Hello, I need an honest opinion/comparison on my next car purchase. I currently drive 2010 Subaru Forester premium. I plan to upgrade this year or , at very least , begining of next year. My 2 main choices are: A 2020 Forester Sport OR A 2020 RAV4 hybrid LE. The price wise they are almost the same But I can not make a desicion between. I like Subaru, my 2010 has been almost bulletproof for all 10 years and 158k miles. It is still in a decent shape but as a 10yo car it starting to become not as reliable as I prefere. I drive over 80miles a day so want a Little better reliability , otherwise I would keep it for another 5 or so years. A straight comparison put my 2 choices almost head to head but... Toyota has 2 main things going for it. 1. A better mileage , as I am looking for hybrid 2. The dealership and service department is very close to my home. Much easier maintanace and services.
My Subaru dealer is about 15-20 min away so scheduling service and such is more hustle. But Forester has better visibility over all and much bigger doors to get in/out More headroom. And higher clearance as well, not that I do much off-roading, but even in town I find better clearance helps on occasion. So give me your take on this.
I'll be looking at those two in a year or so, along with the CX-5. Right now I'm leaning towards the Rav4, I currently drive a hybrid, and even though gas prices are low I like the low gas cost and great range between fillups. You're driving lots of miles, so that's another reason to go for the hybrid.
But a long test drive is needed in both, to see if each is comfortable for you.
Just a thought... if most of your commute is highway, are you really saving that much with the Hybrid? Seems the biggest advantage of hybrids is in city driving.
No kyfdx, you are thinking in terms of older hybrids. New ones are more about mpg rather than only ev range . I'm older hybrids it was like you had a battery and how long you can drive in ev mode before switching to ICE. New hybrids are always5 drive in ev mode or a combination ice+ev At least Toyota hybrids. That is latest RAV4 always AWD. The ice provides boost to the electric motor in front and power to electric motor in the back. Totally different setup comparing to hybrids 10 years ago. Even with ice it still gets 40+ mpg And the new prime trim rated at 90+ mpg But it is too costly for me.
Texesas, I test drove Forester. I had a loaner for 2 days. It does not difer much from my current 2010. A bit roomier, and has a bunch of new safety features which I like, but over all not that different. Now RAV4 I still need to do test drive but I will do this closer to then I am ready to buy of course.
No kyfdx, you are thinking in terms of older hybrids. New ones are more about mpg rather than only ev range . I'm older hybrids it was like you had a battery and how long you can drive in ev mode before switching to ICE. New hybrids are always5 drive in ev mode or a combination ice+ev At least Toyota hybrids. That is latest RAV4 always AWD. The ice provides boost to the electric motor in front and power to electric motor in the back. Totally different setup comparing to hybrids 10 years ago. Even with ice it still gets 40+ mpg And the new prime trim rated at 90+ mpg But it is too costly for me.
Texesas, I test drove Forester. I had a loaner for 2 days. It does not difer much from my current 2010. A bit roomier, and has a bunch of new safety features which I like, but over all not that different. Now RAV4 I still need to do test drive but I will do this closer to then I am ready to buy of course.
I looked at CR-V but point by point CR-V gives me nothing over Subaru. The dealership is not overly convinient. It closer, a little, but not very convenient to get to as Toyota. Mileage is less than Toyota Warranty is also less. So no much of an advantage. Price wise it is only a few hundreds less so no help there.
I think the desicion is between Toyota and Subaru unless something changes.
I don't see it as an economic purchase. The hybrid version of the Rav4 is faster and smoother than the regular one, according to the reviews/tests, in addition to less gas and better range. I don't look for a return on the electronics on my cars, for example. Also, I bet some of the OP's commute will be more stop and go ('city') than 'highway'.
Well the new Forester has same specs If am not going hybrid , I might as well stay with Subaru. And price wise, the ice RAV4 AWD Is only 1k less than hybrid. I might as well get the benefits of hybrid for that 1k.
I don't see it as an economic purchase. The hybrid version of the Rav4 is faster and smoother than the regular one, according to the reviews/tests, in addition to less gas and better range. I don't look for a return on the electronics on my cars, for example. Also, I bet some of the OP's commute will be more stop and go ('city') than 'highway'.
