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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    fintail said:

    And if you noticed, Tesla fared far from perfect in the latest round of IIHS crash tests. The fanboys are up in arms, and Tesla itself released a particularly arrogant PR statement.

    If this had a couple more options and was for sale when I wasn't in the middle of a lease, I might take a plunge - quite an uncommon car, almost perfect spec, but I want driver's assist and pano.



    I'm not a big fan of white (on the exterior), but that is quite a car! *whew!*
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,419
    The interior is quite unusual too, I don't know if I have ever seen another W221 Bluetec with Designo interior. New MSRP would have been over 100K. 2012-13 were last S-class diesel sold here, the first sold here in nearly 20 years, and maybe the final type sold here.
    xwesx said:



    I'm not a big fan of white (on the exterior), but that is quite a car! *whew!*

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    The good/bad news are YUGE ($100,000- $60,000= $40,000/33, 000 miles= App $1.34 per mile) depreciations! My guess that specific (one off) car came pretty much loaded to the gills, probably off a corporate lease. Got to love those "fat cats". Or @ least this cars former owner.

    I would see that as one perfect touring car! However if it was even used for touring, the touring miles would probably further increase depreciation. I'm not sure I'd like to spend the learning curve necessary getting all the features memorized! & function checked, only to sell it in 4 years.

    So diesels have zero issues @ 3-5% PVF & they want to kill it. But in this article, 10-20% PVF is a tipping point. Currently EV's are less than 1%. Few if any municipalities are on board.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/automakers-ignoring-potential-nightmare-scenario-160100330.html
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    xwesx said:

    fintail said:

    And if you noticed, Tesla fared far from perfect in the latest round of IIHS crash tests. The fanboys are up in arms, and Tesla itself released a particularly arrogant PR statement.

    If this had a couple more options and was for sale when I wasn't in the middle of a lease, I might take a plunge - quite an uncommon car, almost perfect spec, but I want driver's assist and pano.

    I'm not a big fan of white (on the exterior), but that is quite a car! *whew!*
    I suppose if you live where it is white all around most of the year, white would not be your first choice of colors. Red or Green would go well with 8 months of snow. B)

  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Indeed colors have (absorption) different temperatures! So a white on white vs black on black not only absorbs temperatures less, but the former is far easier to cool than the latter.

    TMI

    Use a laser temperature gun. That will confirm what one instinctively knows.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Is this proof anecdotal gasoline & hybrids do NOT meet higher mpg numbers? http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/trucks-and-suvs-that-get-worst-fuel-economy.html/7/
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Someone in another topic drove a new Colorado diesel pickup---liked it, but said it was a noisy and buzzy engine. But...it's a truck!

    TESLA: stockholders took the blue pill rather than the red one.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Makes me wonder what a "D" MB compact PU truck would be like!?

    Like I've said before the "clean sir advocates & enforcers" don't even believe their own BS!? http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-freeway-pollution-filters-20170709-story,amp.html?ref=yfp

    From an "environmental view", they should work to "DE populate " the city, not dense pack more people in !?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    You can't stop loosely regulated capitalism. It's a raging beast. If you tried to regulate building in proximity to freeways, the so-called "free market" people would be all over you. If you don't regulate it, then the environmental people are all over you.

    Jump ball! The struggle never ends.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,419
    Compact MB pickup - get a damaged E or GLK Bluetec, cut it down, and see what happens :)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    If one is/are planning on getting in an accident soon, let me know! ;)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    You can't stop loosely regulated capitalism. It's a raging beast. If you tried to regulate building in proximity to freeways, the so-called "free market" people would be all over you. If you don't regulate it, then the environmental people are all over you.

    Jump ball! The struggle never ends.

    LA LA Land has also been shown to be a YUGE metro earthquake zone! I've read in more than a few places,the area has much greater potential for even greater magnitudes on the Richter scale than metro areas further north!

    Fires have been almost 3.5/4 season occurrences, which seemingly can't be stopped!? These wide scale & wide spread fires are TOTALLY natural!! Yet it probably contributes more to LALA Lands pollution than its cars.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Meanwhile, the price of oil..... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/normal-oil-prices-230000518.html

    Want the price of US oil products to stay low, to go down further? Ok a few new US strategic oil refineries! They are being taken off line to being severely restricted to boost prices!?

