Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

au1994

roadburner said:

I'm relatively certain that no one here will think it's a good idea, but I've run across a few low(under 30k miles) mileage 2005 TJ Rubicons. Not cheap, but a definite upgrade over my 1999. I really do like TJs; they make no pretense of being car-like.

Have you met us? Its a punch, of course its a good idea.

It doesn’t grant you membership into the cool kids club though.

roadburner

@boomchek said:
Well I heard of dealer markups on some models during inventory shortage but this has to take the cake. Not sure who in their right mind will pay $40k over sticker on a RAV4. Even though we are short on inventory, we've been selling everything at MSRP, with no markups, and without any mandatory accessories or protection packages.

I make a point of remembering the dealers that pull stunts like that; they have the right to charge whatever the market will bear but I likewise have the right to never patronize that dealership.
Last year I was considering a Veloster N and one dealer emailed that they just received one and quoted a price with a substantial ADM. I asked about the price bump and I got the usual “market adjustment” B.S. A few weeks later they email me that they could be more flexible about the price. I was tempted to tell them what they could do with their flexibility-in clinical detail-but instead I simply ignored them.

stickguy

RDX all serviced up. Oil, filter, fluids topped and multi point inspection report. Added tire rotation and new front wiper inserts. Everything checked out perfect according to them, though with 11k miles, it should! Total, with tax and shop fees, was $81. A bargain IMO. 2 hours of my time to drive round trip, read 2 magazines, and sit in a car in the showroom. More productive than my normal morning!

stickguy

Interesting supply chain issue. The indicator for rear differential fluid was also listed in the maintenance minder. Comes on when you cross 10k (it’s due at 15 so car flags it for the next service after 10). I was going to wait and do it stand alone if I hit 15 before next service was due, but was surprised the service writer did not mention doing it, so I asked. According to him, they couldn’t do it anyway, because the fluid is on national back order and they ran out a few days ago. No idea when it arrives again. Crazy times out there.

Michaell

stickguy said:

RDX all serviced up. Oil, filter, fluids topped and multi point inspection report. Added tire rotation and new front wiper inserts. Everything checked out perfect according to them, though with 11k miles, it should! Total, with tax and shop fees, was $81. A bargain IMO. 2 hours of my time to drive round trip, read 2 magazines, and sit in a car in the showroom. More productive than my normal morning!

I’ve got the Outback teed up for a major service tomorrow. Using a local chain with very good reviews rather than the dealer. And, about 5 minutes from the house, with shuttle service available (they use Dodge Durangos for their shuttle vehicles).

Just crossed 46,000 miles in almost 7 years. No reason to not keep it for another 5+ years, at this rate, other than a desire to get something different for the sake of it.

stickguy

Sat in a TLX advanced in the showroom. It was nice. Interior very much like the RDX. was even the same color, and of course controls very familiar. But maybe because I’ve been only driving the RDX for over a year, or just a sign of getting old, but it really felt low. Had to plop way down to get into it. Maybe a low slung sporty car for a DD isn’t a great idea!

Didn’t run into any sales manager type to ask about the Integra. I’m sure they have no clue either when it will actually arrive. Something to check on in the spring.

stickguy

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

RDX all serviced up. Oil, filter, fluids topped and multi point inspection report. Added tire rotation and new front wiper inserts. Everything checked out perfect according to them, though with 11k miles, it should! Total, with tax and shop fees, was $81. A bargain IMO. 2 hours of my time to drive round trip, read 2 magazines, and sit in a car in the showroom. More productive than my normal morning!

I’ve got the Outback teed up for a major service tomorrow. Using a local chain with very good reviews rather than the dealer. And, about 5 minutes from the house, with shuttle service available (they use Dodge Durangos for their shuttle vehicles).

Just crossed 46,000 miles in almost 7 years. No reason to not keep it for another 5+ years, at this rate, other than a desire to get something different for the sake of it.