In fact most of my commute is highway. Very Little City driving except on weekend's. I am driving from Bergen county to Warren county. 30 miles on GSP and 10 on rt78. One way. Adjust a few miles here and there.
Hello, I need an honest opinion/comparison on my next car purchase. I currently drive 2010 Subaru Forester premium. I plan to upgrade this year or , at very least , begining of next year. My 2 main choices are: A 2020 Forester Sport OR A 2020 RAV4 hybrid LE. The price wise they are almost the same But I can not make a desicion between. I like Subaru, my 2010 has been almost bulletproof for all 10 years and 158k miles. It is still in a decent shape but as a 10yo car it starting to become not as reliable as I prefere. I drive over 80miles a day so want a Little better reliability , otherwise I would keep it for another 5 or so years. A straight comparison put my 2 choices almost head to head but... Toyota has 2 main things going for it. 1. A better mileage , as I am looking for hybrid 2. The dealership and service department is very close to my home. Much easier maintanace and services.
My Subaru dealer is about 15-20 min away so scheduling service and such is more hustle. But Forester has better visibility over all and much bigger doors to get in/out More headroom. And higher clearance as well, not that I do much off-roading, but even in town I find better clearance helps on occasion. So give me your take on this.
Thanks.
Toyota's long-term reliability ratings are better than Subaru, Honda, etc.
Sorry walt501 , but I simply can not afford that. I would love to buy American only. And when I can I do, but no American made SUV of the same class and price range last as long as suby or Toyota. Imperically evident buy numerouse issues encountared by many of my friends and colleagues over the years.
My 2017 Jetta GLI lease will be ending November 2020. Payoff amount as of today is $17,314.80
Per Edmunds.com Dealer retail value is $18,381 Private party $15,757 Trade in value $13,351
My monthly payments are $406 and I’m comfortable with that.
Here’s the order of what I would LIKE to do: 1. Used Golf R 2. Used GTI 3. New Jetta GL 4. Atlas 5. Keep the Jetta
I feel like the best thing would be to keep the Jetta.
Like I mentioned, I’m comfortable with my $406 payments, but would love to pay less. It will probably be difficult to get a lower car payment without putting a good down payment.
Another note, I am already over miles. I have 39,xxx...my commute is 50 miles a day round trip. I should decide soon, so I know if I should purchase more miles at a lower rate.
My 2017 Jetta GLI lease will be ending November 2020. Payoff amount as of today is $17,314.80
Per Edmunds.com Dealer retail value is $18,381 Private party $15,757 Trade in value $13,351
My monthly payments are $406 and I’m comfortable with that.
Here’s the order of what I would LIKE to do: 1. Used Golf R 2. Used GTI 3. New Jetta GL 4. Atlas 5. Keep the Jetta
I feel like the best thing would be to keep the Jetta.
Like I mentioned, I’m comfortable with my $406 payments, but would love to pay less. It will probably be difficult to get a lower car payment without putting a good down payment.
Another note, I am already over miles. I have 39,xxx...my commute is 50 miles a day round trip. I should decide soon, so I know if I should purchase more miles at a lower rate.
Suggestions? Thanks
$400/mo for a Jetta is nuts. I pay less than that for a $42k vehicle. How many miles was your original term? Current trade is $15k-$15,250, so edmunds isn't too far off. That would put fair retail at about $17.5k-$18k. In other words, your payoff isn't anything great. It is just about right.
Here is the rub, finance that $17k over 48 mos and you'll be right there at that $400 number, BUT you'll be paying for a used car soon to be out of warranty, not to mention having essentially financed the car over 7 years.
Do some research on leases (read leashackr ... google it), and get yourself into another lease with 15k/yr for quite a bit less ... and don't put anything down!
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Buying miles is usually cheaper, BTW. For example, your current payment of $400/mo for 1k miles per month is 40 cents per mile. If the extra miles cost you 25 cents each, you are making out.
You could look to see the current deals and if you could swap early. Unfortunately, your excess miles, remaining payments, and termination fee would add approx $80/mo to the next lease. But I suppose maybe that looks better than the $650/mo or so over the next 4 mos to cover your current payment plus miles. It is a close call, depending how you look at it.
