Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

Michaell

berri said:

From everything I read, I think the People's Republic of Seattle government is going to eventually blow it and push companies away. I recently read that migration out of Silicon Valley is starting to occur. You can't just keep increasing regulations and taxes. That party eventually comes to an ugly end.

While I can't speak for every company, my employer has its HQ in Palo Alto. I got a chance to speak with our CFO today at the Denver office holiday party, and he indicated that any requisition to hire is automatically moved to Denver. Just too expensive to staff people in the Bay Area.

fintail

That's been going on for some time. Heck, the Californicators (mostly LA) started arriving here en masse about 30 years ago, and transplants from the bay area about 10 years ago. They end up bringing with them what they claimed they wished to escape.

Locally, I think Seattle has mostly pushed companies into adjacent suburbs, which are mostly still in the same crazy county, but aren't quite as insane as Seattle (more car-friendly, less hypocritical old activist mentality). Organizations need to be careful as to where they relocate, or they might have talent pool issues. Many people aren't willing to give up certain quality of life factors, nor relocate to areas where most don't share their ideals. I know one person who moved to Atlanta, and another to Austin. Atlanta guy lasted a few years and ran home. Austin guy is still there, but says it is an island in a sea of insanity, and the nice winter weather and (now marginally) cheaper housing is what keeps him going. IIRC, when Toyota moved operations to Texas, quite a few didn't come along for the ride.

berri said:

From everything I read, I think the People's Republic of Seattle government is going to eventually blow it and push companies away. I recently read that migration out of Silicon Valley is starting to occur. You can't just keep increasing regulations and taxes. That party eventually comes to an ugly end.

Michaell

fintail said:

IIRC, when Toyota moved operations to Texas, quite a few didn't come along for the ride.

I think the same was true when Nissan corporate moved to Nashville from CA.

stickguy

They likely wanted it that way. Easy to shed excess bodies. And cheaper to hire lower paid replacements that want to be there, instead of moving more expensive ones out.

texases

Last I heard it's about 50% moving so far for Toyota, which is higher than many of these relocations. New neighbor is one of them, loves the much shorter commute.

gsemike

Who knows? A lot of people aren't meant to live where they were born and raised. I had a company that moved from NYC to Charlotte. I have a number of friends that are down there for 15 years now. I see the allure. Some people went and returned within 3 years. For all we put up with in NY (Long Island), it would be weird to live anywhere else.
All my nuclear family stayed here which is a factor

berri

Life is unpredictable and in many ways a crapshoot.

fintail

I'd be open to most anywhere with enough pay

But I don't know if I would jump at the chance of going to a cheaper cost of living area if it meant a pay cut, as there are usually sacrifices to compensate for the lower cost.

uplanderguy

I would like to retire in my sleepy hometown. I still bump into more people I know there than where I've lived for 25 years here.

My wife will have no part of that, though! (She's not from there.)

Mr_Shiftright

fintail said:

I'd be open to most anywhere with enough pay

But I don't know if I would jump at the chance of going to a cheaper cost of living area if it meant a pay cut, as there are usually sacrifices to compensate for the lower cost.

I think I'd prefer to euthanize myself than be forced to move to some parts of the country.

uplanderguy

I've oft-surmised that for everyone who feels that way (and most do), the people at the receiving end most likely feel identically about moving where the first person lives, LOL.

Mr_Shiftright

Fair enough but some parts of the country are just too grim to bear.

Michaell

Mr_Shiftright said:

Fair enough but some parts of the country are just too grim to bear.

I was on a conference call with a person from the Bay Area this morning - the temp there and the temp here in Colorado were virtually identical (mid to upper 30's).

His comment was that they paid too much in property taxes to have such poor weather.

Mr_Shiftright

Ohhhhh, the temperature at night here was a brutal.....31 degrees. LOL!

If my pansies can survive this, so can your friend I think.

