Real-World Trade-In Values

qbrozen · November 2016

explorerx4 said:

The discussion did get somewhat derailed, but I was hoping for some sort of ballpark # on the F150. I know comps are going to be tough to find. A SWAG is ok, too.

You may have overlooked my reply. I said $8500 is the limit in a "must have" situation. I have a feeling $7500 might be their bottom line, however.

explorerx4 · November 2016

Sorry Q, I missed it.
Thanks again Mr_Shiftright.

explorerx4 · November 2016

If I buy this truck, I have to hide it until the beginning of next July.
Everyone is coming here for Thanksgiving, so I'm not going to do anything until after that.
I did figure out that since our company has a parking lot we share with a condo complex, I can put a hang tag on it a let it sit there for a while, if needed.

explorerx4 · November 2016

Truck I was asking about is no longer listed, so someone snapped it up.

robbieg · November 2016

Our lease is nearing the end. Wondering if we have anything positive.

In Pittsburgh, PA
2014 Toyota Highlander XLE AWD
Black with Black.
Options - floormats other than that nothing (no tow hitch, no cargo cover, no 2nd row captains chairs, no dvd)
33,000

Pretty sure we will just trade it in on a 2017 Highlander if they ever come out. But might try something new.

qbrozen · November 2016

About $26k

jkipster · November 2016

Can you please estimate a value on a 2016 BMW 428I GC (hatchback) Rwd in mineral grey on black leather interior with 12k miles? It has premium, driver assist, tech, and heated seats and was sold in the eastern auction around August. Listed for sale in LA now.

qbrozen · November 2016

I'll be damned if I can find a listing for the GC.

qbrozen · November 2016

All I can provide are numbers for sedans. With those miles, about $36-37k at auction. Meaning $34-35k trade and $39-40k retail, not including CPO.

jkipster · November 2016

qbrozen said:

All I can provide are numbers for sedans. With those miles, about $36-37k at auction. Meaning $34-35k trade and $39-40k retail, not including CPO.

Thank you Q!

driver100 · November 2016

Q, can I get a real trade in value for a 2013 VW Passat SE manual transmission in mint condition....like new with under 7000 miles on the odometer?

Want to buy a CPO 2014 Mercedes C250 with 12600 miles on it in perfect condition, with maximum 5 year 100000 mile warranty which they have listed at $25187.(an AutoNation dealer)

Thanks in advance for any help or guidance.

qbrozen · November 2016

This is a 2.5 Passat, yes? Feel like I value this one before. $11k is about right, unfortunately.

The Benz is around $19k, give or take a nickel. So its a genuine MB CPO? If so, I can see their reasoning for $25k.

driver100 · November 2016

qbrozen said:
This is a 2.5 Passat, yes? Feel like I value this one before. $11k is about right, unfortunately.

The Benz is around $19k, give or take a nickel. So its a genuine MB CPO? If so, I can see their reasoning for $25k.

Thanks for the info.....much appreciated! (it is a 2.5 and the Mercedes is highest ranked CPO, 5 year 100k mile warranty))

driver100 · November 2016

btw....I think that is the first time I asked...unless you have been following C&C. (cars and conversation)

qbrozen · November 2016

I do follow that. It is possible I priced it there, or maybe I just thought about it. ha.

andres3 · November 2016

sda said:

henryn said:

kyfdx said:

stickguy said:
nice looking audi, but seems pricey for that age. Not sure I trust one from that vintage.
Yeah... they got the TSI engine upgrade in 2009.

Really low miles on that one. Stick-shift quattro wagons are like hen's teeth.
Probably only looking at it, because it's less than 30 minutes away.
It was a mid-year 2008 changeover, at least for the Passat. The 2008 Passat I owned had the TSI engine.
And your were lucky to have the TSI! The FSI in my '06 Passat, smooth, powerful (fun), economical used oil at around 750-900/qt and was always triggering the CEI for multiple reasons on a regular basis. If I could make it 6 weeks without a visit to the VW dealer I was doing well. I really liked that car but it soured me on VWs--at least for a while.

My '06 A3 had the FSI and I drove it nearly 8 years and 106,000 miles with little trouble. It drank an acceptably low amount of oil, about 1 quart/5,000 miles, consistently throughout its whole life.

Michaell · November 2016

One for @qbrozen -

San Diego - 2006 Lincoln Navigator. Black over grey leather. 157K. Fair condition.