You might want to see what Carvana and Vroom would pay for it. POSSIBLY, if you get a strong offer from one of them, you could get out now for under $2k out of pocket, which would be your cheapest overall solution.
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I am the original owner of a 2007 Camry whose exhaust just fell out. Sounds like a rocket ship. In addition, leaks oil from both valve cover, pan. Brakes squeak. Time to get a new car! Need suggestions. Must have
Blind Spot Monitor
Android Auto
Remote Start
Smart Key
Reliable Brand
Less than 30k out the door in NJ
New car. Not preowned.
Nice to have
Wireless Android Auto
Hybrid
2021 Model
I priced out a 2021 Honda Accord Hybrid with Costco auto that I think meets all of the above criteria but it was $29,400 + tax, tags. I don't want to go above 30k. Suggestions?
I am the original owner of a 2007 Camry whose exhaust just fell out. Sounds like a rocket ship. In addition, leaks oil from both valve cover, pan. Brakes squeak. Time to get a new car! Need suggestions. Must have
Blind Spot Monitor
Android Auto
Remote Start
Smart Key
Reliable Brand
Less than 30k out the door in NJ
New car. Not preowned.
Nice to have
Wireless Android Auto
Hybrid
2021 Model
I priced out a 2021 Honda Accord Hybrid with Costco auto that I think meets all of the above criteria but it was $29,400 + tax, tags. I don't want to go above 30k. Suggestions?
Ok, need some advice. Best offer on 2020 Accord EX non-hybrid is $25,100 plus tax and tags. Best offer on 2021 Accord EX hybrid is $29,400 plus tax and tags. Best offer on 2020 Camry Hybrid XLE is $28,951 plus tax and tags.
What should I do? Should I wait another week? Will prices get better closer to December 31st?
Corolla is a great value but too small for my family of 4.
I am the original owner of a 2007 Camry whose exhaust just fell out. Sounds like a rocket ship. In addition, leaks oil from both valve cover, pan. Brakes squeak. Time to get a new car! Need suggestions. Must have
Blind Spot Monitor
Android Auto
Remote Start
Smart Key
Reliable Brand
Less than 30k out the door in NJ
New car. Not preowned.
Nice to have
Wireless Android Auto
Hybrid
2021 Model
I priced out a 2021 Honda Accord Hybrid with Costco auto that I think meets all of the above criteria but it was $29,400 + tax, tags. I don't want to go above 30k. Suggestions?
Ok, need some advice. Best offer on 2020 Accord EX non-hybrid is $25,100 plus tax and tags. Best offer on 2021 Accord EX hybrid is $29,400 plus tax and tags. Best offer on 2020 Camry Hybrid XLE is $28,951 plus tax and tags.
What should I do? Should I wait another week? Will prices get better closer to December 31st?
Corolla is a great value but too small for my family of 4.
The week between Christmas and New Years is usually the best time of year to shop.
I am the original owner of a 2007 Camry whose exhaust just fell out. Sounds like a rocket ship. In addition, leaks oil from both valve cover, pan. Brakes squeak. Time to get a new car! Need suggestions. Must have
Blind Spot Monitor
Android Auto
Remote Start
Smart Key
Reliable Brand
Less than 30k out the door in NJ
New car. Not preowned.
Nice to have
Wireless Android Auto
Hybrid
2021 Model
I priced out a 2021 Honda Accord Hybrid with Costco auto that I think meets all of the above criteria but it was $29,400 + tax, tags. I don't want to go above 30k. Suggestions?
Ok, need some advice. Best offer on 2020 Accord EX non-hybrid is $25,100 plus tax and tags. Best offer on 2021 Accord EX hybrid is $29,400 plus tax and tags. Best offer on 2020 Camry Hybrid XLE is $28,951 plus tax and tags.
What should I do? Should I wait another week? Will prices get better closer to December 31st?
Corolla is a great value but too small for my family of 4.
I am looking at buying a used Nissan Altima, Hyundai Sonata or Kia Optima. Roughly around 3 or 4 years old. I am having trouble comparing because lots of specs have changed over the last several years on all 3. So it's hard to compare, say, a 2017 Sonata with a 2019 Altima or a 2018 Optima. I have to set up basically 12 or more comparisons to really cover everything in this group of choices. Is there an easier way to do this?
