Thanks On 1: The paperwork they sent me states "Lease Information Screen", so it's a lease? It says 36/10k and Lease Institution: BMWLSE
On 2: I told them that going from "Elite to Standard Plus" adds .00030 to the money factor, and they in fact marked it up. I told them that I already had my credit ran at another dealership on a 30i, M Sport Pkg and decided I wanted the m40i demo instead, in which they do not have. I also told them again, I fall into the "Standard Plus" tier. Their reply was "After we run your credit, we can offer you the .000175 instead of the .000185 we quoted you."
So how do I get them to agree on the MF with no markup? Are they going to try to pull a credit issue game with me?
On 3: I was doing the math on the MSD's. Am I calculating this right? The payment is $766.40 a mo inc sales tax. If I do (7)MSD's, that is $800 X's 7= $5600. Assuming, they revise the MF for "Standard Plus", so it's NOT inflated, that would be .00175, minus .00035 (7 MSD's), that would bring my MF to .00140. That now brings my mo payment to $719 mo vs $755 mo. So I'm only saving $36 a month, but Im shelling out $5600 upfront + the $1500 total DAS. It doesn't look like I should apply any MSD's.I might as well just keep the $5600 in my own bank account. Thoughts?
That worksheet shows some numbers for a lease, but not all of them. Keep asking for a full accounting of the numbers until you are satisfied.
Dealers will often quote a higher MF before pulling credit. Just ensure that the base MF is used on the final contract.
One thing about MSDs which wasn't mentioned - you get that $5600 back at the end of the lease.
You'll never save the whole MSD amount, but think about the return on your money. You'll save almost $1300 over the life of your lease, or close to 8% per year.
If you have an investment vehicle that will guarantee that rate of return, then yes, invest the money there. But, we stand by our recommendation to use it, if you can afford to.
Ok makes sense now. Thanks so much for the info, you have been amazing. I will keep you updated.
Total Sales tax line is informational, only. It's the total amount of sales tax paid over the lease term. If it were tax on a purchase, it would be over $4000
The acquisition fee is likely in the "total adds to CAP cost"
12% off MSRP on a demo, when you have to pay to have it shipped? Not that great.
If you live in Sarasota, you can't be that far from anywhere else in the state. Just go get the vehicle, if you lease it.
@moderator: 1: What if the car is totaled in an accident? Do you lose the MSD monies or is that guaranteed to come back to me in full? That's why I refuse to put a large chunk of money down towards a lease.
2: If I live in Sarasota, FL and the dealership is in another city/state, do they all have different regional incentives? Is there a way to shop for regional offers?
@kyfdx, thank you. I asked them where the acquisition fee is, they state it's in the cap cost.
1: Shouldn't it be 15% BEFORE applying any other incentives? I have seen most dealerships apply the incentives and state that we are close to the 15%, with incentives included.
2: Since it's a demo and has approx 2k miles, shouldn't there be a deduction of monies per mile, as well as the $1250 BMW lease cash, Conquest cash, USAA discounts, etc.... I don't think they are a USAA approved BMW dealership. They can still match that though, right? I think it's$500 USAA and some dealerships match it, for a total of $1k USAA.
3: I cannot locate a 19' Demo m40i, blk/blk. I tried working with a few dealerships on a new, non demo and they aren't willing to move as much on the M40i.
Maybe I should copy and paste the offer from this dealership out of state and try going for a brand new one locally, IF they can beat their pricing? If they accept, I'll do the deal with them. It is the end of the month, so maybe they will do the deal? Maybe they need that quarterly or end of month bonus?
@moderator: 1: What if the car is totaled in an accident? Do you lose the MSD monies or is that guaranteed to come back to me in full? That's why I refuse to put a large chunk of money down towards a lease. MSDs are not the same as a CAP cost reduction.
2: If I live in Sarasota, FL and the dealership is in another city/state, do they all have different regional incentives? Is there a way to shop for regional offers? Yes, it's possible that other markets will have different incentives. However, we haven't seen any differences for the X4, this month. @kyfdx, thank you. I asked them where the acquisition fee is, they state it's in the cap cost.