We will hit 12k at about the 22 month mark. Unless usage changes drastically I don’t see it breaking 100k before we break 70! Especially when I finally add a 2nd car.

My rule is only dealer service (other than stuff like tires, brakes and air filter changes) while it’s under warranty. If something bad happens, I want to make sure they have nobody to blame. And better odds of a good will repair slightly past warranty if they did everything. Plus it’s actually easier, and cheaper, to use dealer for this routine stuff.

tjc78

You guys just reminded me the XC90 is due for service now. One year 7500 ish miles.

I’ll set it up for next week. I’ll have to wait for it as I’m sure as loaners must be scarce.

Michaell

Outback has gone to the dealer exclusively, until now. Extended warranty expired in February of 2021, so no reason to use them, going forward.

On the MINI, my step-daughter prefers to use the dealer for all service and maintenance, and since it's her dime, I accomodate her. Plus, with a little notice, I can get a loaner car there.

rayainsw

Aside from a recent Recall, my M340i has been perfect.
The amber CEL lit Sunday - and has remained on thru
several cycles. Fuel filer on tight.
[ sigh ]
First appt. at my dlr. is Wed. AM.
- Ray
Over 20,000 miles without issues = pretty darned good!

sda

The Q5 is due for the annual service as well by January. Driven about 7k so far. It has been trouble free. In the past year, I am a bit concerned that in the latest CR summary the frequency of repair record for major and minor engine mechanical potential for issues fell from Good to Much Worse than Average. That does not mean we'll have a problem but it does not give me the warm and fuzzies. Glad we bought a comprehensive extended warranty. I wonder that even after the multiple engine revisions VW/Audi has done to the 2.0T, oil burning and timing chain issues are still haunting this engine.

stickguy

tjc78 said:

You guys just reminded me the XC90 is due for service now. One year 7500 ish miles.

I’ll set it up for next week. I’ll have to wait for it as I’m sure as loaners must be scarce.

Pack a lunch. I used to take my S40 to CH for service and wait, and still was not very speedy.

tjc78

@stickguy said:
Pack a lunch. I used to take my S40 to CH for service and wait, and still was not very speedy.

Yeah we will see. They have loaners but now won’t give them to those who didn’t purchase there. I’ll just log into work or get the shuttle.

I like having the Volvos but service all the way in CH from my area is a pain. I need to find a brand that is represented at Turnersville.

stickguy

Got most everything down there other than Volvo and Mercedes. So plenty of choices!

andres3

benjaminh said:

andres3 said:

The new Civic is stuck at 200 HP from decades ago, and the new GTI has moved up to 240+. That's a 20% difference.

As you say, the GTI is more powerful and much faster than the Civic Si.

But the base GTI's msrp is also $2200 higher than the Si's (before destination 27,300 vs 29,545).

The base GTI like the Si lacks a power driver's seat.

But the Civic Si has the following things standard that the base GTI lacks—"smart entry," moonroof, Bose premium stereo with xm, and dual zone climate control.

To get similar features on the GTI you need to get the SE, and by then the price difference is 7k.

The GTI has long been a dream car for me. I test drove a new one way back in 1990 and loved it. The power, handling, and functionality were awesome for that car. But the used Jetta that I ended up owning, although it also had great handling, turned out to be a nightmare for reliability and repair. Maybe things are better now for VW/Audi, but your experience and others with newer VWs and Audis sometimes raises some doubts.

The GTI is more of a real sports car than the Si, and the base model is still a great deal from my pov, but VW has also removed most physical buttons from the controls of the new GTI. As Motor Trend says, the design choice VW made in eliminating almost all the physical buttons from the new GTI, including even the volume knob, wasn't their favorite....

"Now we get to our singular glaring issue with the all-new VW GTI. It seems VW is keen on superimposing the all-electric ID4's interior tech onto its other new products, meaning the GTI's interior is almost entirely devoid of physical buttons. Instead, touch-capacitive panels adorn the dash and steering wheel, operating just about every function available. The headlights, climate control, drive modes, volume, tuning, cruise control, and cluster menu selection are all operated via these single-piece, backlit gloss plastic panels."

