2015 Mercedes C Class Lease Questions

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Michaell said:

Hi, could someone give me a monthly payment with tax for California on a 2015 C300 Sport RWD 4dr please? MSRP: 52k Final Price: 45k 36/10 and 24/10 How much would be the monthly w/ tax? Thank you very much.

.00136 and 63% for 36/10; .00136 and 69% for 24/10. Using your MSRP and Final Price, I get a pre-tax payment of $446/mo for 36 months and $490/mo for 24 months. What is the tax rate where you live?

8%

Michaell

abhit said:

Michaell said:

abhit said:

Hi guys,
I need some advice to judge how good this deal is for the C300. This is the base + premium pkg + pano roof + misc stuff.

This will be a 3 year 10k/yr miles lease.

Price : $45125
Delivery : $925
Total MSRP: $46050

Drive away (including 1st month payment) : $2500 (covers all fees etc.)
Monthly : $413.80 + 36.20( 8.75% tax) = $450

Residual Value : $29011 (63% of MSRP)

The dealer hinted that he is willing to bring the monthly further down, but I said I needed a day or so to think.

Is this a good deal? Is there room for negotiation? If so, what should be my strategy?
Are there any addons that I can ask for in the negotiation like include paid future servicing etc?

P.S.:I do not have the MF spelled out from the dealer and it would be great if someone can tell me how to calculate it from the given info.

.00136 and 63% for 36 months, 10,000 miles per year.

We would need to know the negotiated selling price in order to model a payment for you. It's not a good idea to negotiate the payment - too much opportunity for the dealer to manipulate the numbers in their favor.

The negotiated Selling price was around $39200.
How good is this deal?

Thanks,
Abhinav

I'm getting $408.66/mo with tax with the numbers you've provided. It's possible the dealer has marked up the MF on you for more profit, or there are additional fees being added into the selling price - either way, get the dealer to break all the numbers down for you.

abhit

Michaell said:

abhit said:

Michaell said:

abhit said:

Hi guys,
I need some advice to judge how good this deal is for the C300. This is the base + premium pkg + pano roof + misc stuff.

This will be a 3 year 10k/yr miles lease.

Price : $45125
Delivery : $925
Total MSRP: $46050

Drive away (including 1st month payment) : $2500 (covers all fees etc.)
Monthly : $413.80 + 36.20( 8.75% tax) = $450

Residual Value : $29011 (63% of MSRP)

The dealer hinted that he is willing to bring the monthly further down, but I said I needed a day or so to think.

Is this a good deal? Is there room for negotiation? If so, what should be my strategy?
Are there any addons that I can ask for in the negotiation like include paid future servicing etc?

P.S.:I do not have the MF spelled out from the dealer and it would be great if someone can tell me how to calculate it from the given info.

.00136 and 63% for 36 months, 10,000 miles per year.

We would need to know the negotiated selling price in order to model a payment for you. It's not a good idea to negotiate the payment - too much opportunity for the dealer to manipulate the numbers in their favor.

The negotiated Selling price was around $39200.
How good is this deal?

Thanks,
Abhinav

I'm getting $408.66/mo with tax with the numbers you've provided. It's possible the dealer has marked up the MF on you for more profit, or there are additional fees being added into the selling price - either way, get the dealer to break all the numbers down for you.

Yes, I will ask him to break it down when I go to him today. I think thats the reason he said he can work on the numbers when I was leaving. No wonder!

I am interested in finding out how you got to $408.66/mo.I came across the leaseguide.com site where I plugged in the numbers and got lesser monthly.
This is what I did:
- I added $795 as acquisition fee as Costs Added to Lease,
- Added Cap Cost Reduction as $2000 (approx. as 1st month is included in the $2500 down).
- Residual 63%
- Money Factor as 0.0015 (conservative than 0.00136)

It comes to $380.67 with taxes.

Is there anything wrong that I am assuming here?

Thanks for your help Michaell!!

Michaell

abhit said:

Michaell said:

abhit said:

Michaell said:

abhit said:

Hi guys,
I need some advice to judge how good this deal is for the C300. This is the base + premium pkg + pano roof + misc stuff.

This will be a 3 year 10k/yr miles lease.

Price : $45125
Delivery : $925
Total MSRP: $46050

Drive away (including 1st month payment) : $2500 (covers all fees etc.)
Monthly : $413.80 + 36.20( 8.75% tax) = $450

Residual Value : $29011 (63% of MSRP)

The dealer hinted that he is willing to bring the monthly further down, but I said I needed a day or so to think.

Is this a good deal? Is there room for negotiation? If so, what should be my strategy?
Are there any addons that I can ask for in the negotiation like include paid future servicing etc?

P.S.:I do not have the MF spelled out from the dealer and it would be great if someone can tell me how to calculate it from the given info.

.00136 and 63% for 36 months, 10,000 miles per year.

We would need to know the negotiated selling price in order to model a payment for you. It's not a good idea to negotiate the payment - too much opportunity for the dealer to manipulate the numbers in their favor.

The negotiated Selling price was around $39200.
How good is this deal?

Thanks,
Abhinav

I'm getting $408.66/mo with tax with the numbers you've provided. It's possible the dealer has marked up the MF on you for more profit, or there are additional fees being added into the selling price - either way, get the dealer to break all the numbers down for you.

Yes, I will ask him to break it down when I go to him today. I think thats the reason he said he can work on the numbers when I was leaving. No wonder!

I am interested in finding out how you got to $408.66/mo.I came across the leaseguide.com site where I plugged in the numbers and got lesser monthly.
This is what I did:
- I added $795 as acquisition fee as Costs Added to Lease,
- Added Cap Cost Reduction as $2000 (approx. as 1st month is included in the $2500 down).
- Residual 63%
- Money Factor as 0.0015 (conservative than 0.00136)

It comes to $380.67 with taxes.

Is there anything wrong that I am assuming here?

Thanks for your help Michaell!!

I was using the $39,200 as the cap cost, whereas you were using the $37,995. With your numbers, I'm getting the same payment you are.

carcrazy1225

Would appreciate your thoughts on this deal.
C300 4 matic
MSRP $46,840
Sales price $41,799
Residual 63%
MF: Not sure
$0 down
They are agreeing to take over my non-Mercedes lease that has $1190 in remaining payments and factor that into the sales price.

Monthly payment of $529 which includes two years of prepaid maintence.
Fair deal?
Thanks

Michaell

carcrazy1225 said:

Would appreciate your thoughts on this deal.
C300 4 matic
MSRP $46,840
Sales price $41,799
Residual 63%
MF: Not sure
$0 down
They are agreeing to take over my non-Mercedes lease that has $1190 in remaining payments and factor that into the sales price.

Monthly payment of $529 which includes two years of prepaid maintence.
Fair deal?
Thanks

What is the net cap cost?

Base MF is .00136; with your other numbers, I'm showing a pre-tax payment of $438.36/mo.

What car are you turning in? You may be leaving money on the table by having the MB dealer "take over the payments" - there might be more equity available. Call your leasing company to get a payoff value, and head over to the "Real World Trade in Values" discussion to see what your car is worth.

carcrazy1225

It's a 2012 Infiniti M37x.
Payoff: $29926.54
Residual value: $28509.00

Just found out that they are not taking over payments, they'll write me a check to cover remaining payments. I'd still have to pay the $500 disposition fee (which I was trying to avoid).

Couldn't find real world advice in the forums for this car as I couldn't find a good way to search that forum and there are a lot of posts.

Thoughts?

Michaell

carcrazy1225 said:

It's a 2012 Infiniti M37x.
Payoff: $29926.54
Residual value: $28509.00

Just found out that they are not taking over payments, they'll write me a check to cover remaining payments. I'd still have to pay the $500 disposition fee (which I was trying to avoid).

Couldn't find real world advice in the forums for this car as I couldn't find a good way to search that forum and there are a lot of posts.

Thoughts?

The discussion is called "Real World Trade in Values" - it's not brand specific, just a place where a couple of experts hang out and try to help folks get a good number for trade in. He hit the value of my daughter's MINI on the nose last year when we traded it in.

Yeah, I can see where the dealer would simply front you the money for the remaining payments, and you're on the hook for any other fees. Easier for them.

carcrazy1225

Thanks, found the other forum. Appreciate your help.

mrsweaters

Hi, can I have the MF and residual for a C250? 36 months, both 10K and 12K

Michaell

mrsweaters said:

Hi, can I have the MF and residual for a C250? 36 months, both 10K and 12K

.00109 and 61% / 62%

abhit

Hi guys,
I just signed the lease and I wanted to share the details:
C300 with sport premium and blind spot , rear view, pano roof msrp: $47735 ( incl fest fee)
Sale price : $42727 ( which includes 3year maintenance : $1375)
Cap cost red:$974
Adj cap cost:$41753

Residual:$30687

36m/10k lease

Monthly:$408.07 + tax ($35.71)
Total:$443.78

Hope this is a good deal.

Thanks for the help on this thread! 

Cheers!

Michaell

abhit said:

Hi guys,
I just signed the lease and I wanted to share the details:
C300 with sport premium and blind spot , rear view, pano roof msrp: $47735 ( incl fest fee)
Sale price : $42727 ( which includes 3year maintenance : $1375)
Cap cost red:$974
Adj cap cost:$41753

Residual:$30687

36m/10k lease

Monthly:$408.07 + tax ($35.71)
Total:$443.78

Hope this is a good deal.

Thanks for the help on this thread! 

Cheers!

Congrats on the new MB! Enjoy....

jimmy_newcar

I'm interested in the Money Factor and Residual for a 2015 C300 24 Months 12K mileage and 36 months 12k mileage

kyfdx

jimmy_newcar said:

I'm interested in the Money Factor and Residual for a 2015 C300 24 Months 12K mileage and 36 months 12k mileage

.00136 MF and 68%/62% residual

jjg5504

Can I please have the June MF and residual for C300 4matic sedan? 36 months 12K miles and also 27 if that is an option

Michaell

jjg5504 said:

Can I please have the June MF and residual for C300 4matic sedan? 36 months 12K miles and also 27 if that is an option

The May numbers expire today; we should hopefully see the June numbers later this week.

jjg5504

Did the numbers come in yet?

kyfdx

jjg5504 said:

Can I please have the June MF and residual for C300 4matic sedan? 36 months 12K miles and also 27 if that is an option

.00136 MF and 62% residual.

No 27 month option.

bthacher

Hey guys. Very first post on here as I am due for a new lease this August. A couple of questions...

1. My lease for my Honda Accord is up on August 3rd 2015. Should I wait until the last of the month/September 1st to get a C300 in anticipation of potential new deals or does it not matter? I wouldn't mind using someone else's car for 3 weeks if it meant I can knock of some money on my monthly payments for 3 years.

2. C300 2015, maybe some options, 15k miles, $0 down (only drive off), 24 or 36 months, - Is this doable for ~$400/month after taxes? I haven't gotten any numbers from any of the dealers but I assume some of you are knowledgeable of the LA market. I did, however, go in about 2 months ago and a salesperson told me I could have one for $399 after tax, fully loaded, 12k miles BUT with $3500 down.

Thanks so much for the help guys, I'm young and would rather turn to honest men on the forums than have my chain yanked around by someone at the dealers.

Best,
Bob

Michaell

bthacher said:

Hey guys. Very first post on here as I am due for a new lease this August. A couple of questions...

1. My lease for my Honda Accord is up on August 3rd 2015. Should I wait until the last of the month/September 1st to get a C300 in anticipation of potential new deals or does it not matter? I wouldn't mind using someone else's car for 3 weeks if it meant I can knock of some money on my monthly payments for 3 years.

2. C300 2015, maybe some options, 15k miles, $0 down (only drive off), 24 or 36 months, - Is this doable for ~$400/month after taxes? I haven't gotten any numbers from any of the dealers but I assume some of you are knowledgeable of the LA market. I did, however, go in about 2 months ago and a salesperson told me I could have one for $399 after tax, fully loaded, 12k miles BUT with $3500 down.

Thanks so much for the help guys, I'm young and would rather turn to honest men on the forums than have my chain yanked around by someone at the dealers.

Best,
Bob

Current numbers on the C300 are .00136 and 66% (24/15) or 60% (36/15).

We would need to know the MSRP and selling price in order to model a payment. Don't know what the numbers will look like in August.

We don't recommend putting money down on a lease - if the car is stolen or totaled, you lose that money.

bthacher

Michaell said:

Hey guys. Very first post on here as I am due for a new lease this August. A couple of questions... 1. My lease for my Honda Accord is up on August 3rd 2015. Should I wait until the last of the month/September 1st to get a C300 in anticipation of potential new deals or does it not matter? I wouldn't mind using someone else's car for 3 weeks if it meant I can knock of some money on my monthly payments for 3 years. 2. C300 2015, maybe some options, 15k miles, $0 down (only drive off), 24 or 36 months, - Is this doable for ~$400/month after taxes? I haven't gotten any numbers from any of the dealers but I assume some of you are knowledgeable of the LA market. I did, however, go in about 2 months ago and a salesperson told me I could have one for $399 after tax, fully loaded, 12k miles BUT with $3500 down. Thanks so much for the help guys, I'm young and would rather turn to honest men on the forums than have my chain yanked around by someone at the dealers. Best, Bob

Current numbers on the C300 are .00136 and 66% (24/15) or 60% (36/15). We would need to know the MSRP and selling price in order to model a payment. Don't know what the numbers will look like in August. We don't recommend putting money down on a lease - if the car is stolen or totaled, you lose that money.

Alright, I just got numbers from a dealer. 

MSRP would be $48,735 but dealer said he could knock off $8,500 for me

lambo73

I am just curious why dealership are giving $8k plus in discount from MSRP. I difference between invoice vs MSRP is only about $3.5k. Are there incentives currently out on this moldel? Thanks

vkid83

Does MB lease allow MSD similar to BMWFS to reduce MF? If so, whats the max number of MSD's allowed and how much does it reduce the MF?

Michaell

lambo73 said:

I am just curious why dealership are giving $8k plus in discount from MSRP. I difference between invoice vs MSRP is only about $3.5k. Are there incentives currently out on this moldel? Thanks

Apparently, but we don't have any specific information on it.

Michaell

vkid83 said:

Does MB lease allow MSD similar to BMWFS to reduce MF? If so, whats the max number of MSD's allowed and how much does it reduce the MF?

Yes, but only when the MF for the model is using the standard rate from MB - .00180-.00220. If the MF is supported in any way, MSDs are not allowed.

bthacher

So do my numbers work?

Michaell

bthacher said:

So do my numbers work?

Using a $48,735 MSRP, a selling price of $40,235, MF of .00136 and a 36/15 residual of 60%, I calculate a pre-tax payment of $399.88/mo. Assuming 9% sales tax, the payment goes up to $435.87/mo.

This assumes that you will cover all the fees up front (acquisition fee, dealer fee, tags/license, etc). If you roll any of them into the selling price, the payment goes up.

moodyhank

bthacher said:

So do my numbers work?

Hi @bthacher this is the best deal posted so far! Could you please share more details on the $8500 discount? Where is this dealer located? Is it a service loaner or demo car with some miles on it? Anything about a manufacturer rebate helping to get to $8500 number?

bthacher

Thanks a bunch, Michaell. @moodyhank (love Californication), it is at Keyes European in Van Nuys, Los Angeles. They are one of the biggest MB dealers in the country so I think that's why they can give such big discounts. They sell about 50 cars a day and their inventory is HUGE

rheumshoes

Hi everyone is this a good deal
c300 
msrp: 43825
selling: 39000
residual: 63
mf- 196
36.mo. 10k. Excellent credit
monthly : 496. Walk away paying 800- first and doc
this is in Texas so taxes are on entire value of vehicle
wierd though because I pay 409 in ny with maintainence so I know they can bring it down a bit . I'm sure taxes don't account for that much

moodyhank

Perhaps I spoke too soon @bthacher, looks like people are getting 19% off MSRP in OR:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w205-c-class/2244578-what-did-you-pay-your-2015-a-2.html

kyfdx

rheumshoes said:

Hi everyone is this a good deal
c300 
msrp: 43825
selling: 39000
residual: 63
mf- 196
36.mo. 10k. Excellent credit
monthly : 496. Walk away paying 800- first and doc
this is in Texas so taxes are on entire value of vehicle
wierd though because I pay 409 in ny with maintainence so I know they can bring it down a bit . I'm sure taxes don't account for that much

The money factor is marked up from the base MF of .00136. That is adding $40/mo. to the payment.

rheumshoes

Thanks ! i emailed them to see if they can work on the money factor. Heres hoping!!

rheumshoes

my dealer responded - where did you get those numbers ....lol

jimmy_newcar

Get a different dealer...

RickFLS4

Are residuals and money factors available for the new C63S yet (36 mo. / 15K per year)?

kyfdx

RickFLS4 said:

Are residuals and money factors available for the new C63S yet (36 mo. / 15K per year)?

Standard money factor and 46% residual

naplesbuyer

Just want to let everyone know the deal I got in Naples, Florida a smaller market than I think a lot of other dealers.

MSRP $44,950 (incl dest)
Sales price $38,450

added Garmin and tint at $600+$150 which can't be residualized, paid first, title & reg fees of $975

Final payment 36/12

naplesbuyer

Final payment 36/12 of $467.11 including 6% sales tax. (factor of .00126 with auto pay)

Included in the cap cost was the acquisition fee and I didn't notice the BS 'pre-delivery service charge' of $599.50, my bad.

Was just wondering, I thought I was doing well with $6500 of MSRP, but am annoyed at myself for not spotting dealer charge, but I know acquisition fee is non-negotiable so do you guys stink I still did well with $6500 even adding that back?

