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driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

sda said:

Actually a Subaru Outback. Look at the rocker panel on the driver’s door. The roofline on the passenger side does look like a Pacifica.

In some ways it looks like two different cars that are the same color. They have some things in common, but how can you smash the front and the back, one side more than the other, but the mirrors on both sides are destroyed. Rear wasn't hit dead on because one side picture shows it more destroyed than the other....similar with the front.

Was it in a tornado?

I asked my buddy for you and he says the rumor is that it was rolled three times. Ouch!
However, our lot right next to Hertz has some pretty banged up and abused cars. Busted windshields, tires where there was no tread only sidewalls left, dents etc.

I guess people don't always drive rental cars as carefully as their own. Some people have no respect for other people's or even a companies property. I wonder if it would have rolled over if it was his own car....probably DUI too!

stickguy

I only know about it from watching HGTV. Property brothers are never happy about finding it. And usually there are scorch marks. They always replace it. I worry about stuff, so if I was buying the house, I would budget to replace it.

My daughter (technically her BF, but they are moving in together) are closing on a house Friday. circa 1958, but inspected amazingly well. Just a couple minor things to take care of to be good to go. Then just cosmetic upgrades as they are able to.

driver100

jipster said:

The home inspector acted like both of these things were no big deal. Said both are common issues for the area.

Knob and tube wiring is an older system of wiring a home. Two separate wires running parallel to each other, no ground wire. Some say don't worry about it, some say replace, some say have it inspected.

Well, it sounds like this house has more potential than the last one. Personally, I don't want problems, I don't like dealing with problems, I try to avoid problems........I have no desire to live in a house that may have huge electrical problems. But, I am not young, idealistic, starting out, not jaded, have been there and done it once...so, if they go with it hope it works out.

I guess what I would want to know is how much more is a newer type house? If it is financially impossible then not much point, probably best to buy a house like that one........if a newer house that needs less work on it is $10k or $20k more I would consider it, may cost less than fixing up the less expensive house, and allow more time to do other things. Plus, it gets added to the mortgage, less chance for a huge $10000 major repair that has to be paid for.

jipster

stickguy said:

I only know about it from watching HGTV. Property brothers are never happy about finding it. And usually there are scorch marks. They always replace it. I worry about stuff, so if I was buying the house, I would budget to replace it.

My daughter (technically her BF, but they are moving in together) are closing on a house Friday. circa 1958, but inspected amazingly well. Just a couple minor things to take care of to be good to go. Then just cosmetic upgrades as they are able to.

Ive watched a few episodes of Property Brothers. Missed that one. That knob and tube wiring has rubber insulation on the wires. I think over time they can become brittle and crack off. Home inspector said many outlets wouldn't trip when tested. I guess because of no neutral wires.It can be really expensive to replace I've read.

ab348

K&T wiring was fine a century ago but it can be very dangerous now. Plus it is impossible to alter or otherwise tie in these days. I would not even consider keeping it.

kyfdx

Ditto... should be replaced.

jmonroe1

jipster said:

stickguy said:

I only know about it from watching HGTV. Property brothers are never happy about finding it. And usually there are scorch marks. They always replace it. I worry about stuff, so if I was buying the house, I would budget to replace it.

My daughter (technically her BF, but they are moving in together) are closing on a house Friday. circa 1958, but inspected amazingly well. Just a couple minor things to take care of to be good to go. Then just cosmetic upgrades as they are able to.

Ive watched a few episodes of Property Brothers. Missed that one. That knob and tube wiring has rubber insulation on the wires. I think over time they can become brittle and crack off. Home inspector said many outlets wouldn't trip when tested. I guess because of no neutral wires.It can be really expensive to replace I've read.

I don't know what you mean by "wouldn't trip when tested". Unless there is a penny in the fuse box, just about any circuit will trip. Just for your info, even knob and tube wiring has a neutral but like you said it doesn't have a ground wire. People have to understand that the ground wire is for their protection. The fuse or breaker is for the protection of the circuit (wiring and devices on that circuit). That is a HUGE difference. I wouldn't go near a house that has knob and tube wiring and I'm not the only person that thinks like me. You can't buy a house on the cheap unless you plan on spending a LOT of money for upgrades.