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-volkswagen-gti-first-test-first-drive-review/

I feel like Tesla can kind of make this work with the Model 3 because its electronic control screen is huge, but most others seemingly haven't figured out how to make this work very well.

I hate hate hate that VW cheapened the interiors of the Golf's/GTI's/R's to the point that almost every review written so far that I've seen mentions it as compared to the MK 7's MQB chassis generation (prior). That seems like a bad move just to be "close" on price with some competitors.

As such, I'd actually prefer an '18 or '19 (CPO?) VW. Those are the 2 years VW had very long standard new car warranty that is fully transferrable unlike the Korean makes. Add 1 year to that already long warranty for CPO. That might be the "peak" of VW.

Problem is the market is so crazy you can probably negotiate a better deal on a brand new car. Sticker doesn't look so bad as compared to used car prices.

Found a white GTI that fit the bill in Sacramento for sale by SHIFT on Saturday; gone by Sunday. If you're a serious buyer, don't dilly dally in this market.

andres3

benjaminh said:

andres3 said:

The new Civic is stuck at 200 HP from decades ago, and the new GTI has moved up to 240+. That's a 20% difference.

As you say, the GTI is more powerful and much faster than the Civic Si.

But the base GTI's msrp is also $2200 higher than the Si's (before destination 27,300 vs 29,545).

The base GTI like the Si lacks a power driver's seat.

But the Civic Si has the following things standard that the base GTI lacks—"smart entry," moonroof, Bose premium stereo with xm, and dual zone climate control.

To get similar features on the GTI you need to get the SE, and by then the price difference is 7k.

The GTI has long been a dream car for me. I test drove a new one way back in 1990 and loved it. The power, handling, and functionality were awesome for that car. But the used Jetta that I ended up owning, although it also had great handling, turned out to be a nightmare for reliability and repair. Maybe things are better now for VW/Audi, but your experience and others with newer VWs and Audis sometimes raises some doubts.

The GTI is more of a real sports car than the Si, and the base model is still a great deal from my pov, but VW has also removed most physical buttons from the controls of the new GTI. As Motor Trend says, the design choice VW made in eliminating almost all the physical buttons from the new GTI, including even the volume knob, wasn't their favorite....

"Now we get to our singular glaring issue with the all-new VW GTI. It seems VW is keen on superimposing the all-electric ID4's interior tech onto its other new products, meaning the GTI's interior is almost entirely devoid of physical buttons. Instead, touch-capacitive panels adorn the dash and steering wheel, operating just about every function available. The headlights, climate control, drive modes, volume, tuning, cruise control, and cluster menu selection are all operated via these single-piece, backlit gloss plastic panels."

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-volkswagen-gti-first-test-first-drive-review/

I feel like Tesla can kind of make this work with the Model 3 because its electronic control screen is huge, but most others seemingly haven't figured out how to make this work very well.

The new Civic is listed as high as almost 3,100 pounds. The manual might be lighter than the CVT, but the weight advantage doesn't seem to be quite as large as @stickguy makes it out to be vs. the GTI.

benjaminh

andres3 said:

....I hate hate hate that VW cheapened the interiors of the Golf's/GTI's/R's to the point that almost every review written so far that I've seen mentions it as compared to the MK 7's MQB chassis generation (prior). That seems like a bad move just to be "close" on price with some competitors.

As such, I'd actually prefer an '18 or '19 (CPO?) VW. Those are the 2 years VW had very long standard new car warranty that is fully transferrable unlike the Korean makes. Add 1 year to that already long warranty for CPO. That might be the "peak" of VW....