Basically I am looking for the most reliable of these 3 with great mileage and good repair ratings. I'm choosing among these because it has to have a minimum 45" leg room in the front, but not be a truck. I haven't test driven any but the Altima. So I am feeling a bit overwhelmed about choosing. My Honda Civic has 179000 miles on it so I am anxious to do something soon. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have. (cross posted with permission from a moderator.)
I am looking at buying a used Nissan Altima, Hyundai Sonata or Kia Optima. Roughly around 3 or 4 years old. I am having trouble comparing because lots of specs have changed over the last several years on all 3. So it's hard to compare, say, a 2017 Sonata with a 2019 Altima or a 2018 Optima. I have to set up basically 12 or more comparisons to really cover everything in this group of choices. Is there an easier way to do this?
Basically I am looking for the most reliable of these 3 with great mileage and good repair ratings. I'm choosing among these because it has to have a minimum 45" leg room in the front, but not be a truck. I haven't test driven any but the Altima. So I am feeling a bit overwhelmed about choosing. My Honda Civic has 179000 miles on it so I am anxious to do something soon. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have. (cross posted with permission from a moderator.)
If long-term reliability is your concern, buy a Toyota.
KamCottage, these 3 all have similar MPG and reliability, but I'd favor the Sonata and Optima if only because they don't have a CVT, plus the 2015+ Sonata and 2016+ Optima are newer designs than the pre-2019 Altima. If you can afford the 2019+ Altima, that's a very nice car.
I think you need to figure out what else is important to you. Be sure to drive all of them, see if you have a preference. I've driven all of them, the Altima and Sonata for a lot of miles as long-distance rentals, and they were all OK by me with excellent fuel economy for a large-ish car. If money is a factor, you can probably get a 3-4 year old Sonata or Optima for less than a similar vintage Altima. Also if you get a CPO Sonata and Optima, you get the 10-year powertrain warranty.
(A plus for the 3 cars you're looking at is that they offer at least 45" of front leg room, which you said you need, vs. more like 42" for the Camry of 3-4 years ago.)
KamCottage, these 3 all have similar MPG and reliability, but I'd favor the Sonata and Optima if only because they don't have a CVT, plus the 2015+ Sonata and 2016+ Optima are newer designs than the pre-2019 Altima. If you can afford the 2019+ Altima, that's a very nice car.
I think you need to figure out what else is important to you. Be sure to drive all of them, see if you have a preference. I've driven all of them, the Altima and Sonata for a lot of miles as long-distance rentals, and they were all OK by me with excellent fuel economy for a large-ish car. If money is a factor, you can probably get a 3-4 year old Sonata or Optima for less than a similar vintage Altima. Also if you get a CPO Sonata and Optima, you get the 10-year powertrain warranty.
(A plus for the 3 cars you're looking at is that they offer at least 45" of front leg room, which you said you need, vs. more like 42" for the Camry of 3-4 years ago.)
Thank you backy. Since I first posted this question, I've come to realize, as mcdawgg said above, that I want a Toyota or Honda because of the reliability. I am just so damn used to longevity in all my cars that I think anything less would make me unhappy in the long run. I don't have the patience or money to repair stuff anymore than I have to... and since I have driven beaters into the ground, I don't care about aesthetics as much as durability. That said if no Toyota or Honda is a good fit for the husband than we will look at an Optima CPO. We're heading to Carmax today to just get in a bunch of cars and see what kind of room there is in the front driver seat for him, 6 foot 4, and me who will be the main driver.
KamCottage, these 3 all have similar MPG and reliability, but I'd favor the Sonata and Optima if only because they don't have a CVT, plus the 2015+ Sonata and 2016+ Optima are newer designs than the pre-2019 Altima. If you can afford the 2019+ Altima, that's a very nice car.
I think you need to figure out what else is important to you. Be sure to drive all of them, see if you have a preference. I've driven all of them, the Altima and Sonata for a lot of miles as long-distance rentals, and they were all OK by me with excellent fuel economy for a large-ish car. If money is a factor, you can probably get a 3-4 year old Sonata or Optima for less than a similar vintage Altima. Also if you get a CPO Sonata and Optima, you get the 10-year powertrain warranty.