RUN AWAY.

jmonroe

stickguy

if you are moving into an old neighborhood, you get an old house. Really not a big issue. Just need to budget for it. At least you will know when you are done that it is all good to go.

he did say that some of it was done. I assume the main panel and the closer in wiring? That will make upgrading the rest a lot cheaper. Just running wires back to the box. Still a lot of work but easier than doing the entire house.

suydam

First houses are often old houses. Our first dated from about 1900. We lived in it till our family outgrew it and we could afford something better. I’m sure it had old wiring. I know the plumbing had been updated. Of course in those days even “modern” wiring wasn’t as good as now.

tjc78

Is the house being sold AS-IS?

If not tell the seller they must address the knob and tube, but then concede on most if not all of the other small BS things the home inspector finds. 

I have personally dealt with it during a remodel at my Cousin’s house and it wasn’t pretty since it had been hacked into over the years.  I kept demoing it until there were no hot wires, then ran all new cable to circuit box. 

graphicguy

PF_Flyer said:

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driver100

graphicguy said:

PF_Flyer said:

In preparation for, and to give you a heads up on the upcoming comment box changes, I've posted a guide to the new comment box. I've covered everything, where you can find it, how to use it, and what it does. Any questions you might have can be posted here in this thread. Shouldn't be too big of an adjustment. It is simply a settings change on the comment box, NOT a change in the forums software. How you navigate, sign in, and all the rest remains the same. This will get us past the issues some users have had with the links for attaching images and the like. Check it out. Wanted to try and make sure that everyone, especially you folks that make a lot of posts, will be prepared and not surprised when we implement this.

Coming Attractions - Changes to the Comment Box

So, you’re assuming we’ll remember those instructions?????

I finally mastered this system....now, they decide to change it!

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

jipster said:

stickguy said:

I only know about it from watching HGTV. Property brothers are never happy about finding it. And usually there are scorch marks. They always replace it. I worry about stuff, so if I was buying the house, I would budget to replace it.

My daughter (technically her BF, but they are moving in together) are closing on a house Friday. circa 1958, but inspected amazingly well. Just a couple minor things to take care of to be good to go. Then just cosmetic upgrades as they are able to.

Ive watched a few episodes of Property Brothers. Missed that one. That knob and tube wiring has rubber insulation on the wires. I think over time they can become brittle and crack off. Home inspector said many outlets wouldn't trip when tested. I guess because of no neutral wires.It can be really expensive to replace I've read.

I don't know what you mean by "wouldn't trip when tested". Unless there is a penny in the fuse box, just about any circuit will trip. Just for your info, even knob and tube wiring has a neutral but like you said it doesn't have a ground wire. People have to understand that the ground wire is for their protection. The fuse or breaker is for the protection of the circuit (wiring and devices on that circuit). That is a HUGE difference. I wouldn't go near a house that has knob and tube wiring and I'm not the only person that thinks like me. You can't buy a house on the cheap unless you plan on spending a LOT of money for upgrades.

RUN AWAY.

jmonroe

I go along with JM's reasoning on this, but, I don't have any actual knowledge on the subject. All I know is electricity can be dangerous, I want it to be as safe as possible, and I don't want to face hidden costs down the road. I am also thinking....there is probably a reason they didn't get the electrical updated, and more than likely it has to do with the work and cost involved.

kyfdx

and more than likely it has to do with the work and cost involved.

This ^^^^^

houdini2

oldfarmer50 said:

ruking1 said:

fintail said:

I am a little skeptical of some of that (what's the source and their methodology?) simply based on occasionally watching 70s era game shows on Youtube, where cars are the prizes, and my knowledge of leading sellers at the time. I think this data may be more accurate .

Starting comparisons in say 1969 works well, too. An even 50 years, and wage comparisons really show who declared war and who won when the bootstrappers whine about "class warfare".

driver100 said:

Most items seem to have gone up about 4X. A car has gone up a lot more than that. I remember my 79 Cutlass cost about $10000, so there may have been a big jump from 75 to 80.
In 1975 it seems to me if you bought a top of the line model it came complete. Now you buy the top of the line model and you have to add GPS, Sun-roof, special seats, sound package. And cars have more equipment, lane monitors, rear camera, turbos, more complex engines, safety equipment, pollution controls. More people are opting for higher end cars and SUVs too. Growing number of baby boomers are majority of new car buyers....so the statistics are deceiving. But, interesting to look at;

Parts of life can be way better to great when folks are on the right sides of incomes/assets power curves?

