Seatle did something the Pats did not.. The defensive line of Seattle gave manning no time to set up or throw. Rushed him all game... Pete Carroll's whole D unit is super fast and that is why even on Mannings 5 yard screen plays lead them nowhere. Denver has not faced a D like that all year.. Seattle's last 4 yrs of defensive draft picks have been superb. Hats off to the Pete Carroll and the Kid QB
Congrats to Seattle Football They deserved to win. Its ashame this superbowl was a stinker!!!
Here in NYC/ NJ area it started to snow at 5am ..We have about 10 inches already.. Thankfully it did not snow game time. That might of neutralize Seattle's great defense..
The way the old NFl set up this system they figured on Champinship games being played on home turf good weather or bad and keeping the superbowls in the domed stadium's or nice climate states so both teams can show off there talents that got them to the big show..
@brian125 said:
Seatle did something the Pats did not.. The defensive line of Seattle gave manning no time to set up or throw. Rushed him all game...
Very true, Pats did not get anywhere near Manning. Not did the secondary contain the Broncos receivers as well. Better team won the AFC. Best team won the Super Bowl. And, now, pitchers and catchers! Go Sox!
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Well, I made it back to denver just fine. Turns out flying out of philly benefited me this morning!
No - certainly wasn't the game I hoped for, but all the credit in the world to Seattle. If the broncos weren't playing, I'd have been rooting for Seattle. Obviously I would've liked to witness denver winning, but at the very least thought it'd be a good game. Not once was there a time to really cheer on my team, right from the get go.
Regrets on spending the money to go? No, not at all. I had a wonderful one-on-one weekend with my son that will always be remembered. And now he can relate to my childhood experiences of watching lopsided losses by the broncos in Super Bowls!
Everything I need, nothing I don't. The closer I get to the end of my lease, the more pot holes I can't avoid, the more snow we get, I'm getting serious about a Subaru as our next car. The XV Crosstrek gets really good reviews & with an MSRP of $23,820 fits the bill of "significantly reducing my vehicular costs."
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@breld, glad you made it out OK. I recall you said you were going out early. Probably lucky you did, since as the day went along a ton of flights (more than 1/4 of the ones scheduled for today) ended up getting scrubbed.
@nyccarguy said:
Everything I need, nothing I don't. The closer I get to the end of my lease, the more pot holes I can't avoid, the more snow we get, I'm getting serious about a Subaru as our next car. The XV Crosstrek gets really good reviews & with an MSRP of $23,820 fits the bill of "significantly reducing my vehicular costs."
Don't blame you on wanting something "durable" I was on a road yesterday that TJC would know (Rt. 30) that was so bad, you couldn't do more than about 10 MPH in the right lane without risking major damage. This is a major, 4 lane road, and a long stretch of it. No chance I go down there again!
That is a big reason I stay away from sport packages and oversized wheels with low profile tires. Not just the stiffer ride, but around here, I want as much sidewall as I can get! 40 series rubber bands just ain't gonna cut it.
For you, the XV has to be too doggy. The outback though, that is a nice package (or a legacy, all the functionality in a sedan with a bit more carlike handling. The Forester is a really nice package though if you want something smaller, even without the turbo motor.
@stickguy said:
For you, the XV has to be too doggy. The outback though, that is a nice package (or a legacy, all the functionality in a sedan with a bit more carlike handling. The Forester is a really nice package though if you want something smaller, even without the turbo motor.
Can you get the XV with a stick? My wife really likes the look of the XV but I've told her that she wouldn't like the way it drives, what with only 148 (?) HP and the CVT transmission.
She asked if there is a 'go fast' version - I told her it was the WRX.
Yeah, you can get the XV with a stick (just the premium (base) model though, not the limited). And get a hatch WRX soon, since the upcoming redesign is 4 door only.
I think the extra ground clearance and extra suspension travel would make the XV Crosstrek ideal for my next ride. I do dig the legacy too and I'm sure the 2.5 motor would be easier to transition to from my BMW's sweet 3.0L Inline 6. The compact design of the Crosstrek are really all I need for commuting purposes. On the days my wife drives it, there's plenty of room in the back for the boys & their high back booster seats. Check out the YouTube review from Motorweek as well as Everyman Driver. The Forester is nice too. I like the previous generation XT with the hood scoop - the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing. Subarus are known for their resale value - I could always trade up from the "doggy" Crosstrek to the 1/4 horse WRX in a few years;)
@Michaell You can get the XV Crosstrek Premium with a stick. Although I believe you get better mileage with the CVT.
