2016 BMW 3-series Lease Questions

piokor06

I'm about to pull the trigger on this lease, but I'd love some feedback.

2016 340i M-Sport + Track Handling
36m/12k
MSRP: 59,875.00
Selling Price: 55,258.00 (750 below invoice)
Tax: 4,035.29
Fees: 405.27 (Doc Fee 169.27, License 101.00, Title 95.00, CVR/Filing Fee 25.00, Vehicle Tax 15.00)
Base MF: 0.00137
Residual: 65%
7 MSDs @ 4,900.00
Monthly Payment: 651.38
Due at Signing: 5,956.65

I was a little surprised the monthly was so high, but the tax is included in that. I'm going to ask if I can just pay that upfront instead of having it rolled out. Also, I'm not sure if it matters, but I'm in Illinois.

Michaell

piokor06 said:

I'm about to pull the trigger on this lease, but I'd love some feedback.

2016 340i M-Sport + Track Handling
36m/12k
MSRP: 59,875.00
Selling Price: 55,258.00 (750 below invoice)
Tax: 4,035.29
Fees: 405.27 (Doc Fee 169.27, License 101.00, Title 95.00, CVR/Filing Fee 25.00, Vehicle Tax 15.00)
Base MF: 0.00137
Residual: 65%
7 MSDs @ 4,900.00
Monthly Payment: 651.38
Due at Signing: 5,956.65

I was a little surprised the monthly was so high, but the tax is included in that. I'm going to ask if I can just pay that upfront instead of having it rolled out. Also, I'm not sure if it matters, but I'm in Illinois.

That tax amount seems high. IL changed their laws a year or two ago and now only assess tax on the sum of the payments.

Unless you live in Cook County, then you also pay tax on the payment each month.

Yes, you can choose to pay the taxes up front to lower the monthly payment.

piokor06

This is the info I got from the dealer. I'm seeing two different tax amounts and I'm not sure how to process them.

kyfdx

piokor06 said:

This is the info I got from the dealer. I'm seeing two different tax amounts and I'm not sure how to process them.

The purchase option numbers won't be valid for a lease. (specifically, the tax)

piokor06

kyfdx said:

The purchase option numbers won't be valid for a lease. (specifically, the tax)

I see. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. So I guess my taxes are a bit lower at $1732.72. Does this look like an ok deal now?

2016 340i M-Sport + Track Handling
36m/12k
MSRP: 59,875.00
Selling Price: 55,258.00 (750 below invoice)
Tax: 1732.72
Fees: 405.27 (Doc Fee 169.27, License 101.00, Title 95.00, CVR/Filing Fee 25.00, Vehicle Tax 15.00)
Base MF: 0.00137
Residual: 65%
7 MSDs @ 4,900.00
Monthly Payment: 651.38
Due at Signing: 5,956.65

kyfdx

piokor06 said:

kyfdx said:

The purchase option numbers won't be valid for a lease. (specifically, the tax)

I see. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. So I guess my taxes are a bit lower at $1732.72. Does this look like an ok deal now?

2016 340i M-Sport + Track Handling
36m/12k
MSRP: 59,875.00
Selling Price: 55,258.00 (750 below invoice)
Tax: 1732.72
Fees: 405.27 (Doc Fee 169.27, License 101.00, Title 95.00, CVR/Filing Fee 25.00, Vehicle Tax 15.00)
Base MF: 0.00137
Residual: 65%
7 MSDs @ 4,900.00
Monthly Payment: 651.38
Due at Signing: 5,956.65

If I add tax and $925 acq.fee to your selling price, I get $613/mo. with .00088 MF.

Verify the money factor with the dealer. They might be marking it up, before giving you the MSD reduction.

piokor06

kyfdx said:

piokor06 said:

kyfdx said:

The purchase option numbers won't be valid for a lease. (specifically, the tax)

I see. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. So I guess my taxes are a bit lower at $1732.72. Does this look like an ok deal now?

2016 340i M-Sport + Track Handling
36m/12k
MSRP: 59,875.00
Selling Price: 55,258.00 (750 below invoice)
Tax: 1732.72
Fees: 405.27 (Doc Fee 169.27, License 101.00, Title 95.00, CVR/Filing Fee 25.00, Vehicle Tax 15.00)
Base MF: 0.00137
Residual: 65%
7 MSDs @ 4,900.00
Monthly Payment: 651.38
Due at Signing: 5,956.65

If I add tax and $925 acq.fee to your selling price, I get $613/mo. with .00088 MF.