    So for example, @ a refinery very close to here, a less than 2 feet piece of (stainless steel) pipe was "overlooked" (right) :D during a safety inspection and it failed. Three hours later, the price of gasoline shot up $.50 per gal for two months.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    None of the oil producing countries wants to take the hit in immediate revenue for decreasing production and driving up prices in the future.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,676

    ruking1 said:

    Meanwhile, the price of oil..... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/normal-oil-prices-230000518.html

    Want the price of US oil products to stay low, to go down further? Ok a few new US strategic oil refineries!




    Thanks for th link. Interesting and understandable.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    None of the oil producing countries wants to take the hit in immediate revenue for decreasing production and driving up prices in the future.

    To some extent, massive foolishness. As a one-time resource, they would be way better off selling the bare minimum to survive, and saving their product for higher markets. Ah well....
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Overwhelmingly, the world continues to demand WAY more oil. By its own statistics, the EIA.gov shows that the US uses 9% or less of the worlds oil. The USA has long since mandated ALL oil trade to be in USD! Propose or do otherwise & .... well look what happened to Qaddafi (Libya) and Saddam Hussein (Iraq) ? Even Iran "gets it"
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    xwesx said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    None of the oil producing countries wants to take the hit in immediate revenue for decreasing production and driving up prices in the future.

    To some extent, massive foolishness. As a one-time resource, they would be way better off selling the bare minimum to survive, and saving their product for higher markets. Ah well....
    Well maybe not foolish---OPEC would probably like to see the American oil shale business totally collapse---and it seems to be doing just that. I mean, in places like Wyoming, it's an economic disaster zone.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    xwesx said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    None of the oil producing countries wants to take the hit in immediate revenue for decreasing production and driving up prices in the future.

    To some extent, massive foolishness. As a one-time resource, they would be way better off selling the bare minimum to survive, and saving their product for higher markets. Ah well....
    Well maybe not foolish---OPEC would probably like to see the American oil shale business totally collapse---and it seems to be doing just that. I mean, in places like Wyoming, it's an economic disaster zone.
    But the other shoe dropping are YUGE biggie oil investments $$'s INTO fracking. The biggies can benefit from cost decreases.

    The US well sites are NOT going away! Nor are American "shalers". Indeed they may be following millennium's OLD farming principle of letting the assets rest certain amounts of times, before resuming production. It been well know for a very long time (100+ years) that CA sits on YUGE oil reserves! So truly for our state, hypocrisy knows no bounds.i'm surprise that oil companies have not shifted into becoming "energy" companies doing anything that provides "energy". This lack of pivoting is remarkably shortsighted! To not be the Amazon of oil or out Amazoning Amazon is almost stupidity!

    Even with today's technology it is almost repressively costly to drill for a new deep pool oil wells. Indeed when they find new deep pool oil wells fracking, etc, greatly extends the life and dollar value of a conventional deep pool well.

    I was having an informal discussion with some Mexican business people about oil. It's been long known the Gulf of Mexico has huge deep oil pool reserves. i.e. that is where then earth directs a lot of the oil comes in this area.

    Of course being American, one listens to a certain amount of slings and arrows about America bing the cause of all the worlds problems. Specific to oil, Mexico is in the proverbial dumper. So I asked one ?. When did Mexico nationalize the oil industry? Total silence!? So even anybody can ask Siri, etc!? Less anybody forget, it's a civic holiday? The next ?: How has that been working for Mexico? So if Mexico renationalizes newer agreements, the oil company's should not look to the USA for bail outs!?

    So any US company that does business with Cuba needs to remember the Castro's nationalized ALL the industries!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    OPEC would probably like to see the American oil shale business totally collapse---and it seems to be doing just that. I mean, in places like Wyoming, it's an economic disaster zone.

    Sure, no worries there. The resource isn't going anywhere if we leave it in the ground. Its day will come whether tomorrow or twenty years down the road.

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    The essential truths are that America have been the kings of oil, natural gas, coal, thermo, hydro. All but coal are essentially renewable. Gasoline & diesel (SEPARATELY) can be made from natural gas. It can be made chemically, with access to natural gas also. The same products from oil refining are in a ratio, 19 gals gasoline to 13 gals diesel. It's a pipe to drop barrel of oil demand by government fiat of electric cars. EIA.gov statistics revealed that the US only uses 9% or less of the worlds oil. As every society further grows its middle class, energy demand will grow exponentially.