A "base" Turbo Forester (2.0 XT Premium) has an MSRP as built of $28,820. $5K more than the "base" Crosstrek. A Forester 2.5i has the same MSRP as the Crosstrek.
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good lease program on the Legacy right now. $189/mo, 36 mos, $1989 due at signing. Crosstrek is 6 mos longer, $60 more per mo, and couple hundred more at onset. Horrible deal in comparison. Forester is a better deal than the crosstrek right now: $239/mo, 36 mos, $1989 due.
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That's another thing I'll look at. Since the next car is literally going to be something to get from A to B, if the lease program on the legacy or the Forester is that much better that will weigh heavily on my decision.
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That's another thing I'll look at. Since the next car is literally going to be something to get from A to B, if the lease program on the legacy or the Forester is that much better that will weigh heavily on my decision.
Keep in mind that those programs are probably allowing just 12k per year; no idea how Subaru deals with requests for higher mileage leases (you need 18K, right?)
And, what does the $1989 cover? I got my E-GT for $230/mo (3 yr/15K with maintenance) with only first payment due at signing. There was $1100 in cash from Hyundai that took care of all the other inception fees.
Obviously you'll take some test drives when the time comes to decide for yourself, but, consistent with what others are saying, I test drove the XV last year and thought it felt quite underpowered at times. There was one point in the drive where I had taken a left turn into a slight incline and the car really struggled to get up to speed.
In contrast, I recently drove a new Forester before leasing the Passat, and I didn't experience any such issues with the 2.5l. Given the minimal pricing difference, I think the Forester is a much better package.
Me, I'm anxious to see VW's upcoming AllTrak, based on the redesigned Sportwagon. Should be a nice poor man's alternative to the Allroad.
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18K? Keep going. Between my BMW & my Prelude, I put about 22,000 miles per year. My wife isn't exactly thrilled with driving the Pilot around all the time so we're actually going to share the new car with a 15K per year lease. I'll drive the new car on Monday, Wednesday, & Saturday to work (195 miles) & she'll drive it to work the other days. When I'm not driving the new car, I'll drive the Pilot or when its nice out and I don't expect too much traffic, I'll take the Prelude. The 15,000 mile per year lease will give us a little over 300 miles per week to split.
Welcome back! Thanks for your input regarding the 2 point slow motor in the XV Crosstrek. Given the minimal price delta (and most likely stronger lease program for the Forester), it might be wise for me to check out a Subie with the 2.5.
Can you elaborate a little more on your thoughts of the Forester?
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18K? Keep going. Between my BMW & my Prelude, I put about 22,000 miles per year. My wife isn't exactly thrilled with driving the Pilot around all the time so we're actually going to share the new car with a 15K per year lease. I'll drive the new car on Monday, Wednesday, & Saturday to work (195 miles) & she'll drive it to work the other days. When I'm not driving the new car, I'll drive the Pilot or when its nice out and I don't expect too much traffic, I'll take the Prelude. The 15,000 mile per year lease will give us a little over 300 miles per week to split.
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Welcome back! Thanks for your input regarding the 2 point slow motor in the XV Crosstrek. Given the minimal price delta (and most likely stronger lease program for the Forester), it might be wise for me to check out a Subie with the 2.5.
Can you elaborate a little more on your thoughts of the Forester?
I must have read that wrong...you have a 195 mile round trip commute to work???
@nyccarguy said:
Can you elaborate a little more on your thoughts of the Forester?
I test drove the Forester that same day I drove the Accord, Passat and Jetta, just to throw in a small SUV in the mix. The dealer was nice enough to just let me take it out on my own, so I was able to go on a nice extended test drive, including some highway driving with some decent inclines. I drove a "Premium" model.
Based on my previous test drives of the Impreza (and XV), I paid close attention to the power, and was very pleased with it. Big difference between that 2.0l and the 2.5l - no problem getting up to speed at a comfortable rate, even climbing some of the hills on my drive.
The CVT was okay - I thought Honda did a better job of it with the Accord, but once I got used to it (mostly the sound) on the Forester test drive, I didn't give it much of a second thought.
