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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    Coal use keeps "ROLLING" along!? Just like I've said solar & wind energy is a no brainer for increased coal demand! https://www.yahoo.com/news/coal-rise-china-us-india-071347302.html

    Coal plants provide 40% of USA (grid) energy.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    gagrice said:

    If GM is successful with their new 1.6L diesel, it may breathe life into the diesel market. The Cruze is out with that engine and the Equinox soon to follow. Ford plans to put the Land Rover V6 diesel into their F150. And I would not be surprised if the Ranger does not get offered with a couple diesel engines.

    Even if VW does not buy my Touareg back I will likely sell my Nissan PU and buy a GMC Canyon diesel. I want a 4x4 that I can beat around the desert in. One with more than 300 mile range or worse 195 mile range that loses cell coverage and can lock you out of your vehicle. :p

    I think it is safe to say I will NEVER have to buy another RUG/PUG powered vehicle. If I get moved out of CA, I will NEVER have to be ripped off by a smog check again. Life is good.

    I think the new Cruze Diesel Hatchback might be a very attractive option in 2018. It offers utility, pretty good looks (certainly way more handsome than a Prius) and a potential for 50 mpg. I'm definitely going to take one for a test drive when it arrives in a few months.

    Only downside is that it might be pricey for its market niche.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Shifty:I think the new Cruze Diesel Hatchback might be a very attractive option in 2018. It offers utility, pretty good looks (certainly way more handsome than a Prius) and a potential for 50 mpg. I'm definitely going to take one for a test drive when it arrives in a few months.

    Rocky loves his Cruze diesel. Lease is up this year and he went to upgrade to the new one and got a real wake-up. Big jump on leasing the 2017 Cruze diesel. He would buy the one he is driving except it is way more than he thinks it is worth. Looks like a loaded one is about $29k with all the discounts.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    gagrice said:

    Shifty:I think the new Cruze Diesel Hatchback might be a very attractive option in 2018. It offers utility, pretty good looks (certainly way more handsome than a Prius) and a potential for 50 mpg. I'm definitely going to take one for a test drive when it arrives in a few months.

    Rocky loves his Cruze diesel. Lease is up this year and he went to upgrade to the new one and got a real wake-up. Big jump on leasing the 2017 Cruze diesel. He would buy the one he is driving except it is way more than he thinks it is worth. Looks like a loaded one is about $29k with all the discounts.

    For 29K you could probably get a GTI Autobahn Edition (fully loaded). Just to give some perspective.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,429
    andres3 said:

    gagrice said:

    Shifty:I think the new Cruze Diesel Hatchback might be a very attractive option in 2018. It offers utility, pretty good looks (certainly way more handsome than a Prius) and a potential for 50 mpg. I'm definitely going to take one for a test drive when it arrives in a few months.

    Rocky loves his Cruze diesel. Lease is up this year and he went to upgrade to the new one and got a real wake-up. Big jump on leasing the 2017 Cruze diesel. He would buy the one he is driving except it is way more than he thinks it is worth. Looks like a loaded one is about $29k with all the discounts.

    For 29K you could probably get a GTI Autobahn Edition (fully loaded). Just to give some perspective.
    Yeah ... but .... but ... you'll get worse mileage with the GTI.

    More grins, but less MPG. It's all about what is important to you.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    There's no autobahn in America...just traffic :'(

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,429
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    There's no autobahn in America...just traffic :'(

    Even on I-80 in Nevada?

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    There's no autobahn in America...just traffic :'(

    This is where I had to settle for 48 mpg when 50/52 would be fine ? ;) Parts of Highway 101 (Central Valley) certainly are! Salinas, CA to Santa Barbara, CA are are examples. Parts are the heart of the very rich agricultural capital of America, the land of ( literal) "fruits & nuts". San Luis Obisbo, CA is absolutely stunning to quaint, if that is more to ones liking. There are also very long producing oil wells (Kern County, et. al) There are easily 50 wineries nestled in vineyards almost literally as far as the eyes can see, on the way to Santa Barbara.

    Of course, one can head FAR west to the American ICONIC Highway 1 aka, Pacific Coast Highway, PCH @ any & many entry points. BUT it is far from an autobahn! Dear GOD! I love it all!