My sister doesn't want to sell it privately, even though I've encouraged her to do so.

So, trade value? She's hoping for $3K.

qbrozen · November 2016

2wd or 4wd? Luxury or Ultimate?

Michaell · November 2016

qbrozen said:
2wd or 4wd? Luxury or Ultimate?

2WD. Not sure about trim level, though I'd guess Luxury.

qbrozen · November 2016

$3k is about auction value for good ones so she is probably looking at $2k, maybe $2500 on a push.

Michaell · November 2016

qbrozen said:
$3k is about auction value for good ones so she is probably looking at $2k, maybe $2500 on a push.

Thanks - not as much as she had hoped, but I know she could get $3-4K for it private party. Those are still pretty desirable vehicles in CA.

henryn · November 2016

Depending on exactly what "fair condition" really means....

Good condition would easily bring $5k here in Houston.

Poor condition? Probably $2.5 to $3k.

Mr_Shiftright · November 2016

In CA, a high mileage example. all spiffed up and lookin' good, would bring $4000 to $5000 retail. If it's dented or shabby inside, deduct accordingly.

Michaell · November 2016

Mr_Shiftright said:
In CA, a high mileage example. all spiffed up and lookin' good, would bring $4000 to $5000 retail. If it's dented or shabby inside, deduct accordingly.

I saw it briefly, earlier this year.

OK on the outside, a bit shabby on the inside.

The requisite dubs, however - sis gotta have her bling.

Mr_Shiftright · November 2016

Well hang $3995 on it and see what happens. Maybe a day with shampoo and a brush would help (referring to the car of course)

henryn · November 2016

@Michaell already said: "My sister doesn't want to sell it privately, even though I've encouraged her to do so."

So it sounds like that option is off the table. And I can readily understand why a woman would feel that way. Some of the flakes I've had to deal with selling cars privately have made me nervous, and I'm big and mean.

Michaell · November 2016

henryn said:
@Michaell already said: "My sister doesn't want to sell it privately, even though I've encouraged her to do so."

So it sounds like that option is off the table. And I can readily understand why a woman would feel that way. Some of the flakes I've had to deal with selling cars privately have made me nervous, and I'm big and mean.

My sister is married, to a comptroller. Not sure how much help he would be in getting it sold privately.

I've given her the prices shared here (trade in and private sale) - she's intrigued by the extra money of selling it privately, as any dollar realized from the sale would go into the kitty for son #2 to get a car. She's thinking of a budget between $5-6K for something with reasonably low miles and decent gas mileage.

Michaell · November 2016

What's a good target price for this?

http://www.vtekautoinc.com/mobile/mdetails.aspx?VID=266173717

qbrozen · November 2016

The only 2 comps with similar miles were deemed above average condition and scored $3k each, putting a fair retail purchase in the $5k-$5500 range. Its all about the condition on this one, of course.

Michaell · November 2016

qbrozen said:
The only 2 comps with similar miles were deemed above average condition and scored $3k each, putting a fair retail purchase in the $5k-$5500 range. Its all about the condition on this one, of course.

Perfect, I'll pass that along.

breld · November 2016

Hey Q - I'm giving some serious thought to making this trade. Maybe you can give me a gut check that my numbers are decent:

Trade (in CO):

2016 Audi SQ5, Sepang Blue over Black leather.
Tech package, upgraded leather interior, wheel upgrade
13,000 miles
It's a CPO, though that probably doesn't matter from a trade perspective.

Purchase:

2015 BMW 428i xdrive Gran Coupe, White over red leather
M-sport line, Premium Pkg, Tech Pkg, Driver Assistance Pkg, heated seats
12,600 miles
CPO

I've been offered $48,000 trade on the Audi, and they're at a touch under $39,000 for the BMW, after several price reductions over the past month or two.

So that's a $9,000 difference (to my favor) - I'm offering $10,000.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance.

stickguy · November 2016

I like that BMW. If I was shopping in that price range, I would love one of those. Even though my wife would hate the interior color. Oh well!

qbrozen · November 2016

I need some help on the bimmer. Is it an m sport model? The BMW designations these days make looking them up very difficult. And, fyi, Manheim does not separate GC from sedan, apparently.

also need to know the Audi trim level.

on a separate note, you have had that how long now? A couple of months?

breld · November 2016

Bimmer is an M-sport line.