Nice and sunny today.

fintail

I have family who lives in an economically depressed town in western WA. People there, young ones especially, complain about the place, as they can visit the bustling relatively prosperous Puget Sound rat race and be back home in an easy day trip. I've told them once that it isn't all bad - that large parts of the country have it much worse than their town, and that much of many states are just like their town. If I could keep my current income, I would consider living in such a place, as even with the drawbacks, it is still close to civilization, and I know the area. The grass is always greener I guess, and it is all relative. Those small towns are better for finding project cars anyway.

xwesx

Mr_Shiftright said:

Ohhhhh, the temperature at night here was a brutal.....31 degrees. LOL!

If my pansies can survive this, so can your friend I think.

Nice and sunny today.

Pansies are a very hardy flower! One of the only ones that is perennial up here.

Mr_Shiftright

Pansy Power

Speaking of projects, I remember living in Colorado and working on cars outdoors in the snow. Never again.

gsemike

fintail said:

I have family who lives in an economically depressed town in western WA. People there, young ones especially, complain about the place, as they can visit the bustling relatively prosperous Puget Sound rat race and be back home in an easy day trip. I've told them once that it isn't all bad - that large parts of the country have it much worse than their town, and that much of many states are just like their town. If I could keep my current income, I would consider living in such a place, as even with the drawbacks, it is still close to civilization, and I know the area. The grass is always greener I guess, and it is all relative. Those small towns are better for finding project cars anyway.

I've always since college worked at large corp HQ settings. The money is good, but expenses are high. If I could keep my money and work in a lower cost of living place, it would be tempting. To go someplace else and make the going rate.... I don't know. My wife loves upstate NY, and things can be much cheaper, but it might be too quiet. Either way, I wouldn't ever want to be too far from my kids, as they grow up. My folks are still in the house I grew up in and I appreciate that they never took off for Fla or anything like that

uplanderguy

I work at home. I could buy a lot more house in my old hometown than where I live now, and I think the geography is prettier (greener; in a valley, etc.). Oh well. Wife says if I go it'll be by myself, LOL.

xwesx

uplanderguy said:

I work at home. I could buy a lot more house in my old hometown than where I live now, and I think the geography is prettier (greener; in a valley, etc.). Oh well. Wife says if I go it'll be by myself, LOL.

What?! I'd be packing already!
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I JEST! I Jest!





(just in case my wife reads this....)

explorerx4

At some point, I'd like to move somewhere a little warmer, but my wife has a big family, a lot of them are needy, and she feels like she needs to look out for them.
One good thing about the winter is it gives you a good excuse to put off repairs on your old car.
My Mustang sprung a radiator leak. I put some sealer in it and it worked as long as I drove it regularly.
Cold weather? Wash it, change the oil, fill it with gas, put the cover on it and don't worry about it until next spring.

fortee9er

Please pretty please stay in Cali! Don't move we don't need a bunch of Californians with lots of cash, from the sale of their homes, driving up the price of local real estate. We also have more than enough people here clogging up the freeways.

sda

gsemike said:

Who knows? A lot of people aren't meant to live where they were born and raised. I had a company that moved from NYC to Charlotte. I have a number of friends that are down there for 15 years now. I see the allure. Some people went and returned within 3 years. For all we put up with in NY (Long Island), it would be weird to live anywhere else.
All my nuclear family stayed here which is a factor

With the cost of housing so high in the NE, folks from there can buy a very nice home in the Charlotte area and still not spend as much as they did in the NE. We have 4 moderate seasons. What's not to like? Good bagels are still hard to come by.

tjc78

I'd never survive down south in terms of the food. I'd miss too much of the Philly/NJ food! Good BBQ, though I'll say that

explorerx4

We visited my older daughter when she was working in Charlotte for 6 weeks or so.
Like that area. Good pro sports and like lake Norman.
We stayed at the Ritz using the BMW corporate rate. I just felt awkward having 4 people opening 2 sets of doors every time we went in or out.
Found another way in/out and felt more comfortable after that.

Mr_Shiftright

Maybe this conversation needs to go to the Cars & Conversations topic? Let's keep this topic directed at project cars.

gsemike

Mr_Shiftright said:

Maybe this conversation needs to go to the Cars & Conversations topic? Let's keep this topic directed at project cars.