    Can you guess the environmental conservatives answers to MASSIVE Lake Tahoe, CA water ABUNDANCE ? YUP, massive waste! http://www.grindtv.com/nature/lake-tahoe-water-level-approaches-max-limit-after-heat-wave/?ref=yfp

    It's almost hilarious if it were not utterly moronic, the environmental conservatives think of Lake Tahoe as a Marin (County) smimming pool that got over filled by the pool boy/girl/LGBTQ!
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    There's no autobahn in America...just traffic :'(

    I15 in San Diego County going up to Temecula comes very close to being the Autobahn when the CHP gets out of the way. (Left lane camping problems are mitigated by numerous lane choices and usually light traffic at non-rush hour times and days.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Michaell said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    There's no autobahn in America...just traffic :'(

    Even on I-80 in Nevada?
    Yeah, that's still good although a rather dismal, featureless, boring highway in NV. Route 50 in Nevada has some good stretches but within 10 miles of any town I'd slow down if I were you.

    Sonoma to SF airport is 100 miles. Time to get there? Up to 3.5 hours on weekdays after 3 pm.

    So yeah, an automatic Cruze diesel on fast idle would be a nice commuter in my part of the world.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    And to think I wanted to live in Napa, Sebastopol, CA, when I first got out of the service.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    And to think I wanted to live in Napa, Sebastopol, CA, when I first got out of the service.

    I love that country. Too bad it is in CA and filled with crazy people. My secretary from Alaska ended up in Napa when her folks died. She and her husband live in the home. Don't think they could afford to buy up there.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    BMW diesel CUV's made in America! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-26/bmw-courts-trump-favor-by-showing-off-revamped-made-in-u-s-suv?ref=yfp
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    BMW diesel CUV's made in America! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-26/bmw-courts-trump-favor-by-showing-off-revamped-made-in-u-s-suv?ref=yfp

    CEO says, EU needs MORE diesels to meet their 2020 CO2 emissions goal. We don't need no stinking diesels in the US. We like our gas guzzling road hogs. Like you have pointed out many times, every barrel of oil has more nasty old gasoline to get rid of. Rockefeller found a use for it. And the US drivers have suffered ever since. Think of the time the Europeans save filling their diesels half as often. How many hours do gas hog drivers waste each year filling their cars, breathing that nasty carcinogenic RUG?
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    The anti diesel movement was totally bankrupt out of the starting gate!

    Too funny! As if the USA is meeting the environmental conservatives C02 targets??? !!! :D As if gasoline engines generate less C02 than diesels. As if gasoline gets better mpg & torque than diesels. Oh yes, (like model) 21 mpg is better than 36 mpg!

    Indeed to this day, even more mpg is lost on the gasoline side of the ledger @ IDLE in traffic than on the diesel side of the ledger! More gasoline is lost to many more fuel stops vs diesel fuel stops (per capital). I've used the (MB like model, example, 15,000 miles per yr.) 47 gasoline fuel stops vs 27 diesel per year. Aka 74% more!

    The code of almost absolute silence about my (barrel of oil RATIO) posts are DEAFENING & more importantly HIDDEN in plain sight!!!

    When I first started posting about the barrel of oil ratio, I was actually looking forward to a lively discussion, if not debate or simply the math is not even close! But the grade school mathematics & formulas are undeniable & overwhelming! The actual numbers are from EIA.gov itself & NHTSA.gov sites.

    50% + diesel PVF are one of the reasons why Europe actually uses far LESS barrels of oil for a similar sized PVF. (slightly larger PVF) aka, 50% + diesel PVF.

    Indeed, neither the EU diesel % PVF has gone down, nor has gasoline PVF % gone UP! Gasoline hybrid, EV, etc are not even statistically measurable, despite almost 2 decades of knowledge of the "fake" issues. Two decades of 17 M per year gasoline European sales should have sold 255 M gasoline units of a 292 M PVF ! The diesel PVF remains @ 146 M +, aka 50%. +. But the barrel of oil ratio leaves the same problem: should the EU be able to wave magic wands & make a 100% gasoline PVF, what to do with all that diesel?