Mark 14:7, 2000+ years ago talks about the “poor” makes one wax nostalgic about the price of new chariots models?

But look what OR officials do to a poor bear. https://www.yahoo.com/news/young-bear-fed-humans-had-011101352.html

...”On Thursday, when wildlife biologists Kurt License and Doug Kitchen set out to trap and relocate the bear, they received another call that the bear was on the highway near the intersection of Scoggins Valley Road and Herr Road, where individuals had left it food.”...

There Hass to be a Saturday night live skit here “license & kitchen”?

Idiots. Dooming the poor bear for their selfish photos. Probably consider themselves animal lovers.

We have some numbskulls around us who feed deer. The deer not only ravage local farms but breed way beyond the environment’s ability to sustain the population. Then these animal lovers jet off to their winter vacations and the deer all suffer slow starvation.

Just clearing this.

PF_Flyer

graphicguy said:

PF_Flyer said:

In preparation for, and to give you a heads up on the upcoming comment box changes, I've posted a guide to the new comment box. I've covered everything, where you can find it, how to use it, and what it does. Any questions you might have can be posted here in this thread. Shouldn't be too big of an adjustment. It is simply a settings change on the comment box, NOT a change in the forums software. How you navigate, sign in, and all the rest remains the same. This will get us past the issues some users have had with the links for attaching images and the like. Check it out. Wanted to try and make sure that everyone, especially you folks that make a lot of posts, will be prepared and not surprised when we implement this.

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So, you’re assuming we’ll remember those instructions?????

Heh... not some much remember them, Just a little preparation, that's all. I don't know how often things like the headings will be used, but it's like when I can't find something in the drawer it has always been in because my wife moved it. Just letting you know about the new feng shui

ab348

PF_Flyer said:

I don't know how often things like the headings will be used, but it's like when I can't find something in the drawer it has always been in because my wife moved it. Just letting you know about the new feng shui

Hopefully headings will never be used. When I saw that part in the instructions I immediately shivered and had a fearful flashback to wrestling with MS Word and its headings function during my working days, which I never mastered but which did occasionally pop up as unwanted obstacles when editing documents created by others. I don't think I ever was able to totally eradicate them. They were like dandelions, an unwanted pest. Bulleted and numbered lists were only slightly better. Everyone should just keep to the basics.

imidazol97

There are many videos about knob and tube wiring. This one, from our folks "up north" is clear.
Mr. Electric of Winnepeg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7KfBGB5NLw

Don't put heavy draw appliances on knob and tube circuits if you can't remove them from the
house. Use the newer outlets on modern wiring to connect devices like vacuum cleaners.

The knob and tube was designed for low draw use like lighting.

###
When I remodeled the kitchen and had to move the electric range line about 18 inches, the
real electricians at Lowes (back when they employed tradesmen in their departments) told me
to abandon the aluminum heavy wire I was describing and replace it with copper line from the
breaker box. I did exactly as they suggested but I pulled out the old aluminum cable and recycled it.

The house still uses aluminum large wires for the heat pump circuit but the electricians for
the HVAC guys treat the ends properly to prevent oxidation.

tjc78

The oxidation is the biggest problem with aluminum wire.  As long as the proper connections are used it is ok.   I’d bet everyone of us here has aluminum wiring for their main service cable from the electric company. 

PF_Flyer

ab348 said:

PF_Flyer said:

I don't know how often things like the headings will be used, but it's like when I can't find something in the drawer it has always been in because my wife moved it. Just letting you know about the new feng shui

Hopefully headings will never be used. When I saw that part in the instructions I immediately shivered and had a fearful flashback to wrestling with MS Word and its headings function during my working days, which I never mastered but which did occasionally pop up as unwanted obstacles when editing documents created by others. I don't think I ever was able to totally eradicate them. They were like dandelions, an unwanted pest. Bulleted and numbered lists were only slightly better. Everyone should just keep to the basics.

