Are gas prices fueling your pain?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    In case you always wanted to know, I have just proven that you (yes, YOU, not Lance Armstrong) can carry 25 lbs of bird seed and 24 frozen fudge bars for 3 miles on a bicycle no problem. (mountain bike, reasonably level ground, with saddle bags, 6 mi round trip).
  • msindallasmsindallas Member Posts: 190
    Dang, none of my plans are working - I guess I will continue to drive as usual and cut back on retail (new clothes, etc.) and restaurants. Best regards, - MS.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    How did you prove that? Also I can guarantee you that while I might start out with 24 frozen fudge bars I will not get home with 24. :blush:

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,038
    how much gas my grandmother's lawn tractor would use if I drove it the ~4 mile round trip to the grocery store? If I hitched up the little utility trailer we have, I could use it do to my grocery shopping!

    I have no idea how to estimate fuel economy on something like this. I do know that a gallon of gasoline will get me about 1 1/2 hours of grass cutting. But that's a lot harder on the tractor than just cruising along in 7th gear. I figure my pickup truck would use about 1/3 gallon of fuel on that trip, while my Intrepid would use about 1/5. My uncle's Corolla would use about 1/9th, maybe?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I just did it (in keeping with my new resolve to crush the oil companies by boycott). That 6 mile bike ride is .50 cents of mine they won't be getting THIS day :shades:

    Now I'm hungry. I need a fudge bar.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,038
    I helped out a bit with your boycott, Shifty. I was supposed to cut my grandmother's grass tonite, but in the name of saving the environment and sticking it to Big Oil (even if I AM a shareholder!) I took a stand and left the tractor in the garage! I figure my act of defiance saved about $3.119.

    (of course, that means that when I do finally get around to cutting the grass, it'll probably use even more gas, since it'll be higher and harder to cut. :sick: )
  • walterquintwalterquint Member Posts: 89
    I can barely lift a 25lb bag of birdseed into my car trunk, let alone cart it on a mountain bike. Well done. (I'll bet those 24 frozen fudge bars melted to 1 giant bar at trip's end. A big plus.)

    Honestly, though, I don't think biking and walking is the answer. I've worked with guys who sometimes bike to work. Let's just say I can smell them coming. Hygiene invariably suffers. More biking also means more laundry, with more water heated by fossil fuels.

    Biking is very dangerous nowadays. Too many cars on the road. I respectfully beg this forum's excellent host to abandon his Schwinn. It's not worth becoming road-kill for a few pounds of birdseed. :sick:

    There are plenty of ways to save $$$$ FOR gas, instead of saving money ON gas. As noted above, dump bottled water. Like milk? Buy a half gallon of full milk and add a half gallon water; you won't know the difference. Add bread crumbs to meat. Don't buy coffee at Starbucks. Shower at the gym instead of at home. Dump cable tv. Switch to a cheaper cell phone plan. Stop going to movies. Stop watering your lawn.

    But as always, Drive, drive, drive!!!! It's the American way.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    I read this article some place (business section, I forget which paper) that said, believe it or not, that old school push mowers are making a comeback as a result of green concerns and the desire to save money and reduce emissions. The numbers are tiny as yet, but there are two dedicated push mower manufacturers, building in the USA no less, and they can undercut the price of gas-powered mowers quite substantially, as you might imsgine, and they of course are also zero emission, zero gas consumption. And these manufacturers are racking up unexpected profits!

    You can save gas even when you're NOT in the car! :-)

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    That's going too far IMO. My Honda lawnmower uses just a few gallons per year. 'Course I do use Mobil 1 High Endurance synthetic and change it appx every 10 mows. Think I will increase my OCI to 15 mows. What do you think? :)
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    indeed, be careful if you're gonna be bikin' it.

    I watch those 'Most Shocking Cop Moments' shows now and then and I gotta tell ya, it's a miracle more accidents don't happen in "normal" automotive traffic movement on our hiways and biways.

    Notice how many idiots are bashing in to cops and/or the people they pull over, while the inquest/possible arrest is going on? We've got way too many intoxicates driving around and way too many people that never should have been issued a driver's license actively driving around on our roads IMO.

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I rode motorcycles for 20 years with never a scratch. I AM very careful. I just presume that every single car on the road is out to kill me and I fully expect them to try.

    Of course, I also try to stay off bad roads. Also I have to say that where I live, people are well trained to tolerate bikes. Not so in all parts of the country.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Reel mowers sound like a good idea, until I remember that my 3 acres of grass grows 3-4" a week. One of these days maybe I'll convert the riding mower to electric.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Notice how many idiots are bashing in to cops and/or the people they pull over, while the inquest/possible arrest is going on?

    In reality you have to ask yourself how often does this really happen? Sure they have plenty of footage of that happening but they have plenty of footage of it not happening too, but thats not what people want to see in these shows. My point is for every one of those how many stops that go on where nothing happens? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    I used to have 5+ acres, and never owned a lawnmower (though I did have several chainsaws). I let it natural - letting the trees have it.

    I never understand why we have gotten to the point of having these lawns that are so much work and expense. I rather play tennis or go to the beach on my days off.
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla Member Posts: 707
    Just get a goat!

    The goat will eat your grass without burning gasoline...

    ...and you can rent him to your neighbors so they can save gas, too!

    :P
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    " I am very careful"...It's not how Careful you are....the question remains...Are the DRIVERS careful!!!!
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    In VA I had neighbors a a couple of streets down that had goats. Kept there 5 plus acres of lightly wooded grassland very sharp looking. They made their own goat cheese and milk too.

    IMO goat cheese is nasty. :sick:
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Goat cheese is great in enchiladas. The people I rent to in Hawaii have a goat that keeps the weeds down. He kind of has the run of the place.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,038
    don't try the bull milk! :P

    I had actually thought about getting a goat or two, but I dunno if I'd be zoned for it. They're picky about that kind of stuff around here. I'm on about 4.25 acres, but about 2.75 is forest/wetland/etc. There's about an acre up front toward the road, which includes the house, garage, driveway, outbuildings, etc, and about a half acre strip in back.

    I'd just as soon let the strip in back grow up, but we've always kept it trimmed, in case we ever wanted to build a house back there. Back in the 80's, my Mom and stepdad toyed around with the idea, but nothing ever became of it. And I doubt if anybody else in our family ever will, either. The neighbor always thanks me for keeping it cut, though. I think partly because, to the casual observer, it makes her yard look bigger because people might then think that's part of her yard, but they're also afraid of snakes back there, and they think that keeping the grass cut will keep the snakes away.

    I am letting parts of the yard down towards the road grow up, though. I have to be careful though, because I think they can actually get on you for not cutting your grass around here.
  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    "don't try the bull milk!"

    Thanks for the visual andre - I really needed that..... ;)
  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    you: I have to be careful though, because I think they can actually get on you for not cutting your grass around here.

    me: I'm not even going to take the bait, and get into ownership and constitutional rights here; let's just say your community thinks a picturesque lawn is worth several thousands of gal of gas (townwide)? Hmm, that doesn't motivate me much to change my lifestyle so your townspeople can burn gas for pretty lawns.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    city councils can sometimes exhibit the worst tendencies of democracy....you can easily get very clueless people elected to office and they can do a lot of damage in a short amount of time, having few checks and balances at the local level aside from community censure. So if your community is of a scattered, un-organized bedroom type, the local officials can tyrannize you, or at least madden you with very short-sighted, uninspired decisions.

    Aspen Colorado once ran a live salamander for public office and he....won....(sort of a protest vote you might say).
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    My ski buddy has a reel mower. My gas mower lives at his place, lol. I use the neighbor's rider occasionally to knock down the weeds in what used to be pasture - we've planted too much (mostly xeric) stuff on the acre now to let the goats have at it.