I don't recall NVH being an issue, and I did have it up to 70-80 mph on the highway, and I generally pay attention to those kind of things, considering I'm on the highway quite a bit.
Aesthetically, I like the exterior looks of the Forester quite a bit - it still comes off a bit wagon-ish (I mean that as a compliment), but the seating position is high enough to give you a nice commanding view of the road.
Here's my only real knock on the car - the interior design seems to be a generation behind the competitors. Just something about the layout and controls appear outdated to me. It's not even a functionality thing, just the aesthetics.
From what I recall, this Premium model (auto) stickered from around $25k, and I believe could be had for closer to $23k. That model seems to include everything you'd really need, plus a nice pano sunroof. Despite my misgivings on the XV Crosstrek, it does seem to be selling well and, accordingly, commanding less of a discount. Between the two, I think it's a no-brainer for the Forester.
No, I don't have a 195 mile round trip to work. My RT commute is approximately 65 miles. If I do that 3 days per week in my new car, that's 195 miles per week in the new car by me, then 195 miles on the Pilot by me. My wife will drive the new car when I have the Pilot and she'll drive the Pilot when I have the new car.
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No, I don't have a 195 mile round trip to work. My RT commute is approximately 65 miles. If I do that 3 days per week in my new car, that's 195 miles per week in the new car by me, then 195 miles on the Pilot by me. My wife will drive the new car when I have the Pilot and she'll drive the Pilot when I have the new car.
Gotcha! 65 miles is bad enough. I've done that myself.
In California some people have incredible commutes such as from Modesto to San Francisco.
The nearest Arby's restaurant is in Wasilla. People here in Fairbanks are occasionally known to make "Arby's runs" when the urge becomes irresistible (I kid you not!). That's 300 miles. One way.
Some even "stock up" or are generous enough to take orders for their friends. Mmmm MMM!!! Nothing like cold, soggy roast beef sandwiches to get the juices flowing! LOL
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One year, somebody shot a moose that had strolled into downtown Talkeetna. We had moose tacos for months---and they were GOOD! I was driving a Dodge 4X4 then. Wish I had kept that truck.
@xwesx said:
Some even "stock up" or are generous enough to take orders for their friends. Mmmm MMM!!! Nothing like cold, soggy roast beef sandwiches to get the juices flowing! LOL
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I noticed one of your cars is a 68 Cutlass. That brings back fond memories of my grandmother's 68 S hardtop. She special ordered it. Light silver blue, oyster white interior, 350 2bbl, ac ps pb, tinted glass, jetaway trans. I always was surprised how well that 2 sp jetaway responded. The car felt effortlessly quick. I also remember it got about 11 mpg. It was quiet and rode well. Some idiot t-boned it in 1982. Though she had it repaired it was never the same. Sold in 1996 with 45000 miles. Nice car, enjoy!
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No, I don't have a 195 mile round trip to work. My RT commute is approximately 65 miles. If I do that 3 days per week in my new car, that's 195 miles per week in the new car by me, then 195 miles on the Pilot by me. My wife will drive the new car when I have the Pilot and she'll drive the Pilot when I have the new car.
What kind of gas mileage do you get with your Pilot? So far our new to us 2010 EX-L is getting about 18 in daily driving, and the best I've seen is 22 on the road. Replaced the Good Year Forterras with Michelin LTXs. Improved ride and reduced noise somewhat, but no change in gas mileage. Regardless the wife is smitten with it. Happy wife is always good.
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I walk the dog (soon to be a 2nd dog too , but that's for a different forum ), and everyday I pass a previous gen M35 in blue. I like that car ... it looks nice in blue, and it seems very comfortable looking. I've found this used on nearby ... miley, but that doesn't scare me too much as I have a good indie and would have him check it out first. It's a nicely optioned blue 06 M35 with 70K. I think it would be good for longer drives and very comfortable, while still cheap and old enough not to worry about too much. I don't know the proper price for something like this. Here is is http://www.eastbayautobrokers.net/2006_Infiniti_M35_Walnut Creek_CA_224424006.veh
@sda said:
Ab348
I noticed one of your cars is a 68 Cutlass. That brings back fond memories of my grandmother's 68 S hardtop. She special ordered it. Light silver blue, oyster white interior, 350 2bbl, ac ps pb, tinted glass, jetaway trans. I always was surprised how well that 2 sp jetaway responded. The car felt effortlessly quick. I also remember it got about 11 mpg. It was quiet and rode well. Some idiot t-boned it in 1982. Though she had it repaired it was never the same. Sold in 1996 with 45000 miles. Nice car, enjoy!