Well, thankfully, the choice to use of any or all of the formatting is optional and you won't have to edit anything with headings

It WILL be interesting to see who embellishes posts now and then...heh

jipster

Thanks for comments and video. The circuit breaker box was updated about 40 years ago. Couldn't really tell what all was going on with it. The home inspector said that "the outlets that are not grounded could be knob and tube.there is no way of telling for sure unless you pull the outlet out of the walls and.look at the wire. Insulation in attic is covering.some knob and tube.." .Home inspector didn't even mention the knob and tube touching the loose insulation in his report until I saw a photo of it in the report, and asked about it.

So home inspector didn't test these wires, didn't check which were live.

Owners just counter offered...verbal. They agree to all repairs (even the structural engineer inspection and repair...which was surprising) but not the knob and tube update. Say they wouldn't have the money?? Owner is having an electrician come out an give an estimate. Daughter says she doesn't want.to lose this house,.wants.to ask for a reduction in the price of the house if owners won't repair. I'm of the "Run" opinion. Gee,.and I'm the one who suggested buying a house over renting, to my daughter. I'm thinking this is gonna be about a $10,000 repair. Daughter said real estate agent said 3 or $4k to replace. I said he ain't no electrician...and he's wanting his commission.

Heading to Florida tomorrow boys. Will keep you updated from poolside....with bikini waitresses serving me ice cold beverages. ;-)

omarman

PF_Flyer said:

ab348 said:

PF_Flyer said:

I don't know how often things like the headings will be used, but it's like when I can't find something in the drawer it has always been in because my wife moved it. Just letting you know about the new feng shui

Hopefully headings will never be used. When I saw that part in the instructions I immediately shivered and had a fearful flashback to wrestling with MS Word and its headings function during my working days, which I never mastered but which did occasionally pop up as unwanted obstacles when editing documents created by others. I don't think I ever was able to totally eradicate them. They were like dandelions, an unwanted pest. Bulleted and numbered lists were only slightly better. Everyone should just keep to the basics.

Well, thankfully, the choice to use of any or all of the formatting is optional and you won't have to edit anything with headings

It WILL be interesting to see who embellishes posts now and then...heh

EDLIN C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT

ruking1

jipster said:

Thanks for comments and video. The circuit breaker box was updated about 40 years ago. Couldn't really tell what all was going on with it. The home inspector said that "the outlets that are not grounded could be knob and tube.there is no way of telling for sure unless you pull the outlet out of the walls and.look at the wire. Insulation in attic is covering.some knob and tube.." .Home inspector didn't even mention the knob and tube touching the loose insulation in his report until I saw a photo of it in the report, and asked about it.

So home inspector didn't test these wires, didn't check which were live.

Owners just counter offered...verbal. They agree to all repairs (even the structural engineer inspection and repair...which was surprising) but not the knob and tube update. Say they wouldn't have the money?? Owner is having an electrician come out an give an estimate. Daughter says she doesn't want.to lose this house,.wants.to ask for a reduction in the price of the house if owners won't repair. I'm of the "Run" opinion. Gee,.and I'm the one who suggested buying a house over renting, to my daughter. I'm thinking this is gonna be about a $10,000 repair. Daughter said real estate agent said 3 or $4k to replace. I said he ain't no electrician...and he's wanting his commission.

Heading to Florida tomorrow boys. Will keep you updated from poolside....with bikini waitresses serving me ice cold beverages. ;-)

The video raised an interesting question. IF the one example house had a 100 amp electrical addition, what was the rating of the old & “outdated” one? IF 200 amps are the (new) defacto standard, it makes all the sense in the world to do the electrical upgrade YESTERDAY!

When you start to see bikini clad shoppers at Walmart’s, etc,., after a while you get used to it.

PF_Flyer

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

PF_Flyer said:

In preparation for, and to give you a heads up on the upcoming comment box changes, I've posted a guide to the new comment box. I've covered everything, where you can find it, how to use it, and what it does. Any questions you might have can be posted here in this thread. Shouldn't be too big of an adjustment. It is simply a settings change on the comment box, NOT a change in the forums software. How you navigate, sign in, and all the rest remains the same. This will get us past the issues some users have had with the links for attaching images and the like. Check it out. Wanted to try and make sure that everyone, especially you folks that make a lot of posts, will be prepared and not surprised when we implement this.