(A plus for the 3 cars you're looking at is that they offer at least 45" of front leg room, which you said you need, vs. more like 42" for the Camry of 3-4 years ago.)
Thank you backy. Since I first posted this question, I've come to realize, as mcdawgg said above, that I want a Toyota or Honda because of the reliability. I am just so damn used to longevity in all my cars that I think anything less would make me unhappy in the long run. I don't have the patience or money to repair stuff anymore than I have to... and since I have driven beaters into the ground, I don't care about aesthetics as much as durability. That said if no Toyota or Honda is a good fit for the husband than we will look at an Optima CPO. We're heading to Carmax today to just get in a bunch of cars and see what kind of room there is in the front driver seat for him, 6 foot 4, and me who will be the main driver.
Hands down, Toyota if the best long-term reliability is your main goal. Well, Lexus, but it's just a more fancy Toyota. Honda is stiil good, but not as good as Toyota, especially since 2016.
KamCottage, these 3 all have similar MPG and reliability, but I'd favor the Sonata and Optima if only because they don't have a CVT, plus the 2015+ Sonata and 2016+ Optima are newer designs than the pre-2019 Altima. If you can afford the 2019+ Altima, that's a very nice car.
I think you need to figure out what else is important to you. Be sure to drive all of them, see if you have a preference. I've driven all of them, the Altima and Sonata for a lot of miles as long-distance rentals, and they were all OK by me with excellent fuel economy for a large-ish car. If money is a factor, you can probably get a 3-4 year old Sonata or Optima for less than a similar vintage Altima. Also if you get a CPO Sonata and Optima, you get the 10-year powertrain warranty.
(A plus for the 3 cars you're looking at is that they offer at least 45" of front leg room, which you said you need, vs. more like 42" for the Camry of 3-4 years ago.)
Thank you backy. Since I first posted this question, I've come to realize, as mcdawgg said above, that I want a Toyota or Honda because of the reliability. I am just so damn used to longevity in all my cars that I think anything less would make me unhappy in the long run. I don't have the patience or money to repair stuff anymore than I have to... and since I have driven beaters into the ground, I don't care about aesthetics as much as durability. That said if no Toyota or Honda is a good fit for the husband than we will look at an Optima CPO. We're heading to Carmax today to just get in a bunch of cars and see what kind of room there is in the front driver seat for him, 6 foot 4, and me who will be the main driver.
Hands down, Toyota if the best long-term reliability is your main goal. Well, Lexus, but it's just a more fancy Toyota. Honda is stiil good, but not as good as Toyota, especially since 2016.
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KamCottage, these 3 all have similar MPG and reliability, but I'd favor the Sonata and Optima if only because they don't have a CVT, plus the 2015+ Sonata and 2016+ Optima are newer designs than the pre-2019 Altima. If you can afford the 2019+ Altima, that's a very nice car.
I think you need to figure out what else is important to you. Be sure to drive all of them, see if you have a preference. I've driven all of them, the Altima and Sonata for a lot of miles as long-distance rentals, and they were all OK by me with excellent fuel economy for a large-ish car. If money is a factor, you can probably get a 3-4 year old Sonata or Optima for less than a similar vintage Altima. Also if you get a CPO Sonata and Optima, you get the 10-year powertrain warranty.
(A plus for the 3 cars you're looking at is that they offer at least 45" of front leg room, which you said you need, vs. more like 42" for the Camry of 3-4 years ago.)
Thank you backy. Since I first posted this question, I've come to realize, as mcdawgg said above, that I want a Toyota or Honda because of the reliability. I am just so damn used to longevity in all my cars that I think anything less would make me unhappy in the long run. I don't have the patience or money to repair stuff anymore than I have to... and since I have driven beaters into the ground, I don't care about aesthetics as much as durability. That said if no Toyota or Honda is a good fit for the husband than we will look at an Optima CPO. We're heading to Carmax today to just get in a bunch of cars and see what kind of room there is in the front driver seat for him, 6 foot 4, and me who will be the main driver.
Hands down, Toyota if the best long-term reliability is your main goal. Well, Lexus, but it's just a more fancy Toyota. Honda is stiil good, but not as good as Toyota, especially since 2016.
