 an hour should cover it, probably $60. I think they do some paperwork as far as warranty information, administration costs to track you down, put you in the computer system. If that takes 2 hours than $60 would be fair. They probably have to do a check on the trade in to see there aren't liens on it....who knows...maybe Mike?
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
The term for that is the MSO (origination certificate) and that is sent to the dealer within a few days of receiving a new car from the port or from the factory (if made in the U.S.).
The process is quite simple:
*when a customer buys a new car, the dealer sends the MSO and accompanying paperwork to the county (usually handled by a auto tag agency) where the sale was made. The MSO is proof that the new vehicle has never been titled.
*the county then issues registration and tags for the new car in the owners name and sends title request to the state capital where a certificate of title is prepared. If there is a loan on the car (lien) it is shown on the title and the title is sent to the lien holder (in some states the lien holder is listed on the title, but title is sent to the listed owner). If no lien exists, the title is sent to the owner.
*In Florida, the tags and registration cost about $50 per year, but there is a one time impact fee on new car registrations of $100. Title costs about $125.00.
*the tag agency who handles the paperwork charges about $80 for this service.
*in some dealerships, registration, tags and yearly decals are issued by the dealer itself because they have acquired a license from the state to issue these directly to the customer, and thus is less expensive than using a tag agency.
*in some states, the cost of tags and registration is based upon the value of the car like in California. When I lived there, yearly tag and registration fees were $600 for my E300, very costly. In some states, it is based upon the weight of the vehicle.
I hope this provided some info that is helpful.
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One of the hosts made the comment: "here I am driving a $400,000 car against a golf ball and I look like a Canadian." :surprise:
Talk about a low blow. :sick:
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
It does in one way, but I would still like to know the real cost of the so-called dealer fees. Is that registration really $100 and is the tag agency paid $80?
Why should dealer fees change with the price or weight of the car, isn't the paperwork going to be the same?
How can some dealers charge nothing, others $45, others $700?
Sorry, I need more info......
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
At the rate you guys are blowing through money you need more than what we Canadians can put together. And that's not taking account the money we are burning through........a few million $s for Iranian earthquake victims that will never get used for the purpose which it is intended to be used for.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
The only explanation for that I can think of is if his phony wig looked like a toque (pronounced tewk)which is a kind of hat we have for the winter.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I forgot to mention i-Drive is so simple I can use it pretty well...and I have technophobia.
It was very difficult to use, but all the reviews I have read say the 2012 version of i-Drive is a masterpiece of engineering....very intuitive and easy to use.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
It is free to get in, but we charge you to get out!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
That was the picture taker (the big flash). He must have over-ridden the picture because I never did get a ticket, but I did wonder how I'd fight it if I had.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
He calls this morning with...My boss says since we're discounting the Honda we can only give $700 for the Polaris.
Now, how does his selling have a darn thing to do with the trade in value of my quad? I said I'll think about it and left it at that. In reality I just axed that deal due to his devaluing of my trade.
I was all set to have them install a 52 in snow plow before delivery (another profit for him) and wait for the delivery truck...but noooo.
What is with these guys that are so tight when they already charge $495 for setup, $85 dealer fee and $100 delivery that I knew about and was ready to accept. Now he gets no sale over his GREED for 300 lousy dollars. What a putz.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
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I’d say it’s because this is a typical dealer who figures someone is going to trade something for the Rincon and he could low ball that trade and/or the salesman set you up by telling you that $1000 for your trade would not be a problem.
How would that thing push snow around with a 52 inch blade are they that powerful? Is this something these things are bought for? :confuse:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I personally go to that costco too and shop. Yes it does get busy but I'm not sure why some bellinghammers are complaining. About 2000 -3000 canadians cross into washington state every day, most for shopping like gas, groceries and clothes. Every time we go down for a day of shopping (once a month at least) we will spend $300-$600 per trip. Now multiply that by everyone else who shops and bellingham is getting several millions of dollars in revenue from us Canadians. (say 1000 people X 30 days X $200 per trip).
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You sure are demanding, aren't you! Dealer fees have nothing to do with "fees" or anything associated with fees. The costs involved in titling and registering and acquiring tags for a new car are shown on the bill of sale separately. There is a battery and tire disposal fee in Florida, and that too is shown separately. So, as you can see, DEALER FEES have nothing to do with costs involved in the sale or registration of a vehicle. All they are is ADDED PROFIT FOR THE DEALER!