Coming Attractions - Changes to the Comment Box

So, you’re assuming we’ll remember those instructions?????

I finally mastered this system....now, they decide to change it!

Nothing changing except the layout of the formatting tools. Same functions plus a few. But if you can click in the box, type and hit Post Comment, you're already a master!

PF_Flyer

omarman said:

PF_Flyer said:

ab348 said:

PF_Flyer said:

I don't know how often things like the headings will be used, but it's like when I can't find something in the drawer it has always been in because my wife moved it. Just letting you know about the new feng shui

Hopefully headings will never be used. When I saw that part in the instructions I immediately shivered and had a fearful flashback to wrestling with MS Word and its headings function during my working days, which I never mastered but which did occasionally pop up as unwanted obstacles when editing documents created by others. I don't think I ever was able to totally eradicate them. They were like dandelions, an unwanted pest. Bulleted and numbered lists were only slightly better. Everyone should just keep to the basics.

Well, thankfully, the choice to use of any or all of the formatting is optional and you won't have to edit anything with headings

It WILL be interesting to see who embellishes posts now and then...heh

EDLIN C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT

I do miss the DOS days... at times

henryn

omarman said:

EDLIN C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT

Now that takes me back! Although I never really used it, except in emergencies, when it was the only editor available. In those very early days, 1983, 1984, I was working with the DeSmet C Compiler, which included an editor called See. Many of my coworkers favored the IBM Personal Editor (PE and PE2), but I learned See and stuck with that one for many years.

ab348

omarman said:

EDLIN C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT

Back in those days I was very comfortable with using that. Not so much nowadays with Regedit *shudder*.

PF_Flyer

The new editor will be turned on tomorrow. No need to have you hold on to anything It's just a setting... and if someone left a penny in place of a circuit breaker and we see sparks, it can be switched off. If you DO have questions or see anything squirrely, use the Forums Feedback and Suggestions discussion so we don't have to dig to find them. Thanks

driver100

If I don't post tomorrow guys, you will know....I got lost in the new system.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

If I don't post tomorrow guys, you will know....I got lost in the new system.

May miracles never cease.

Oh, the wonders of Edmunds.

jmonroe

PF_Flyer

You can't get lost, because nothing is changing outside of the comment box

PF_Flyer

Just type and post, all will be well. Get fancy later

ruking1

PF_Flyer said:

Just type and post, all will be well. Get fancy later

Waiting for Godot.........😴

ruking1

PF_Flyer said:

Just type and post, all will be well. Get fancy later

Waiting for Godot.........😴 June 21, 2019 can’t be the start of the Apocalypse.

jipster

ruking1 said:

jipster said:

Thanks for comments and video. The circuit breaker box was updated about 40 years ago. Couldn't really tell what all was going on with it. The home inspector said that "the outlets that are not grounded could be knob and tube.there is no way of telling for sure unless you pull the outlet out of the walls and.look at the wire. Insulation in attic is covering.some knob and tube.." .Home inspector didn't even mention the knob and tube touching the loose insulation in his report until I saw a photo of it in the report, and asked about it.

So home inspector didn't test these wires, didn't check which were live.

Owners just counter offered...verbal. They agree to all repairs (even the structural engineer inspection and repair...which was surprising) but not the knob and tube update. Say they wouldn't have the money?? Owner is having an electrician come out an give an estimate. Daughter says she doesn't want.to lose this house,.wants.to ask for a reduction in the price of the house if owners won't repair. I'm of the "Run" opinion. Gee,.and I'm the one who suggested buying a house over renting, to my daughter. I'm thinking this is gonna be about a $10,000 repair. Daughter said real estate agent said 3 or $4k to replace. I said he ain't no electrician...and he's wanting his commission.

Heading to Florida tomorrow boys. Will keep you updated from poolside....with bikini waitresses serving me ice cold beverages. ;-)

The video raised an interesting question. IF the one example house had a 100 amp electrical addition, what was the rating of the old & “outdated” one? IF 200 amps are the (new) defacto standard, it makes all the sense in the world to do the electrical upgrade YESTERDAY!

When you start to see bikini clad shoppers at Walmart’s, etc,., after a while you get used to it.