    Other needs such as water demand, are not rocket science.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    xwesx said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    OPEC would probably like to see the American oil shale business totally collapse---and it seems to be doing just that. I mean, in places like Wyoming, it's an economic disaster zone.

    Sure, no worries there. The resource isn't going anywhere if we leave it in the ground. Its day will come whether tomorrow or twenty years down the road.

    I dunno...fracking has become mighty unpopular across political lines, for any number of reasons.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    xwesx said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    OPEC would probably like to see the American oil shale business totally collapse---and it seems to be doing just that. I mean, in places like Wyoming, it's an economic disaster zone.

    Sure, no worries there. The resource isn't going anywhere if we leave it in the ground. Its day will come whether tomorrow or twenty years down the road.

    I dunno...fracking has become mighty unpopular across political lines, for any number of reasons.
    The eco conservatives have always had a schizophrenic attitude. It's a no brainer what they will say if they are inconvenienced!

    When the local oil refinery had a pipe fail & the prices shot up 50 cents a gal gasoline almost overnight, the Eco retards wanted to investigate for conspiracy to commit negligence!? Again I can't even make this stuff up.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    By the law of supply and demand, if more people buy EV's electricity rates should go up, and fuel/gas/diesel prices should fall.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    ruking1 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    xwesx said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    OPEC would probably like to see the American oil shale business totally collapse---and it seems to be doing just that. I mean, in places like Wyoming, it's an economic disaster zone.

    Sure, no worries there. The resource isn't going anywhere if we leave it in the ground. Its day will come whether tomorrow or twenty years down the road.

    I dunno...fracking has become mighty unpopular across political lines, for any number of reasons.
    The eco conservatives have always had a schizophrenic attitude. It's a no brainer what they will say if they are inconvenienced!

    When the local oil refinery had a pipe fail & the prices shot up 50 cents a gal gasoline almost overnight, the Eco retards wanted to investigate for conspiracy to commit negligence!? Again I can't even make this stuff up.
    Don't think so. Fracking is being resisted by all political stripes, across the board. It's one of the few left/right rallying points.

    Hopefully, most EV owners will have the common sense to be charging during the wee hours of the night--although there are now solar systems powerful enough now to charge up the vehicle directly during the day.

    Until EV trucks abound, ready for heavy duty long distance travel, there will be diesel long into the future.



  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    I'm fine with your opinions. The facts & numbers overwhelming do not support them!! Indeed, IF EV (it) could do the "heavy lifting" so to speak, it would have been/be wide spread 50 years ago! EV anything is far from a new concept! I rode electric buses 66 years ago!? Of course, for several of those years, I was not fully cognizant! (3 years?)

    EV charging during the day & or during wee hours would in fact BOOST dependency on the 40% of the energy grid that are supported by COAL! So as vilified as coal plants are, getting new natural gas plants will be vilified even more so by the very same people who vilified coal plants!!! The why/s are TMI.

    The 2015 in arrears data has been posted. It is not the stirred up stew pot that some would hope. https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    ruking1 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    xwesx said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    OPEC would probably like to see the American oil shale business totally collapse---and it seems to be doing just that. I mean, in places like Wyoming, it's an economic disaster zone.

    Sure, no worries there. The resource isn't going anywhere if we leave it in the ground. Its day will come whether tomorrow or twenty years down the road.

    I dunno...fracking has become mighty unpopular across political lines, for any number of reasons.
    The eco conservatives have always had a schizophrenic attitude. It's a no brainer what they will say if they are inconvenienced!

    When the local oil refinery had a pipe fail & the prices shot up 50 cents a gal gasoline almost overnight, the Eco retards wanted to investigate for conspiracy to commit negligence!? Again I can't even make this stuff up.
    Don't think so. Fracking is being resisted by all political stripes, across the board. It's one of the few left/right rallying points.

    Hopefully, most EV owners will have the common sense to be charging during the wee hours of the night--although there are now solar systems powerful enough now to charge up the vehicle directly during the day.

    Until EV trucks abound, ready for heavy duty long distance travel, there will be diesel long into the future.



    By CNN, no less!?