Thank you! Mine is a "S" holiday coupe too. I bought it in 1993 from the original owner, a little old lady who apparently never married and hardly ever used it. It wasn't all that pristine, though, and suffered from neglect. It only had 35,000 miles on it when I bought it. It was a typical car for the times from around here - Jetaway automatic, PS, PB (drums all around), AM radio, and wheel covers, that's all. It was originally painted Ocean Turquoise, really more medium blue metallic than turquoise, and has a black vinyl interior. I wasn't thrilled with the colors - your grandmothers car sounds much more appealing - so when I had it redone I had the body shop change the paint to Scarlet, the medium red that Olds offered that year and which I thought went better with the black interior. It is a good color but with the passage of time I wish I had kept it in the original shade.
I actually used it as a not-so-daily driver for the first few years I had it - I originally bought it as a beater - but after it was painted it was too nice to drive all the time, so then I began doing things to it. I added Olds Super Stock wheels, white letter tires, converted it to a factory 4-bbl setup with dual exhaust, added a factory cutout rear bumper with the Olds exhaust trumpets, AM-FM, and a factory 8-track. The last few years I have barely driven it but this year I will retire and hope to get back into using it a bit more.
We switched to the Michelins too. Much quieter ride & they'll hopefully last a lot longer. Our good years were shot by 31K miles.
As you know, gas mileage isn't the Pilot's strong suit. According to my fuelly dash board, my wife averages 15.9 mpg. Her best tank was 19.6. There have been some real doozies in there. Last fill up was 13.7.
The space is incredible. We've got plenty of room for our family of 5. The kids usually sit together in the 2nd row. Need to pick up my (almost 97 year old) Grandma? No problem. Flip the 3rd row up, throw the boys' booster seats in the back, & my wife sits in the second row w/ our daughter, Grandma rides shot gun.
It really has a nice, controlled, comfortable ride. It drives great in the snow. The 4WD system is pretty sophisticated.
My wife's major complaint is that there are too many of them. She's literally walked out to the wrong Pilot a few times that was parked just a few spaces away from hers.
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took a step today toward needing a car again. Applied for a new job, that if I get will likely mean going back to being an in-office person instead of sitting around the house going loony toony by myself (WFH). So, I would need some transportation of my own.
Not a big deal really, since at least to start it would probably be working back in center city, meaning taking the commuter train, and that station is just about a mile from my house (I walk to it on occasion, but would not do it every day). Company is opening an office out in the Burbs in June that would be about 5 miles away, so hopefully would be able to relo out there to save on commute time and $. Job would even have some travel, so rental cars baby!
My immediate plan for this is to make my son pay for the car. That is, he would have to finally buy himself a new one (and he is really looking at this by the end of the month), so I could just repo the TL that I am already paying for, so to me, a "free" car (actually better than free, since I can drop the kid off the insurance, keeping the car on it).
Now, moving to a burbs job in the summer would be perfect excuse to pull off my plan of selling 2 cars and getting myself something new(er) and more fun, since I would be driving it daily for a decent amount of time.
Now just need to get the job, of course with enough of a raise to pay for the looming college bills for kid #2, with something left over for the wheels!
@Bradd, I know what you mean about common cars. I used to have a silver accord. talk about common. one reason I never fixed the damaged front bumper. made it easier to spot!
Wife and I actually walked up to the wrong RDX recently (and that is much less common). Same color, parked a few spots up the row. I would have gone to the door if I hadn't noticed a license plate frame from a different dealer!
@stickguy said:
took a step today toward needing a car again. Applied for a new job, that if I get will likely mean going back to being an in-office person instead of sitting around the house going loony toony by myself (WFH). So, I would need some transportation of my own.
Not a big deal really, since at least to start it would probably be working back in center city, meaning taking the commuter train, and that station is just about a mile from my house (I walk to it on occasion, but would not do it every day). Company is opening an office out in the Burbs in June that would be about 5 miles away, so hopefully would be able to relo out there to save on commute time and $. Job would even have some travel, so rental cars baby!
My immediate plan for this is to make my son pay for the car. That is, he would have to finally buy himself a new one (and he is really looking at this by the end of the month), so I could just repo the TL that I am already paying for, so to me, a "free" car (actually better than free, since I can drop the kid off the insurance, keeping the car on it).