    We haven't even talked about plastics yet !!
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    gagrice said:

    ruking1 said:

    BMW diesel CUV's made in America! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-26/bmw-courts-trump-favor-by-showing-off-revamped-made-in-u-s-suv?ref=yfp

    CEO says, EU needs MORE diesels to meet their 2020 CO2 emissions goal. We don't need no stinking diesels in the US. We like our gas guzzling road hogs. Like you have pointed out many times, every barrel of oil has more nasty old gasoline to get rid of. Rockefeller found a use for it. And the US drivers have suffered ever since. Think of the time the Europeans save filling their diesels half as often. How many hours do gas hog drivers waste each year filling their cars, breathing that nasty carcinogenic RUG?
    Someone will invent fly-by drones that fill up your gas tank literally on-the-fly while your cruising along the freeway at 65 MPH. Price will be "full-service" per gallon.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    Tesla fan boy? https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/07/repairing-my-tesla-model-s-has-been-an-utter-night.aspx?ref=yfp

    8 months after minor fender bender, it's already back on the road!? :D

    Sat in the rear of the 2012 VW Touareg TDI! It was an absolute joy! Anytime I'm tempted to ride shotgun, that's my new area! Tons of leg room, while waitng for Nancy P to call! :p Peel me those proverbial bunch of grapes!
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    ruking1 said:

    Tesla fan boy? https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/07/repairing-my-tesla-model-s-has-been-an-utter-night.aspx?ref=yfp

    I read about that article. Tesla blames the body shop, the owner says it's mostly Tesla's fault. Knowing how the typical auto body shop operates, I'd say the blame is probably 50/50.

    And here I thought waiting 30 days for a major part was terrible.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    Got to love those "who flung dung" scenarios!? I'm thinking rental car coverage will be mandatory if I'm ever TESLA tempted.

    Right now, I know of several great body shops! Choice is great!

    There is also a certain logic to using those body shops the insurance company recommends or is affiliated. It's not just you watching IF you are dissatisfied. It's a phone call to then get the insurance company involved If you have the rental car coverage, the insurance company has to reissue another rental car. 8 mo of rental car on them makes no one happy.

    So if the body shop was your choice and NOT affiliated with the insurance company, that's your problem To solve. :(
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    ruking1 said:

    Got to love those "who flung dung" scenarios!? I'm thinking rental car coverage will be mandatory if I'm ever TESLA tempted.

    Right now, I know of several great body shops! Choice is great!

    There is also a certain logic to using those body shops the insurance company recommends or is affiliated. It's not just you watching IF you are dissatisfied. It's a phone call to then get the insurance company involved If you have the rental car coverage, the insurance company has to reissue another rental car. 8 mo of rental car on them makes no one happy.

    So if the body shop was your choice and NOT affiliated with the insurance company, that's your problem To solve. :(

    In CA getting rental car coverage when the other person is uninsured is a big wide open gap that the Insurance lobby has somehow won over the people.

    You'll have to sue them to recover the rental costs even when they are at fault. If you have your own coverage, it is often limited to 45 or 60 days, and which point, see above. There needs to be a new coverage option for uninsured rental coverage, for when that uninsured person causes you to need a rental.

    It seems in my less than 40 years on this planet I've ran into every possible exclusion insurance companies come up with; leaving the victim on the hook.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    There is so much anymore to be aware of.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    I think also that the "diesel" option is virtual seamless on the repair/time loss issue. Indeed it's another "ADVANTAGE diesel". Of course, there are a few TMI issues.

    TMI

    14 MB GLK 250 BT had potential front differential leak (non diesel related) . The dealer, under warranty picked up & returned after clean up, washing & no apparent leaks. Perhaps a winter or 3 debris might have been the real visual & fluid leak culprit. So far, I'm delighted with our local MB dealer's services.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited June 2017
    ruking1 said:

    And to think I wanted to live in Napa, Sebastopol, CA, when I first got out of the service.

    It's a wonderful place to live if you don't have to go south. West, north or east, no problem. To go south, you have to be like a military planner and have a strategy, air reconnaissance reports, and plan your attack based on traffic patterns and time of day.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited June 2017
    Indeed! One property in the area, I was seriously looking @ would probably be 10 -20 acres in cab s grapes right now. The areas STILL delights me in multiple ways! Coming south down here ? OMG! I always tell my friends that come from there to visit, to stay @ least overnight & vice versa!
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    fintail said:

    EVs have a number of stumbling blocks though - durability, battery related pollution, and most importantly, range. Good for the city, but not much else yet. Until there's a revolutionary breakthrough in battery tech - either a 5 minute battery swap with a swapping location in every real town, or 500+ mile highway speed range, nope for me.

    fintail said:

    EVs have a number of stumbling blocks though - durability, battery related pollution, and most importantly, range. Good for the city, but not much else yet. Until there's a revolutionary breakthrough in battery tech - either a 5 minute battery swap with a swapping location in every real town, or 500+ mile highway speed range, nope for me.

