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Drive both and you would never be satisfied with the 4Runner.
but it is the most genuine off roader ever made , barring the Land Cruiser. People don't buy it for its aesthetics and beauty. IT is bought by those who want ruggedness and longetivity. There are many 20 year old 4Runners still running in the USA then any other SUV.
Global cumulative sales for the Prius nameplate, when the Prius liftback is included, add up to 5,264,307 units through July 2015. Sales started in Japan in '97. Total Toyota hybrid sales are around 8 million. (Wikipedia)
The Scion brand has been around since '04 and I bet it hasn't sold 1 million cumulatively (176k in '06, 68k in '13). That's the losing model model.
Chattanooga is now making 85% of all Passats, and annual production numbers are pushing 600,000.
For all you diesel haters that think I am ANTI gas hybrid, I considered the 2003/2004, putting app 400 miles on a 2004 Prius demonstrator.. @ that time it was $7,000 more than the diesel (best deals on both). Combined with getting 43/44 mpg Prius,50 mpg VW J TDI, and liking the TDI's highway performance, the numbers were a no brainer in the commute slough.
Rumor is that Toyota makes $3,100 US on every Prius sold. (PriusChat)
Mr. Lutz claims that the Volt was close to breaking even back in 2012. (Forbes)
If the rumors are true that Prius makes $3,100 per unit and VW makes approximately $850 per unit .... There is no doubt in my mind that the VW diesel was, is, remains the better choice.
I am not sure how GM's number have nexus with Toyota's numbers?
IF I were to F/F to what I know today (about the two brands), I am not so sure I would chose Toyota again. (even if they had diesel models)
Actually, by the time the smoke clears, it may be several thousand that VW loses on every 2.0l TDI sold in the US. So yeah, you done good, lol.
The anti-diesel folks amongst us MIGHT need use a calculator for the 43 mpg versus 50 mpg over 180,000 miles .
Thank you ! IF VW is able to weather this fiasco well, which I think they will, diesels will offer even better value for at least another 10 years, after all is settled UP, & things settle down.
"Driving Dynamics" and the "Ultimate Driving Machine "., is a over used cliche by the Germans
That was one reason why I bought the 2009 VW Jetta TDI! The 2010 was the first of the DE-contented versions. The 2014 MB 250 BT is made for the American markets, but still made in Germany. Now what that means in comparison is difficult to contrast.
One real glaring example is the Chevrolet Cruze diesel : costs about $8000 more then a gas Cruze ! There's a whole discussion on the points, but I will go into I only if folks want to.
Slow news diesel day ! Only caught a - minus 3% move on the downside on "some chicken little " type articles published about VW TDI's.
Yes, a lot of car journalism mimics wine tasting prose! "Fruity with a good nose" to use a bad example. But yet either to both can be good from the sublime to rip roaring comedy!
So.... If you are given the choice of getting recall applied, lowering NOX emissions and lowering MPG, will you get the recall applied to your vehicle? (Sounds like there won't be any choice in some states, but if you have the choice, what would you do?)
So for example on the 2012 VW Touareg TDI, one would expect a ZF 8 speed A/T ! Instead it is an " AISIN" 8 speed automatic transmission. I would daresay/swag it's probably cheaper and better than the ZF?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
In comparison, that's three VW diesel's and one Mercedes-Benz diesel: all with far less diesel miles. I will continue to say, until it becomes not true , aka changes, that the Toyota gas Land Cruiser's are much more fussy.
He bought it that way. He was on a very small budget and needed a 4 wheel drive where he was living in AK. Yes it was probably used and abused. Not uncommon in AK. Still a 6 year old vehicle should NOT be rusted through. He kept it a few years and bought a used 2002 Yukon. He likes it much better than the 4Runner. It is now 13 years old with 10 years on AK salted roads and NO rust. Toyota has rust issues. So much for their great reliability.
On Friday, Toyota Motor Sales USA Inc. was slammed with a class action lawsuit alleging that its popular truck model, the Toyota Tacoma, suffers from a defect making that model particularly vulnerable to rust.
“Toyota USA has long known that the frames on its Tacoma vehicles lack adequate rust corrosion protection,” the Toyota Tacoma class action lawsuit says. “Despite this knowledge, Toyota USA failed to disclose the existence of this defect to plaintiff and other class members at the time of sale.”
Most folks do not care for their vehicles like they should. That is another reason why I like to evaluate a car on 12 years/180,000 miles. IF one can get it to those parameters, it's easy to get it to 24 years & @ 360,000 miles. Most people, as you would agree, probably do not think in those terms, let alone do the minimum maintenance needed.
So for another example, we had change the SHOCKS on a 1994 TLC.@ app 21 years/ 250,000 miles. The shocks made by an OEM supplier, sold under its own brand name, cost $207, shpd to my door. Naturally, I could DIY, or pay shop time.
The funny part is I may have changed the shocks way too early. Crazy you say? Well, one clue, with more than 4 variables: all tire sets have gone 90,000 miles. We changed the last set a tad early because one tire developed a bubble. That of course is probably not the shocks fault.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
The pound is valuable partly because it has a legacy from the past where it 240 pence. It has gradually lost value over time, especially since being floated. I think it was at about $2.50 at the time of decimalization, now maybe $1.55 today/
Most of the vehicles are diesel, but not all. VW said carbon dioxide levels “and thus the fuel consumption figures for some models were set too low during the CO2 certification process. The majority of the vehicles concerned have diesel engines.”
VW admits to new problem in 800,000 cars (Detroit News)
Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, noted that Europe's largest carmaker has said it will expand production of electric and hybrid cars and said that was a silver lining to its cheating on diesel emissions tests."
U.N. official 'delighted' at VW scandal, sees clean car 'revolution' (thefiscaltimes.com)
Figueres is from Costa Rica.
Interesting bio
Of course, dieselgate has been blamed on software engineers. Oops, current CEO Müller studied computer engineering science.
USA is a highly competitive and price sensitive market . So cars are priced and speced according to what the market can take. Same applies to rental cars. US rental rates are dirt cheap most times for mass market cars. Where in Europe can you rent a mid-size car for 25$ a day ?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Only industry they have is miles of lovely beaches .
Warren Buffet can buy the whole damn " country " without breaking sweat
Yep ! ( code for HELL NO! ) When asked to take one for the team, it's called NIMBY!
Delighted...ugh.
Of course, that US rental midsizer will also be a fleet-specific (minimal) spec if not a fleet specific model. I can usually rent a luxury car much cheaper in Europe than in the US too, so that evens out.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/30/truth-behind-costa-rica-renewable-energy-reservoirs-climate-change
Porsche Cars North America Statement Regarding Voluntary Stop Sale of Porsche Cayenne Diesel Vehicles (prnewswire.com)
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Only industry they have is miles of lovely beaches .
Warren Buffet can buy the whole damn " country " without breaking sweat