This long review of the new GTI includes a back-to-back track comparison at the end with the previous generation. The Redline guy says that the new generation is better when pushed hard. There's more power in the new GTI, and according to him better handling with the new GTI too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGLhmhM-Uc

sda

The VW 6yr/72k warranty + 1yr/12k additional CPO warranty was a big selling point when I bought the Passat. The total warranty is good to 8/25 and 84k. The Passat has just under 24k on it now. I think VW has made a huge mistake in doing away with hard buttons for simple functions like volume, hvac adjustments. I also don't understand the huge price difference between the GTI (base) at around $30K and the top trim (Autobahn) that is almost $40k. That seems to be a huge spread for what you get and simply too expensive.

stickguy

No buttons or knobs to me is bad idea. The new Maverick is practically retro in comparison. It has all the modern features but everything is a simple to use button, knob or switch. Very classily truck like actually. Easy to use wearing gloves! Touch screen is really for app type of stuff.

xwesx

benjaminh said:

".....Tesla’s Board Chair Robyn Denholm said, “By 2030, we are aiming to sell 20 million electric vehicles per year.”

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/08/teslas-goal-20-million-annual-car-sales-by-2030/

In 2021 Tesla is going to make about 900,000 vehicles worldwide, and so that would obviously be a mind-boggling increase.

If that is the case, my biggest concern is with how bland the roadways would look. I mean, it's fun to see a Tesla every once in a while, but if I was looking at half the cars on the road, and they were the limited offerings of Tesla, that would get real old, real quickly!

andres3

benjaminh said:

andres3 said:

....I hate hate hate that VW cheapened the interiors of the Golf's/GTI's/R's to the point that almost every review written so far that I've seen mentions it as compared to the MK 7's MQB chassis generation (prior). That seems like a bad move just to be "close" on price with some competitors.

As such, I'd actually prefer an '18 or '19 (CPO?) VW. Those are the 2 years VW had very long standard new car warranty that is fully transferrable unlike the Korean makes. Add 1 year to that already long warranty for CPO. That might be the "peak" of VW....

This long review of the new GTI includes a back-to-back track comparison at the end with the previous generation. The Redline guy says that the new generation is better when pushed hard. There's more power in the new GTI, and according to him better handling with the new GTI too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGLhmhM-Uc

Fun fact, for 2019 GTI upgraded 8 giant stallions to 228 HP. That's the alternative; I bet in the video they compared to the '18 or older 220 HP version??? Those 8 horses are NEEDED! The 220 HP version would match my '15 A4... so yeah, needs the extra eight!

benjaminh

In my opinion Tesla probably won't get to 20 million in 2030, but ten million seems very likely—and they'll probably continue to grow at a rapid pace after that. And if Tesla has ten million new customers each year, that of course also means the others are going to lose ten million customers each year. Some of Tesla's competitors are going to get hurt. So far Tesla sales have been relatively small, but starting in 2022 Tesla's share is going to start to get big quite fast.

There's been something of reckoning at Ford and VW recently about how far they are behind Tesla. Ford's CEO Jim Farley reportedly said at a recent meeting....

"Tesla maximizes use of electrons in the vehicle. No one does it better than they do. Their customers pay less for a better battery. Their focus … after they launch the vehicle, their obsession after the launch of the vehicle, to make the customer experience better, to re-engineer the electronic components, to simplify, to address quality based on data coming off the vehicles, to reduce the bill of material based on how people actually use the vehicle, to drive vertical integration, so they do more and they solve the hardest problems at Tesla. And they manage every electron so they can be as efficient as possible with the expense of battery....the product itself is highly differentiated from the rest of the ICE field and complexity is tiny, compared to OEMs. That allows them to have enormous reuse. Reuse that we’ve never seen in our ICE business. Tesla can scale quickly because of that complexity reduction. They can drive cost down, which they have.."

https://electrek.co/2021/11/08/ford-ceo-praises-tesla-internal-meeting-no-one-does-ev-better/

VW's CEO Herbert Diess said....