Verify the money factor with the dealer. They might be marking it up, before giving you the MSD reduction.

I've asked several times about the money factor and I have been assured that it's at the reduced rate of 0.00088. I haven't seen it on paper though, but I don't think they would lie about it. I'm just confused about how they're getting the number they're getting.

I received a new number from them today after telling them I would like to play for the tax upfront and including the $1000 Recent Grad rebate. They said the monthly would be $565-576. I'm going to stop in tomorrow and go over the number and get more details than what they gave me today (attached below).

kyfdx

If they want to prove the money factor, they could give you a screenshot of the deal on their computer. Unfortunately, the actual lease contract doesn't disclose the money factor.

It's a pretty simple calculation, but not if they keep hiding the numbers.

piokor06

I did some calculations and I think the only explanation is that they are including some extra fees to the Cap Cost (possibly acquisition fee). I'll have them break it down for me when I meet with them tomorrow. I'd rather pay for it all upfront rather than having it folded in and being charged interest.

(Adjusted Cap Cost - Residual) / # months = Monthly Depreciation
(Adjusted Cap Cost + Residual) x Money Factor = Monthly Rent (aka interest)

Monthly Depreciation + Monthly rent = Monthly Payment

(54258 - 38918.75) / 36
(15339.25) / 36
426.09 = Monthly Depreciation

(54258 + 38918.75) x 0.00088
(93176.75) x 0.00088
82.00 = Monthly Rent

426.09 + 82
508.09 = Monthly Payment

Michaell

piokor06 said:

I did some calculations and I think the only explanation is that they are including some extra fees to the Cap Cost (possibly acquisition fee). I'll have them break it down for me when I meet with them tomorrow. I'd rather pay for it all upfront rather than having it folded in and being charged interest.

(Adjusted Cap Cost - Residual) / # months = Monthly Depreciation
(Adjusted Cap Cost + Residual) x Money Factor = Monthly Rent (aka interest)

Monthly Depreciation + Monthly rent = Monthly Payment

(54258 - 38918.75) / 36
(15339.25) / 36
426.09 = Monthly Depreciation

(54258 + 38918.75) x 0.00088
(93176.75) x 0.00088
82.00 = Monthly Rent

426.09 + 82
508.09 = Monthly Payment

The math is correct.

bobfrapples

I was able to get $10k off the $62k sticker price of a 2014 535 when I negotiated a lease in September 2014. Any chance I can get that type of percentage off for a 3-series now or next month as they are clearing out the model year? I got 16% off MSRP, which is much more than the typical 7% off mentioned on these boards recently.

Michaell

bobfrapples said:

I was able to get $10k off the $62k sticker price of a 2014 535 when I negotiated a lease in September 2014. Any chance I can get that type of percentage off for a 3-series now or next month as they are clearing out the model year? I got 16% off MSRP, which is much more than the typical 7% off mentioned on these boards recently.

We don't really track selling prices, and the 7% is an advisory number. If you can get more of a discount, more power to you!

dps06

Do you guys have numbers for BMW Owner's Choice program?

I have heard that the residual is the same as the leasing programs, and the finance rate is the same as the current BMW financing promotion rate.

If so, I would be interested in these for the BMW 328i for 36/10k and 24/10k

Thanks

bobfrapples

I'm looking at leasing a 3 or maybe 2 series now but the monthly payments being reported on these threads are shocking compared with the baseline I had with the 535. (M-sport, premium, etc.) for $550 including tax for 3 years 30k miles. Trying to reconcile why quoted prices are higher nowadays or if I really did negotiated better than I thought back then. 

kyfdx

dps06 said:

Do you guys have numbers for BMW Owner's Choice program?

I have heard that the residual is the same as the leasing programs, and the finance rate is the same as the current BMW financing promotion rate.