Don't know. But popping holes in the walls to install new.lines looks expensive. Suppose to get the report back today.

PF_Flyer

The tears of the world are a constant quantity.

As are the Edmunds forums

ab348

PF_Flyer said:

The new editor will be turned on tomorrow. No need to have you hold on to anything

In case it all goes wrong tomorrow... it's been nice knowing y'all.

PF_Flyer

Fortunately, I GET the humor

andres3

Looking at used S4's online, it appears they are a collision magnet.

Michaell

andres3 said:

Looking at used S4's online, it appears they are a collision magnet.

It's not the arrow, it's the Indian.

bwia

Your Uber PT Cruiser Bruiser is ready.

driver100

jmonroe1 said:

driver100 said:

If I don't post tomorrow guys, you will know....I got lost in the new system.

May miracles never cease.

Oh, the wonders of Edmunds.

jmonroe

I may be back....we don't know yet!

driver100

PF_Flyer said:

Just type and post, all will be well. Get fancy later

It's the quoting I am concerned about. I'll give it a try, but if I misquote hope I don't get sued.

driver100

PF_Flyer said:

The tears of the world are a constant quantity.

As are the Edmunds forums

Lots of tears shed around here, especially when I read one of JMonroes novellas. Maybe we need a limiter that allows up to 50 words max....if you can't say it in 50 words it ain't worth my time reading it.

driver100

Michaell said:

andres3 said:

Looking at used S4's online, it appears they are a collision magnet.

It's not the arrow, it's the Indian.

It's like Mr Magoo.....why do all of these accidents happen around me?

jipster

tjc78 said:

Is the house being sold AS-IS?

If not tell the seller they must address the knob and tube, but then concede on most if not all of the other small BS things the home inspector finds. 

I have personally dealt with it during a remodel at my Cousin’s house and it wasn’t pretty since it had been hacked into over the years.  I kept demoing it until there were no hot wires, then ran all new cable to circuit box. 

House is not "as is". Probably put a few.too many small repair jobs in counter offer. I think about 14 items tota!. Wish I had put certain this huge deck in the backyard to restain. That will be a pain...on my back.

Nobody noticed from my prior post, but seller is providing the electrician to give an estimate on repairs, for that knob and tube. This doesnt sound right to me. This electrician could be sellers brother in law?? LOL. Told daughter she should get an second opinion from someone she picks out.

kyfdx

jipster said:

tjc78 said:

Is the house being sold AS-IS?

If not tell the seller they must address the knob and tube, but then concede on most if not all of the other small BS things the home inspector finds. 

I have personally dealt with it during a remodel at my Cousin’s house and it wasn’t pretty since it had been hacked into over the years.  I kept demoing it until there were no hot wires, then ran all new cable to circuit box. 

House is not "as is". Probably put a few.too many small repair jobs in counter offer. I think about 14 items tota!. Wish I had put certain this huge deck in the backyard to restain. That will be a pain...on my back.

Nobody noticed from my prior post, but seller is providing the electrician to give an estimate on repairs, for that knob and tube. This doesnt sound right to me. This electrician could be sellers brother in law?? LOL. Told daughter she should get an second opinion from someone she picks out.

Does it have a 200 amp panel?

If not, it's going to need a lot of work. But, all that depends on the price. You can't shop 70-110 yr old houses in the city, in her price range, without expecting that some improvements will be needed.

But, safety stuff like electric has to be done right away.

Michaell

Speaking of home electrics, I've got a quote for $349 to install a whole house surge protector. Installed at the fuse box, and will cover up to $75K in damage to any electronics.

We've had some issues with our power supply from our utility a month or so ago, and it took out the outlets in the garage. Cost $150 to set right.

With T-storm season upon us, and everybody now working from home, I feel this is a good investment to make.

ab348

Michaell said:

Speaking of home electrics, I've got a quote for $349 to install a whole house surge protector. Installed at the fuse box, and will cover up to $75K in damage to any electronics.

Actually that seems pretty inexpensive to me. I might look into one here.

berri

We had one put outside on our meter after several electricians told us the circuit breaker box protectors work, but often have to be replaced after protecting from a surge. Don't really know as I'm not an electrician or electrical engineer. In some places the outside one has to be installed by your electric company though.