    You left out resale value.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    TESTING THE VW DIESEL "FIX"
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    TESTING THE VW DIESEL "FIX"

    Although some of the numbers are close, I find an extra half second to 100 MPH to be "unacceptable."

    I'd definitely want more than a 20% restitution for that.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    TESTING THE VW DIESEL "FIX"

    This is the best statement in the piece.

    “The EPA wants these vehicles in service.”

    From the time they started the buyback I was upset they would scrap all those cars. Far more environmentally sound to fix them and resell to live out their normal lifespan. I will be glad to sell mine back as it nears the end of the warranty. Unless they extend the BtoB warranty.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    edited June 2017
    gagrice said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    TESTING THE VW DIESEL "FIX"

    This is the best statement in the piece.

    “The EPA wants these vehicles in service.”

    From the time they started the buyback I was upset they would scrap all those cars. Far more environmentally sound to fix them and resell to live out their normal lifespan. I will be glad to sell mine back as it nears the end of the warranty. Unless they extend the BtoB warranty.
    The 3.0L TDIs have an EXCELLENT warranty right now! In fact, the class bridge warranty did extend the B2B warranty between 1/31/17 (or whenever your vehicle's factory B2B expires) and the availability of an approved fix. I believe there were also hard dates in there for termination (in the event of no approved fix), but, that's pretty generous, as it is independent of mileage.

    This is only for the "Gen 2" vehicles, though, because the Gen 1's were offered buyback from the start of the settlement.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    209 miles upgrade to South Lake TaHoe,CA. There were noreal traffic weirdness to speak of, but the normal chock points. Work seems th be endless on the portion of the Highway 50 lane that tumbled down the mountain. It took 3 hours with most of the speeds between 70 to 75 mpg. The computer posted 39.7 mpg!?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    My 2013 is a Gen 2 TDI. I read through the settlement papers and could not tell if the warranty extension was for sure. My dealer did not have a clue. I am good till August. I don't want to own it without a warranty. Two failures more than ate up what I paid for the extended warranty. When it costs $500 for an O2 sensor, What would a real failure cost? I love the vehicle. Not enough to own it without a warranty.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    ruking1 said:

    209 miles upgrade to South Lake TaHoe,CA. There were noreal traffic weirdness to speak of, but the normal chock points. Work seems th be endless on the portion of the Highway 50 lane that tumbled down the mountain. It took 3 hours with most of the speeds between 70 to 75 mpg. The computer posted 39.7 mpg!?

    Corrections: noreal to no real, chock to choke.

    It's funny how "ethanol" is @ historical gluts, yet never is American "corn" whiskey alcohol ever mentioned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-running-opportunities-sell-corn-profit-191410610.html

    Indeed there are PNW grains that grow very well in Scotland, but far better & cheaper & faster, that is revolutionizing "Scotch" whiskey taste & production in the PNW!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    gagrice said:

    My 2013 is a Gen 2 TDI. I read through the settlement papers and could not tell if the warranty extension was for sure. My dealer did not have a clue. I am good till August. I don't want to own it without a warranty. Two failures more than ate up what I paid for the extended warranty. When it costs $500 for an O2 sensor, What would a real failure cost? I love the vehicle. Not enough to own it without a warranty.

    On both of my VW TDI's: 2009 Jetta/2012 Touareg, it appears the choices are of "no choices". These are truly not my options, but theirs. There are NO approved emissions fixes for each's model year, even as they ask you to make a choice.

    The good/bad news are together for over 212,000 miles, the cpmd : depreciation/ownership is 1.175 cents . The most expensive is normally a lease @ app 24/25 cpmd. In English, that is app $2,500 vs $53.000!!! These TDI costs I'm sure trounces gassers & hybrids & EV!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    gagrice said:

    My 2013 is a Gen 2 TDI. I read through the settlement papers and could not tell if the warranty extension was for sure. My dealer did not have a clue. I am good till August. I don't want to own it without a warranty. Two failures more than ate up what I paid for the extended warranty. When it costs $500 for an O2 sensor, What would a real failure cost? I love the vehicle. Not enough to own it without a warranty.