If so, I would be interested in these for the BMW 328i for 36/10k and 24/10k

Thanks

We show Owner's Choice at 3.25% APR
Select Financing at 0.90% APR
(I'd verify this with the dealer)

Residuals are the same as leasing and are 66%/72%.

kyfdx

bobfrapples said:

I'm looking at leasing a 3 or maybe 2 series now but the monthly payments being reported on these threads are shocking compared with the baseline I had with the 535. (M-sport, premium, etc.) for $550 including tax for 3 years 30k miles. Trying to reconcile why quoted prices are higher nowadays or if I really did negotiated better than I thought back then. 

Most likely, they had promotions to push the 5-series at that time (like they do now).

Plus, not everyone gets a great deal. lol

spinez18

New to this great forum. What's the MF and Residual for 2016 320i in florida. 36 months, 10k/year. Thanks for your help.

Michaell

spinez18 said:

New to this great forum. What's the MF and Residual for 2016 320i in florida. 36 months, 10k/year. Thanks for your help.

.00137 and 66%

ranajo

Hi, are there any lease credits being offered on the 2016 BMW 328i in California? I understand there is a $3000 credit being offered on the 330 and was wondering if there was anything being offered on the 328i

Thanks

Michaell

ranajo said:

Hi, are there any lease credits being offered on the 2016 BMW 328i in California? I understand there is a $3000 credit being offered on the 330 and was wondering if there was anything being offered on the 328i

Thanks

No incentives on any model other than the 330e.

dan_407

Michaell said:

spinez18 said:

New to this great forum. What's the MF and Residual for 2016 320i in florida. 36 months, 10k/year. Thanks for your help.

.00137 and 66%

Hi,
are the rates the same for any 2016 3 series? The dealer yesterday quoted me 66% for a 2016 320i @ 12k/year. Not sure if he misquoted me. What would be the MF and residual for a 340i @ 12k/yr for 36 months ? Thanks in advance !

Michaell

dan_407 said:

Michaell said:

spinez18 said:

New to this great forum. What's the MF and Residual for 2016 320i in florida. 36 months, 10k/year. Thanks for your help.

.00137 and 66%

Hi,
are the rates the same for any 2016 3 series? The dealer yesterday quoted me 66% for a 2016 320i @ 12k/year. Not sure if he misquoted me. What would be the MF and residual for a 340i @ 12k/yr for 36 months ? Thanks in advance !

All 2016 3-series have the same numbers this month...

36/12 - .00137 and 65%

asdanmainul

Hi, Can I get the MF and Residuals for 330e in CA. 36mo/15k miles. Thanks!

Michaell

asdanmainul said:

Hi, Can I get the MF and Residuals for 330e in CA. 36mo/15k miles. Thanks!

.00137 and 63%. $3000 lease credit.

bm3fan

Hi all,

I'm looking to possibly lease another 3. I'd really appreciate some help with my numbers.

For a 340i, with MSRP at 55745 and sell price at 50000, here are my calculations:

Lease terms: 36/15k; max MSDs; tire warranty of 1350 rolled in.

[50000 - (.63 x 55745)] / 36 = 413.35
[50000 + (.63 x 55745)] x .00088 = 74.91
Monthly: 488.26
Tire warranty: 1350 / 36 = 37.5
New monthly: 525.76
New monthly with tax at 9%: 573.08

Fees aren't included but I'm assuming with fees, it can't go past a max of 1500. 1500 / 36 = 41.67. With tax, 45.42.

Would the monthly be approximately 618.50 with tire warranty and all fees rolled in after taxes? This number seems low to me. I guess the inflated residual has a lot to do with it or my calculations are completely off. =T

Thank you!

bm3fan

Also is the acquistion fee the same as "destination and handling" for which BMW is charging 995 and is this fee usually rolled into the cost of the car?

I ask because piokor06 has much lower fees at approx 400, granted he/she is in another state. Still, no acquisition fee? Lucky...

Thanks!

kyfdx

@bm3fan

Anything you are rolling into the payment needs to be added to your $50K selling price, so that you are applying the money factor to it.

The acquisition fee is $925. I'd roll that in, as well.

Destination fees are part of the MSRP. Any price should include the destination fee. It's not typically a fee that you pay separately.

On another note, stick your $1350 into the bank, and pay for tire/wheel problems, as needed. That's an insurance policy and claims are likely to be a pain. Plus, it probably has a maximum payout of $5K, anyway. It's a big profit center for the dealership, and your chances of coming out ahead on that are slim.

bm3fan

kyfdx said:

@bm3fan

Anything you are rolling into the payment needs to be added to your $50K selling price, so that you are applying the money factor to it.