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/11/investing/us-oil-exports-opec-shale?ref=yfp
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    The numbers are app 11,000 miles to 14,000 miles per year, if you do the numbers proferred by 2015 FARS NHTSA with the formulas. Both are incidentally BELOW the acknowledged 12,000 miles to 15,000 miles per year. (Minus 8.33% to -6.67%) miles

    Now mileage is UP, but so are licensed drivers & the registered PVF.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Hmm...destroying the U.S. environment and economy so that foreign countries can buy cheap oil. Gee, that makes sense. And here I thought our natural resources belonged to all of us. Silly me.
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    Hmm...destroying the U.S. environment and economy so that foreign countries can buy cheap oil. Gee, that makes sense. And here I thought our natural resources belonged to all of us. Silly me.

    I hate to break it to you. But all those are TOTAL misnomers. I'm sure you've glossed over the real China mining contracts negotiate in Afghanistan!? All were hard fought for by "US squared" blood & treasure. Aka, done in "YOUR" name! ? Whether you are silly or not, depends on awakening, or... not!?

    If they are diesels, Jaguar F /E Pace, I'm interested! https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2017/07/13/jaguar-unveils-new-compact-suv-the-e-pace-to-lead-global-sales-drive/#534bec094684
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    ruking1 said:

    Is this proof anecdotal gasoline & hybrids do NOT meet higher mpg numbers? http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/trucks-and-suvs-that-get-worst-fuel-economy.html/7/

    The fact is my Nissan Frontier has rarely gone over 17 MPG. They are spot on with their Gas Guzzling picks. I do have to believe the ethanol hurts the mileage also. The main reason I am thinking about the diesel Canyon/Colorado replacement. Probably when I move to Nevada. I like the Colorado ZR2 for all those trails around Pahrump.

    http://www.trucktrend.com/features/1705-first-drive-2017-chevrolet-colorado-zr2/
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    You can't stop loosely regulated capitalism. It's a raging beast. If you tried to regulate building in proximity to freeways, the so-called "free market" people would be all over you. If you don't regulate it, then the environmental people are all over you.

    Jump ball! The struggle never ends.

    I am, have an offer in on a nice home in Nevada. Two minutes from some of the best off roading in the USA. Several famous Springs and the whole Mohave desert.

    https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/981-wheeler-pass
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    If enough monies are coming from other sources, there are a lot of great things about living in smaller cities/towns, albeit in tax "free" states like NV. Living in taxable states like CA (up to 13%) is a bit, to a lot tricker to live more "tax free", but it's done every day.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited July 2017
    ruking1 said:

    If enough monies are coming from other sources, there are a lot of great things about living in smaller cities/towns, albeit in tax "free" states like NV. Living in taxable states like CA (up to 13%) is a bit, to a lot tricker to live more "tax free", but it's done every day.

    I would be surprised if less than 50% of the wealthy in Hollywood do not maintain a primary residence in Las Vegas. I know my old CPA handled most of the Tuna fleet here in San Diego. They all owned homes in Nevada for their primary residence. If you earn your money here it maybe difficult to avoid CA income tax.

    Back to diesels. I drove to Pahrump from San Diego. Then spent three days in 100+ temps looking at homes. Put 175 miles local city driving. 330 miles highway including stop and go on Interstate 15. Filled in Pahrump for $2.32 credit with 505 miles. Averaged 26.3 MPG. That included letting the Touareg idle some. If anyone has a full size SUV gasser that can match let me know.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    ruking1 said:

    If enough monies are coming from other sources, there are a lot of great things about living in smaller cities/towns, albeit in tax "free" states like NV. Living in taxable states like CA (up to 13%) is a bit, to a lot tricker to live more "tax free", but it's done every day.

    California does not have the highest taxes in the USA however, and in some areas, it's nearer the bottom. But overall, it is highly taxed, perhaps 4th or 5th. Depends what you are talking about. Upcoming fuel tax increases won't help the ICEs, that's for sure.

    I have no idea what Afghanistan and China have to do with the public's resistance to fracking in the U.S. Seems quite off topic here. The subject we were exploring was future fuel prices.

  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,934
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    ruking1 said:

    If enough monies are coming from other sources, there are a lot of great things about living in smaller cities/towns, albeit in tax "free" states like NV. Living in taxable states like CA (up to 13%) is a bit, to a lot tricker to live more "tax free", but it's done every day.