I can't view the results, of course. I'm curious to know if they state how many of a particular brand they were able to survey. In their FAQ, they say an average of 200-300 per model per year x20 yrs. They received 329,000 in 2020. That would break down to 66 models. Honda and Toyota alone have 28 (not counting submodels like Prius Prime or Accord Hybrid).
What can I say? I'm a stats guy. It makes me curious. On the surface, it would seem even CR's data is extremely limited. I mean, how many responses did they get for, say, the Optima? Probably a few. What about less common vehicles? Like maybe the Ghibli? Stelvio? You get what I mean.
I've also mentioned many times before, IMHO, CR is for appliance people, so it will skew toward appliance vehicles since they only survey their subscribers. I would think they have a very low subscriber base who are Jaguar owners, for example.
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I can't view the results, of course. I'm curious to know if they state how many of a particular brand they were able to survey. In their FAQ, they say an average of 200-300 per model per year x20 yrs. They received 329,000 in 2020. That would break down to 66 models. Honda and Toyota alone have 28 (not counting submodels like Prius Prime or Accord Hybrid).
What can I say? I'm a stats guy. It makes me curious. On the surface, it would seem even CR's data is extremely limited. I mean, how many responses did they get for, say, the Optima? Probably a few. What about less common vehicles? Like maybe the Ghibli? Stelvio? You get what I mean.
I've also mentioned many times before, IMHO, CR is for appliance people, so it will skew toward appliance vehicles since they only survey their subscribers. I would think they have a very low subscriber base who are Jaguar owners, for example.
I'll guess they survey more Accord owners than all Jaguar models combined. How are you ever going to get meaningful data from a make that sells so few cars?
Name one other organization that actually compiles data or surveys, long term. I don't think there are any.
It's fashionable to crap on Consumer Reports, but they have science on their side, unlike others, such as JD Power that just exist to sell advertising. And, they are open about it. Even without a subscription, you found out they surveyed 329K owners, just last year.
I haven't subscribed in a long time, but they've been doing it for over 50 years. Of course, you could always ask the salesperson at the dealership..
I'll guess they survey more Accord owners than all Jaguar models combined. How are you ever going to get meaningful data from a make that sells so few cars?
Name one other organization that actually compiles data or surveys, long term. I don't think there are any.
Oh, you can't. But that's my point when folks throw old thinking around like "Honda and Toyota are the only reliable cars." It just isn't that simple. I would say HyunKia are just as reliable these days. Do I have proof? Nope. But nobody has proof to say otherwise. That's all I'm getting at.
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I'll guess they survey more Accord owners than all Jaguar models combined. How are you ever going to get meaningful data from a make that sells so few cars?
Name one other organization that actually compiles data or surveys, long term. I don't think there are any.
Oh, you can't. But that's my point when folks throw old thinking around like "Honda and Toyota are the only reliable cars." It just isn't that simple. I would say HyunKia are just as reliable these days. Do I have proof? Nope. But nobody has proof to say otherwise. That's all I'm getting at.
I bet CR has a lot of surveys on those two makes. You might be right, and they could probably back it up.
Thank you backy. Since I first posted this question, I've come to realize, as mcdawgg said above, that I want a Toyota or Honda because of the reliability. I am just so damn used to longevity in all my cars that I think anything less would make me unhappy in the long run. I don't have the patience or money to repair stuff anymore than I have to... and since I have driven beaters into the ground, I don't care about aesthetics as much as durability. That said if no Toyota or Honda is a good fit for the husband than we will look at an Optima CPO. We're heading to Carmax today to just get in a bunch of cars and see what kind of room there is in the front driver seat for him, 6 foot 4, and me who will be the main driver.
Did you get a car yet? If not and are still considering the Optima, JD Power just ranked the 2018 Optima the #1 mid-sized car in its latest Vehicle Dependability Study. And Kia was the highest-ranked mass-market brand overall, behind only Lexus and Porsche. FYI the 2018 Sonata was the #2 mid-sized car.
I am doing major research in trying to find my new car, which I am more leaning towards an SUV. Since I recently moved to Washington state and having to deal with snow, I will need a car that I can drive in snow without issues. I am also looking for somewhat good mileage and really good cargo space. I have only three cars I'm looking for that I am interested in which are the Subaru Outback, Toyota RAV4 hybrid, and the Subaru Forester. Which of these would you all recommend or if there are any others that sound just as good. The optimal price range is below $35,000.