Now, moving to a burbs job in the summer would be perfect excuse to pull off my plan of selling 2 cars and getting myself something new(er) and more fun, since I would be driving it daily for a decent amount of time.
Now just need to get the job, of course with enough of a raise to pay for the looming college bills for kid #2, with something left over for the wheels!
Stick, good luck with the new job opportunity. The lengths we go to around here to justify a new car!
Not sure I could ever go back to working in an office - I've been WFH now for 5+ years and love it. It helps that I've got a dedicated home office to work in.
Keep us posted and, as always, we're here to help you spend your money when it comes time for some new wheels.
Taking the Leaf in for 12-mo service tomorrow. I'll be waiting around for it and she said it could take a couple of hours. hmmm... what to do, what to do.
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@qbrozen said:
Taking the Leaf in for 12-mo service tomorrow. I'll be waiting around for it and she said it could take a couple of hours. hmmm... what to do, what to do.
Hah! Somehow, I think you will have no problem filling out that time.
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@qbrozen said:
Taking the Leaf in for 12-mo service tomorrow. I'll be waiting around for it and she said it could take a couple of hours. hmmm... what to do, what to do.
What could possibly take a couple of hours to service on an EV?
Nonetheless, good that you'll have time to wander the lot and see what appeals to you.
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Seatle did something the Pats did not.. The defensive line of Seattle gave manning no time to set up or throw. Rushed him all game... Pete Carroll's whole D unit is super fast and that is why even on Mannings 5 yard screen plays lead them nowhere. Denver has not faced a D like that all year.. Seattle's last 4 yrs of defensive draft picks have been superb. Hats off to the Pete Carroll and the Kid QB
Congrats to Seattle Football They deserved to win. Its ashame this superbowl was a stinker!!!
Here in NYC/ NJ area it started to snow at 5am ..We have about 10 inches already.. Thankfully it did not snow game time. That might of neutralize Seattle's great defense..
The way the old NFl set up this system they figured on Champinship games being played on home turf good weather or bad and keeping the superbowls in the domed stadium's or nice climate states so both teams can show off there talents that got them to the big show..
Cant agree more
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Very true, Pats did not get anywhere near Manning. Not did the secondary contain the Broncos receivers as well. Better team won the AFC. Best team won the Super Bowl. And, now, pitchers and catchers! Go Sox!
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Well, I made it back to denver just fine. Turns out flying out of philly benefited me this morning!
No - certainly wasn't the game I hoped for, but all the credit in the world to Seattle. If the broncos weren't playing, I'd have been rooting for Seattle. Obviously I would've liked to witness denver winning, but at the very least thought it'd be a good game. Not once was there a time to really cheer on my team, right from the get go.
Regrets on spending the money to go? No, not at all. I had a wonderful one-on-one weekend with my son that will always be remembered. And now he can relate to my childhood experiences of watching lopsided losses by the broncos in Super Bowls!
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Amen to pitchers & catchers! We just have a differentiation of opinion of which team to root for;). Let's go Yankees!
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Everything I need, nothing I don't. The closer I get to the end of my lease, the more pot holes I can't avoid, the more snow we get, I'm getting serious about a Subaru as our next car. The XV Crosstrek gets really good reviews & with an MSRP of $23,820 fits the bill of "significantly reducing my vehicular costs."
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@breld, glad you made it out OK. I recall you said you were going out early. Probably lucky you did, since as the day went along a ton of flights (more than 1/4 of the ones scheduled for today) ended up getting scrubbed.
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Don't blame you on wanting something "durable" I was on a road yesterday that TJC would know (Rt. 30) that was so bad, you couldn't do more than about 10 MPH in the right lane without risking major damage. This is a major, 4 lane road, and a long stretch of it. No chance I go down there again!
That is a big reason I stay away from sport packages and oversized wheels with low profile tires. Not just the stiffer ride, but around here, I want as much sidewall as I can get! 40 series rubber bands just ain't gonna cut it.
For you, the XV has to be too doggy. The outback though, that is a nice package (or a legacy, all the functionality in a sedan with a bit more carlike handling. The Forester is a really nice package though if you want something smaller, even without the turbo motor.