    California does not have the highest taxes in the USA however, and in some areas, it's nearer the bottom. But overall, it is highly taxed, perhaps 4th or 5th. Depends what you are talking about. Upcoming fuel tax increases won't help the ICEs, that's for sure.

    I have no idea what Afghanistan and China have to do with the public's resistance to fracking in the U.S. Seems quite off topic here. The subject we were exploring was future fuel prices.

    I would buy a 1,000 gallon fuel tank for storage so that I can take advantage of the current lower taxes, but in order to do that in CA I'd have to pay a bunch of taxes for fees, permits, plan review, inspection, eco studies, and probably more.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    gagrice said:

    ruking1 said:

    If enough monies are coming from other sources, there are a lot of great things about living in smaller cities/towns, albeit in tax "free" states like NV. Living in taxable states like CA (up to 13%) is a bit, to a lot tricker to live more "tax free", but it's done every day.

    I would be surprised if less than 50% of the wealthy in Hollywood do not maintain a primary residence in Las Vegas. I know my old CPA handled most of the Tuna fleet here in San Diego. They all owned homes in Nevada for their primary residence. If you earn your money here it maybe difficult to avoid CA income tax.

    Back to diesels. I drove to Pahrump from San Diego. Then spent three days in 100+ temps looking at homes. Put 175 miles local city driving. 330 miles highway including stop and go on Interstate 15. Filled in Pahrump for $2.32 credit with 505 miles. Averaged 26.3 MPG. That included letting the Touareg idle some. If anyone has a full size SUV gasser that can match let me know.

    I'm literally mobile, ok moving anywhere in the USA. The other half is supremely happy @ what she does.we are also in health care nirvana. NV for a whole set of reasons is very appealing. We looked in Lake Tahoe, NV, but this house popped up @ the right time. If it where NV side, it would have been better. L
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    ruking1 said:

    If enough monies are coming from other sources, there are a lot of great things about living in smaller cities/towns, albeit in tax "free" states like NV. Living in taxable states like CA (up to 13%) is a bit, to a lot tricker to live more "tax free", but it's done every day.

    California does not have the highest taxes in the USA however, and in some areas, it's nearer the bottom. But overall, it is highly taxed, perhaps 4th or 5th. Depends what you are talking about. Upcoming fuel tax increases won't help the ICEs, that's for sure.

    I have no idea what Afghanistan and China have to do with the public's resistance to fracking in the U.S. Seems quite off topic here. The subject we were exploring was future fuel prices.

    Again, I'm ok with your opinion/s, but I didn't say CA has the highest state tax rate, even as you are implying that I did say that! !! However, according to TurboTax 2016 it DOES!? So pony up the states with higher than 13.3% ! Till then, you are w...?

    https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/Taxes-101/States-with-the-Highest-and-Lowest-Taxes/INF23232.html

    I've gone over more than once about The China rare metals mining opportunities in Afghanistan for the new "environmental nirvana" !

    Slow diesel in news day. The MB GLK 250 BT is in the shop for a possible front differential leak. They gave us a loaner, 2017 MB C300 4 door sedan black on black, with less than 2,200 miles on the clock. (Pug) 4 cylinder also runs the MB E 300!?
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    For 2009 VW Jetta/2012 VW Touareg TDI's, each's proper paper work has been notarized & copies to be sent. Soon after receipt by VW, paper work should be scanned & the account portal updated. Hopefully these actions are steps closer to each vehicles turned in & checks hitting the banks.

    The wife for unknown reasons is NOT keen on the loaner car? (2017 Mercedes Benz C300, MSRP $39,500/$44,500) If I had to guess, the majority of the controls are NOT intuitive. More importantly, control activations take too much driving attention away. I think things would be ok with a 5 to 10 hour familiarization scheme. App 2.25 to 3 hrs (54 miles r/t- 27 miles one way) are spent in the car, 5 days a week.

    The loaner car is absolutely gorgeous ! Edmunds.com says 25 mpg, my guess for the crazy commute 22-27 mpg.) But anymore, car selection can be the daunting task! She's keen on getting her 2014 MB GLK 250 BT back? She seems to know the controls activation drills for what she needs anyway. We of course rather get 36/38 mpg. IF we had Fintails, diesel we'd post (total swag) more like 40 mpg to 45 mph.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    ruking1 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    ruking1 said:

    If enough monies are coming from other sources, there are a lot of great things about living in smaller cities/towns, albeit in tax "free" states like NV. Living in taxable states like CA (up to 13%) is a bit, to a lot tricker to live more "tax free", but it's done every day.

