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Sorry...you lose, again!
You are correct...the readers are perfectly capable of figuring out the truth for themselves.
I suggest you read some of the complaints before you criticize others. It seems you are in the minority here isellhondas.
Remember, the guy is a salesman and he has his own opinions on V-6 Accords since he sells them.
Just imagine a customer walking into a Honda dealership and isellhondas refusing to sell him a V-6 Accord. Come on, the guy is a "salesman" and would sell anything to make his vaunted commission.
You also work on commission. If you don't do your job and do it fairly well, you will be fired.
You are dedicated to spreading your opinion that Hondas are bad cars with constant problems.
Please continue...you are pretty amsuing!
It has been in my mind a lemon to say the least. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I am not the only one that has had the same type of problem.
By the way, I have read many of the replies from isellhondas on the various topics here in Edmunds and I must say he seems 50% knowledgeable and 50% salesman bulls#&. Sorry, I call them as I see them.
Let's keep this topic civil and please dispense with all the personal attacks. The issue is Honda Quality Assurance issues and let's keep it at that.
Two quick questions... and I don't want to stray too far from the "Honda Quality" topic. 1) I see that you're a Toyota owner. How do like/rate the Camry and Avalon with the Accord? 2) Did you ever test drive the '96/'97 Supra ([email protected])? If so, was it as wicked as I want to believe? Are there any other Toyota owners that care to comment?
Besides your personal attack on IsellHonda, what do you bring to the conversation? Perhaps experience with a sample of one vehicle and a lot of opinions, based on ..... what exactly?
Apparently waste gas from the busy little turbo in your head...
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you should be able to support it with something other than insults, if you want it to have any value.
IsellHonda sees hundreds of Hondas during the course of a year; he's admitted that there have been problems with certain parts; he's been honest about that.
I hate to fall back to the old "where are some statistics to back up what you're saying?" argument, but until you produce them, you are the one that has to be considered wrong.
Forums such as this are an entertaining and sometimes useful means of obtaining and exchanging information but, unfortunately, it can be difficult to discern the truth. A few people with an agenda can easily mislead others, at least for awhile. That someone has posted a bad experience, no matter how egregious, is not by itself an indication of a problem. Even several people who seem to have similar problems may represent anamolous failures rather than a trend. Are posts in separate forums different events or the same person posting under different names? We, as forums readers and participants, must remember that we have no way to discern the veracity or motivation the author and we must independently verify EVERYTHING.
Since I'm considering the purchase of an Acura with auto-transmission, I was concerned when I first began reading these forums, but other than the '99 problem covered under a TSB, I've only found anecdotal evidence of anything more insidious and there is that pesky credibility issue regarding forum posts. After investigating how the Honda transmission design differs from others, I expect it to sound different when shifting to or from reverse so perhaps some people have been influenced by forum suggestions to believe that that difference is an indication of a problem.
In any case, keep a big grain of salt handy as you browse internet forums and be careful that you do not repeat information that you do not KNOW to be true.
Okay, so some people think there IS a major problem here and some don't. Let's keep digging at FACTS and other websites that might support each conclusion. People come here for information and friendship, not to read arguments.
So please don't empty the room on this interesting discussion.
Thank you, all Town Hall members who called for courtesy!
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A lot of points have been covered here that have been beneficial in my estimation. Let's keep the ball rolling!
Should be fairly easy to see if you got a new tranny, the housing would be sparkling clean.
Talk to the service manager at the dealership and have him or her explain everything that was done to your transmission. Simply ask if the entire transmission was replaced.
It has been an ongoing problem on V-6 Accords since 1998 and the dealership is aware of all the TSB's regarding the topic.
I own a Honda Accord, Toyota Camry and a 1968 MGC British Racing Green) which is fully restored. I show the C on weekends at various car shows. At these shows, I have the opportunity to talk to other car enthusiasts from all different age groups. Believe it or not, most drive Honda Accords, Toyota Camrys and VW Passats as their everyday driver.
Comparing the Accord and the Camry is pretty difficult as both cars have their own merits.
I keep seeing a Toyota Supra in the area that I live that is purple in color with the big rear spoiler. Always have wanted to talk to the owner and have a look at his car up close.
Just so you know, my Accord has a DC Sports stainless steel catback, DC Sports upper strut tower brace, and a K&N filter. My Camry will get a face lift soon with some TRD parts starting with the exhaust.
Now you know where I have derived my nickname from. Love reading about Hondas here and in Honda Problems Part II at Edmunds. Cheers!
My sincere apologies to anyone that I may have offended.
You definitely should flag down that neigbor with the Supra. I may be wrong, but I believe the '96 was one of the fastest (0-60mph and top-end) production cars manufactured. Too bad Toyota stopped production.
So much for this topic -- it isn't Accord quality control. I better go, but in closing, I'll just say that I'm going to purchase a '71 N600 Sedan asap. Talk about power...
2 weeks later, the check engine light goes on and the dealer ended changing the catalytic converter and charged me for the install. Has anyone seen this problem before?
I hope my engine is ok!
If you're not the one, then you probably got a problem that needs to be fixed. When that light is on your bags will not deploy. Not much good having them if they won't work if needed. Don't let the dealer "verbally" repair your car. Needs handson diagnosis. If it's a seat sensor repair will involve removing the upholstery. Hope that's not the case. Get it fixed and let us know what it was.
There have been some discussions about paint issues. The paint used in North American plants is waterborne - required by EPA plant emissions standards. Has nothing to do with American vs. Japanese worker.
The Passat V-6 is also more costly than the Accord V-6. Some of them sticker for over 30K which is pretty expensive. Guess you pay for what you get.
Overall, the Passat V-6 has an excellent powertrain warranty as compared to the V-6 Accord. Passat's overall have some of the finest paint jobs you will ever see on a car.
isellhondas--I guess anselmo1 is stating that the I-4 is much more reliable than the V-6 Accord. I tend to agree.
And I've never seen anything to indicate that the four cylinder Honda engine is "much more reliable" than the V-6.
Is this just your personal opinions or what?
Car and Driver back a couple of years ago stated that the V-6 Passat was far better than their 4 cylinder model. In retrospect, I believe it is the other way around for the Honda Accord.
I have owned many Honda Accords over the years and the generation 6 Accord has to be the be the most disappointing when it comes to reliability. Honda is just producing to many Accords and it seems that their "Quaility Benchmark" is suffering.
It is true regarding the paint on the Japanese Accords, their paint quality is less likely to chip as they are not governed by the same EP standards as in the USA.
Maybe this is why VW has problems with their new Beetle as well as the Jetta. Hope Honda doesn't think about moving or building a plant in Mexico.
The Passat is made in Germany most likely by Turkish workers which are comparable to the Mexican VW workers. The Passat doesn't have the electrical problems that the Jetta and Beetle have encountered.
The paint on the Passat though I have to admit is outstanding. Like the 10 year 100,000 power train warranty also. Sure beats the 3 year 36,000 mile power train warranty on the Accord.
I had my experience with VW (Very Worst) in the early '80's with a new 1980 Rabbit. Worst POS ever. Customer service non-existant at best from VWoA. The (lack of) customer service is what will keep me from ever buying a VW again in my lifetime. So, I didn't even look at the passat at my local Honda/VW dealer when I bought my Accord last year. (They sell Honda and VW.)
He said those workers were carefully screened and well trained. They were happy to have jobs that paid a decent wage and the results showed.
Things can change, I guess...