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Can you get the XV with a stick? My wife really likes the look of the XV but I've told her that she wouldn't like the way it drives, what with only 148 (?) HP and the CVT transmission.
She asked if there is a 'go fast' version - I told her it was the WRX.
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Yeah, you can get the XV with a stick (just the premium (base) model though, not the limited). And get a hatch WRX soon, since the upcoming redesign is 4 door only.
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@stickguy
I think the extra ground clearance and extra suspension travel would make the XV Crosstrek ideal for my next ride. I do dig the legacy too and I'm sure the 2.5 motor would be easier to transition to from my BMW's sweet 3.0L Inline 6. The compact design of the Crosstrek are really all I need for commuting purposes. On the days my wife drives it, there's plenty of room in the back for the boys & their high back booster seats. Check out the YouTube review from Motorweek as well as Everyman Driver. The Forester is nice too. I like the previous generation XT with the hood scoop - the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing. Subarus are known for their resale value - I could always trade up from the "doggy" Crosstrek to the 1/4 horse WRX in a few years;)
@Michaell You can get the XV Crosstrek Premium with a stick. Although I believe you get better mileage with the CVT.
A "base" Turbo Forester (2.0 XT Premium) has an MSRP as built of $28,820. $5K more than the "base" Crosstrek. A Forester 2.5i has the same MSRP as the Crosstrek.
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NYC....don't let us down....at least go for the WRX....
good lease program on the Legacy right now. $189/mo, 36 mos, $1989 due at signing. Crosstrek is 6 mos longer, $60 more per mo, and couple hundred more at onset. Horrible deal in comparison. Forester is a better deal than the crosstrek right now: $239/mo, 36 mos, $1989 due.
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Cheap for a legacy. Too bad I don't need one. That and I could never live with a base model.
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@qbrozen
That's another thing I'll look at. Since the next car is literally going to be something to get from A to B, if the lease program on the legacy or the Forester is that much better that will weigh heavily on my decision.
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Keep in mind that those programs are probably allowing just 12k per year; no idea how Subaru deals with requests for higher mileage leases (you need 18K, right?)
And, what does the $1989 cover? I got my E-GT for $230/mo (3 yr/15K with maintenance) with only first payment due at signing. There was $1100 in cash from Hyundai that took care of all the other inception fees.
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Obviously you'll take some test drives when the time comes to decide for yourself, but, consistent with what others are saying, I test drove the XV last year and thought it felt quite underpowered at times. There was one point in the drive where I had taken a left turn into a slight incline and the car really struggled to get up to speed.
In contrast, I recently drove a new Forester before leasing the Passat, and I didn't experience any such issues with the 2.5l. Given the minimal pricing difference, I think the Forester is a much better package.
Me, I'm anxious to see VW's upcoming AllTrak, based on the redesigned Sportwagon. Should be a nice poor man's alternative to the Allroad.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
I want to see a new A3. Pretty sure I am going to love if. Perfect size and everything
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
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@michaell
18K? Keep going. Between my BMW & my Prelude, I put about 22,000 miles per year. My wife isn't exactly thrilled with driving the Pilot around all the time so we're actually going to share the new car with a 15K per year lease. I'll drive the new car on Monday, Wednesday, & Saturday to work (195 miles) & she'll drive it to work the other days. When I'm not driving the new car, I'll drive the Pilot or when its nice out and I don't expect too much traffic, I'll take the Prelude. The 15,000 mile per year lease will give us a little over 300 miles per week to split.
@breld
Welcome back! Thanks for your input regarding the 2 point slow motor in the XV Crosstrek. Given the minimal price delta (and most likely stronger lease program for the Forester), it might be wise for me to check out a Subie with the 2.5.
Can you elaborate a little more on your thoughts of the Forester?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD, 2025 Toyota Camry SE AWD
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I must have read that wrong...you have a 195 mile round trip commute to work???
I test drove the Forester that same day I drove the Accord, Passat and Jetta, just to throw in a small SUV in the mix. The dealer was nice enough to just let me take it out on my own, so I was able to go on a nice extended test drive, including some highway driving with some decent inclines. I drove a "Premium" model.
Based on my previous test drives of the Impreza (and XV), I paid close attention to the power, and was very pleased with it. Big difference between that 2.0l and the 2.5l - no problem getting up to speed at a comfortable rate, even climbing some of the hills on my drive.