    California does not have the highest taxes in the USA however, and in some areas, it's nearer the bottom. But overall, it is highly taxed, perhaps 4th or 5th. Depends what you are talking about. Upcoming fuel tax increases won't help the ICEs, that's for sure.

    I have no idea what Afghanistan and China have to do with the public's resistance to fracking in the U.S. Seems quite off topic here. The subject we were exploring was future fuel prices.

    Again, I'm ok with your opinion/s, but I didn't say CA has the highest state tax rate, even as you are implying that I did say that! !! However, according to TurboTax 2016 it DOES!? So pony up the states with higher than 13.3% ! Till then, you are w...?

    https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/Taxes-101/States-with-the-Highest-and-Lowest-Taxes/INF23232.html

    I've gone over more than once about The China rare metals mining opportunities in Afghanistan for the new "environmental nirvana" !

    Slow diesel in news day. The MB GLK 250 BT is in the shop for a possible front differential leak. They gave us a loaner, 2017 MB C300 4 door sedan black on black, with less than 2,200 miles on the clock. (Pug) 4 cylinder also runs the MB E 300!?
    That's just income tax, not all taxes. CA is not the state with the highest overall taxes.

    We do have a rare earths mine, though :p
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    CA would go to a better place IF it were in the lower standard deviation in taxes!

    Rumor @ a local Mazda dealer that the CX 5 (compact CUV) should come out later this year (2018 my?) with a TDL version?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,419
    I am going on a little road trip this week, we'll see if I can hit (an indicated) 45 mpg on any leg of it. As there will likely be traffic, I might be cutting it close.

    I think the engine in the C and E is the same, but tuned differently. The controls on the new C are a little different from prior cars. The COMAND menus should be the same, but I think some vehicle controls and setting are in different locations.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,354
    ruking1 said:

    CA would go to a better place IF it were in the lower standard deviation in taxes!

    Rumor @ a local Mazda dealer that the CX 5 (compact CUV) should come out later this year (2018 my?) with a TDL version?

    Mazda has been hinting at this for a few years. I think they've finally got the engine tuned the way they want.

    I believe I've heard 300+ ft/lb of torque, and just under 200HP.

    Be curious to see what the MPG ratings are.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    I'm not sure how long this will last, but evidently the redesigned ( for 2017) Mazda's CX–5 is one of the hottest compact CUV sellers. A (2018) TDI version would piggyback an already hot trend & seller.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,354
    ruking1 said:

    I'm not sure how long this will last, but evidently the redesigned ( for 2017) Mazda's CX–5 is one of the hottest compact CUV sellers. A (2018) TDI version would piggyback an already hot trend & seller.

    Nothing will ever outsell the Honda CR-V. The CX-5, while very nice - I took a test drive of one a few weeks ago - will only appeal to a niche market. The availability of a diesel may widen that appeal.

    We can only hope.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    Indeed the more niche market is where it is aimed!
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,354
    ruking1 said:

    Indeed the more niche market is where it is aimed!

    Although it will compete against the 2018 Chevrolet Equinox diesel.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    The 2018 Chevrolet Equinox offers a 1.6 L TDI. It is rated @ 240 # ft, posting 40 mpg. There are going to be whole new sets of folks getting happy on 40 mpg TDI vs 25 mpg gasoline, 60 % better (like model)
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,354
    ruking1 said:

    The 2018 Chevrolet Equinox offers a 1.6 L TDI. It is rated @ 240 # ft, posting 40 mpg. There are going to be whole new sets of folks getting happy on 40 mpg TDI vs 25 mpg gasoline, 60 % better (like model)

    Only 240? I think the Mazda is supposed to have north of 300.

    Link to NZ test drive; the power numbers translate to 173 HP and 310#/lb

    http://www.driven.co.nz/reviews/road-tests/same-car-new-heart-we-test-mazda-s-2-2-litre-diesel-cx-5/

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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    edited July 2017
    To me, arguably part of a very small niche market, a 70# ft of torque advantage (all things being equal) is HUGE!! Indeed on the gasoline side it's like a supercharger vs NONE!
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