    I ran out of gas whacking weeds on the rider yesterday, so there's another $4.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,038
    I'm not even going to take the bait, and get into ownership and constitutional rights here; let's just say your community thinks a picturesque lawn is worth several thousands of gal of gas (townwide)? Hmm, that doesn't motivate me much to change my lifestyle so your townspeople can burn gas for pretty lawns.

    Oh hell, if I could get away with it, I'd just let everything grow up, except right around the driveway, house, garage, etc. Unfortunately though, if I quit cutting the grass, all I'd really get is a bunch of tall, unruly grass. And eventually these mutant wild flowering pear trees with thorns on them would start taking over. No lie, they really are mutants. We have a local gov't farm where they used to do research and experiments, and back in the 30's or whatever, they were messing around with some kind of flowering pear tree. It started cross-polinating with the local pear trees, and all of the offspring have thorns on them! And they grow much faster than the stickerball trees, maples, and especially oaks, so they just crowd everything out.

    Supposedly, our surrounding area has gotten a few other "presents" from that government farm, such as Japanese Knotweed and honeysuckle bushes.

    So basically, in the areas of the yard I'm trying to let re-forest, I've planted the trees that I want there, and have to cut around them, until they get established at least.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    do you have nettles there? The sting of the nettle I felt at an early age in the metro Seattle area.

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,038
    I just tabulated last month's fuel bill (well, roughly...the month being ~May 10 through ~June 10).

    Here are the highlights...
    $15.50: Uncle's Corolla (drove Grandma down to my Mom's for mother's day, filled it up before giving it back to him)
    $42.50: Silverado
    $54.15: Buddy's Xterra. He drove me up to PA to pick up a '79 NYer, and I paid to fill up his tank when we got back.
    $44.15: Intrepid
    $36.20: Intrepid
    $28.25: Silverado
    $32.00: Uncle's Corolla (borrowed it to drive to Carlisle and back)
    $25.50: Silverado
    $54.60: Filled up the NYer I bought from PA.
    $55.31: Filled up Intrepid, plus a 5-gallon container for lawn equipment.

    Total fuel bill for the billing period: $377.71. I get a 3% rebate using my AAA card, so the actual is a bit less than what adding up the above numbers would come to.

    Anyway, last month's fuel bill was $291.68 in comparison. Sounds bad at first. But if you subtract out me filling up my buddy's Xterra, plus having to fill up that NYer, that knocks off almost $110 right there.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,038
    I had to look up some pics to make sure, but yeah, we have those things, too.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I have far too much lawn. Hopes of letting it grow out have a longer time span than I plan on being there so I mow - mostly with a rechargeable battery mower.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    I read in consumer reports that rechargeable battery mowers are getting a lot better these days. I think that's the way I'll go with my next mower. In the meantime I've replaced a good percentage of my lawn with buffalograss. It took a couple years to establish but now there is zero maintenance involved, not even watering. It only grows to about 5 inches and creates a very natural appearance that does not look unkempt.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    There's something about buffalo grass that our soil (sand, really) doesn't like. We're trying some "Mexican" waving grass - grew the plugs from seeds in fact.

    If we all dump our gas mowers, string trimmers and obnoxious gas leaf blowers, just think of how low the price of gas will go. I'm not giving up my gas chipper/shredder though. :shades:
  • pengwinpengwin Member Posts: 74
    hey, there's a limited quantity, i'll use it while i can.
  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    I was just reading these lawn comments, and thought of how many people hate to do the yard work. That company that makes the robot vvacuums; maybe they're working on the robot lawnmower? :D Now that I'd pay to see!

    I think my gasoline bill is abbout $100/month with mmy 5.7L V-8. Living 4 miles from work, and other driving being optional, the cost of gas is not goiing to affect me directly.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I love the idea. If we could make a working model and patent it we'd make a fortune.