The acquisition fee is $925. I'd roll that in, as well.

Destination fees are part of the MSRP. Any price should include the destination fee. It's not typically a fee that you pay separately.

On another note, stick your $1350 into the bank, and pay for tire/wheel problems, as needed. That's an insurance policy and claims are likely to be a pain. Plus, it probably has a maximum payout of $5K, anyway. It's a big profit center for the dealership, and your chances of coming out ahead on that are slim.

kyfdx said:

@bm3fan

Anything you are rolling into the payment needs to be added to your $50K selling price, so that you are applying the money factor to it.

The acquisition fee is $925. I'd roll that in, as well.

Destination fees are part of the MSRP. Any price should include the destination fee. It's not typically a fee that you pay separately.

On another note, stick your $1350 into the bank, and pay for tire/wheel problems, as needed. That's an insurance policy and claims are likely to be a pain. Plus, it probably has a maximum payout of $5K, anyway. It's a big profit center for the dealership, and your chances of coming out ahead on that are slim.

Understood. Thank you.

As far as tire warranty goes, I've actually benefited quite a bit from the warranty. Since BMW has run flats and I'm prone to getting nails in tires, the $50 deductible per visit (no tire limit) has been quite helpful especially when each tire runs about 400. And each time, it's been headache-less. Additionally, I get to save miles when I leave my car at the shop since I am on a lease. =P But definitely not worth it if you don't get nails at all.

begin486

How's the 2017 lease numbers compare to the 2016?  Looking at 2016 328i vs. the 2017 330i for a 36/12 in Atanta, GA. 

kyfdx

begin486 said:

How's the 2017 lease numbers compare to the 2016?  Looking at 2016 328i vs. the 2017 330i for a 36/12 in Atanta, GA. 

.00137 MF

2016: 65% residual
2017: 59% residual

begin486

I am in the midst of negotiating a lease and had a question regarding the money factor, the corporate fleet program, and MSDs. As I understand it, the corporate fleet program would reduce my money factor by .0002. Additionally, maximum MSDs would bring my rate down .00049 (7 x .00007), which if combined would bring rate from .00137 to .00068. However, the dealership is telling me that the minimum the money factor can be reduced to is .00088. Can anyone confirm this for me?

kyfdx

begin486 said:

I am in the midst of negotiating a lease and had a question regarding the money factor, the corporate fleet program, and MSDs. As I understand it, the corporate fleet program would reduce my money factor by .0002. Additionally, maximum MSDs would bring my rate down .00049 (7 x .00007), which if combined would bring rate from .00137 to .00068. However, the dealership is telling me that the minimum the money factor can be reduced to is .00088. Can anyone confirm this for me?

Either they aren't giving you the corporate rate, or they are, but marking up the MF, before applying the discount. (taking your discount for themselves, as it were).

koachkoon

Are NJ, CT or NY offering any lease credit or incentives?

Michaell

koachkoon said:

Are NJ, CT or NY offering any lease credit or incentives?

None that we're aware of.

aronchim

begin486 said:

I am in the midst of negotiating a lease and had a question regarding the money factor, the corporate fleet program, and MSDs. As I understand it, the corporate fleet program would reduce my money factor by .0002. Additionally, maximum MSDs would bring my rate down .00049 (7 x .00007), which if combined would bring rate from .00137 to .00068. However, the dealership is telling me that the minimum the money factor can be reduced to is .00088. Can anyone confirm this for me?

Top credit + max MSD + corporate fleet has to bring you to .00068. Can confirm that this is the case.

kobes5rings

First time lease so a thanks for all this info. Looking for Residual & MF for a 2016 CPO 328i xDrive. And do I calculate off of price I'm settling on now or an earlier price as it's got about 9k already on it?

kyfdx

kobes5rings said:

First time lease so a thanks for all this info. Looking for Residual & MF for a 2016 CPO 328i xDrive. And do I calculate off of price I'm settling on now or an earlier price as it's got about 9k already on it?

If it's a demo/loaner car, then .00137 MF and 63% residual for 36/15.
Then subtract $0.25/mi. from the residual.