1: Shouldn't it be 15% BEFORE applying any other incentives? I have seen most dealerships apply the incentives and state that we are close to the 15%, with incentives included. Yes.. a good price on a demo would be 15% off, before applying incentives
2: Since it's a demo and has approx 2k miles, shouldn't there be a deduction of monies per mile, as well as the $1250 BMW lease cash, Conquest cash, USAA discounts, etc.... I don't think they are a USAA approved BMW dealership. They can still match that though, right? I think it's$500 USAA and some dealerships match it, for a total of $1k USAA. There is no price incentive, other than the larger discount the dealer gives. However, the residual is reduced to account for the existing mileage. Which is why you want a big discount, to more than make up for that.
3: I cannot locate a 19' Demo m40i, blk/blk. I tried working with a few dealerships on a new, non demo and they aren't willing to move as much on the M40i. Can't help you with a search. The X4 is not a high-volume model, so finding demos might be difficult.
Maybe I should copy and paste the offer from this dealership out of state and try going for a brand new one locally, IF they can beat their pricing? If they accept, I'll do the deal with them. It is the end of the month, so maybe they will do the deal? Maybe they need that quarterly or end of month bonus?
I think this is the best offer I have received, based on my personal credit score. Over the course of the 36 mo lease, I will have paid out a total of $29,485 for a car that MSRP's at $68k.
Q: Is there a Rule of Thumb for leasing in which you shouldn't pay more than 50% of the MSRP over the course of the lease?
Oh...their Residual is at 56.26% to account for the 2000 demo miles. I know you mentioned 58%. So that's a difference of 1.74%. How do they make up for that? They state they cannot apply any more discounts, they are at rock bottom.
Oh...their Residual is at 56.26% to account for the 2000 demo miles. I know you mentioned 58%. So that's a difference of 1.74%. How do they make up for that? They state they cannot apply any more discounts, they are at rock bottom.
They make up for it by lowering the sale price. If they are unwilling, maybe it's not that great of a deal?
There is no rule of thumb. Every vehicle will be different, based on the lease program available.
$819/mo. is not cheap for a demo BMW with an MSRP of $68K.
Thanks, I figured overall with the $1500 total DAS and the mo payment with taxes, I'm paying $819 a mo, like you stated. The first time I test drove one, in June, I got a quote for $1000 total DAS and $1015 mo.
Question: I'm considering the Jaguar S as well. Do you know what the MF, Residual and Incentives are on a 2019 Jaguar S, in Sarasota FL 34239?
Thanks, I figured overall with the $1500 total DAS and the mo payment with taxes, I'm paying $819 a mo, like you stated. The first time I test drove one, in June, I got a quote for $1000 total DAS and $1015 mo.
Question: I'm considering the Jaguar S as well. Do you know what the MF, Residual and Incentives are on a 2019 Jaguar S, in Sarasota FL 34239?
Hello, would it be possible for you to share the August money factor and residual for a 2019 X4 xDrive 30i in 94118? The term is 36 months / 10K miles. Thanks in advance.
Hello, would it be possible for you to share the August money factor and residual for a 2019 X4 xDrive 30i in 94118? The term is 36 months / 10K miles. Thanks in advance.
Looking to lease a 2019 x4 30i MSRP: $60,190 36/10 Zip: 33180 Dealership came back with a “purchase” price of $56,006.13 + an additional $2000 in incentives = $798.23 p/month, $1,420.82 out of pocket.
I know they are adding back in about $1790 in dealer fees.
I asked what mf & residual and was told - .00165 mf, 58% residual.
Does this add up? I feel a better deal is out there.
Looking to lease a 2019 x4 30i MSRP: $60,190 36/10 Zip: 33180 Dealership came back with a “purchase” price of $56,006.13 + an additional $2000 in incentives = $798.23 p/month, $1,420.82 out of pocket.
I know they are adding back in about $1790 in dealer fees.
I asked what mf & residual and was told - .00165 mf, 58% residual.
Does this add up? I feel a better deal is out there.
Not a current BMW owner USAA member
Base MF is .00145, so I'd start there. Tell them no deal unless you get the base MF.
And, ask them to provide a lease deal worksheet, not one for a purchase.
Looking to lease a 2019 x4 30i MSRP: $60,190 36/10 Zip: 33180 Dealership came back with a “purchase” price of $56,006.13 + an additional $2000 in incentives = $798.23 p/month, $1,420.82 out of pocket.
I know they are adding back in about $1790 in dealer fees.
I asked what mf & residual and was told - .00165 mf, 58% residual.
Does this add up? I feel a better deal is out there.