    Who can do nice blueprints around here?
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    There already exists robot lawn mowers you can buy:

    RoboMower
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    There's something about buffalo grass that our soil (sand, really) doesn't like.

    Well there's a lot of different types of buffalograss. They have been engineered for different climates. I'd think that a sandy soil would be better than the clay soil that I grew it in. Anyway, my grass looked like crap the first year. It looked decent the second year and it wasn't until the next year that it looked really good. So there's some patience involved. Here's what I used. I recommend it highly.

    http://www.stockseed.com/buffalograsses_product_display.asp?pid=424
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Spoilsport! I thought we had something going...

    Holy smokes! $1,700! For the smaller one! At Costco!!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    LOL! Andre, you are not exactly the poster boy for fuel-saving, are you?! :-P

    My question is, I was under the impression you didn't drive all that much, and therefore weren't too concerned about mileage?

    I dunno, my total fuel bill is running around $160/month right now with $3.40 gas, and I typically drive in excess of 2000 miles/month.

    I realize that you have a classic fleet there, in which fuel economy was never a top design priority. By contrast, I have boring transportation cars right now. Would you personally make any changes with $4 gas?

    And hey, if the roommate is driving the Intrepid for his commute, how come you are paying for the gas??

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Okay, it is also possible to carry $78.40 worth of groceries 9 miles on a bicycle, no problem. So that's another $1.10 or so in my pocket, added to the .50cents I saved the other day buying birdseed. In a year I could buy a ticket to Hawaii doing this :P

    Just Visiting
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    You do realize that your neighbors letting their lawns go to pot reduces your property values.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    $78.40? Ah. Two bags, right?

    I can tell I'm in better shape. Used to take me a couple of trips to bring in $20 of groceries. Now it's a piece of cake!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    maybe they're working on the robot lawnmower?

    They have them, there was a guy down the street from me that had one, yes had one. Not sure if it walked away on its own or had a little help but its gone now.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It was probably programmed to look for greener pastures!
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    LOL, maybe so.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,131
    Depends on the restaurant :P
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Have you seen little signs in the store? "Lost: one Lawn Roomba. Owner misses it terribly. Reward."
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yes TWO BAGS...in California it's $35 a bag easy....total weight 22 lbs. That's about all I care to carry on a bike, practically speaking. Uphills are not so easy.

    Of course, I recently lost 27 lbs, so I shouldn't even notice!

    Hey, since I've lost 10% of my body weight could that explain my 10% increase in fuel mileage?
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    You do realize that your neighbors letting their lawns go to pot reduces your property values.

    That's an interesting point. A lot of laws are based upon the premise that your right to swing your fists ends at my nose. So if what you do to your property adversely affects your neighbors it becomes a similar situation. Seriously, if how you maintained your residence had no impact on anyone else, why would anyone care? So it's not really a matter of individual or constitutional rights. It's a matter of whether individual actions that can affect others are fair game to regulation?
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    "Hey, since I've lost 10% of my body weight could that explain my 10% increase in fuel mileage?"

    Sure - did you lop 10% off the weight of the car, too?

    27 pounds, huh? THAT I could stand to do. Could almost do another 27 after that. Those pounds are sneaky going on. Now have medical reason to attack it so I'd better get at it.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    WeightWatchers Flex Plan (eat what you want, count points).

    Fantastic...27 lbs in 4 months and gas mileage going up all the time.

    Yes I have effectively taken about 1% weight off my car..that should have a measurable effect I would think.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Once word gets out that your electric bill will go up 20%

    I believe it was 20% - 25% rise in electric bills that caused the Prime Minister of Australia to reject the latest attempt to draw countries into Kyoto.

    You are absolutely correct. It is you and I that will suffer in the pocket book over this whole CO2 issue. I think that science needs to have a lot more HONEST debate on CO2 before the politicians are brought in. CA getting involved is totally based on hysteria with little evidence to back up what they are wanting to accomplish.
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