    The settlement language seemed pretty clear. I set up an appointment in Anchorage to have some nagging issues addressed, and told them about the bridge warranty when I arrived. The service guy went into the back for a minute, then came back and said he confirmed it - all was good. Everything I brought up with them was covered under the warranty, including some a couple of interior bits that were broken. :)

    Sadly, they didn't have any of the parts to fix anything, so I have to make another trip down to Anchorage at some point to have them fix it all.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    I stopped at the local Chevrolet dealership to see when they expect to get their first diesel-powered Equinox, and the gal said that while the factory is letting dealers submit orders for them now, their location doesn't plan to bring any of them here unless it is special ordered by a customer first. The GM just doesn't think there is a market for them.

    What a short-sighted nut. I told her that I'm definitely interested, but there's no way I would buy one sight unseen....
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    There are a couple of new 2016 Touareg TDI's for sale in my area by a new car dealer. Both list for about $54,000. Any ideas as to what a fair selling price would be ?

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    edited July 2017
    xwesx said:

    I stopped at the local Chevrolet dealership to see when they expect to get their first diesel-powered Equinox, and the gal said that while the factory is letting dealers submit orders for them now, their location doesn't plan to bring any of them here unless it is special ordered by a customer first. The GM just doesn't think there is a market for them.

    What a short-sighted nut. I told her that I'm definitely interested, but there's no way I would buy one sight unseen....

    Sounds like San Diego County VW dealers that all colluded to think anyone wanting to test drive a Golf R was a hooligan out for a joyride, and should agree to a negotiated final price prior to any test drives.

    Heck, even though I hated it, I played ball a bit; offered 94% of MSRP, and that was rejected. Oh well.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    xwesx said:

    I stopped at the local Chevrolet dealership to see when they expect to get their first diesel-powered Equinox, and the gal said that while the factory is letting dealers submit orders for them now, their location doesn't plan to bring any of them here unless it is special ordered by a customer first. The GM just doesn't think there is a market for them.

    What a short-sighted nut. I told her that I'm definitely interested, but there's no way I would buy one sight unseen....

    I'd find out if I would get back money put down for a special order if one didn't like it. One might find it a great opportunity.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    edited July 2017
    ruking1 said:

    I'd find out if I would get back money put down for a special order if one didn't like it. One might find it a great opportunity.

    The biggest problem I have with it s that the local dealers, they try to rob their customers due to the "isolation" of the market. So, it's a pretty rare thing for me to actually purchase a car locally. Unless they were willing to sell at a reasonable price *and* "special order" it, there's no way I would buy from them. I just want to get a solid idea of whether it is a likely buy for me before I (most likely) work out a deal somewhere in the lower 48.

    Maybe they're on to me! :D
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Lol!

    Long story short: use the (local) dealer & dealer resources to customize what you want. See if there are side benefits. (besides low price )

    Longer story :D

    In 2013/2014, the local MB dealer looked at the "wider" inventories to more customized what I could have had. This look included units that were currently on the boat, both committed & uncommitted. . As it turned out, it was the new unit they had recently off loaded to local inventory (06 miles on the odometer) that most came close to both what I wanted & did not want. It was also the best price & secondarily the best % OFF MSRP. They knew I was serious, as I was on the dealer's call back shopping list for a long time.

    Some of (our) local dealer purchase benefits are: free loaner cars, car pickup & delivery etc. Coffee & fresh donuts & bagels....yum.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    I haven't dealt with this outfit before, so I will explore those angles if I end up pursuing it more. The only Chevrolet product (or any GM, for that matter) I have ever owned is my 1969 C20. Needless to say, it doesn't tend to visit dealerships for any reason.... !

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Well certainly a 48-year-old car still works! Are you waiting until it's exempt from smog tests, or is it already? ;)

    Jury is still out whether this 2014 MB GLK 250 BT is worth keeping to 200,000 miles & beyond. So far this engine is very hard to beat or with this diesel embargo maybe never! The out it's looking good ! ;):D
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    xwesx said:

    ruking1 said:

    I'd find out if I would get back money put down for a special order if one didn't like it. One might find it a great opportunity.