"Tesla has long been appreciated for the software, range, and acceleration of its cars but has had problems with quality. The production was ridiculed. But our main competitor is learning fast. The quality is getting better, the customer feedback more positive. And in Brandenburg, Tesla wants to build half a million cars with 7,000 people – direct and indirect. And with an impressive productivity: expected 90 units per hour in one line, 10 hours per car. In Zwickau, we are at over 30 hours, we want to achieve 20 hours next year....The Tesla Model 3 was the best-selling car in Europe in September, ahead of the Golf. And this despite the fact that Tesla does not even build in Europe yet. Tesla only imports so far."

https://electrek.co/2021/11/05/vw-ceo-explains-why-be-more-like-tesla-giga-berlin-manufacturing/

benjaminh

But there's hope for Ford and the others. Car and Driver likes the Ford Mach-E is better the Tesla Model Y. Their Model Y had some quality glitches. The C&D conclusion....

"The Mach-E's seats are more comfortable than the Tesla's harder chairs. You sit in the Ford's seats, while you sit atop the Tesla's. Neither enjoys a large-enough back seat to support adults for hours on end, but the Ford squeezes out a narrow of victory in cargo room. The Mach-E holds one more carry-on-size suitcase with the seats folded (20 to 19), while both carry up to seven with the second row upright.

Ford prices the big-battery Mach-E E4X at $56,400, a few grand less than a 2021 Y Performance without the Full Self-Driving option. Factor in the $7500 tax credit for which the Ford is eligible and the Tesla is not, and the price gap grows. There's a lot of value in the Mach-E and Y, and we're sure this is just the beginning of what's sure to become an old rivalry. On price, refinement, and assembly quality, Ford wins the first round."

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a36847087/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-vs-2020-tesla-model-y-compared/

benjaminh

11-minute video on 2021 Model 3 quality issues....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFfgpHkNCOM

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

RDX all serviced up. Oil, filter, fluids topped and multi point inspection report. Added tire rotation and new front wiper inserts. Everything checked out perfect according to them, though with 11k miles, it should! Total, with tax and shop fees, was $81. A bargain IMO. 2 hours of my time to drive round trip, read 2 magazines, and sit in a car in the showroom. More productive than my normal morning!

I’ve got the Outback teed up for a major service tomorrow. Using a local chain with very good reviews rather than the dealer. And, about 5 minutes from the house, with shuttle service available (they use Dodge Durangos for their shuttle vehicles).

Just crossed 46,000 miles in almost 7 years. No reason to not keep it for another 5+ years, at this rate, other than a desire to get something different for the sake of it.

If you’re going to keep cars for 12 years you’re gonna have to turn your card in for this site. Sorry but that’s the way it is.

jmonroe

jmonroe1

rayainsw said:

Aside from a recent Recall, my M340i has been perfect.
The amber CEL lit Sunday - and has remained on thru
several cycles. Fuel filer on tight.
[ sigh ]
First appt. at my dlr. is Wed. AM.
- Ray
Over 20,000 miles without issues = pretty darned good!

Take it to one of the chain auto parts. They’ll put a scanner on it for free. That way at least you’ll have a good idea what the problem is. It could be so minor that you could buy the part there, take it home and wrench it in yourself.

jmonroe

Michaell

jmonroe1 said:

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

RDX all serviced up. Oil, filter, fluids topped and multi point inspection report. Added tire rotation and new front wiper inserts. Everything checked out perfect according to them, though with 11k miles, it should! Total, with tax and shop fees, was $81. A bargain IMO. 2 hours of my time to drive round trip, read 2 magazines, and sit in a car in the showroom. More productive than my normal morning!

I’ve got the Outback teed up for a major service tomorrow. Using a local chain with very good reviews rather than the dealer. And, about 5 minutes from the house, with shuttle service available (they use Dodge Durangos for their shuttle vehicles).

Just crossed 46,000 miles in almost 7 years. No reason to not keep it for another 5+ years, at this rate, other than a desire to get something different for the sake of it.