Not a current BMW owner USAA member
Base MF is .00145, so I'd start there. Tell them no deal unless you get the base MF.
And, ask them to provide a lease deal worksheet, not one for a purchase.
Thanks! They are claiming a 6% discount off MSRP but adding $1790 back in for fees, essentially negating the rebates. Will request a lease worksheet. USAA’s website says incentive up to $1000, dealership says it’s $500. I looked at another BMW dealerships website about 20 miles north and they had the USAA incentive at $1000. Does the incentive vary by that much in such a short distance?
Looking to lease a 2019 x4 30i MSRP: $60,190 36/10 Zip: 33180 Dealership came back with a “purchase” price of $56,006.13 + an additional $2000 in incentives = $798.23 p/month, $1,420.82 out of pocket.
I know they are adding back in about $1790 in dealer fees.
I asked what mf & residual and was told - .00165 mf, 58% residual.
Does this add up? I feel a better deal is out there.
Not a current BMW owner USAA member
Base MF is .00145, so I'd start there. Tell them no deal unless you get the base MF.
And, ask them to provide a lease deal worksheet, not one for a purchase.
Thanks! They are claiming a 6% discount off MSRP but adding $1790 back in for fees, essentially negating the rebates. Will request a lease worksheet. USAA’s website says incentive up to $1000, dealership says it’s $500. I looked at another BMW dealerships website about 20 miles north and they had the USAA incentive at $1000. Does the incentive vary by that much in such a short distance?
It's possible the incentives vary - we've had problems getting S. Florida numbers, so we've been using N. Florida for some time. We can't prove it, one way or the other.
Can you please provide MF + Residual 2019 BMW M40i
-Any incentives such as local and national rebates, lease cash, or USAA
-Please provide for BOTH Zip Codes: 19607 zip code (If I live in zip code 34228 but am buying a car out of state, do they use the numbers in their local zip code where the dealership is located at OR where I physically live?)
and 34228 please
-36/10k
-What is the tier bump for Standard and Standard Plus?
Can you please provide MF + Residual 2019 BMW M40i
-Any incentives such as local and national rebates, lease cash, or USAA
-Please provide for BOTH Zip Codes: 19607 zip code (If I live in zip code 34228 but am buying a car out of state, do they use the numbers in their local zip code where the dealership is located at OR where I physically live?)
and 34228 please
-36/10k
-What is the tier bump for Standard and Standard Plus?
Can you please provide MF + Residual 2019 BMW M40i
-Any incentives such as local and national rebates, lease cash, or USAA
-Please provide for BOTH Zip Codes: 19607 zip code (If I live in zip code 34228 but am buying a car out of state, do they use the numbers in their local zip code where the dealership is located at OR where I physically live?)
and 34228 please
-36/10k
-What is the tier bump for Standard and Standard Plus?
I asked for the MF and residual, they told me: .00158 and 58%
You told me the base MF was .00128 + Standard Plus tier add of .00030 so this does equate to the .00158 MF he quoted me, which is not padded or marked up.
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Dealers will often quote a higher MF before pulling credit. Just ensure that the base MF is used on the final contract.
One thing about MSDs which wasn't mentioned - you get that $5600 back at the end of the lease.
You'll never save the whole MSD amount, but think about the return on your money. You'll save almost $1300 over the life of your lease, or close to 8% per year.
If you have an investment vehicle that will guarantee that rate of return, then yes, invest the money there. But, we stand by our recommendation to use it, if you can afford to.
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The acquisition fee is likely in the "total adds to CAP cost"
12% off MSRP on a demo, when you have to pay to have it shipped? Not that great.
If you live in Sarasota, you can't be that far from anywhere else in the state. Just go get the vehicle, if you lease it.
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1: What if the car is totaled in an accident? Do you lose the MSD monies or is that guaranteed to come back to me in full? That's why I refuse to put a large chunk of money down towards a lease.
2: If I live in Sarasota, FL and the dealership is in another city/state, do they all have different regional incentives? Is there a way to shop for regional offers?
@kyfdx, thank you. I asked them where the acquisition fee is, they state it's in the cap cost.
1: Shouldn't it be 15% BEFORE applying any other incentives? I have seen most dealerships apply the incentives and state that we are close to the 15%, with incentives included.
