Midsize Sedans 2.0

rwdfan

I saw this car in Columbus, IN. Just south of Indianapolis. I don't recall the dealer name, but it's the only one in the town. I'm seriously considering it, but I will have to wait until July when the lease of my current car expires. Thanks for the feedback.What's the Popular Equip. Package ?

rwdfan

Thanks for the link, but this is the new Sonata, it's actually a 2011. I'm looking into the previous model, but still new. The price on the 2011 is near $20,000, out of my budget. Thanks anyway.

tenpin288

The article is actually about the 2011. They just have the wrong model year in the headline.

akirby

If you're cash constrained look for a low mileage used vehicle. You'll get a lot more bang for the buck and most will still have factory warranty.

shabadoo25

You can get the base model for a lot less than that sticker price. Unless you mean you really want a $15k sticker and plan on paying $12k...

thegraduate

The PEP includes things like audio controls on the steering wheel, a trip computer, automatic headlights, and a power driver's seat.

acdii

I think I discovered why the Camry still sells well. Old people like soft, cushy, floaty rides. Since you can't buy a Crown Vic anymore, and the Grand Marquis is rarely seen on any lots, they go to Toyota. :shades: Us younger people who like a sporty, much firmer ride, go with the Fusion.

I used to own a Camry Hybrid, the only time that car was quiet was when it was parked. Even with the engine off and in EV it made noise. It was poorly made, had wind noise, the sunroof stuck, and the seat materiel was thin. Toyota quality? NOT! I have over 13K miles on my 2010 Fusion Sport and I don't have a single complaint about it's quality. It took about a week to find many faults in the Camry, and I was very disappointed in the quality. I really don't see the hype in Toyota, I really don't, not after owning a Prius and a Camry. The only thing I guess is the soft mushy ride that old people like.

acdii

Only partially wrong, I admit I missed one part. If you are already maxed out on your deductions, where you pretty much got back what you already paid out, which is where it was when I filed the year I got the Prius, it only netted me about $50. I do understand it takes it off the top, and is not a deduction, but if you are in certain tax brackets, it doesn't do much for you.

The point I was trying to make though is it doesn't take it off the price of the car, you still pay what you pay for the car, it doesn't come off the price of the car, and it wont be until you actually file your taxes that you find out how much you get back with that credit.

In your example, if you got a $7500 tax credit and the max tax you owe was $5000, and with the credit it brought you down to zero tax owed, you only get back the taxes you paid out, so if you paid out $4500, and would have owed $500, you get $4500 back. So in theory it reduces the cost of the car by $4500, but not the $7500 of the tax credit. So it all depends on which tax bracket you are in.

In any case, I still don't see it helping to sell a $40K car the size of a $20K Prius. Not with a Chevy badge on it.

akirby

Correct on all points.

kdshapiro

Never underestimate the residents of California.

carstryke

i agree with your decision....not only will your friends not bash their head trying to get in and out of your sonata, but the venza has a huge crossover ground clearance (8.1) so you can easily take it camping and stuff, and it will swallow your luggage at 30.7 cubic feet

carstryke

you get what you pay for........i found that out first hand with my old Kia

syitalian25

The 2010 Sonata is a good car, they were easily selling the base model anyways before the 2011 came out - now Hyundai is offering ridiculous rebates to try and clear the leftovers off the lots. It's an incredible bargain, especially compared to anything else you are going to get for $15K. A base Civic? HA

explorerx4

hopefully he likes how that 19 inch rim/tire combo rides on other than smooth roads, and doesn't have a heart attack after finding out how much it costs to replace the tires.
are 19 inch rims available on any of the popular mid size sedans?

m6user

He got the V6. I think that comes with 20" threads. Good luck on replacing those.

explorerx4

you can't understate rollin' on dub's, especially when you are over 50.

wayne21

you can't understate rollin' on dub's, especially when you are over 50

I think that in reality I've just outgrown (or perhaps outaged) the midsize vehicle market. And maybe the camry (or venza) is in fact my "crown vic". On the bright side of being over 50 (and always living on yesterday's money instead of tomorrow's) the cost of tires, etc. is insignificant. The 30k limit was an arbitrary number for us (9 months savings). Had we wanted to spend more we certainly would have. But we bought what we both saw as the "vehicle of our wants and needs" and are very happy with the decision.

Enjoyed the forum. May God bless each of you with your car decisions.

explorerx4

you don't have to justify your purchase to me or anyone else, but my thinking is you should have posted on a venza forum about why you bought one instead of a mid size sedan, as opposed to pointing out on mid size sedan forum why none of the best sellers did not meet your needs.

backy

Well, he did evaluate several mid-sized sedans before deciding on the SUV. So it's a lot more on-topic than, e.g., recent threads on an hybrid compact hatchback. Or sticks vs. automatics.

carstryke

I would gladly pay for 20's just to stay out of a bargain car (hyundai/kia) :lemon:

backy

If you don't want to even consider the car that is considered by the likes of Edmunds.com and Car & Driver to be the best in this class, that's your prerogative. And your money.

syitalian25

I got 18's on my Hyundai :-p how much bigger do you need on a sedan? They are not bargain cars anymore

bobad

No. I think the sonata was built for "greenies",

No, the Sonata was built to pass government regulations going into effect for 2015 models. Hyundai is trying to get ahead of the curve, and be the first to meet the new CAFE standards for bragging rights ( I guess). But I know what you mean. Much of the "green" stuff is just a scam.

A lot of hard core 6cyl users are liking the Sonata's i4, saying it has plenty of power. You should have took one for a drive.

cannon3

My 2006 Ford Fusion SEL V6 now has 55,317 miles. Not one problem. No rattles, no squeaks, solid as the first day I drove it off the lot. One thing has popped up. At about 65MPH there is a slight wind noise coming from the right side of the windshield. Radio has to be off to even notice. So far so good. I still enjoy driving the car also. Put Ford on your list of test drives.

m6user

at Hyundai website. 274hp projected and 22cty/34hwy mpg estimated for the new Sonata turbo. No torque numbers posted. A lot more HP than I would have thought and pretty impressive. Wonder if premium will be required.

wolverinejoe80

269lb ft torque! and no premium required! yeay~~

but no manual transmission..

http://jalopnik.com/5505977/2011-hyundai-sonata-turbo-274-hp-34-mpg-no-manual

mz6greyghost

Click me!

I'm glad to see Suzuki be so excited with the reception of the Kizashi, but I haven't seen any out on the road yet, unless they have dealer plates...

ingvar

Agree, I don't care who build a car, I care about how car drives. I use to drive lexus as a daily car, now I'm driving subaru. I love my subaru better than lexus.

tenpin288

Here's the Hyundai link...

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/future-cars.aspx

backy

More horses than the 3.3L V6 in the previous Sonata, and much better fuel economy (nearly the same as the 2.4L engine). NOW we know why Hyundai isn't offering a V6 in the 2011 Sonata.

I read an article last night about the upcoming 3 Series redesign. It noted the inline 6 would still probably be offered, but also turbo 4's. Turbo 4's are also slated for the next-gen 5 Series. Hyundai is ahead of the curve. Let's see if Honda and Toyota keep up when they introduce their next-gen mid-sizers in a couple of years.