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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,595
    andys120 said:

    bhill2 said:

    stickguy said:

    berri said:

    Thanks. 1959 is starting to be a very "long" time ago B)

    any car that is older than I am, at this point is Really old.
    Imagine being able to remember when they came out!
    Hell, I learned to drive in one ('59 Mercury Monterey)

    I learned on a '60 Falcon. The challenge was learning to control all of that tire-shredding power.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    1969 Volvo. Stick. Not 1 power option, including brakes or steering.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    bhill2 said:

    andys120 said:

    bhill2 said:

    stickguy said:

    berri said:

    Thanks. 1959 is starting to be a very "long" time ago B)

    any car that is older than I am, at this point is Really old.
    Imagine being able to remember when they came out!
    Hell, I learned to drive in one ('59 Mercury Monterey)

    I learned on a '60 Falcon. The challenge was learning to control all of that tire-shredding power.
    An old girlfriend of mine has one of those. I usually ended up fixing it. I threatened to turn it into a pedal car in order to get more power out of it.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,429
    '72 Lincoln Coupe (not the Town Coupe.. we couldn't afford the carriage lights).

    Took my road test in a '74 Sedan DeVille. :p

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,595
    stickguy said:

    1969 Volvo. Stick. Not 1 power option, including brakes or steering.

    I had one of those. Two door. IIRC it still had a manual choke, but it wasn't my first Volvo so I'm not sure. It didn't have that cute little window shade that you could pull up in front of the radiator to help the warmup process, though. That thing was oddly useful for keeping the engine at your preferred temperature.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    Yup. Manual choke. No AC, and no window shade.

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,595
    stickguy said:

    Yup. Manual choke. No AC, and no window shade.

    My dad had a '72 with the dealer-installed AC. The air intake was near the passenger kick vent. Want fresh air AC, you open the vent. Want recirculation, close it.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669

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  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,398
    56 Ford Vic
  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,595
    Has a Thunderbird V-8. 292 c.i., I think, possibly 312.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    '79ish Plymouth Sapporo? Guess it could be the Dodge Challenger version...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    You got it right the first time, it's a 1980 Plymouth Sapporo built by Mitsubishi but sold by Chryco w a Plymouth badge.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    edited July 2016
    Mystery interior>


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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    well, easy to tell it is a BMW. Looks like a 2002 of some sort to me.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,105
    Think $$$
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'm thinkin' 3.0 CS, CSi or (gasp!) CSL coupe? If the latter, you're pushin' $200K.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    I'm thinkin' 3.0 CS, CSi or (gasp!) CSL coupe? If the latter, you're pushin' $200K.

    Well it's a 1973 BMW 3.0CS but I think the interior was much the same on all the iterations of the E9 (2000CS/2800CS/3.0CS/CSi/CSL)

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,429
    andys120 said:

    Mr_Shiftright said:

    I'm thinkin' 3.0 CS, CSi or (gasp!) CSL coupe? If the latter, you're pushin' $200K.

    Well it's a 1973 BMW 3.0CS but I think the interior was much the same on all the iterations of the E9 (2000CS/2800CS/3.0CS/CSi/CSL)
    Yep.. looks a lot like my '67.. just some more upgraded trim pieces, I think.

    I love the knobs to open the vent windows.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    My fintail has similar knobs:

    image

    I remember the 66 Galaxie had like a 1:2 scale normal window winder for the vent windows.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    What car(s) am I thinking of with electric vent windows?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    70s Lincolns had power vent windows:

    https://youtu.be/WpWfF2naN_A
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I think both upper level GM and Chrysler had them in the sixties. I also think they were on Lincolns maybe even in the late 50's.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    edited July 2016
    The world's first hatchback?>


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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'd say it was the 2nd. Here's the 1st (there's a big debate about this, so I'm not publishing the gospel here):


  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    Good point Mr.S. The Traveler was first by almost a decade.

    Now who is going to say what my sporty 1957 hatch is?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'll give a hint...a very broad hint.....think COBRA
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,330
    It does have an AC badge so maker is easy. The only models I know the name of are the ace and Bristol.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The Traveler doesn't count since it has a tailgate. :p
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    stickguy said:

    It does have an AC badge so maker is easy. The only models I know the name of are the ace and Bristol.