2: Since it's a demo and has approx 2k miles, shouldn't there be a deduction of monies per mile, as well as the $1250 BMW lease cash, Conquest cash, USAA discounts, etc.... I don't think they are a USAA approved BMW dealership. They can still match that though, right? I think it's$500 USAA and some dealerships match it, for a total of $1k USAA.
3: I cannot locate a 19' Demo m40i, blk/blk. I tried working with a few dealerships on a new, non demo and they aren't willing to move as much on the M40i.
Maybe I should copy and paste the offer from this dealership out of state and try going for a brand new one locally, IF they can beat their pricing? If they accept, I'll do the deal with them. It is the end of the month, so maybe they will do the deal? Maybe they need that quarterly or end of month bonus?
Thoughts?
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Over the course of the 36 mo lease, I will have paid out a total of $29,485 for a car that MSRP's at $68k.
Q: Is there a Rule of Thumb for leasing in which you shouldn't pay more than 50% of the MSRP over the course of the lease?
Once I get my deal set in stone, I will update.
There is no rule of thumb. Every vehicle will be different, based on the lease program available.
$819/mo. is not cheap for a demo BMW with an MSRP of $68K.
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Question: I'm considering the Jaguar S as well. Do you know what the MF, Residual and Incentives are on a 2019 Jaguar S, in Sarasota FL 34239?
Ask here:
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First of the month, so new incentives?
What’s the MF, RV and incentives for an 2019 x4 , 36/12k , area:12553
Thanks.
$1250 lease credit
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What is MF, Residual and incentives for 2019 X4 Xdrive30i, 36/12k in Sacramento, CA (95670)? Thanks
$1250 lease credit
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Could you please let me know MF, RV and August incentives for 2020 X4 M (non-comp) in Seattle, WA 98121. Thank you!
.00145 and 55%
No incentives
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With the 3 bureaus, there are different scoring models.
Do you know which ones they use?
Do they use FICO Score 8?
If not, which one do they use?
-Experian: Auto 8 or Auto 2
-Equifax: Auto 8 or Auto 5
-Transunion: Auto 8 or Auto 4
Please advise, thanks
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Thanks
$1250 lease credit
Won't matter, if it has under 500 miles
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No lease incentives
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36/12k
2019 X4 30I
MSRP 52685
Dealer offer 47320
Current BMW placeholder, AD military, USAA member
MF, residual, incentives?
Thx
$1250 lease credit
$1500 loyalty
$250 USAA
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MSRP: $60,190
36/10
Zip: 33180
Dealership came back with a “purchase” price of $56,006.13 + an additional $2000 in incentives = $798.23 p/month, $1,420.82 out of pocket.
I know they are adding back in about $1790 in dealer fees.
I asked what mf & residual and was told - .00165 mf, 58% residual.
Does this add up? I feel a better deal is out there.
Not a current BMW owner
USAA member
And, ask them to provide a lease deal worksheet, not one for a purchase.
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USAA’s website says incentive up to $1000, dealership says it’s $500. I looked at another BMW dealerships website about 20 miles north and they had the USAA incentive at $1000. Does the incentive vary by that much in such a short distance?
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2019 - .00145 and 58%; $1250 lease credit
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$1250 lease credit
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.00128 MF and 55% residual
$1000 lease credit
$1500 loyalty
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$1000 lease credit
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Thank you. Also if residual goes down when some miles on car. Like a loaner with 1K.
.00128 MF and 55% residual
$1000 lease credit
Reduce the calculated residual amount by $0.25/mile
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2019 BMW M40i
-Any incentives such as local and national rebates, lease cash, or USAA
-Please provide for BOTH Zip Codes:
19607 zip code (If I live in zip code 34228 but am buying a car out of state, do they use the numbers in their local zip code where the dealership is located at OR where I physically live?)
and 34228 please
-36/10k
-What is the tier bump for Standard and Standard Plus?
Thank you, hoping to make this happen today.
$1250 lease credit (PA)
$1000 lease credit (FL)
Dealer's location
+.00010
+.00030
Above .00128 MF
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2019 BMW X4 M40i
1k miles (Demo)
MSRP: $64k
$1500 Total DAS
$690 mo inc sales tax at 7%
(There's a $151 Doc Fee, $350 Disposition Fee, $925 Acquisition Fee charged)
I asked for the MF and residual, they told me:
.00158 and 58%
You told me the base MF was .00128 + Standard Plus tier add of .00030
so this does equate to the .00158 MF he quoted me, which is not padded or marked up.
Thoughts?