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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    BrooklynB said:
    MF and RV for 36/12 on awd w/tech/entertainment/acurawatch, and the awd advanced w/entertainment. april rates are fine if may isn't available yet Is the 1k lease cash still available? Not sure how it works, does it act as cap reduction, or do they cut me a 1k check when I close? I am simultaneously going to purchase an odyssey when leasing this pilot to get a better deal. Think I can somehow get the 1k loyalty bonus as well? Does that bonus work the same way as the incentive? Thanks for the info!
    .00020 and 57%. $1000 lease cash. Numbers expire tomorrow 5/2/16

    doubt that Honda and Acura programs can be mixed. 

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  • BrooklynBBrooklynB Member Posts: 17
    Do you have an expiration date on the 1k lease cash?

    is the lease cash a cap reduction or a post closing cash incentive?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,520
    BrooklynB said:

    Do you have an expiration date on the 1k lease cash?

    is the lease cash a cap reduction or a post closing cash incentive?

    Numbers expire tomorrow 5/2/16

    The lease cash is a dealer incentive. Use that knowledge to negotiate a lower selling price.

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  • demom13demom13 Member Posts: 6
    Need help on quote for 2016 MDX SH-AWD w/Advance & Ent pkg.
    Asking for ~$3,000 down to cover 1st mo payment $650, tags $480; tax $1500, bank fee $595.
    MF .0002 and 57%
    $649/mo; 36 mo. 12k/miles

    First time leasing so need to see if this is fair and will move since expires today for April incentives...?
    THANKS
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    demom13 said:

    Need help on quote for 2016 MDX SH-AWD w/Advance & Ent pkg.
    Asking for ~$3,000 down to cover 1st mo payment $650, tags $480; tax $1500, bank fee $595.
    MF .0002 and 57%
    $649/mo; 36 mo. 12k/miles

    First time leasing so need to see if this is fair and will move since expires today for April incentives...?
    THANKS

    Those are the correct MF and residual amounts.

    What is the MSRP and adjusted cap cost?

    Payment seems high given you are paying all the fees and such up front, but need the prices to be sure.

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  • demom13demom13 Member Posts: 6
    Here are the prices (forgot these originally).
    MSRP $58,170 but reduced to $54,420
    Adj Cap Cost $55,436

    Thanks again!
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    demom13 said:

    Here are the prices (forgot these originally).
    MSRP $58,170 but reduced to $54,420
    Adj Cap Cost $55,436

    Thanks again!

    I get $637/mo with those prices.

    That's about a $400 difference to your monthly payment quote.

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  • txmjtxmj Member Posts: 8

    The lease is 36 months, 15000 miles per year. Payment of $396.94 includes all tax and fees. No first payment. Trading in 2015 MDX base model with 21 payments left. 

    Which dealer are you working with in DFW?
  • carmaster1carmaster1 Member Posts: 68
    Autonation Acura in Houston, TX. Got delivery last week
  • carmaster1carmaster1 Member Posts: 68
    txmj said:
    The lease is 36 months, 15000 miles per year. Payment of $396.94 includes all tax and fees. No first payment. Trading in 2015 MDX base model with 21 payments left. 
    Which dealer are you working with in DFW?
    The dealer is in Houston rather. Autonation Acura. He had quoted $391/mo. for 36/15k (Including all taxes and fees) with zero down. But we ended up leasing a base with acurawatch plus for $396/mo.
  • txmjtxmj Member Posts: 8


    txmj said:

    The lease is 36 months, 15000 miles per year. Payment of $396.94 includes all tax and fees. No first payment. Trading in 2015 MDX base model with 21 payments left. 

    Which dealer are you working with in DFW?

    The dealer is in Houston rather. Autonation Acura. He had quoted $391/mo. for 36/15k (Including all taxes and fees) with zero down. But we ended up leasing a base with acurawatch plus for $396/mo.

    Nice. Thank you for your reply and Congratulation on your new MDX.
  • adswheelsadswheels Member Posts: 5
    Anyone else anxious to see the May programs & incentives? I know I am.
  • mkhill1mkhill1 Member Posts: 16
    Looking for MF/RV for base MDX FWD and AWD 36/10 for tier two credit
  • redwheels1redwheels1 Member Posts: 12
    Looking for MF and RV for SH-AWD w/ Tech, 36/12. Do you have May numbers yet?
  • adswheelsadswheels Member Posts: 5
    Looks like they extended the current offers. Any new lease cash available on AWD tech or still $1000?
  • carmaster1carmaster1 Member Posts: 68
    edited May 2016


  • tioneb33tioneb33 Member Posts: 2
    Hello, first time getting a lease and would really appreciate some help.
    These are the number I got for a 2WD with tech in Southern Cal

    MSRP $48,380
    Lease price $42,995*
    $0 down. That take care of your first month and registration.
    12 k a year
    36 months term
    $501.79 + tax = $546.95

    It seems just okay. Thanks.
  • carmaster1carmaster1 Member Posts: 68
    Newbie here! Looking at the 2016 base MDX lease with acura watch. 36/12 with first payment down. The dealer came down to $530/month. I am turning in my 2013 sh-awd TL lease 3 months early, which they said has no negative effect on us. They want us to sign tomorrow night. What info do I need on the car to run numbers? This price is way too high! Thanks!
    It does sound high. I leased the same car last week at 36/15 for $396/mo. with nothing down. Plus I turned in a 2015 MDX 22 months early. Ask for 15%off MSRP plus any rebates  (lease cash, loyalty cash, etc). I hope that helps and good luck. 

    Newbie here! Looking at the 2016 base MDX lease with acura watch. 36/12 with first payment down. The dealer came down to $530/month. I am turning in my 2013 sh-awd TL lease 3 months early, which they said has no negative effect on us. They want us to sign tomorrow night. What info do I need on the car to run numbers? This price is way too high! Thanks!


  • carmaster1carmaster1 Member Posts: 68
    Newbie here! Looking at the 2016 base MDX lease with acura watch. 36/12 with first payment down. The dealer came down to $530/month. I am turning in my 2013 sh-awd TL lease 3 months early, which they said has no negative effect on us. They want us to sign tomorrow night. What info do I need on the car to run numbers? This price is way too high! Thanks!
    It does sound high. I leased the same car last week at 36/15 for $396/mo. with nothing down. Plus I turned in a 2015 MDX 22 months early. Ask for 15%off MSRP plus any rebates  (lease cash, loyalty cash, etc). I hope that helps and good luck. 



  • shotzy4shotzy4 Member Posts: 20
    Looking for the may numbers on the 2016 mdx with tech and acurawatch. 36/12

    Thanks
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,520
    Sorry, but we haven't received Acura lease information for this month.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    mkhill1 said:

    Looking for MF/RV for base MDX FWD and AWD 36/10 for tier two credit

    No tier 2 credit numbers - base MF is .00020. 59% residual for 36/10.

    $1000 lease cash.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160

    Looking for MF and RV for SH-AWD w/ Tech, 36/12. Do you have May numbers yet?

    .00020 and 56%. $1000 lease cash

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    adswheels said:

    Looks like they extended the current offers. Any new lease cash available on AWD tech or still $1000?

    Still $1000 this month.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    tioneb33 said:

    Hello, first time getting a lease and would really appreciate some help.
    These are the number I got for a 2WD with tech in Southern Cal

    MSRP $48,380
    Lease price $42,995*
    $0 down. That take care of your first month and registration.
    12 k a year
    36 months term
    $501.79 + tax = $546.95

    It seems just okay. Thanks.

    With your prices, I get $456/mo plus tax. Find out what the adjusted cap cost is - if different than the selling price, find out what's been added.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    shotzy4 said:

    Looking for the may numbers on the 2016 mdx with tech and acurawatch. 36/12

    Thanks

    .00020 and 56%. $1000 lease cash.

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  • fixthissffixthissf Member Posts: 17
    Hi, I'm interested in:
    MF and RV for 2016 MDX Base AWD, Tech AWD, and Advance AWD for 36/12 in CA (SF bay area).

    If I'm following prior posts, the May rates are same as April, and 12K is 2% higher RV than 15K
    thus:
    36/12 = .00020 and 59% (Base) or 57% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash (to dealer).
    36/15 = .00020 and 57% (Base) or 55% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash. (to dealer)

    Is this right?
    And is there still MF of .00010 for 'sign and drive' leases?
    Many thanks!
  • _carrera_carrera Member Posts: 25
    What's the current 24/10 residual and MF for all trims?
    Current incentives?
    Thanks!
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    fixthissf said:

    Hi, I'm interested in:
    MF and RV for 2016 MDX Base AWD, Tech AWD, and Advance AWD for 36/12 in CA (SF bay area).

    If I'm following prior posts, the May rates are same as April, and 12K is 2% higher RV than 15K
    thus:
    36/12 = .00020 and 59% (Base) or 57% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash (to dealer).
    36/15 = .00020 and 57% (Base) or 55% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash. (to dealer)

    Is this right?
    And is there still MF of .00010 for 'sign and drive' leases?
    Many thanks!

    Not correct.

    36/15 numbers are:

    56% for base; 54% for all other trims. Add 2% for 12K

    .00020 for all trims other than AcuraWatch; .00013 for AW

    $1000 lease cash is correct.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,520
    _carrera said:

    What's the current 24/10 residual and MF for all trims?
    Current incentives?
    Thanks!

    .00020 MF

    65% residual for Base, 63% residual for all other trims.

    36/10 residuals are 59%/57%.

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  • fixthissffixthissf Member Posts: 17
    Michaell said:
    Hi, I'm interested in: MF and RV for 2016 MDX Base AWD, Tech AWD, and Advance AWD for 36/12 in CA (SF bay area). If I'm following prior posts, the May rates are same as April, and 12K is 2% higher RV than 15K thus: 36/12 = .00020 and 59% (Base) or 57% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash (to dealer). 36/15 = .00020 and 57% (Base) or 55% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash. (to dealer) Is this right? And is there still MF of .00010 for 'sign and drive' leases? Many thanks!
    Not correct. 36/15 numbers are: 56% for base; 54% for all other trims. Add 2% for 12K .00020 for all trims other than AcuraWatch; .00013 for AW $1000 lease cash is correct.
    Thanks!  And is there anything for "sign and drive"?
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    fixthissf said:


    Michaell said:

    Hi, I'm interested in:
    MF and RV for 2016 MDX Base AWD, Tech AWD, and Advance AWD for 36/12 in CA (SF bay area).

    If I'm following prior posts, the May rates are same as April, and 12K is 2% higher RV than 15K
    thus:
    36/12 = .00020 and 59% (Base) or 57% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash (to dealer).
    36/15 = .00020 and 57% (Base) or 55% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash. (to dealer)

    Is this right?
    And is there still MF of .00010 for 'sign and drive' leases?
    Many thanks!
    Not correct.

    36/15 numbers are:

    56% for base; 54% for all other trims. Add 2% for 12K

    .00020 for all trims other than AcuraWatch; .00013 for AW

    $1000 lease cash is correct.

    Thanks!  And is there anything for "sign and drive"?

    Argh!

    Sorry, I was quoting you the wrong MF. The MF for the MDX is .00020 for regular leases, .00010 for 'sign and drive'. No difference based on trim level.

    The residuals I gave you are correct.

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  • fixthissffixthissf Member Posts: 17
    Michaell said:
    Hi, I'm interested in: MF and RV for 2016 MDX Base AWD, Tech AWD, and Advance AWD for 36/12 in CA (SF bay area). If I'm following prior posts, the May rates are same as April, and 12K is 2% higher RV than 15K thus: 36/12 = .00020 and 59% (Base) or 57% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash (to dealer). 36/15 = .00020 and 57% (Base) or 55% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash. (to dealer) Is this right? And is there still MF of .00010 for 'sign and drive' leases? Many thanks!
    Not correct. 36/15 numbers are: 56% for base; 54% for all other trims. Add 2% for 12K .00020 for all trims other than AcuraWatch; .00013 for AW $1000 lease cash is correct.
    Thanks!  And is there anything for "sign and drive"?
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    fixthissf said:


    Michaell said:

    fixthissf said:

    Hi, I'm interested in:
    MF and RV for 2016 MDX Base AWD, Tech AWD, and Advance AWD for 36/12 in CA (SF bay area).

    If I'm following prior posts, the May rates are same as April, and 12K is 2% higher RV than 15K
    thus:
    36/12 = .00020 and 59% (Base) or 57% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash (to dealer).
    36/15 = .00020 and 57% (Base) or 55% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash. (to dealer)

    Is this right?
    And is there still MF of .00010 for 'sign and drive' leases?
    Many thanks!

    Not correct.

    36/15 numbers are:

    56% for base; 54% for all other trims. Add 2% for 12K

    .00020 for all trims other than AcuraWatch; .00013 for AW

    $1000 lease cash is correct.

    Thanks!  And is there anything for "sign and drive"?

    Look at the post above yours .. I corrected the information I provided.

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  • fixthissffixthissf Member Posts: 17
    Michaell said:

    fixthissf said:


    Michaell said:

    Hi, I'm interested in:
    MF and RV for 2016 MDX Base AWD, Tech AWD, and Advance AWD for 36/12 in CA (SF bay area).

    If I'm following prior posts, the May rates are same as April, and 12K is 2% higher RV than 15K
    thus:
    36/12 = .00020 and 59% (Base) or 57% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash (to dealer).
    36/15 = .00020 and 57% (Base) or 55% (Tech / Advance). $1000 lease cash. (to dealer)

    Is this right?
    And is there still MF of .00010 for 'sign and drive' leases?
    Many thanks!
    Not correct.

    36/15 numbers are:

    56% for base; 54% for all other trims. Add 2% for 12K

    .00020 for all trims other than AcuraWatch; .00013 for AW

    $1000 lease cash is correct.

    Thanks!  And is there anything for "sign and drive"?

    Argh!

    Sorry, I was quoting you the wrong MF. The MF for the MDX is .00020 for regular leases, .00010 for 'sign and drive'. No difference based on trim level.

    The residuals I gave you are correct.

    Thanks Michaell
  • eds92eds92 Member Posts: 9
    edited May 2016
    Hello Michaell.
    Could you clarify if $1,000 lease cash referenced here is good only for Tech and Advance package MDX, but not for the Base model?
    One of the local dealers telling me that it won’t work with Base.
    Thank you.
  • adswheelsadswheels Member Posts: 5
    Just sharing the deal I closed yesterday:

    2016 AWD w/Tech
    MSRP: 50,380
    Cap cost: 45,500
    12K/56%

    They used lease cash, hocus pocus, and the $500 graduate cash. I paid $520 to drive off. Payments of $550 (including all fees & NYC tax of 8.87%) start next month. Very satisfied.  Very lean deal. Thanks for all the insight. 
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    eds92 said:

    Hello Michaell.
    Could you clarify if $1,000 lease cash referenced here is good only for Tech and Advance package MDX, but not for the Base model?
    One of the local dealers telling me that it won’t work with Base.
    Thank you.

    Correct. Base trim is excluded from $1000 lease cash.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    adswheels said:

    Just sharing the deal I closed yesterday:

    2016 AWD w/Tech
    MSRP: 50,380
    Cap cost: 45,500
    12K/56%

    They used lease cash, hocus pocus, and the $500 graduate cash. I paid $520 to drive off. Payments of $550 (including all fees & NYC tax of 8.87%) start next month. Very satisfied.  Very lean deal. Thanks for all the insight. 

    Congrats and enjoy the new Acura!

    Appreciate you sharing your deal details with us.

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  • kash922kash922 Member Posts: 16
    Hey Michael,

    We are planning on purchasing the 2016 MDX with awd, tech and Acurawatch plus in MD (36/10)

    MSRP: 51, 580.
    Agreed Value: 46, 345
    Cap cost: 48, 679
    (additional fees: tax, title, registration, dealer doc, acquisition)

    (the cap cost does not include lease cash or trade-in value)

    -if you incorporate trade-in value and lease cash the adjusted cap is: 46,458

    What is the monthly number for these figures? We will be doing a sign and drive without paying the first month.

    We are trading in a vehicle. I know that using the money towards cap cost reduction is a bad idea. How do you avoid this on a trade-in (the trade is mitigating our tax burden-which in MD is on the price of the vehicle and not usage)?

    Thank you for all your help!

  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    kash922 said:

    Hey Michael,

    We are planning on purchasing the 2016 MDX with awd, tech and Acurawatch plus in MD (36/10)

    MSRP: 51, 580.
    Agreed Value: 46, 345
    Cap cost: 48, 679
    (additional fees: tax, title, registration, dealer doc, acquisition)

    (the cap cost does not include lease cash or trade-in value)

    -if you incorporate trade-in value and lease cash the adjusted cap is: 46,458

    What is the monthly number for these figures? We will be doing a sign and drive without paying the first month.

    We are trading in a vehicle. I know that using the money towards cap cost reduction is a bad idea. How do you avoid this on a trade-in (the trade is mitigating our tax burden-which in MD is on the price of the vehicle and not usage)?

    Thank you for all your help!

    There is a difference between using trade equity as capitalized cost reduction (down payment) versus using it to cover up front fees and taxes.

    In your case, using it to address the tax on the full vehicle price makes sense; alternatively, you could add that tax amount to the cap cost and spread it out over the lease term.

    If you choose the latter, simply have the dealer cut you a check for the equity.

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  • fixthissffixthissf Member Posts: 17
    eds92 said:
    Hello Michaell. Could you clarify if $1,000 lease cash referenced here is good only for Tech and Advance package MDX, but not for the Base model? One of the local dealers telling me that it won’t work with Base. Thank you.
    I'm being told the same thing re base. And now see mention of same earlier in postings. I'd also appreciate knowing if this is accurate, thanks?
  • fixthissffixthissf Member Posts: 17
    fixthissf said:
    eds92 said:
    Hello Michaell. Could you clarify if $1,000 lease cash referenced here is good only for Tech and Advance package MDX, but not for the Base model? One of the local dealers telling me that it won’t work with Base. Thank you.
    I'm being told the same thing re base. And now see mention of same earlier in postings. I'd also appreciate knowing if this is accurate, thanks?
    Never mind, I now see michael has confirmed. Thanks
  • kash922kash922 Member Posts: 16
    Michaell said:
    Hey Michael,

    We are planning on purchasing the 2016 MDX with awd, tech and Acurawatch plus in MD (36/10)

    MSRP: 51, 580.
    Agreed Value: 46, 345
    Cap cost: 48, 679
    (additional fees: tax, title, registration, dealer doc, acquisition)

    (the cap cost does not include lease cash or trade-in value)

    -if you incorporate trade-in value and lease cash the adjusted cap is: 46,458

    What is the monthly number for these figures? We will be doing a sign and drive without paying the first month.

    We are trading in a vehicle. I know that using the money towards cap cost reduction is a bad idea. How do you avoid this on a trade-in (the trade is mitigating our tax burden-which in MD is on the price of the vehicle and not usage)?

    Thank you for all your help!

    There is a difference between using trade equity as capitalized cost reduction (down payment) versus using it to cover up front fees and taxes. In your case, using it to address the tax on the full vehicle price makes sense; alternatively, you could add that tax amount to the cap cost and spread it out over the lease term. If you choose the latter, simply have the dealer cut you a check for the equity.
    Thanks Michael: what monthly payment do you get for the referenced vehicle for the two cap cost: 48,679 or 46,458 if we use the trade to go towards taxes and fees?
  • arenew115arenew115 Member Posts: 3
    2016 MDX AWD Base RV & MF for 36/12 in Houston TX please? Thank you!
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,160
    kash922 said:


    Michaell said:

    Hey Michael,

    We are planning on purchasing the 2016 MDX with awd, tech and Acurawatch plus in MD (36/10)

    MSRP: 51, 580.
    Agreed Value: 46, 345
    Cap cost: 48, 679
    (additional fees: tax, title, registration, dealer doc, acquisition)

    (the cap cost does not include lease cash or trade-in value)

    -if you incorporate trade-in value and lease cash the adjusted cap is: 46,458

    What is the monthly number for these figures? We will be doing a sign and drive without paying the first month.

    We are trading in a vehicle. I know that using the money towards cap cost reduction is a bad idea. How do you avoid this on a trade-in (the trade is mitigating our tax burden-which in MD is on the price of the vehicle and not usage)?

    Thank you for all your help!

    There is a difference between using trade equity as capitalized cost reduction (down payment) versus using it to cover up front fees and taxes.

    In your case, using it to address the tax on the full vehicle price makes sense; alternatively, you could add that tax amount to the cap cost and spread it out over the lease term.

    If you choose the latter, simply have the dealer cut you a check for the equity.

    Thanks Michael: what monthly payment do you get for the referenced vehicle for the two cap cost: 48,679 or 46,458 if we use the trade to go towards taxes and fees?

    $551/mo or $489/mo, respectively.

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  • kash922kash922 Member Posts: 16
    Michaell said:
    Hey Michael,

    We are planning on purchasing the 2016 MDX with awd, tech and Acurawatch plus in MD (36/10)

    MSRP: 51, 580.
    Agreed Value: 46, 345
    Cap cost: 48, 679
    (additional fees: tax, title, registration, dealer doc, acquisition)

    (the cap cost does not include lease cash or trade-in value)

    -if you incorporate trade-in value and lease cash the adjusted cap is: 46,458

    What is the monthly number for these figures? We will be doing a sign and drive without paying the first month.

    We are trading in a vehicle. I know that using the money towards cap cost reduction is a bad idea. How do you avoid this on a trade-in (the trade is mitigating our tax burden-which in MD is on the price of the vehicle and not usage)?

    Thank you for all your help!

    There is a difference between using trade equity as capitalized cost reduction (down payment) versus using it to cover up front fees and taxes. In your case, using it to address the tax on the full vehicle price makes sense; alternatively, you could add that tax amount to the cap cost and spread it out over the lease term. If you choose the latter, simply have the dealer cut you a check for the equity.
    Thanks Michael: what monthly payment do you get for the referenced vehicle for the two cap cost: 48,679 or 46,458 if we use the trade to pay for taxes and fees?
  • dkirandkiran Member Posts: 2
    Hi Michael,
    Thank you for your helpful posts. I have received this offer in Cincinnati, OH and it seems substantially higher.

    Acura SH-AWD MD Tech + Entertainment
    A.Honda Preferred Tier
    36/10
    MSRP - $52,380 [The website says $51,440, both acura dealers have this as their MSRP]
    6.75% Upfront Sales Tax - $1348.75 [ I don't know why this is not included in the monthly payment. Could be an OH thing ?]
    Acquisition Fee - $595
    Cap, Lic, Title - $250
    Down Payment - $750

    Cap. Cost - $50,027.75

    Residual Value - 57% - $29856.60 [57% at 10KMI for Tech+Ent, what is it for 12KMI]

    Monthly Payment - $593.06

    Even if I use edmunds calculators, it comes down to around $600. Is this correct ?

    Lastly he calculates $32.75 + $560.31 (Monthly Depreciation). Does anyone know what this $32.75 is?

    Thanks in advance


  • dkirandkiran Member Posts: 2
    One quick addition 32.75 = 79884*0.000410 - I am not sure what this is.
  • fixthissffixthissf Member Posts: 17
    What are the details of the "sign and drive" lease option?  I'm looking at 40991 price on 45955 msrp for awd base.  This has the .00010 MF and no-rebate. 

    I'm told the regular program has the .00020 MF and a $750 rebate (also available if finance). 

    What's the delta on these program?  For sin and drive, is a payment rolled into cap cost or waived or payments calculated based on 35?

    thanks


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