Audi is a Premium Plus.

And on the separate note, it's been since July, so an entire 4 months! Sheesh!

qbrozen · November 2016

Both numbers are very very strong. I see one bimmer at $36k but all others are $39k. Audi is a hair over $48k. So they are basically at auction numbers on both sides.

breld · November 2016

Awesome - thanks for the info (and quick response as always).

So...the deal is strong; I just have to make the final decision if I really want to make the move, especially so soon after acquiring the Audi. As lighthearted as I make it sound, I do agonize over these quick decisions.

It's really more "opportunistic" than anything. The 4-series is on the "list" of those cars I'd want, and this one is in a color I like, equipped well, and has been sitting long enough that it's a good deal.

breld · November 2016

stickguy said:
I like that BMW. If I was shopping in that price range, I would love one of those. Even though my wife would hate the interior color. Oh well!

Yeah, if I were to order one, I may hesitate on the coral red interior, but it's sort of freeing when you're buying used - you can be "bold" cause you don't have the choice anyway. I do think white is one of the only colors that works well with the red interior.

I do wonder if the red interior is one reason why it's sat for a while.

stickguy · November 2016

well, that red is certainly a love/hate option, so will do that

stickguy · November 2016

and based on the numbers, you would really be making a lateral move, apples to apples, so if you want to do it, go for it.

breld · November 2016

Yeah, since I like my current ride so well, the "lateral" nature of the move is the only reason it's compelling.

qbrozen · November 2016

Am I wrong in my assumption that the SQ5 would blow the doors off the 428?

stickguy · November 2016

I was discussing this with my son last night. His take was the Audi was "better" because it was going to be faster. Though real world, I doubt it is that much of a difference. Plus he is anxiously waiting for his A3 to come in, and desperately want an S3 instead!

Michaell · November 2016

qbrozen said:
Am I wrong in my assumption that the SQ5 would blow the doors off the 428?

No - 349HP in the SQ5 vs. 240 (I think) for the GC.

I at least got to see the SQ5 - often, @breld trades out of them so fast I don't get to see them when we meet for the occasional lunch.

Mr_Shiftright · November 2016

I thought the dealer's price was quite fair, if the car is in really good shape.

Michaell · November 2016

My sister has an appointment this afternoon at CarMax to look at the Navigator. She's hoping for $3K but will take anything over $2K to take it off her hands.

I guess she has a BIL with an extra vehicle they will borrow until they find a replacement for son #2.

breld · November 2016

qbrozen said:

Am I wrong in my assumption that the SQ5 would blow the doors off the 428?

Well, I would've thought the same thing, and my expectation was that I wouldn't be all that wowed by it, but by the seat of the pants, the 428 feels quite fast. Just looked up Car & Driver reviews - SQ5 was 5.2 to 60; 428i xdrive was 5.5.

No doubt the supercharged V6 has an amazing feel and sound to it not matched by the 2.0t, but the actual performance differential is not as big as you'd be think.

Having said that, they called back and came up another few hundred from the already good numbers. So I'm at the dealership making the trade. Thanks Q for the pricing feedback - gave me more assurance on the deal.

Now I'll switch over to chronic car buyers, accordingly.

breld · November 2016

Michaell said:

Am I wrong in my assumption that the SQ5 would blow the doors off the 428?
No - 349HP in the SQ5 vs. 240 (I think) for the GC. I at least got to see the SQ5 - often, @breld trades out of them so fast I don't get to see them when we meet for the occasional lunch.

@Michaell - maybe that will be the be new gauge. Once you've seen the car, it's available to trade in.

Michaell · November 2016

breld said:

Michaell said:

qbrozen said:
Am I wrong in my assumption that the SQ5 would blow the doors off the 428?
No - 349HP in the SQ5 vs. 240 (I think) for the GC.

I at least got to see the SQ5 - often, @breld trades out of them so fast I don't get to see them when we meet for the occasional lunch.

@Michaell - maybe that will be the be new gauge. Once you've seen the car, it's available to trade in.

I haven't seen the MINI, yet.

Gotta get together, soon.

qbrozen · November 2016

I found a much bigger acceleration differential in my quick search. But whatever works. It is the feel that matters.

breld · November 2016

Was the SQ5 quicker in the reviews you found, or the 428 slower? Or both? Just curious.

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