I am doing major research in trying to find my new car, which I am more leaning towards an SUV. Since I recently moved to Washington state and having to deal with snow, I will need a car that I can drive in snow without issues. I am also looking for somewhat good mileage and really good cargo space. I have only three cars I'm looking for that I am interested in which are the Subaru Outback, Toyota RAV4 hybrid, and the Subaru Forester. Which of these would you all recommend or if there are any others that sound just as good. The optimal price range is below $35,000.
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I currently drive 2010 Subaru Forester premium. I plan to upgrade this year or , at very least , begining of next year.
My 2 main choices are:
A 2020 Forester Sport
OR
A 2020 RAV4 hybrid LE.
The price wise they are almost the same
But I can not make a desicion between.
I like Subaru, my 2010 has been almost bulletproof for all 10 years and 158k miles. It is still in a decent shape but as a 10yo car it starting to become not as reliable as I prefere. I drive over 80miles a day so want a Little better reliability , otherwise I would keep it for another 5 or so years.
A straight comparison put my 2 choices almost head to head but...
Toyota has 2 main things going for it.
1. A better mileage , as I am looking for hybrid
2. The dealership and service department is very close to my home. Much easier maintanace and services.
My Subaru dealer is about 15-20 min away so scheduling service and such is more hustle.
But Forester has better visibility over all and much bigger doors to get in/out
More headroom.
And higher clearance as well, not that I do much off-roading, but even in town I find better clearance helps on occasion.
So give me your take on this.
Thanks.
But a long test drive is needed in both, to see if each is comfortable for you.
Seems the biggest advantage of hybrids is in city driving.
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I'm older hybrids it was like you had a battery and how long you can drive in ev mode before switching to ICE.
New hybrids are always5 drive in ev mode or a combination ice+ev
At least Toyota hybrids.
That is latest RAV4 always AWD. The ice provides boost to the electric motor in front and power to electric motor in the back. Totally different setup comparing to hybrids 10 years ago.
Even with ice it still gets 40+ mpg
And the new prime trim rated at 90+ mpg
But it is too costly for me.
Texesas, I test drove Forester. I had a loaner for 2 days. It does not difer much from my current 2010. A bit roomier, and has a bunch of new safety features which I like, but over all not that different.
Now RAV4 I still need to do test drive but I will do this closer to then I am ready to buy of course.
I'm personally not a fan of Honda hybrids, they've had problems with them over the years. Maybe they got it right, now?
The dealership is not overly convinient.
It closer, a little, but not very convenient to get to as Toyota.
Mileage is less than Toyota
Warranty is also less.
So no much of an advantage.
Price wise it is only a few hundreds less so no help there.
I think the desicion is between Toyota and Subaru unless something changes.
2020 Rav4 Gas: 26 city/ 35 hwy
That's what I meant by the hybrid not being that big of an advantage in highway mileage. 3 MPG.
Those are the official EPA estimates.
55 gallon difference for every 25K miles.
$10/mo. in fuel cost savings.
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If am not going hybrid , I might as well stay with Subaru.
And price wise, the ice RAV4 AWD
Is only 1k less than hybrid.
I might as well get the benefits of hybrid for that 1k.
Very Little City driving except on weekend's.
I am driving from Bergen county to Warren county. 30 miles on GSP and 10 on rt78. One way. Adjust a few miles here and there.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Imperically evident buy numerouse issues encountared by many of my friends and colleagues over the years.
Payoff amount as of today is $17,314.80
Per Edmunds.com Dealer retail value is $18,381 Private party $15,757 Trade in value $13,351
My monthly payments are $406 and I’m comfortable with that.
Here’s the order of what I would LIKE to do:
1. Used Golf R
2. Used GTI
3. New Jetta GL
4. Atlas
5. Keep the Jetta
I feel like the best thing would be to keep the Jetta.
Like I mentioned, I’m comfortable with my $406 payments, but would love to pay less. It will probably be difficult to get a lower car payment without putting a good down payment.