    The biggest problem I have with it s that the local dealers, they try to rob their customers due to the "isolation" of the market. So, it's a pretty rare thing for me to actually purchase a car locally. Unless they were willing to sell at a reasonable price *and* "special order" it, there's no way I would buy from them. I just want to get a solid idea of whether it is a likely buy for me before I (most likely) work out a deal somewhere in the lower 48.

    Maybe they're on to me! :D
    37 years in Alaska and I only bought two new vehicles in state. 1970 Datsun PU. Great truck good dealer. 1973 Subaru that was a total POC and the dealer was worse. Tried many times with both the GM and Dodge dealer. They know they have a captive audience and screw over the population. When they got a couple Ford dealers it was easier to deal. Never bought from them. Anchorage Chrysler refused to order me a 1974 Dodge van with Air Conditioning. So that was my first Seattle purchase. I dealt with both Portland and Seattle dealers. Always happy with my deals. I would easily save enough to fly us down and make a vacation of the drive back.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    I think pre-catalyst cars (1975) are exempt from emissions everywhere, even in CA.

    No doubt in my mind that the Bluetec GLK will make it to 200K and beyond. Maybe an electrical quirk is a possibility, but the powertrain should be fine.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Just heard on a local news network that 250,000 are visiting this 28,000 person city, this 4th of July 2014 weekend!!
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    ruking1 said:

    Well certainly a 48-year-old car still works! Are you waiting until it's exempt from smog tests, or is it already? ;)

    Jury is still out whether this 2014 MB GLK 250 BT is worth keeping to 200,000 miles & beyond. So far this engine is very hard to beat or with this diesel embargo maybe never! The out it's looking good ! ;):D

    Correction: out to outlook
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Does this sound familiar? I cannot even imagine paying 180% tax on a new vehicle. And they call Denmark a happy country. Not on my standards.

    The tax breaks have exempted Danish electric car dealers from the 180 percent import tax that is normally applied on combustion engine vehicles.
    As soon as the progressive phase-out started in Q1 2016, sales of electric vehicles dropped momentuously. In fact, the new tax regime “completely killed the market,” said Laerke Flader, head of the Danish Electric Car Alliance, according to Bloomberg.
    2015: 2738 Tesla vehicles sold
    2016: 176
    2017 (q1): 6

    http://nordic.businessinsider.com/denmark-is-killing-tesla-with-a-jaw-dropping-94-sales-drop--and-elon-musk-saw-it-coming-2017-6/
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    This can't be another piece of TESLA S good news!? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-responds-newly-released-model-064313934.html

    For a host of apparent and NON reasons, it seems the US (& Chinese) markets are shaping up to be the "dumping grounds" for Chinese EV products. Needless to say, the EV Chinese markets are/can be bigger than the US markets. Conveniently, all but the smallest Chinese EV OEMs are state owned. The Chinese mining rights in Afghanistan might have been/remains/ will remain a core reason for the US to spend BLOOD/horror & much treasure & trash ! ?

    Here in the United States, EV's are merely WAY too expensive for what you get. If you put 180% import tax ($252,000) on a TESLA X $140,000 car, well... anyone can draw their own conclusions. My Danish conclusion would be 10 MB GLK 250 BT's vs 1 TESLA? Hmmmmm

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/2016-range-rover-td6-diesel-153000763.html Too bad Car & Driver did not test the gasoline model side-by-side. 19 mpg gasoline vs 26 mpg diesel ?

    EPA & marketing realities Bio fuel mandates?http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/340726-epa-proposes-cutting-biofuels-mandate-for-2018?ref=yfp
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Go to the Tesla forum. Horror stories on getting parts if you have an accident. One guy has waited 8 months for parts. Two bit company run like our government with our tax dollars.

    After reading the Range Rover review. I think I will scratch it off the list it was never on. I think I read maybe here that Ford plans to put that engine in their F150 PU truck. Put it in the Explorer and I will give it a look see.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    And if you noticed, Tesla fared far from perfect in the latest round of IIHS crash tests. The fanboys are up in arms, and Tesla itself released a particularly arrogant PR statement.

    If this had a couple more options and was for sale when I wasn't in the middle of a lease, I might take a plunge - quite an uncommon car, almost perfect spec, but I want driver's assist and pano.



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