The CVT was okay - I thought Honda did a better job of it with the Accord, but once I got used to it (mostly the sound) on the Forester test drive, I didn't give it much of a second thought.
I don't recall NVH being an issue, and I did have it up to 70-80 mph on the highway, and I generally pay attention to those kind of things, considering I'm on the highway quite a bit.
Aesthetically, I like the exterior looks of the Forester quite a bit - it still comes off a bit wagon-ish (I mean that as a compliment), but the seating position is high enough to give you a nice commanding view of the road.
Here's my only real knock on the car - the interior design seems to be a generation behind the competitors. Just something about the layout and controls appear outdated to me. It's not even a functionality thing, just the aesthetics.
From what I recall, this Premium model (auto) stickered from around $25k, and I believe could be had for closer to $23k. That model seems to include everything you'd really need, plus a nice pano sunroof. Despite my misgivings on the XV Crosstrek, it does seem to be selling well and, accordingly, commanding less of a discount. Between the two, I think it's a no-brainer for the Forester.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
65 mile round trip, I think.
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I'll need more than that for that kind of work.
@isellhondas
No, I don't have a 195 mile round trip to work. My RT commute is approximately 65 miles. If I do that 3 days per week in my new car, that's 195 miles per week in the new car by me, then 195 miles on the Pilot by me. My wife will drive the new car when I have the Pilot and she'll drive the Pilot when I have the new car.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD, 2025 Toyota Camry SE AWD
@breld
Thanks! Your opinion means a lot, since we've got very similar taste in cars!
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No problem - happy to share. Looking forward to your car search this year.
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Gotcha! 65 miles is bad enough. I've done that myself.
In California some people have incredible commutes such as from Modesto to San Francisco.
That's at least 2.5 hours each way! Not for me!
We'd drive 100 miles for a taco in California. No problem.
In So. Calif you wouldn't have to walk more than a couple of blocks for a taco!
@isellhondas said:
Well, there are tacos, and then there are tacos!
Very true. Some of the BEST I've had came from the food trucks!
I have to drive an hour for a mediocre one. The good ones are two hours away, but I always spring for the arroz con mariscos.
Here's another "there's a glut of used cars" story:
Used Car Prices Falling as Inventory Grows
The fallout for new car buyers is that your next lease may cost a bit more since residual values should fall.
I can't argue with that!
The nearest Arby's restaurant is in Wasilla. People here in Fairbanks are occasionally known to make "Arby's runs" when the urge becomes irresistible (I kid you not!). That's 300 miles. One way.
Some even "stock up" or are generous enough to take orders for their friends. Mmmm MMM!!! Nothing like cold, soggy roast beef sandwiches to get the juices flowing! LOL
One year, somebody shot a moose that had strolled into downtown Talkeetna. We had moose tacos for months---and they were GOOD! I was driving a Dodge 4X4 then. Wish I had kept that truck.
Wow. Around here they can't stay in business.
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I noticed one of your cars is a 68 Cutlass. That brings back fond memories of my grandmother's 68 S hardtop. She special ordered it. Light silver blue, oyster white interior, 350 2bbl, ac ps pb, tinted glass, jetaway trans. I always was surprised how well that 2 sp jetaway responded. The car felt effortlessly quick. I also remember it got about 11 mpg. It was quiet and rode well. Some idiot t-boned it in 1982. Though she had it repaired it was never the same. Sold in 1996 with 45000 miles. Nice car, enjoy!
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
What kind of gas mileage do you get with your Pilot? So far our new to us 2010 EX-L is getting about 18 in daily driving, and the best I've seen is 22 on the road. Replaced the Good Year Forterras with Michelin LTXs. Improved ride and reduced noise somewhat, but no change in gas mileage. Regardless the wife is smitten with it. Happy wife is always good.