If you’re going to keep cars for 12 years you’re gonna have to turn your card in for this site. Sorry but that’s the way it is.

jmonroe

There are regular posters on this thread who have had their cars for much longer periods than that.

And, just because we can keep the Subaru for another 5 years, doesn't necessarily mean we will.

stickguy

If I finally get a BMW I would probably get a Carly to play with.

28firefighter

stickguy said:

If I finally get a BMW I would probably get a Carly to play with.

I'm not sure your wife would appreciate that (unless her name is Carly?).

au1994

stickguy said:

If I finally get a BMW I would probably get a Carly to play with.

Ummm…what kind of site is this turning into? I do access on the work computer sometimes so let me know!

roadburner

@jmonroe1 said:
Take it to one of the chain auto parts. They’ll put a scanner on it for free. That way at least you’ll have a good idea what the problem is. It could be so minor that you could buy the part there, take it home and wrench it in yourself.

jmonroe

The chain stores scanners will only read the generic codes. Most every brand now has proprietary codes that the chain store scanners ignore.

tifighter

xwesx said:

If that is the case, my biggest concern is with how bland the roadways would look. I mean, it's fun to see a Tesla every once in a while, but if I was looking at half the cars on the road, and they were the limited offerings of Tesla, that would get real old, real quickly!

Unless you're a shareholder.

xwesx

tifighter said:

Unless you're a shareholder.

Hah! True, for sure. That ship sailed a long time ago for me, though. I briefly thought about acquiring a few shares back in 2016/17 timeline when there were major dips as a result of things like Musk's "going private" foible and the launch of the 3. It's so over-valued now, though, that any investment is strictly speculative.

corvette

Apparently my neighbor wants her new ride to have leather seats. She found a used 2019 Camry nearby, with the expected insane price, but it looks like it's similarly priced to other comparable cars. I tried to nudge her to a nearby dealer which has a couple of new 2022 Corollas in stock that they suggest they might be willing to part with for the $24k MSRP, noting that leather can be added later (or, even more cheaply, seat covers).

jmonroe1

roadburner said:

@jmonroe1 said:

Take it to one of the chain auto parts. They’ll put a scanner on it for free. That way at least you’ll have a good idea what the problem is. It could be so minor that you could buy the part there, take it home and wrench it in yourself.

jmonroe

The chain stores scanners will only read the generic codes. Most every brand now has proprietary codes that the chain store scanners ignore.

I didn’t know that but it’s worth a try. Could also go to an indie shop that might charge less than a dealer. If the car is out of warranty that’s what I would do.

jmonroe

Michaell

On my FB feed tonight:

Jeep Cherokee 2014. Awd. Runs and drives great. Almost brand new BFG Ko2 tires.

The driver rear door has a bullet hole in it.
$13000

Welcome to Colorado!

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

On my FB feed tonight:

Jeep Cherokee 2014. Awd. Runs and drives great. Almost brand new BFG Ko2 tires.

The driver rear door has a bullet hole in it.
$13000

Welcome to Colorado!

Can those be rubbed out?

jmonroe

au1994

Michaell said:

On my FB feed tonight:

Jeep Cherokee 2014. Awd. Runs and drives great. Almost brand new BFG Ko2 tires.

The driver rear door has a bullet hole in it.
$13000

Welcome to Colorado!

1 bullet hole? That’s amateur work for Atlanta.

xwesx

corvette said:

Apparently my neighbor wants her new ride to have leather seats. She found a used 2019 Camry nearby, with the expected insane price, but it looks like it's similarly priced to other comparable cars. I tried to nudge her to a nearby dealer which has a couple of new 2022 Corollas in stock that they suggest they might be willing to part with for the $24k MSRP, noting that leather can be added later (or, even more cheaply, seat covers).

In this market, new seems to be the much better way to go. Is a new Camry just not in the cards?

jmonroe1

au1994 said:

Michaell said:

On my FB feed tonight:

Jeep Cherokee 2014. Awd. Runs and drives great. Almost brand new BFG Ko2 tires.

The driver rear door has a bullet hole in it.
$13000

Welcome to Colorado!

1 bullet hole? That’s amateur work for Atlanta.

Could be but you have to adjust for the high altitude in Colorado so when you think about it that was pretty good, really.

jmonroe

nyccarguy

@Michaell said:
There are regular posters on this thread who have had their cars for much longer periods than that.

And, just because we can keep the Subaru for another 5 years, doesn't necessarily mean we will.

@Michaell - you are a host. You need to set a good example for the other posters;)

xwesx

jmonroe1 said:

I didn’t know that but it’s worth a try. Could also go to an indie shop that might charge less than a dealer. If the car is out of warranty that’s what I would do.

jmonroe

Speaking of the code readers, I cannot find my Q7's "VAGCOM" reader anywhere. I had it for that entire trip and used it several times, yet it mysteriously went missing. I know I used it just prior to taking it to the dealer in Wilsonville, OR, for the second time, and I haven't seen it since. The best I can figure is that someone there had some light fingers and thought they needed it more than me.

I get the last laugh, though, because I contacted Ross-Tech, and they can brick the old one and send me a new one for a somewhat-discounted price. So, it's not all roses for me, but at least the old one is put out of commission (wherever it may be).

Michaell

nyccarguy said:

@Michaell said:

There are regular posters on this thread who have had their cars for much longer periods than that.

And, just because we can keep the Subaru for another 5 years, doesn't necessarily mean we will.

@Michaell - you are a host. You need to set a good example for the other posters;)

Ouch.

Guess I am a bit delinquent. Heck, @kyfdx has bought a car more recently than I have.

Wonder if I can sell that to the wife.

Michaell

au1994 said:

Michaell said:

On my FB feed tonight:

Jeep Cherokee 2014. Awd. Runs and drives great. Almost brand new BFG Ko2 tires.

The driver rear door has a bullet hole in it.
$13000

Welcome to Colorado!

1 bullet hole? That’s amateur work for Atlanta.

Maybe, but do they disclose them in that ad?

jmonroe1

Michaell said:

nyccarguy said:

@Michaell said:

There are regular posters on this thread who have had their cars for much longer periods than that.

And, just because we can keep the Subaru for another 5 years, doesn't necessarily mean we will.

@Michaell - you are a host. You need to set a good example for the other posters;)

Ouch.

Guess I am a bit delinquent. Heck, @kyfdx has bought a car more recently than I have.

Wonder if I can sell that to the wife.


Huh, you wanna sell the car @kyfdx got to your wife? Good luck with that.

jmonroe

stickguy

still a chance I get a punch this calendar year. We shall see. If not, definitely next year!

roadburner

Michaell said:

On my FB feed tonight:

Jeep Cherokee 2014. Awd. Runs and drives great. Almost brand new BFG Ko2 tires.

The driver rear door has a bullet hole in it.
$13000

Welcome to Colorado!

When I worked at BMW we had a 3 Series loaner come back with a bullet hole in a door.

xwesx

That's crazy. Did the person using it know?

stickguy

more so at the pre-covid price (probably a lot closer to $10k, maybe 12 tops?) something like this would make a lot of sense as a 2nd car that is mostly getting local use, and overall only a few thousand miles a year but still perfectly fine for taking on a few hour trip without thinking twice about it.

still pretty new but overly high miles for the age. Which will average out nicely in about 3 years. still new enough to have the normal "modern" features. Maybe it is still a good deal? I have no clue at this point.

https://www.royalmotorsnj.com/details-2017-hyundai-tucson-eco_awd-used-km8j3ca23hu419036.html

corvette

xwesx said:

In this market, new seems to be the much better way to go. Is a new Camry just not in the cards?

The few ones I can find are higher equipped models ($30k+) which are above her budget, plus I assume there is a markup. It's kind of like how I'd be interested in a base model RAV4 Prime, but there aren't any available, and the ones that are available are selling for more than I'm willing to pay.