If it's a used car, then I don't have the numbers.

antons911

Hello,
do you have mf and rv for 328i gt?
also, any idea on 2017 mf rv?

thanks Anton 

kyfdx

antons911 said:

Hello,
do you have mf and rv for 328i gt?
also, any idea on 2017 mf rv?

thanks Anton 

.00137 MF and 63% residual for 36/15.

2017: .00137 MF and 57% residual

flyer89

Hello newbie here,

Looking for your expert opinions on this deal, is the number seem alright? Could I go lower?

2016 328 (demo) with 13k miles already
36m/10k
MSRP: $49145
Net cap cost: $38959
Base MF: 0.00137
Residual: 66%
Monthly Payment: $397.37

Would this be a good deal? Should I take this deal in a heart beat? Or I can get it a little bit lower?

Thank you.

kyfdx

flyer89 said:

Hello newbie here,

Looking for your expert opinions on this deal, is the number seem alright? Could I go lower?

2016 328 (demo) with 13k miles already
36m/10k
MSRP: $49145
Net cap cost: $38959
Base MF: 0.00137
Residual: 66%
Monthly Payment: $397.37

Would this be a good deal? Should I take this deal in a heart beat? Or I can get it a little bit lower?

Thank you.

I get about $365/mo.+tax, which should be close

How much is due at signing?

luizperl

Can someone please provide current MF and Residual % numbers for the following BMW models in South Florida:

2016 328i Sedan RWD

2017 330i Sedan RWD

2016 428i Grand Coupe RWD

2017 430i Grand Coupe RWD

Thanks!

Michaell

luizperl said:

Can someone please provide current MF and Residual % numbers for the following BMW models in South Florida:

2016 328i Sedan RWD

2017 330i Sedan RWD

2016 428i Grand Coupe RWD

2017 430i Grand Coupe RWD

Thanks!

.00137 MF for all

What lease term and how many miles per year?

luizperl

Thanks Michaell

Lease Term: 36 months
Mileage: 12k per year

flyer89

kyfdx said:

flyer89 said:

Hello newbie here,

Looking for your expert opinions on this deal, is the number seem alright? Could I go lower?

2016 328 (demo) with 13k miles already
36m/10k
MSRP: $49145
Net cap cost: $38959
Base MF: 0.00137
Residual: 66%
Monthly Payment: $397.37

Would this be a good deal? Should I take this deal in a heart beat? Or I can get it a little bit lower?

Thank you.

I get about $365/mo.+tax, which should be close

How much is due at signing?

I see "customer cash= $1803.88" and "min. drive off: $1763.82" so around $1.8k give or take

flyer89

And also, if I do max 7 MSD, how much would that amount run? Thank you in advance for your responses.

flyer89

Oh I see total cap reduction is $40 so maybe that is my drive off amount, a little bit confused between the three terms. (and that's why I'm here)

koachkoon

Can anyone confirm that corporate fleet provides lease cash and reduces MF by .00020 for a 3 series? Thanks.

Michaell

luizperl said:

Can someone please provide current MF and Residual % numbers for the following BMW models in South Florida:

2016 328i Sedan RWD

2017 330i Sedan RWD

2016 428i Grand Coupe RWD

2017 430i Grand Coupe RWD

Thanks!

luizperl said:

Thanks Michaell

Lease Term: 36 months
Mileage: 12k per year

2016 3-series 65%
2017 3-series 59%
2016 4-series 62%
2017 4-series 56%

Michaell

flyer89 said:

kyfdx said:

flyer89 said:

Hello newbie here,

Looking for your expert opinions on this deal, is the number seem alright? Could I go lower?

2016 328 (demo) with 13k miles already
36m/10k
MSRP: $49145
Net cap cost: $38959
Base MF: 0.00137
Residual: 66%
Monthly Payment: $397.37

Would this be a good deal? Should I take this deal in a heart beat? Or I can get it a little bit lower?

Thank you.

I get about $365/mo.+tax, which should be close

How much is due at signing?

I see "customer cash= $1803.88" and "min. drive off: $1763.82" so around $1.8k give or take

So, acquisition fee, first payment, dealer fees and DMV costs are due up front.

flyer89 said:

And also, if I do max 7 MSD, how much would that amount run? Thank you in advance for your responses.

If the monthly payment is $397/mo, then each MSD would be $400 - $2800 total.