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I walk the dog (soon to be a 2nd dog too , but that's for a different forum
), and everyday I pass a previous gen M35 in blue. I like that car ... it looks nice in blue, and it seems very comfortable looking. I've found this used on nearby ... miley, but that doesn't scare me too much as I have a good indie and would have him check it out first. It's a nicely optioned blue 06 M35 with 70K. I think it would be good for longer drives and very comfortable, while still cheap and old enough not to worry about too much. I don't know the proper price for something like this. Here is is http://www.eastbayautobrokers.net/2006_Infiniti_M35_Walnut Creek_CA_224424006.veh
Thank you! Mine is a "S" holiday coupe too. I bought it in 1993 from the original owner, a little old lady who apparently never married and hardly ever used it. It wasn't all that pristine, though, and suffered from neglect. It only had 35,000 miles on it when I bought it. It was a typical car for the times from around here - Jetaway automatic, PS, PB (drums all around), AM radio, and wheel covers, that's all. It was originally painted Ocean Turquoise, really more medium blue metallic than turquoise, and has a black vinyl interior. I wasn't thrilled with the colors - your grandmothers car sounds much more appealing - so when I had it redone I had the body shop change the paint to Scarlet, the medium red that Olds offered that year and which I thought went better with the black interior. It is a good color but with the passage of time I wish I had kept it in the original shade.
I actually used it as a not-so-daily driver for the first few years I had it - I originally bought it as a beater - but after it was painted it was too nice to drive all the time, so then I began doing things to it. I added Olds Super Stock wheels, white letter tires, converted it to a factory 4-bbl setup with dual exhaust, added a factory cutout rear bumper with the Olds exhaust trumpets, AM-FM, and a factory 8-track. The last few years I have barely driven it but this year I will retire and hope to get back into using it a bit more.
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@sda
We switched to the Michelins too. Much quieter ride & they'll hopefully last a lot longer. Our good years were shot by 31K miles.
As you know, gas mileage isn't the Pilot's strong suit. According to my fuelly dash board, my wife averages 15.9 mpg. Her best tank was 19.6. There have been some real doozies in there. Last fill up was 13.7.
The space is incredible. We've got plenty of room for our family of 5. The kids usually sit together in the 2nd row. Need to pick up my (almost 97 year old) Grandma? No problem. Flip the 3rd row up, throw the boys' booster seats in the back, & my wife sits in the second row w/ our daughter, Grandma rides shot gun.
It really has a nice, controlled, comfortable ride. It drives great in the snow. The 4WD system is pretty sophisticated.
My wife's major complaint is that there are too many of them. She's literally walked out to the wrong Pilot a few times that was parked just a few spaces away from hers.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD, 2025 Toyota Camry SE AWD
took a step today toward needing a car again. Applied for a new job, that if I get will likely mean going back to being an in-office person instead of sitting around the house going loony toony by myself (WFH). So, I would need some transportation of my own.
Not a big deal really, since at least to start it would probably be working back in center city, meaning taking the commuter train, and that station is just about a mile from my house (I walk to it on occasion, but would not do it every day). Company is opening an office out in the Burbs in June that would be about 5 miles away, so hopefully would be able to relo out there to save on commute time and $. Job would even have some travel, so rental cars baby!
My immediate plan for this is to make my son pay for the car. That is, he would have to finally buy himself a new one (and he is really looking at this by the end of the month), so I could just repo the TL that I am already paying for, so to me, a "free" car (actually better than free, since I can drop the kid off the insurance, keeping the car on it).
Now, moving to a burbs job in the summer would be perfect excuse to pull off my plan of selling 2 cars and getting myself something new(er) and more fun, since I would be driving it daily for a decent amount of time.
Now just need to get the job, of course with enough of a raise to pay for the looming college bills for kid #2, with something left over for the wheels!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
@Bradd, I know what you mean about common cars. I used to have a silver accord. talk about common. one reason I never fixed the damaged front bumper. made it easier to spot!
Wife and I actually walked up to the wrong RDX recently (and that is much less common). Same color, parked a few spots up the row. I would have gone to the door if I hadn't noticed a license plate frame from a different dealer!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
@stickguy, good luck with the job! Oh, and I got to drive the WHP you were talking about earlier. Holy crap, they need to fix it.
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Stick, good luck with the new job opportunity. The lengths we go to around here to justify a new car!
Not sure I could ever go back to working in an office - I've been WFH now for 5+ years and love it. It helps that I've got a dedicated home office to work in.
Keep us posted and, as always, we're here to help you spend your money when it comes time for some new wheels.
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Taking the Leaf in for 12-mo service tomorrow. I'll be waiting around for it and she said it could take a couple of hours. hmmm... what to do, what to do.
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Hah! Somehow, I think you will have no problem filling out that time.
What could possibly take a couple of hours to service on an EV?
Nonetheless, good that you'll have time to wander the lot and see what appeals to you.
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Hopefully they don't charge him to change the oil
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.