Let's pick this up at cnn.money.com

texases

Buy them all - be the only one in the world with such a collection!
https://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/5893207494.html

Mr_Shiftright

Is that the Jon Voight model I see?

qbrozen

"Liquidating my collection."
ummm...ACME cartoon blender, aisle 6, please.

fintail

Funny thing to collect, but the prices look OK. Now to re-create Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.

stickguy

well that is just, odd. Someone needed an intervention a long time ago.

fortee9er

22 LeBarons! And I thought I was crazy.

tjc78

Wow, and I thought my mild obsession with Panther chassis vehicles was bad.

stickguy

your neighbors would have you booted from town if you parked that many up and down the block.

xwesx

Booted? That's not what I hear they do in Jersey.....

tjc78

You are probably right. One of my neighbors has a garage with a few late 70s Camaros, he may have understood.... maybe

explorerx4

I guess they have a sense of humor in the Charlotte area.
https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5912786130.html

xwesx

explorerx4 said:

I guess they have a sense of humor in the Charlotte area.
https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/5912786130.html

Hah! That poor car has seen better (and worse) days!

stickguy

not sure you can even get any salable parts off that mess.

fintail

Sob indeed. You'd have to work so many hours to get $450 out of that, might as well just get a second job.

fortee9er

I saw a CL ad, a few months ago, for a car that was buried, the back half anyway.

stever

People will buy all sorts of things....

Mr_Shiftright

Not much hair left on that old dog.

gsemike

Year end deals $1,000 - 4,000

Thanks all for helping me kill time on the occasional slow day. Wishing you all good fortune in 2017!

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937303133.html Cop engine; cop tires...... Pics could be better but if this is your thing, I'd imagine this would be intriguing

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937307706.html Trans Am... needs paint but may be save-able. The prices on these have really come up

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5903029383.html Decent looking BMW. Don't take his word about that window though

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5913165357.html For a little work truck with miles, this seems to have held up well

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937264832.html Another one that if you can take the guys word for it, it could be OK

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937253572.html Ready for winter

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937251902.html Ford era Volvo

Mr_Shiftright

gsemike said:

Year end deals $1,000 - 4,000

Thanks all for helping me kill time on the occasional slow day. Wishing you all good fortune in 2017!

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937303133.html Cop engine; cop tires...... Pics could be better but if this is your thing, I'd imagine this would be intriguing

85 Chrysler 5th Ave--what makes you think this was a cop car?

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937307706.html Trans Am... needs paint but may be save-able. The prices on these have really come up

1978 Trans Am---might be an ok parts car. These come in many different flavors--W72, Special Edition, SE W72, and hence values vary widely.


http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5903029383.html Decent looking BMW. Don't take his word about that window though

2003 BMW 325ix -- well, a BMW with 150K on it is scary. You could probably fix the window with a trip to the wrecking yard, but the sunroof repair will probably require dropping the headliner, which is a tricky job. Might be worth it if you can discipline yourself to bail out in time.

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5913165357.html For a little work truck with miles, this seems to have held up well

Seems fair enough

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937264832.html Another one that if you can take the guys word for it, it could be OK

Looks like a pile of rubble to me

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937253572.html Ready for winter

Probably totally awful to drive but if you could make some $$ with it, might be worth it.

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937251902.html Ford era Volvo

I'm thinkin' Money Pit on this one.

ab348

gsemike said:

http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5937251902.html Ford era Volvo

The original engine lasted 80,000 miles. So it sounds like the replacement might also be near the end of the line.

fintail

I like the button tufted interior in the Chrysler, looks comfy.

This was posted on another forum, talk about rare - I've never seen a wagon variant before.

Mr_Shiftright

Geez, he should give those away for free...they are pretty far gone. Might make an interesting rod/custom.

qbrozen

volvo "cx90" huh? Alrighty then.
well, he doesnt say WHICH engine. A T6 would not be on its original trans and a 2.5T being so short-lived would be quite rare. Hmmm