Another note, I am already over miles. I have 39,xxx...my commute is 50 miles a day round trip. I should decide soon, so I know if I should purchase more miles at a lower rate.
Suggestions?
Thanks
How many miles was your original term? Current trade is $15k-$15,250, so edmunds isn't too far off. That would put fair retail at about $17.5k-$18k. In other words, your payoff isn't anything great. It is just about right.
Here is the rub, finance that $17k over 48 mos and you'll be right there at that $400 number, BUT you'll be paying for a used car soon to be out of warranty, not to mention having essentially financed the car over 7 years.
Do some research on leases (read leashackr ... google it), and get yourself into another lease with 15k/yr for quite a bit less ... and don't put anything down!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
36k miles for my original term.
I know I’m not in a good position, that’s why I came here...
You could look to see the current deals and if you could swap early. Unfortunately, your excess miles, remaining payments, and termination fee would add approx $80/mo to the next lease. But I suppose maybe that looks better than the $650/mo or so over the next 4 mos to cover your current payment plus miles. It is a close call, depending how you look at it.
You might want to see what Carvana and Vroom would pay for it. POSSIBLY, if you get a strong offer from one of them, you could get out now for under $2k out of pocket, which would be your cheapest overall solution.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Must have
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Android Auto
- Remote Start
- Smart Key
- Reliable Brand
- Less than 30k out the door in NJ
- New car. Not preowned.
Nice to have- Wireless Android Auto
- Hybrid
- 2021 Model
I priced out a 2021 Honda Accord Hybrid with Costco auto that I think meets all of the above criteria but it was $29,400 + tax, tags. I don't want to go above 30k.Suggestions?
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What should I do? Should I wait another week? Will prices get better closer to December 31st?
Corolla is a great value but too small for my family of 4.
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Basically I am looking for the most reliable of these 3 with great mileage and good repair ratings. I'm choosing among these because it has to have a minimum 45" leg room in the front, but not be a truck. I haven't test driven any but the Altima. So I am feeling a bit overwhelmed about choosing. My Honda Civic has 179000 miles on it so I am anxious to do something soon. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have. (cross posted with permission from a moderator.)
I think you need to figure out what else is important to you. Be sure to drive all of them, see if you have a preference. I've driven all of them, the Altima and Sonata for a lot of miles as long-distance rentals, and they were all OK by me with excellent fuel economy for a large-ish car. If money is a factor, you can probably get a 3-4 year old Sonata or Optima for less than a similar vintage Altima. Also if you get a CPO Sonata and Optima, you get the 10-year powertrain warranty.
(A plus for the 3 cars you're looking at is that they offer at least 45" of front leg room, which you said you need, vs. more like 42" for the Camry of 3-4 years ago.)
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Here is JDP dependability, for example Genesis is #1.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2020/02/12/new-cars-jd-power-2020-vehicle-dependability-study-trucks-suvs/4722896002/
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
It is actually what it says it is.
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https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/how-asian-domestic-european-automakers-rank-for-car-reliability/
I can't view the results, of course. I'm curious to know if they state how many of a particular brand they were able to survey. In their FAQ, they say an average of 200-300 per model per year x20 yrs. They received 329,000 in 2020. That would break down to 66 models. Honda and Toyota alone have 28 (not counting submodels like Prius Prime or Accord Hybrid).
What can I say? I'm a stats guy. It makes me curious. On the surface, it would seem even CR's data is extremely limited. I mean, how many responses did they get for, say, the Optima? Probably a few. What about less common vehicles? Like maybe the Ghibli? Stelvio? You get what I mean.
I've also mentioned many times before, IMHO, CR is for appliance people, so it will skew toward appliance vehicles since they only survey their subscribers. I would think they have a very low subscriber base who are Jaguar owners, for example.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
How are you ever going to get meaningful data from a make that sells so few cars?
Name one other organization that actually compiles data or surveys, long term. I don't think there are any.
It's fashionable to crap on Consumer Reports, but they have science on their side, unlike others, such as JD Power that just exist to sell advertising. And, they are open about it. Even without a subscription, you found out they surveyed 329K owners, just last year.
I haven't subscribed in a long time, but they've been doing it for over 50 years. Of course, you could always ask the salesperson at the dealership..
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https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2021-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds