2015 Infiniti Q50 Lease Questions

Michaell

g6leaser said:

called back and confirmed offer - even was able to make out of pocket only 250

Even better. Congrats on the new Infiniti!

g6leaser

Picked it up today, deal as promised only 250 down plus check for 3100 to cover my lease will post official numbers later. Shocked at deal, thank you Michael for all of your help. Best dealer experience ever.

g6leaser

Hello Michael - when I run I am 3 dollars off.
My 3100 lease buy out by the dealer is nowhere to be found in here....

Here are the official deal numbers:
2015 Infiniti Q50 Hybrid AWD Premium
(MF .00025 Res 53%) 39 months, 10k miles year - New Jersey

MSRP 50010
Title 60
Reg 298.50
Doc Fee 379
Tire Fee 6.00

Gross Cap Cost 42524.35 (Sale price 40708)

Residual 26505.30
Amount Due at signing 1171.50 (250 down plus dealer contribution of 921.50)
First month 428

Michaell

g6leaser said:

Hello Michael - when I run I am 3 dollars off.
My 3100 lease buy out by the dealer is nowhere to be found in here....

Here are the official deal numbers:
2015 Infiniti Q50 Hybrid AWD Premium
(MF .00025 Res 53%) 39 months, 10k miles year - New Jersey

MSRP 50010
Title 60
Reg 298.50
Doc Fee 379
Tire Fee 6.00

Gross Cap Cost 42524.35 (Sale price 40708)

Residual 26505.30
Amount Due at signing 1171.50 (250 down plus dealer contribution of 921.50)
First month 428

My guess is that they kept the lease payoff a separate transaction, but couldn't tell you why.

And, don't worry about $3/mo - you're driving an Infiniti! Enjoy the car.

kyfdx

@g6leaser Be careful with turning in your old lease. Don't rely on anyone at the dealership, regarding possible lease-end charges. Even if you pre-pay all of your payments, it could still be considered early termination, and leave you liable for hefty additional charges.

Contact the leasing bank, and get everything in writing. Sometimes, it's cheaper to just keep the vehicle and turn it in at lease end.

g6leaser

I called ally on numerous occassions and was told there were no early termination fees or disposition fee, should have been recorded. I will contact again just in case.

kyfdx

g6leaser said:

I called ally on numerous occassions and was told there were no early termination fees or disposition fee, should have been recorded. I will contact again just in case.

Hey... congrats on the new Infiniti. That's a great deal.

g6leaser

thank you kyfdx and michael, your help is always appreciated and always spot on!

unlockiphone

Hey want to know if this is a good deal in im NJ and what numbers you get.
Q50 2015 AUDI w/navi
MSRP- 45,630
SELLING PRICE 37,800
12k miles
1500 OUT OF POCKET including taxes and fees and first month payment
Residual value : 22,815
Money factor 0.0003
I CURRENTLY have a lease on a G37x that's up in Nov my payments are 365 the dealer said they would take care of all of them and not put them on this new car.

Gave me a monthly of $369 what do you think of this deal? 

Michaell

unlockiphone said:

Hey want to know if this is a good deal in im NJ and what numbers you get.
Q50 2015 AUDI w/navi
MSRP- 45,630
SELLING PRICE 37,800
12k miles
1500 OUT OF POCKET including taxes and fees and first month payment
Residual value : 22,815
Money factor 0.0003
I CURRENTLY have a lease on a G37x that's up in Nov my payments are 365 the dealer said they would take care of all of them and not put them on this new car.

Gave me a monthly of $369 what do you think of this deal? 

What lease term is this for?

unlockiphone

@Michaell I think this is for 39 that's what I usually do but it could be 36 waiting for them to confirm. 

Michaell

unlockiphone said:

@Michaell I think this is for 39 that's what I usually do but it could be 36 waiting for them to confirm. 

$369 for a car that stickers at almost $46k is a decent payment.

unlockiphone

Yeah I thought the deal was good especially since they are willing to take over almost 7payments. It was definitely 39mos what numbers do you yet for that does it come to close or more ? Thank you @Michaell

Michaell

unlockiphone said:

Yeah I thought the deal was good especially since they are willing to take over almost 7payments. It was definitely 39mos what numbers do you yet for that does it come to close or more ? Thank you @Michaell

I get $386 with these numbers so you've got a pretty sweet deal.

g6leaser

Is this an audi or q50?

1anthonyabbs

Any thoughts on this deal
2015 q50 premium awd w/nav
39/12k
msrp 45200
selling price 33476
all taxes and fees etc. rolled into the cap cost
total cap cost 35816
338 drive off 338/month
thanks.

Michaell

1anthonyabbs said:

Any thoughts on this deal
2015 q50 premium awd w/nav
39/12k
msrp 45200
selling price 33476
all taxes and fees etc. rolled into the cap cost
total cap cost 35816
338 drive off 338/month
thanks.

I get $341/mo, so pretty close.

.00003 and 50% for 39/12 on the AWD Premium

g6leaser

Excellent deal, excellent car! Enjoy the ride!

soxfan82

 I'm so glad this form exists!  Can I run this deal by you guys to see what you think? I'm in Maine.

'15 Q50 Premium, loaded
Msrp: $52,680
Sale price: $45,250
Doc fee: $399
Taxes: $1,253.07
Aquisition: $925

Capitalized cost: $47,879.57
39 months, 12K miles/yr
Residual: 50%
Money factor: .00043
$0 down
$584.20/mo

Thanks!

dgreene17

Hello,

Maybe this isn't the best forum for this question as it is sort of a general leasing question-but I'll try here.

When I see these figures given for residuals-say 51% for 36/10-is that residual just for the base price of the car-with the residual for the options figured differently-or does it apply no matter what options/trim level you are looking to lease. ?

For example, assuming the miles and term are equal-would the residual be the same for a base model Q50 as for say a Q50 Premium with Deluxe Touring Package. Or would the residual only apply to the base price with the options having a lower residual.

It seems I read that somewhere before, but I could be mistaken-though it kind of makes sense to me, as most options on a car seem to depreciate faster than the car itself.

Michaell

dgreene17 said:

Hello,

Maybe this isn't the best forum for this question as it is sort of a general leasing question-but I'll try here.

When I see these figures given for residuals-say 51% for 36/10-is that residual just for the base price of the car-with the residual for the options figured differently-or does it apply no matter what options/trim level you are looking to lease. ?

For example, assuming the miles and term are equal-would the residual be the same for a base model Q50 as for say a Q50 Premium with Deluxe Touring Package. Or would the residual only apply to the base price with the options having a lower residual.

It seems I read that somewhere before, but I could be mistaken-though it kind of makes sense to me, as most options on a car seem to depreciate faster than the car itself.

A fair question.

The residual value percentage applies to the bottom line number of the window sticker - base MSRP, options, and destination charge.

For the 2015 Q50, there are different residual numbers for different trims - one for base, and another for the Premium and Sport trims.

And, you're right - in many cases, higher level trims have lower residuals.

soxfan82

soxfan82 said:

 I'm so glad this form exists!  Can I run this deal by you guys to see what you think? I'm in Maine.

'15 Q50 Premium, loaded
Msrp: $52,680
Sale price: $45,250
Doc fee: $399
Taxes: $1,253.07
Aquisition: $925

Capitalized cost: $47,879.57
39 months, 12K miles/yr
Residual: 50%
Money factor: .00043
$0 down
$584.20/mo

Thanks!

Is .00003 the current money factor for 2015s in addition to 2016s? Or do they lower it for the 15s?
Thanks!

Michaell

soxfan82 said:

soxfan82 said:

 I'm so glad this form exists!  Can I run this deal by you guys to see what you think? I'm in Maine.

'15 Q50 Premium, loaded
Msrp: $52,680
Sale price: $45,250
Doc fee: $399
Taxes: $1,253.07
Aquisition: $925

Capitalized cost: $47,879.57
39 months, 12K miles/yr
Residual: 50%
Money factor: .00043
$0 down
$584.20/mo

Thanks!

Is .00003 the current money factor for 2015s in addition to 2016s? Or do they lower it for the 15s?
Thanks!

.00003 is the MF for both 2015 AWD and 2016 AWD 2.0T Q50's

soxfan82

Please ignore my last one - this is the one I think I will go with.
Sorry, last one (promise)!
I found one with a few less options (but enough for me), but a much better payment and a color I prefer.
Here are the numbers. Is the money factor and everything correct in this equation for Maine?

New '15 Q50 Premium
39 months, 12,000/yr
$0 down
MSRP: $45,380
Sales Price: $36,750
State taxes: $888.58
Gov't fees: $52.50
Doc fee: $399
Acquisition fee: $700

Net Capitalized Cost: $38,517.63
Money factor: .00003%
Residual: 50%
Payment: $407.66/mo for 39 months.

Thank you again. Last one, I promise.

Michaell

soxfan82 said:

Please ignore my last one - this is the one I think I will go with.
Sorry, last one (promise)!
I found one with a few less options (but enough for me), but a much better payment and a color I prefer.
Here are the numbers. Is the money factor and everything correct in this equation for Maine?

New '15 Q50 Premium
39 months, 12,000/yr
$0 down
MSRP: $45,380
Sales Price: $36,750
State taxes: $888.58
Gov't fees: $52.50
Doc fee: $399
Acquisition fee: $700

Net Capitalized Cost: $38,517.63
Money factor: .00003%
Residual: 50%
Payment: $407.66/mo for 39 months.

Thank you again. Last one, I promise.

Uh huh. Sure. Until the next one.

I'm within pennies of that quote (rounding error). Looks good.

soxfan82

Thank you very much! I think this what I'll go with.

g6leaser

Soxfan - I would see if they would knock another 1k or even 1.5k off the sale price - they are wanting to move the 15s in my opinion. I just got a 15 Hybrid AWD Premium MSRP 50010 for 428/month with only $250 down - dealer incentivized another 900 in the deal for me. I know Hybrid is a different car than the Q50 itself but since it's a 15 - might as well ask -- your thoughts everyone - is it asking too much?

soxfan82

 They told me that this was pretty much the end of the road.  I feel like I'm getting a pretty good deal though.  Especially because they are going to go to another dealer about 4 hours away and get me exactly the colors and options that I want. I feel pretty good about it! 

g6leaser

Sox - that's all that matters, you need to be happy with the deal and exhausted all other options/dealers/vehicles and if you are ok with the payment and happy with the ride - go for it!!! No regrets!!!

soxfan82

Wanted to take a moment to thank Michaell and the forum for helping me negotiate what I considered a great lease on the '15 Q50. Unfortunately, the ones they were going to get me on dealer trade have now sold, so it's back to the drawing board!!

Considering an AWD Chrysler 300 Limited or Anniversary edition. Would love to know their MF and RV at 36 mo. I know this is the Infiniti forum so I posted it on the '2016 Chrysler 300 forum too.

Michaell

soxfan82 said:

Wanted to take a moment to thank Michaell and the forum for helping me negotiate what I considered a great lease on the '15 Q50. Unfortunately, the ones they were going to get me on dealer trade have now sold, so it's back to the drawing board!!

Considering an AWD Chrysler 300 Limited or Anniversary edition. Would love to know their MF and RV at 36 mo. I know this is the Infiniti forum so I posted it on the '2016 Chrysler 300 forum too.

That's a bummer that your car got sold out from under you. But, with inventory shrinking, everybody's looking for that great deal.

straightdope

My 2015 Q50 Premium Lease Deal Closed Yesterday, So.California:

2015 Q50 Premium with Navigation
MSRP:$43,255
SALE PRICE: $33,055
CAP COST: $34,178 (IncludesAcq +DMV fees)
RES.VAL: $22,060 (51%)
TERM: 39 months, @10k, miles year
MF: .00030 (.72%)

$0 DUE AT SIGNING (SIGN & DRIVE)
PAYMENT: $327 plus sales tax for 38 more months

Total cost=$12,426 for 39 months, so true monthly is actually only $319+tax/mo

These '15s are flying out of dealerships and manufacturer incentives expire June1 so dealers are pushing these hard, many are sold out of them. I strongly advise anyone set on this car to close the deal this week. I can tell you where to go; I looked everywhere from Mexican Border to Fresno, btw. If you have good credit, and don't care about the color, you can get one for under $300/ month with nothing due. And always, always compare lease offers by requesting the dealers $0 due at signing offer-not $0 Down, but $0 out of pocket total due from buyer at close.. if they give you a figure such as "$0 down, $400/month plus 1999 drive off", tell them to convert it to a $0 total due, $0 drive offs...You can always go back and put some money down after you've found the best price if you're into lower monthlies. (don't recommend that, though) .
Good luck.

kyfdx

@straightdope Nice job!

The only thing I would add... is to pay your DMV fees upfront, as they are not taxable. Once you roll them in, they get taxed in the payment.

nigai27

straightdope said:

My 2015 Q50 Premium Lease Deal Closed Yesterday, So.California:

2015 Q50 Premium with Navigation
MSRP:$43,255
SALE PRICE: $33,055
CAP COST: $34,178 (IncludesAcq +DMV fees)
RES.VAL: $22,060 (51%)
TERM: 39 months, @10k, miles year
MF: .00030 (.72%)

$0 DUE AT SIGNING (SIGN & DRIVE)
PAYMENT: $327 plus sales tax for 38 more months

Total cost=$12,426 for 39 months, so true monthly is actually only $319+tax/mo

These '15s are flying out of dealerships and manufacturer incentives expire June1 so dealers are pushing these hard, many are sold out of them. I strongly advise anyone set on this car to close the deal this week. I can tell you where to go; I looked everywhere from Mexican Border to Fresno, btw. If you have good credit, and don't care about the color, you can get one for under $300/ month with nothing due. And always, always compare lease offers by requesting the dealers $0 due at signing offer-not $0 Down, but $0 out of pocket total due from buyer at close.. if they give you a figure such as "$0 down, $400/month plus 1999 drive off", tell them to convert it to a $0 total due, $0 drive offs...You can always go back and put some money down after you've found the best price if you're into lower monthlies. (don't recommend that, though) .
Good luck.

Hi,

can you let me know which So Cal dealership this is? it would make it easier for me to negotiate with them. Thx !!

g6leaser

Nigai - what are the actual incentives Infiniti is offering?

straightdope

G6Leaser--the incentives aren't direct to buyer, like a $1000 Conquest Rebate, they're not really published, but if you do the math you can see that Infiniti HQ is giving the dealers about $4500 credit on the back end, (so the sale price is $10k less than MSRP) and the interest rate on the Q50 '15lease is less than 1% (.00033MF)!

NIgai27--if you private message me I can send you the link. They had only a Bronze Premium base and Red Premium w/Nav left. I don't think we can name actual dealers in Edmunds..???

Michaell

straightdope said:

G6Leaser--the incentives aren't direct to buyer, like a $1000 Conquest Rebate, they're not really published, but if you do the math you can see that Infiniti HQ is giving the dealers about $4500 credit on the back end, (so the sale price is $10k less than MSRP) and the interest rate on the Q50 '15lease is less than 1% (.00033MF)!

NIgai27--if you private message me I can send you the link. They had only a Bronze Premium base and Red Premium w/Nav left. I don't think we can name actual dealers in Edmunds..???

You are welcome to cite both dealer and salesman names.

Just no contact information (email or phone #'s)

jkipster

Michaell said:

G6Leaser--the incentives aren't direct to buyer, like a $1000 Conquest Rebate, they're not really published, but if you do the math you can see that Infiniti HQ is giving the dealers about $4500 credit on the back end, (so the sale price is $10k less than MSRP) and the interest rate on the Q50 '15lease is less than 1% (.00033MF)! NIgai27--if you private message me I can send you the link. They had only a Bronze Premium base and Red Premium w/Nav left. I don't think we can name actual dealers in Edmunds..???

You are welcome to cite both dealer and salesman names. Just no contact information (email or phone #'s)

Tustin is the highest volume Infiniti dealer in the US, so you're likely to get the best prices there. I just scored a 14% discount on my 2016 QX60 in April from them, and their GM has been with the dealer for my last 4 Infiniti leases. Just do your homework first. 

nigai27

straightdope said:

G6Leaser--the incentives aren't direct to buyer, like a $1000 Conquest Rebate, they're not really published, but if you do the math you can see that Infiniti HQ is giving the dealers about $4500 credit on the back end, (so the sale price is $10k less than MSRP) and the interest rate on the Q50 '15lease is less than 1% (.00033MF)!

NIgai27--if you private message me I can send you the link. They had only a Bronze Premium base and Red Premium w/Nav left. I don't think we can name actual dealers in Edmunds..???

i was able to get the same deal on a MSRP 43755 vehicle yesterday in Orange County, CA. Most of the dealers nearby have very limited color options. i was lucky to find my color choice ( Black with beige interior)

nigai27

g6leaser said:

Nigai - what are the actual incentives Infiniti is offering?

I don't have the exact numbers from Infiniti. I got $10,500 off sticker with .0003 MF and 51% Residual.

black91stealth

Can you let me know what you think about this offer:

2015 Q50 AWD w/Navigation
MSRP- 45,400
SELLING PRICE 36,900
Acq Fee. $700
License Fee. $350
Documentation Fee. $150
Net Cap Cost: $37,240.16
Residual: $22,700
Money factor 0.000030

39 Months & 12.000 Miles - I am in Washington State, Sales tax rate is 9.8%

$412.46/Mo

I was thinking the payment would be around $375 per month looking at the other deals people are getting.....

Thanks!

Michaell

black91stealth said:

Can you let me know what you think about this offer:

2015 Q50 AWD w/Navigation
MSRP- 45,400
SELLING PRICE 36,900
Acq Fee. $700
License Fee. $350
Documentation Fee. $150
Net Cap Cost: $37,240.16
Residual: $22,700
Money factor 0.000030

39 Months & 12.000 Miles - I am in Washington State, Sales tax rate is 9.8%

$412.46/Mo

I was thinking the payment would be around $375 per month looking at the other deals people are getting.....

Thanks!

With those numbers, I get $375/mo before tax, $411/mo after.

nigai27

black91stealth said:

Can you let me know what you think about this offer:

2015 Q50 AWD w/Navigation
MSRP- 45,400
SELLING PRICE 36,900
Acq Fee. $700
License Fee. $350
Documentation Fee. $150
Net Cap Cost: $37,240.16
Residual: $22,700
Money factor 0.000030

39 Months & 12.000 Miles - I am in Washington State, Sales tax rate is 9.8%

$412.46/Mo

I was thinking the payment would be around $375 per month looking at the other deals people are getting.....

Thanks!

Hi,

Try for 10500 to 11,000 off sticker.

zakmccann

Hi Folks,
Another "is this a good leasing deal" question....

Got a mailer from a local Infiniti dealer in the Los Angeles area.

2015 Q50 4dr Sedan RWD Premium (Bose audio but no nav system)
39 mo/ 10K miles
$1,799 due at signing.
MSRP 43,600
Selling price 29,850
Monthly lease $199+tax
MF: don't know
Acq fee: around $700, IIRC.

Also, I've been told that the 2015 is faster than the 2016, is this true?

Greatly appreciate any help/insights.

zakmccann

Hello again,
Quick update to my post, above. I have been told by one person that the car does come with a nav system and another that it does not. Guess I'll see when I visit the dealer.

I was also just told that the MF is 0.003.

black91stealth

Hi,

nigai27nigai27 Posts: 4
3:50PM

Hi,

Try for 10500 to 11,000 off sticker.
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The dealer said $37,750 or $8,500 off MSRP is the best he can do because they are losing $1,000 on the deal.,..

I offered to sign today if they will do $36.500, I think they are firm at $37.750 even though they have quite a few 2015's in stock.

straightdope

zakmccann said:

Hi Folks,
Another "is this a good leasing deal" question....

Got a mailer from a local Infiniti dealer in the Los Angeles area.

2015 Q50 4dr Sedan RWD Premium (Bose audio but no nav system)
39 mo/ 10K miles
$1,799 due at signing.
MSRP 43,600
Selling price 29,850
Monthly lease $199+tax
MF: don't know
Acq fee: around $700, IIRC.

Also, I've been told that the 2015 is faster than the 2016, is this true?

Greatly appreciate any help/insights.

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Hey ZakMccann,
Yes, that is a great deal...if your numbers, which I've summarized below are correct.
$1799 + $7562 (38x$199) =$9,361 TOTAL PAID for 39 months or $240/month .
If its MSRP is 43k, then it's surely got Nav, I've yet to see a '15 over $43k that doesn't have navigation. Base premium is 40,905, +Nav is $1400-so it's the only way to get to 43.6k, [tech package $3200, the other options are leather $1,000, then minors like split seats, kick plates, splash guards {450, 400, 250}.]
I find the $29,850 sale price surprising. It's too low to be true. Perhaps this is a prior loaner.
Confirm the numbers with the dealer and if it's correct, (have them convert it to a $0 total due at signing lease (about $246+tax) then run, don't walk down there to lease it. I owuld be surprised if it's still on the lot come Monday.
Which dealer is this is SoCal?

straightdope

black91stealth said:

Hi,

nigai27nigai27 Posts: 4
3:50PM

Hi,

Try for 10500 to 11,000 off sticker.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The dealer said $37,750 or $8,500 off MSRP is the best he can do because they are losing $1,000 on the deal.,..

I offered to sign today if they will do $36.500, I think they are firm at $37.750 even though they have quite a few 2015's in stock.

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Hey BlackStealth 9,

Don't let them insult your intelligence with that old BS line about "losing money on the car". When they say that tell them you don't believe it and will only believe it if they'll show you their books, including their financial statements and tax returns for the last three years, so your accountant friend can audit and confirm that claim. What they really mean is that they are selling it below invoice which, due to hidden rebates and other manufacturer to dealer incentives on the back-end, is an almost meaningless figure these days. I"ve heard that dealers pay less than 60% of the invoice for each unit. Sure they have additional costs such as employees, rent, and interest, but they are not, not losing money on the car...and don't forget they also have two other businesses-service and used cars.

Don't pay over $0 due at close with $400/mo for that car-offer them $0 total due at signing for $350 month. This is assuming you have good credit score.

zakmccann

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Hey ZakMccann,
Yes, that is a great deal...if your numbers, which I've summarized below are correct.
$1799 + $7562 (38x$199) =$9,361 TOTAL PAID for 39 months or $240/month .
If its MSRP is 43k, then it's surely got Nav, I've yet to see a '15 over $43k that doesn't have navigation. Base premium is 40,905, +Nav is $1400-so it's the only way to get to 43.6k, [tech package $3200, the other options are leather $1,000, then minors like split seats, kick plates, splash guards {450, 400, 250}.]
I find the $29,850 sale price surprising. It's too low to be true. Perhaps this is a prior loaner.
Confirm the numbers with the dealer and if it's correct, (have them convert it to a $0 total due at signing lease (about $246+tax) then run, don't walk down there to lease it. I owuld be surprised if it's still on the lot come Monday.
Which dealer is this is SoCal?


Hi straightdope,

First off, thanks for the response, it's greatly appreciated.

Now the fun part...
I went to the dealer on Saturday and found out that they had NO 2015 Q50 RWD Premiums on the lot, so that lease deal was a no go from the start! I don't believe this was a bait and switch, just maybe that they sold the last one or two they had on hand that would qualify for that deal, even though I spoke to sales on Friday. Now they say that they will be getting some additional 2015's but only those with the Deluxe Touring and Nav packages. The lease numbers for those models weren't what I was looking for so I don't think I'd go that route.

They offered to sell me the car (Touring+Nav version) outright at something like $43+K or with a "lease-and-pay-it-off-in-3-months" kind of deal for $38K (the sales mgr told me that there was no pre-payment penalty or any other charges to buy out the lease in 3 months). I hadn't researched these options so I re-checked TrueCar and Edmunds and these prices seem a bit higher than what Truecar would call an exceptional price of about $37.5K and what Edmunds has as an average price at around $36.8K (I hope I'm reading those sites correctly). We couldn't agree on a price but since the cars aren't in yet I have a day, maybe two, to see if something could be worked out. I understand that the 2015s are being cleared out so there isn't a lot of selection but I also don't really want all those options. Is $38K a good price or should I stick to a lower offer?

BTW, the MF on the cars they didn't have ( ;-) ) was .0003 and on the "enhanced" versions was .0006. Is it normal to adjust the MF based on optional packages? Just curious.

And the kicker is that now that this great lease offer isn't available I'm looking at the Q50 hybrid as it's supposedly "sportier" than the regular one - or so I was told. To be honest, I was a bit underwhelmed by the performance of the Q50 compared to the G37 that I have. I understand that these are intended for different market sectors but, still, I like the way the G37 handles.

Thanks again for your previous help. Any further assistance or suggestions would also be greatly appreciated.

Michaell

The MF for all AWD Q50's is .00003 - no bump based on trim. The bump is the dealer attempt to add more profit to the deal. RWD MF is .00030, and the Hybrid MF is either .00043 (RWD) or .00025 (AWD).