    You're getting close, in fact very close. It's a 1957 AC Aceca-Bristol, essentially a tin-roof version of the wonderful Ace-Bristol which Carroll Shelby transformed into the Cobra with the addition of the 260CID "Fairlane" V8

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    stever said:

    The Traveler doesn't count since it has a tailgate. :p

    Nice try, but you didn't have to use the lower half.

    Touche you troublemaker ! :@


  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    We've talked about this before and it seems that there are varying standards for just what is considered a hatchback. Some do not count the E-Type FHC because the hatch opens to the side.

    I'm pretty sure that the car shown below was the first to combine a rear hatch with a transverse mounted engine driving the front wheels, ushering in the era of the modern hatchback in 1964>



    Some versions of this car did not have a hatch, do you know what it is?

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  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    edited July 2016
    G'day



    The Autobianchi Primula was supposedly the first hatchback and established the idea of a transverse mounted front wheel drive hatchback, which then became ubiquitous in Europe and Japan.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    edited July 2016
    But wait....

    It wasn't FWD but this car preceded the Primula by 4 years and it offered several different types of hatch openings. Take your pick>








    Que es eso?

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited July 2016
    That Austin looks like an ordinary station wagon.

    Available in two- and four-door body styles, hatchbacks have the same footprint as a comparably sized sedan, but instead of a conventional trunk, they offer a spacious cargo bay accessed by an overhead liftgate. (link)

    Who knew you could spend weeks debating car doors. :p
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    edited July 2016
    As far as I know the Countryman/wagon version of the Austin A40 had the same footprint as it's trunk back brethren. While some versions had the split tailgate you might associate w a wagon others, like this Italian-built Innocenti had the overhead liftgate typical of hatchbacks.



    Sure looks like a hatchback to ;) me.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited July 2016
    Reminds me of my '97 Outback Limited Wagon. Not once in ~12 years of ownership did we invite anyone to hop in our hatchback for a ride.



    So what's this mystery car?


  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    edited July 2016
    VW Squarebacks aren't too mysterious, I still see them on the road now and then here :)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited July 2016
    So now the question is whether you agree with Wiki's categorization of the Squareback.

    Hatch, wagon or other? :)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,408
    It's a 2 door wagon to me.

    Another one to ponder, Renault 4, starting 1961:

    image
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    The R4 may have been the best car ever made by Renault, it was a huge step up in terms of room and serviceability from the 2CVs, 4CVs and Dauphines that French motorists were used to.

    If memory serves correctly Pope Francis owned one.

    Was it a wagon or a hatchback? I dunno, it was one of those category defying machines that seems to have been both and AFAIK there was no trunkback version.

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709

    Humm - that back seat doesn't look like it holds very many beef-eating porky Americans, huh?

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    iluvmysephia1 said:


    Humm - that back seat doesn't look like it holds very many beef-eating porky Americans, huh?

    More than you could get into this, I'll bet>


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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    No doubt, andys120!

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    edited July 2016
    1967 Olds Cutlass.

    Ok, Pop Quiz..........
    Olds 442
    4=?
    4=?
    2=?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited July 2016
    stever said:

    So now the question is whether you agree with Wiki's categorization of the Squareback.

    Hatch, wagon or other? :)

    I suppose (sigh) we could further complicate the argument by stating that if it has a two-piece tailgate then it's a wagon and if it's a single door opening it's a hatch.

    However, this only works for passenger cars, not SUVs.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,669
    edited July 2016
    lostwrench1 said:

    1967 Olds Cutlass.

    Ok, Pop Quiz..........
    Olds 442
    4=?
    4=?
    2=?

    4=Four on the floor
    4=Four barrel carburetor
    2=Two doors (?)

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,733
    I have heard several explanations for 442. One such definition was the 2=posi rear.

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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,595
    It would be fun to have all of the supposed meanings. My understanding is that by '67 when it had the 400 c.i. engine and an available automatic it was interpreted as 4=400 c.i., 4=4 barrel carb, 2= dual exhaust

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