If this does not answer your question, then perhaps you are asking the wrong question!
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IMO, the only reason they do it is because they have to itemize out the legitimate DMV fees, so they can kind of pretend it belongs in there. And if they want to charge me extra to do the DMV work, I should have the option of doing it myself.
If I lived in Florida and was shown a $700 fee instead of the $200 fee in NJ, I would just lower my final offer by $500 anyway, but I am sure plenty of people don't think of doing that!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Here in Florida they do not call it a "doc fee"! It is simply preprinted on all buyers orders and bills of sale as a "dealer fee"!
What "fees" are involved in the sale of a car?
Gas fill-up.....paid for by the manufacturer
Preparation and cleaning.....paid for by the manufacturer
Inspection..... paid for by the manufacturer
Install wipers, floor mats....paid for by the manufacturer
License plates/registration....paid for by customer-shown as separate charge on bill of sale
Title, doc stamps, bank fees for lease....shown separately on buyers order and bill of sale
So, what is left? Nothing. Everything is itemized on bill of sale as part of the selling price or it was paid for by the manufacturer. Then, on the buyers order and bill of sale there is a "dealer fee"! What's that for? NOTHING, just added profit!
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Preprinting it is another gimmick to make customer feel obligated. They can all it whatever they want. IT's a result of lobbying by the dealers' associations. I read the Ohio Revised Code and had a copy in my case with me at the table the last time. I told the "kid" salesman that I had read the applicable sections and the permitted dealer charge applied to time payment applications and I was paying check or cash if they wanted me to make a withdrawal at the bank down the street. Also the section did not say it was required but rather that it was permitted up to $250, if I remember the right amount. I told him I had the copies with me and I was good at reading.
Since he had not negotiated in good faith for the bottom line I had indicated, I was ready to drive 15 miles to the next dealership with a black Cobalt just like the one he had. I had made sure he saw the printout from the other dealer's web page for that and a third black Cobalt.
We ended up at $100.
I hate the gimmicks they try to pull. Worse than the airlines.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Actually, the airlines are worse! Baggage fees? Early boarding fees? Premium seating fees? Now, Internet boarding pass fees? At least the car dealers charge one fee and it's shown on the bill of sale. Airlines are nickel and diming us to death. Not one fee, but 4-6 different fees for one way ticket! Who are they kidding?
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Dealer fees have nothing to do with "fees" or anything associated with fees.
So, if I got this right, dealer fees have nothing to do with "fees". Sounds reasonable, so why aren't dealers charged with price fixing and collusion for all charging the same fee for absolutely nothing?
The phone companies here added extra fees to the monthly bill, they had a name for it, like administrative fee. Then there was a class action suit and they had to stop doing it and pay back the money they collected.
I suppose if people insist on paying invoice prices, this is a way dealers can insure they make a sizeable profit.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
I don't counter anything. I saw his price and figured in all the extras,
swallowed hard and said OK, as long as my trade brings $1k.
Owner never saw the quad, but wanted 300 more dollars in his pocket.
For that he gets ZERO Dollars. I'm sure the salesman was not a happy guy.
His boss screwed the deal. That 2000 Polaris is every bit of a thousand bucks.
If I trade at a Polaris dealer for a RZR, It'll be well over a thousand trade.
Then again RZRs start at $16k and top out around a mid priced Hyundai.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
Hey, for almost nine thousand bucks it better shovel the sidewalk too. :shades:
Yes, at 685 lbs and 4WD they do well with a 48-52 in blade. 60 inch blades are used more on tractors. Just like any plow, try not to push snow that is higher than the blade unless you have speed and somewhere for the snow to go.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
A fee is a charge for services. What services has the dealer provided you that are above and beyond what they received from the manufacturer for making YHE car ready for delivery or that they haven't already charged you for on YHE bill of sale? None! So the fee is a MISNOMER! Not actually a fee for services provided. Pure profit is all it is.
Now, of the dealer wants to recoup costs associated with his floor plan, i.e., interest he pays for having a large inventory or his mortgage, or his electricity, then the term dealer fees is inappropriate. Don't all businesses have these expenses? So why the dealer fee?
I maintain that dealer fees is just added profit, just like the airlines are doing with their outrageous fees!
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Well, I'm no fan of flying in today's world, even though I do it for a living, but the airlines are charging for OPTIONAL services. You don't have to check a bag, but many people choose to. You don't have to use a pillow or whatever, but some people want to -- that sort of thing.
The doc fee (or whatever it's called) for a car transaction is charged every time -- no optional way out. As others have posted, they may as well charge a power bill fee or a mortgage payment fee or a workers' salary fee. It's all the price of doing business.
The airlines are charging fees to the people who choose to use that particular service. Those who choose not to don't have to pay it. What puts my knickers in a twist is when an airline wants to charge for carry-on luggage -- one tried it, but I don't think it got very far. When an airline starts charging separately for something that everyone has to do, then you've got a solid point.
Thank goodness we're not there. . .yet.
Richard
Good for you! And they call us "grinders".
Richard
$5500 tuition (semester)
-$3000 scholarship..
=$2500 ... right?
$1250 fees for just one semester...
50% more than the selling price!!!
(Oh yeah... $5700 more for room and board)
And...we get to pay it all over again in January....
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LOL! Just don't ever get him into a debate. He's like a brick wall. He'll go to any length to prove that he is wrong by making sure that he is right.
Richard
Exactly....works for me every time.
Richard
The busiest carrier here at FLL started charging for carry-ons and that was the straw that broke the camel's back! let's go back 4 years:
You could check up to 2 bags per passenger-no charge
You could select any available seat-no charge
You were served a snack or a meal-no charge
You were served juice or soda-no charge
You could carry one bag which would fit in the overhead-no charge
You could board early if you had 1st class seat- no charge
Now, just about all these are extra charges. That, to me, is nickel and diming the public to death. When I travel, I need to pack a bag for 7-10 days when I go to California. The last time I traveled there on an airline was 4 months ago:
Round trip ticket - $475
Checked bag - $30 x 2 = $60.00 ($30 each way)
Soda and chips on each of 4 flights - $30.00 total
Internet boarding pass - $10.00 x 2 = $20.00. If I had checked on at the ticket counter-twice as much!
It's totally out of hand. Now, my next trip out to see the grand kids will be by AmTrak - compartment + all meals and gratuities $800.00.
No long lines and no nickel and diming me to death. And it takes 2 days each way and the scenic routes of southern pacific and Sante Fe are not to be believed. TV included.
No more air travel for me unless it is an emergency. I've had it with the airlines!
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So much for all the nice colorful money to show friends and family.
2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali
An actual tobaggan is this;
You probably call it a taboggan hat, which is this;
Some things are different. Sometimes I forget and ask for a serviette, which is probably French for a "napkin". I just get a weird look. We use the two words interchangeably, but serviette seems more appropriate in a fine food place, napkin more for fast food. Oh well????
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Just asking for a little clarification, just like any good student should do.
Went out to dinner with a friend yesterday. He wanted to look at Audis so we went to the dealership where we bought the Audi. We were walking around on the back lot and I spotted a car just like the one we ordered and it had our name on it.
I talked to the manager and he found it just came in that morning. Should be ready by Wednesday next week. Getting kind of excited. I'll take Mrs. D to check it out today or tomorrow.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
That will give all the sales people a chance to do donuts and bat-turns in the parking lot while throwing french fries under the seats. :P
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
That's funny. I know I have had a valet who must have taken the curves pretty fast in the parking garage once....my brief case had been thrown all over in the truck and all the papers inside were flung all over. Fortunately, it was a company car :mad:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Believe it or not I opted for the “early boarding fee” (I call it go-head-seating) in May 2011 when I went to visit my Delray Beach brother. Man, did I hear it from Mrs. j for doing that ($10 per person). She could not believe I fell for that but no sense being a cheapskate if you can avoid the hassle. I figured it was worth it to not have to wait for your section to be called and when you get to your seat, there is no overhead storage available at your seat area so now you are hunting for a spot for your carry-ons somewhere. Fore, aft, same side, or opposite side of where your seats are and they are almost never together. It sounded good and I’m sure it would have worked the way it was intended if we were at the gate when they started to board the plane.
I say should have because when we were about a mile from the house, when we left early Sunday morning around 4 AM, I forgot my reading material and decided to go back and get it. We had plenty of time but you should have heard Mrs. j, “hey baby, they have magazines at the airport you know. Do you have to have your SPECIAL magazines”. OK, got em and we’re headed to the airport again, still on time. On time until the guy at the offsite airport parking place is a little late pulling out and then had to go back to get someone after being about a mile down the road.
OK, that sounds good but now TSA is very slooow. By the time we got to the gate there were no passengers left to board, we were the last ones. I’m thinking so much for that go-ahead-seating. :sick: When we board the plane it’s full and I see an overhead open and it looks like it’s right where there are two open seats, ours. Gee, how did that happen? After we were in the air I asked the flight attendant about that. She said the desk called them and said we were on our way but they knew there was a backup at the TSA lines and since they knew we had go-ahead-seating they prepared the overhead for us. She was on top of it alright because there was only one small bag in that overhead when we got there. Now that is what I call service and it only cost 10 bucks per person. Has anyone ever gotten service like that at a dealership for so little?
Just in case anyone is interested, the airline was Airtran and they had good in flight service too.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Why is it that every flight that we need means that we have to get up and leave in the middle of the night? There has to be a flight some where that leaves at 11 AM or 2 PM. :sick:
Richard
There are but they cost more and none of the chiselers in this group would be willing to pony up a few extra bucks....
It alleviates any misunderstandings and/or surprises in the deal. Some dealerships try to add on more when it comes to getting to the finance office. But, if the numbers change once there, it's a quick walk towards the door that usually gets everyone on the same page.
It really doesn't take much time to figure OTD. All one has to do is to find their tax rate to add to their offer. Leases are a little more complex, given the bank fees (acquisition fees, CAP cost reduction, inception fees, etc....just to name a few). But, I don't lease.
My offers are "all in". Most times I have a piece of paper I print up with my offer so there are no misunderstandings on what my offer is, what it includes (everything....all in offer) or what I agree to pay.
If there's a trade involved, all I need to know is the delta between what my trade is worth, and what the offer is on their car. In OH you only have to figure taxes on that delta.
In short, a little homework, and a little "pre-planning" on your offer is all it should take to make a deal, and to be assured the deal is a good one.
By the way, I won't even entertain buying from a dealership that prints an ADM on their window sticker....regardless of how they try to justify it ("mop & glo, window etching, etc). Those are dealerships who usually try to bump my offer, which I don't do, either.
The serviette is more British in useage. It does sound nicer than the term napkin. Here in the South, we use linen dinner napkins for the dining room and serviettes in the guest powder bath. The only obvious difference between the two is in the way that they are folded. In the powder bath, they are folded more like a hand towel; in the dining room the napkins can be folded in a variety of ways depending on the table settings and the effect that you desire. We usually place the dinner napkin in the water goblet and arrange it like a flower. If you use napkin rings, you can make all kinds of designs for the table. Since you're my poster buddy, I won't charge you my usual $50 an hour fee for this tip. A full day consultation is $500---doesn't include any actual work other than giving oral BS. If I have to arrange your furniture, hang your pictures, set your table, etc., then we're talking more bucks.
Richard
Sounds like the differnce between a Shoppe and a shop. The difference is the Shoppe has higher prices because it has a fancier name.
Your fees are about as good as the plumber who charged me $500 an hour to fix a drain pipe.
I heard back from the Passat saleslady. The car has a MSRP of $27490 and they don't normally discount their cars at all because they sell so well, but, just for me they will reduce the price by......get this.......are you ready......... an incredible, $250! :sick:
I wrote back and said the price I am willing to pay is $23990 (That's the Edmunds True Value price). I also wondered how the MSRP went from $22752 for a 2012 to $27490 for a 2013 when the increase in price was about $800. I also told her the salesman we saw in February, who is no longer there, was going to discount the car a lot more than her price, and even that wasn't enough.
So, we will see what she comes up with. I can go on Edmunds and I think get 3 dealers to give me a price, because I think this is going no where.
I am being treated like they will be honoring me if they choose to sell me a car. They even said since we were special ordering, they should really charge an extra fee for that :sick: Morons!!!!!!
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250