Also just a personal grip against MB, seeing as though Garmin is 'married' to car the minute you put SD card in they really should residualize it, not to mention $600 is still cheaper than MB nav system, but come on the street pilot on an iphone is $49.95...

Other than that the wife (who's car it is anyway) is delighted.

Thanks to all those who post, I actually quoted $8500 from Bthatcher looking to get to $7500 of MSRP, sales manager didn't believe anyone had that much play and stuck to the $6500.

lambo73

Hello. Is the MF/residual percentage the same for the C300 and C400. Thank you

kyfdx

naplesbuyer said:

Final payment 36/12 of $467.11 including 6% sales tax. (factor of .00126 with auto pay)

Included in the cap cost was the acquisition fee and I didn't notice the BS 'pre-delivery service charge' of $599.50, my bad.

Was just wondering, I thought I was doing well with $6500 of MSRP, but am annoyed at myself for not spotting dealer charge, but I know acquisition fee is non-negotiable so do you guys stink I still did well with $6500 even adding that back?

Also just a personal grip against MB, seeing as though Garmin is 'married' to car the minute you put SD card in they really should residualize it, not to mention $600 is still cheaper than MB nav system, but come on the street pilot on an iphone is $49.95...

Other than that the wife (who's car it is anyway) is delighted.

Thanks to all those who post, I actually quoted $8500 from Bthatcher looking to get to $7500 of MSRP, sales manager didn't believe anyone had that much play and stuck to the $6500.

You did well... .in Florida, $599 is a low dealer fee... lol.

kyfdx

lambo73 said:

Hello. Is the MF/residual percentage the same for the C300 and C400. Thank you

No.. .the C400 is much more expensive to lease.

bmwe92m3

Is the good lease rate for 2015 C63 AMG S
money factor: .00241
residual - 48%
12k /36 months

Is this standard money factor? I can get M5 for less..:)

lambo73

kyfdx said:

lambo73 said:

Hello. Is the MF/residual percentage the same for the C300 and C400. Thank you

No.. .the C400 is much more expensive to lease.

What is the MF/residual for C400 on a 36mths/12k per year? Thank you.

kyfdx

lambo73 said:

kyfdx said:

lambo73 said:

Hello. Is the MF/residual percentage the same for the C300 and C400. Thank you

No.. .the C400 is much more expensive to lease.

What is the MF/residual for C400 on a 36mths/12k per year? Thank you.

Standard money factor and 60% residual. (standard money factor is around .0020)

kyfdx

bmwe92m3 said:

Is the good lease rate for 2015 C63 AMG S
money factor: .00241
residual - 48%
12k /36 months

Is this standard money factor? I can get M5 for less..:)

We don't know the exact standard money factor... .it's usually somewhere around .0020

Any specialty car like that one is going to be expensive to lease. Heavy depreciation and less price sensitive customers.

bmwe92m3

kyfdx said:

bmwe92m3 said:

Is the good lease rate for 2015 C63 AMG S
money factor: .00241
residual - 48%
12k /36 months

Is this standard money factor? I can get M5 for less..:)

We don't know the exact standard money factor... .it's usually somewhere around .0020

Any specialty car like that one is going to be expensive to lease. Heavy depreciation and less price sensitive customers.

i don't think c63 amg s is a specialty car. I know its expensive, however having money factor close to 6% is simply crazy, when i compare to the competition. Residual % i can understand being new car (still very bad).. however money factor is simply crap.

mmucci9046

Hey guys, new here and want to get some opinions on the lease deal I was offered. I live in NJ

2015 C300 4Matic with Sport, Premium, Multimedia, Lighting Packages, Pano roof, etc. pretty much loaded
36 months, 12K miles per year
MSRP $50595
Dealer Price after discounts (ABA, etc.) $45800
Up front - $2250 (bank, acquisition, title/license fees and 1st month payment)
MF - .00136, said he would go down to .00126 if I did autopay

He quoted me a payment of $549 a month. I ran the numbers in LeaseGuide and got $526.91 (used 63% residual and 7% tax)

What am I missing? I know their acquisition fee is high ($1095) which I will try and negotiate, but he specifically told me that none of that is being rolled into the lease and I am paying it up front.

Appreciate your input, thanks!

moodyhank

@mmucci9046 I recently negotiated for a similarly equipped C300 (MSRP $50,290) and got $8,500 off. If you look at Mercedes Benz forums you can see people getting 19% off on $53k cars and 17% on $48k cars so at around $50k you should be able to get a discount of 17.5% or 18%.

As for the delta between your calculation and the dealer's number, residual for 12k is 62% not 63%.